about 260 billion bucks will still be coming in. our interest payments on that debt, $20 billion, $25 billion, will still have to go out, and we can make that, prioritize that. senator coburn tonight on why no one is saying that. he has some ideas. there is breaking news now on fox news channel. i'm shepard smith. our breaking news home. we'll get to "the five" just seconds from now. we've just gotten word from u.s. marshals service that a man with an assault-type rifle, according to the marshals service, fired 15 to 20 shots at a federal courthouse in wheeling, west virginia. here's the location right over here. this is pittsburgh, pennsylvania. and just down i-70, south and west of the city is wheeling, west virginia. here's the location. right in the heart of downtown. and here it is. this is the federal courthouse with a bank right across the street. and as i've been able to understand it, a witness says

that this only described as a white male standing by a silver car began firing off shots at the federal courthouse. sara over here has pictures of this courthouse that have come into us from google earth, right? >> that's correct. they're just coming in fromming goole earth. here's the street view. like you said, there was that bank across the street right there. >> so it's our understanding that this man is standing in this parking lot right here. and begins firing across the street. i know you've talked to some police there. >> that's correct. i talked to the police department. and what they said is that they're holding a news conference at 5:15 to talk about this. and also they said it's not an active scene at the moment. it's no longer an active shooting scene. >> it's our understanding that the gunman in this case may have been killed, rob over here has some tweets that have been coming in. what do you know? >> u.s. marshals are tweeting that the gunman with an assault-type rifle peppered the u.s. courthouse in west virginia. and he also stopped and reloaded. news partners for wtr-7 news did confirm the suspect dead. shots were fired.

as i said, outside of the courthouse. >> got it, rob, thanks. so we're continuing to monitor this. what's that? >> we just got from a user at the scene, can you see cops there, and that's pretty much it. >> so this is that same location. the bank that we were just talking about which is on this side and the federal courthouse on the other. so the good news is though he fired into this federal building, nobody inside was hurt. it's our understanding that one witness or two witnesses said they believe he might have had a target as the ymca just down the street as well. either way he's been killed. updates as we get them coming up. now on "the five" and andrea. >> thanks, shep. brand-new developments on the outrageous story that the u.s. government wasn't paying death benefits to american servicemen who have died or been killed. that's coming up next. but first at this hour, the president is meeting with elm dids from the house in the first of a series of new talks with lawmakers from both houses of congress on both sides of the aisle. finally. his approval numbers are in the

tank. a brand-new poll has him at 37%. and confidence in the president is dropping despite the fact that many in the media are in his back pocket. listen to this softball from a huffington post reporter yesterday. >> is speaker boehner willing to hold a vote, what assurances can you give to those affected by the shutdown who are concerned about an even longer impasse, and how worried are you permanently that your preferred solution to this is clean cr sfes race levels may do harm to the nation's economy and your second-term agenda? >> well, sam, you're making an important point. >> thanks, sam. no, really. thank you, sam. not exactly adversarial, huh? well, here's brit hume's take on that. >> there's a long tradition among network correspondents who cover the white house of asking presidents of both parties challenging questions. no network correspondents -- network tv correspondents were called on today. and then they went to a bunch of print journalists asked very

mild questions. >> so it is a bit strange. a lot of these mainstream outlets as well have been friendly to president obama, but he sidestepped them yesterday. smart move? >> well, i think that a lot of reporters right before a press conference, they'll talk a big game before the press conference. and they'll strut their stuff down the hallway about how they're going to ask the president this or that. then they get in the room. what i found is that even though questions can be hard-edged, they're typically fairly respectful. that type of question that you saw just there, i don't remember ever getting one kind of like that. thank you so much for asking, you know, if i would have asked that question, i would have just asked it in that way. >> in fact, i did ask that question. thank you for reading it. >> i just love it. i think that reporters are somewhat intimidated when the president comes in the room. i don't understand why, in the sixth year of a presidency, that is the case. he's been in the briefing room several times and doesn't even take their questions. it is an interesting move to

decide to use a television medium to go into the white house press briefing room and then not call on anybody from any of the tv networks and it's just a way that they decide to do things at the white house. >> could it be also, greg, that he looked at his polling? 37%. that's pretty low. so this could be a tldeliberate strategy with his numbers the lowest that we've seen them i think in this second term. >> the only person less popular than barack obama is barack hussein obama. you know what's great is sam -- you see sam stein, it's like the battle of the beta males. that actually was a challenge. it was like a little war between the two, who could be, i don't know, more reason why they chos him apparently was because michelle was busy and they were worried malia would be too critical. >> bo can't talk. >> or can he? >> i believe the number is 11 questions were asked. >> yeah. >> not one of the only really important question that was out there that was never asked, president obama, you want

the republicans to agree to raising the debt ceiling, but in 2006 as a senator, obama, you voted against raising it. why? and 2in 2008, you called george bush dangerous and unpatriotic to the country. none of the 11 people who stood up there could ask the $64,000 question overhanging the obama presidency. >> no one has the $64,000 question. >> i would say so, yeah. >> i can answer it for you. >> you're either a hypocrite or you're -- >> a candidate for president. >> bob, the $63,000 question also is about obama care, and he didn't get one about the flawed exchanges and the technical glitches. not one yesterday. >> well, yeah, that's right. let me just say one thing, greg said he's the most unpopular guy. there's one more unpopular which is speaker boehner and the republicans in the house. you know, the fact is we had an election. you lost. and you have another election, maybe you, maybe you lose. but they're acting as if somehow they've been given the right here to disrupt the american

government and disrupt the american people because they didn't get what they wanted. well, take their crying towels and go home. >> bob, other people won elections, too, and their job is to do what the constituents want. that's what they're doing. >> the government? >> remember, it was obama who actually made changes to the bill that wasn't constitutional. so i don't know what you're talking about. >> i know -- well, the fact of the matter is -- >> here's the thing, bob, just on top of the block which is the media coverage. i do think that in a lot of ways the administration seems -- they're surprised by tough questions. they get them, they get very offended, and it doesn't help them. and all of a sudden you -- the amount of interviews that president obama has granted is inversely proportional to his approval rating. so you would -- if the media were actually a little bit tougher on him in the interviews, maybe they would realize -- or they wouldn't be so surprised by the fact that they're now in the mid-30s. >> john boehner has made a good

point. he's pushing for a delay in the individual mandate because employers got one, so he's talking about fairness. why hasn't the administration, beside kathleen sebelius, on "the daily show" by jon stewart gotten a similar question? and shawn duffy, a republican from wisconsin, asked andrea mitchell that asked question. >> all we've asked for is that the president and the administration join us in obama care, the american people and congress, and that individuals and families are treated just like big business. that's what they're holding out for. >> congressman, you're asking him -- that's a nonnegotiable demand. >> that's nonnegotiable? come on. the media won't even ask the question about why are you treating families different than business businesses? you need jon stewart on comedy central to ask secretary sebelius, hey, why won't you treat these two equally, and she can't answer it. i mean, that's how pathetic i think news reporting has become when we won't ask tough questions to the administration. >> we've asked questions of both sides. that's not fair. >> no one's asked that question

but jon stewart. i think the media should start doing its job. >> what would the media do without this shutdown? imagine if it were just the implementation of obama care. would they be able to get away with not covering it at all? >> that's their excuse right now. they're saying the republicans screwed up because of the shutdown. if we didn't have the shutdown, everybody would be focusing on this catastrophe. i happen to believe you can cover both, and i think it's a lousy excuse. maybe they're right. look, president obama does not care about his popularity. he's not going for another election. do you think brian austin green cares about his popularity? no. he's got megan fox. and obama care is obama's megan fox. you can hate him all you want, but he has this crowning achievement, as awful as it is, for a hardcore left-wing progressive, obama care is the greatest achievement you could ever have. >> megan fox is so much hotter than obama care. >> in his mind. >> what do you consider -- i

assume you consider "usa today" sort of mainstream media. >> not really. >> all right. well, let's assume that most people do. >> i still don't. >> and they yesterday beat the hell out of obama on obama care. i mean, i've not seen a whole lot of -- the huffington post question was clearly a puff question, no question about that but i haven't seen the media be so kind to obama. >> look what andrea mitchell just said. andrea mitchell who spent decades covering the white house, decades, says to a u.s. congressman, no, congressman, applying the individual mandate delay the way they applied the employer mandate is nonnegotiable. how does she know that? she's not in congress. she's not behind closed doors making these deals. does she work for the white house? does she know that that's nonnegotiable? does she know that obama's not saying we'll maybe do this, but let's hold out, see what we can

negotiate prior, and then we'll give it. how does she know, bob? and if she doesn't know, why wouldn't she ask that question question? >> am i wrong or did obama say that was nonnegotiable? >> he also said he wouldn't vote for the debt increase. he changes his position on a lot of things. >> that was just -- >> you know, of course you say no in a negotiation up until the point that you say yes. and of course, on the individual mandate, that is actually -- if the glitches continue to be as bad and as catastrophic a failure as it has seemed up to date, and i gave them a pass last week. i said let's see how it goes. software glitches can be fixed. but i think the republicans hit upon something that was very good today, and speaker boehner started to press the issue. if individuals are having such a hard time logging onto the system and getting enrolled and getting their benefits and their insurance all taken care of, if they're unable to do that, then for the good of the people, the good of the country, can't we just delay this for one year instead of threatening americans with being fined for the

government's own incompetence? >> you know what's amazing to me is the press hasn't picked up on this. nobody yet. there's a deal in the works here. it's going to get done. it's going to get done by the 17th. you can just pick up the tea leaves and being back in washington for the first time in washington yesterday, having a chance to talk to a few people -- >> if that's because -- and we have to bring up the sound, but charles krauthammer made this comment last night, that congress really dokonthe president fears the debt ceiling. >> of course, he'll have to at the 11th hour. he can't afford to be remembered as the first president who defaulted or allowed, you know, a condition to which it can happen. >> you know, he's right about that. most reasonable sane people are worried about the debt ceiling and the catastrophic outcome except for clearly the right-wing republicans who don't seem to care one way or another. but there is a deal here. and charles is right in this sense. i think taking it up to the 17th for obama, the pressure's going to build on him. i think there is going to be a deal. he's going to give boehner something that he can take back to his caucus and declare a

victory. it will be minimal, and they'll go on. and maybe it's a short-term deal, maybe it's eight weeks, but it will be a deal. >> we knew this was going to happen. we knew this months ago. this is the ideological equivalent of pro wrestling. the script was already written. we knew how this was going to end. the debt ceiling debate -- the benefit of this debt ceiling debate, it is the only time when you can really negotiate. it's like politicians are like college students. they wait until the night before the final. and then they load up on adderall and they work all night. and that's how it works, but they always get it done, correct? it's never happened. >> pay 35 bucks for that adderall, man, it does keep you up all night. >> by the way, i did not know that randy "macho man" savage was going to race in and defeat hulk hogan. >> that's not fair. for the second time in that press conference and earlier today when president obama was bringing janet yellen up for confirmation to chair the fed, he said something that just kind

of resonated in my brain a few times. it's just so disingenuous for you to do this, sir. he said i've cut the deficit. i've cut the deficit in half. he said that. he said it a few times the last couple of weeks. here's what he's done. here's the real numbers. the last year of president bu bush's term, the deficit was $459 billion. we were spending $459 billion less than we were taking in. president obama brought the deficit up to an annual deficit of $1.4 trillion. now it's coming back down to about $750 billion, okay? bush/obama. but it's so disingenuous to say i cut it from the high, which i created. it's like he's taking credit, but it's almost double what it was under george bush. >> he may well be doing that, but let's keep in mind that the deficit is the fiscal year october 1 to october 1. most of that year was in obama's camp. and he did do deficit spending. >> stop it. that's not fair. >> it is. october 1. >> what do you do about the $1.3 trillion in 2010?

$1.3 trillion in 2011. >> what's it going to be this year? >> 750. >> what was it in the first year? >> 439 when bush left office. >> what was the first year for obama? >> 1.4. >> well, he cut it in half, didn't he? >> no. he cut his own deficit in half. >> whatever. deficits are deficits. >> it's like raising your price 100% and taking 20% off and saying hey, we're going to have a sale tonight. >> like a bag of potato chips when they say there's 20% more. >> when you buy a half gallon of ice cream and you brag that you only ate half of it. >> i looked at the polling over the last about six months since the irs scandal broke, and that really looks like it was the tipping point for president obama's numbers. they've been on a downslide since. i wonder why republicans don't rally around some kind of legislation, a taxpayer bill of rights, something against the irs. stripping the irs of having the mandate, to collect those fines for obama care. that is to me political gold for republicans, kryptonite for democrats. imagine if someone in the

republican party would propose that or boehner would get behind that. let president obama defend the irs. i think that should be what they do after they get this debt ceiling deal. >> it's an interesting idea except that the republicans in the congress are perceived to be worse than attila the hun. >> you actually like that idea. >> i think that's not a bad idea, but i don't think the republicans can carry anything. i don't think they can carry water. >> i think they could. >> terrible. not quite as terpible as republicans. >> they would win with that idea. >> the number one story that we were doing for two weeks was the irs story which got blown out of the water by a number of other scandals. too many scandal balls in the air. and i do believe conservative republicans let that thing get away the same way they let benghazi get away and fast and furious because he's able to keep pushing a new problem in front of us. >> but that one's coming back. if drudge -- there was a headline in drudge. >> that's why the republicans need to bring it back. >> it was the white house. they actually tied it from the irs to the white house. >> who did that?

who did that? >> they need to tie the debt ceiling or the shutdown to the irs. i think that would be pr gold. and political gold. up next, will the grieving families of the service men and women who have died for our country get the respect and help that they deserve? this big story you've all been following. we have an update on a very shameful suspension of death benefits for america's bravest. we'll have that for you. and later, "the five" was down in washington yesterday for a very special event honoring our very dear friend, bob beckle. it was such a wonderful night. we'll tell you about it a little bit later, so stay tuned. customer erin swenson ordered shoes from us online

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an update on breaking news coming to us out of wheeling, west virginia. shepard smith at the fox news deck. i'll show you where it happened. the federal courthouse in wheeling, which is south and west of pittsburgh. firing from a parking lot of a chase bank. a white male. we don't know his age. fired some 20 shots. let's go this way. fired some 20 shots at that federal building. we now know that the security guard there was injured. the gunman has been killed. and chris here has some pictures from the scene. >> yeah. shep, these are from phillip

stahl with wtov-9. he says that this is a deputy chief martin kimball with a bulletproof vest on. we also have here -- >> got it. >> -- we also have -- he sent a picture -- he said these are -- this is shattered glass outside the federal building that his cameras picked up. >> what we know is there were 20 shots fired. the gunman is dead and a report from multiple sources including the local newspaper that the shooter who is now deceased is a former police officer. now back to dana and "the five." >> all right, thank you, shep. welcome back to "the five." the u.s. soldiers creed calls for no one to be left behind. and when the unfortunate occasion of a military death occurs, the american government owes the same loyalty to the fallen's family. since the shutdown began on october 1st, 26 service members have died, leaving 26 grieving military families without death benefits. and this has created righteous anger and confusion. listen to this. >> this isn't about the government shutdown. it's about whether the commander

in chief gives a damn about the morale of our troops. it does not take an act of congress to authorize this travel by the dependence of the families of our dead or our wounded. all it takes is a commander in chief with a conscience. >> for the sacrifice that our kids are making at the age that they're making them, i don't understand how this can be a benefit that's withheld. i won't ever understand it. >> and today white house press secretary jay carney was pressed about the commander in chief's role in this delay. >> how could there not have been a decision made that if there's anything that's essential, it would be taking care of those who lost loved ones in the field of battle? >> i mean, again, if you want an editorial -- commander in chief, when he found out that this was not addressed, he directed that a solution be found. these benefits were not explicitly dealt with in the paramilitary act. he was very disturbed and he asked for the omv and his

lawyers to take action. >> so why didn't he have that action taken for today, though? >> you'd have to work out a you to write the check, ed. >> interesting answer. it should be noted that just this afternoon a private charity, which is called the fisher house, it does amazing work all over the country. it has agreed to pick up the tab until the department of defense gets its spending issues straightened out. fair or unfair to blame the white house and the president for not catching this in the military pay act? >> i think it's very fair. i think it also proves that america is bigger and better than the clowns representing us in d.c. where fisher house has to come in and pick up the tab to fly these people back. the other thing is, 26 service members have died in the last nine days in afghanistan. i guess overseas. can we just pull back now? can we let those people who hate us anywhere are going to hate us the day we leave? can we just get out already? enough is enough. honestly. i'm all for finishing things off and all, but come on.

it's going on 13 years now. our 13th year. >> the key here was the $100,000 death benefit that goes to the families to have them holdover until they get their permanent money. that would -- is included in the defense authorization bill. the bill that the house of representatives passed did not include that money. so it is not president obama alone here. it's the white house who forgot somehow to include that. >> i said the bozos representing us -- >> okay. >> i didn't necessarily hang it on obama. >> obama never should have signed the thing without it in it. he should have known that. but the house never should have pass it had without having those benefits put in there. and the fact that these supposed so strong military types in the republican coming rngress forge put that in is to me shocking. >> service members should get the pay they're due. they're going to get it thank you to the fisher house for stepping in. >> but this is an amazing lesson for anybody who is interested in

philosophy of government. it shows that big government by nature is inhuman. it's a one-size-fits-all monstrosity that looks at widows and looks at healthy 26-year-olds as no different. so if you're a 26-year-old playing xbox, you get universal health care. but if you're a dead soldier, you don't get funds because it's an inhuman machine. a small agile government, state government, doesn't make these mistakes. it only makes its mistakes when it becomes a greedy, disgusting monolith that sucks everything you have and then becomes so selfish that it just spits it out arbitrarily all over the country. >> well, this time we caught it. >> that made sense. >> we caught it. >> not really. >> unfortunately. but what if it's health care? what if it's obama care? the same people that absent-mindedly forgot are the same ones that are going to be in charge of obama care. and, you know, you say you're not supposed to leave someone behind. how about the four soldiers in benghazi? how about leaving them behind? i mean, the commander in chief that night, we still don't know exactly what he was doing.

and so now in this situation, we have the private sector come into play, bailing out the american people, and i just don't understand why. this boggles the mind. the minute the president found out about this, why didn't he do something? jay carney says he went to his lawyer. this is a president that loves the news camera. why wouldn't president obama, the most powerful man in the world, try and do something? it's like he never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity. every time. >> one of the things, eric, that the house has done is passed several bills that would have the continuing resolution which is the bill that would continue to fund the government -- i'm sorry, allow for the veterans to be paid while the government is shut down. but that everyone should be able to agree that if we're doing this for the military families, that our veterans who serve should get the same. but the democrats -- senate democrats in the white house have said don't send that over because we won't sign it. >> right. and that's what we're dealing with. they only want -- greg, pardon me, it's a clean resolution -- they only want the clean

resolution. they don't want to attach this thing until you say look, there are four dead soldiers that need to be flown back and you can't fly them back until you at least vote on this. they have 435 in the house. again, the way this works is take care of the most important things first. pass it, get it through. get the military funded. get thaul stuff funded and then start taking these things. >> one by one and let's prioritize. >> prioritize. >> ask i ask you a question, though, about something else? the parks service blocking things? >> yeah. >> whether it's old faithful or mt. rushmore? how is this actually legal? i mean, i understand, like, if a store is closing and you've got to leave the store. it's still legal to stand out in front of the store and stare at the store. and that store actually owns the property. as far as i can tell, the parks service doesn't own this property. how can they block a view? isn't that illegal? that's illegal. >> it's also really stupid. and because i've run out of time, i'm going to put a picture

on twitter that you guys are not going to believe about the grand tetons. >> we should have a giant staring contest. we should tell everybody to go to mt. rushmore right now and stare at it. >> okay. >> at our stoned leaders. >> we're so glad you're back. coming up, pearl jam frontman eddie vedder takes an aim at gun owners. we'll tell you how the rock star threw himself head first into the gun-control debate. that is next on "the five." [ male announcer ] want healthy joints?°

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opinion. i've played many pearl jam songs in and out of my segment, but now i'm done with vedder, no mas pearl jam. eddie vedder has a message for second amendment supporters like myself. he wants something bad to happen to us. in a new interview he says, quote, the fact that we're living in a country where 90% of the people want further gun laws to maybe somehow put a dent in some of this insanity that's happening, yet there's no further legislation. taking place. i get so angry that i almost wish bad things upon these people. i wonder if vedder would say that to the faces of any of the dozens of bodyguards who protected he and his bandmates over the years, not to mention, there it is, my right to own and carry is the law of the land. greg, you were laughing during this setup. >> well, no, i just like the way, "a," that vedder says he almost wishes something bad happens to these people. he should send them his latest solo record. i have a joke. what's the difference between eddie vedder and kurt cobain?

kurt cobain can't sing because he's dead. >> oh. >> oh. >> you don't like his vocals. >> his last hit was probably on a bong. i'm serious. "ten"? that was a pretty good album. the melvins are so much better. if you like pearl jam, screw pearl jam, listen to the melvins. >> all right. your approach. >> i used to love pearl jam. they got me through a lot of tough adolescent years. i love "versus." i disagree with greg on that. they've been trashing gun owners for a long time. "gotta gun, in fact i got two. that's okay, man, because i love god. glorified version of a pellet gun feels so manly when armed glorified version of a pellet gun." that song is from a while ago, and it mocks gun owners like they're clinging to their guns and their religion. where have i heard that before? oh. >> that guy was on acid when he did that. he's probably on acid when he

talked here. does anybody really care? i don't agree with vedder, but who cares what he says? i don't get it. he's an acid-blown old freak. >> so let's do this. let's move the gun debate -- >> that's ironic. >> in colorado, remember last month, colorado senate president jack morris and angela giron who were recalled in a recall election last month. now there's a third one going up for recall and her name is state senator evie holder. is that holder? so she's the third one. now, if she gets recalled, the colorado state senate will go from democrat to republican. dana, talk to us a little about how important the gun debate is going on in colorado at least. >> i think it's an international trend. we talked yesterday about the 2014 elections and how the map historically does favor republicans. there's a lot of red state democrats who are going to face tough ones. the congress has a terrible

reputation. the republicans' brand is in the tank. nationally. however, at the state level and in the governorship, republicans continue to win over and over again. taking back colorado would be the first step to getting that state back on track. >> bob, so here's how it goes. even if they don't get this recall and the state 2k8 house stays democrat, isn't it a sign for everyone else thinking hard about gun legislation, maybe they should back off a little bit? >> it sends some fear through them. she won it barely in the general election, and that's because the vote was split with the libertarian candidate. it's not exactly what you would consider a blue seat. on the other hand, if this thing means that the colorado senate goes republican, i can guarantee you there will be ssive amounts of democratic money poured into that race. i assume on the other side they will, too. >> i think colorado is the front lines for fighting in 2014. absolutely. >> just to go back briefly to the -- i -- you should always

support when somebody talks about a political issue if they have facts. and that's always been the problem. when you have a celebrity, he doesn't mention facts, only feelings. i welcome vedder to talk about guns, if he only knew something about them and he knew about the statistics going down and the majority of guns -- gun violence, it's suicide, and it's not these horrible tragedies that happen at schools. but you'll never hear that from a celebrity because it's too hard to read a book. >> all right. maybe they should read this book. >> that's a small book. yes. or your hands are huge. >> directly ahead, talk about the wussification of our youth, some middle school students are banned from playing basketballs and footballs during recess and cracking down on tag games. smart move or safety at stake, or is it turning our kids into pathetic adults? the child's play is the next debate on "the five." . ♪ let's do our homework. ♪

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♪ all right. middle school in port washington, new york, has banned footballs, baseballs and soccer balls. those things. in case you don't know what they are. plus stuff like tag and cartwheels will be under teacher supervision from now on, said a superintendent. quote, some of these injuries can unintentionally become very serious, so we want to make sure our children have fun but are also protected. i agree. i think all brats should be cocooned in bubble wrap, then inserted into an egg-shaped polyurethane container where soy milk can be fed through a plastic straw. then when they turn 18 we can hatch them like baby chicks and eat them. because that's all they'll be good for. in medicine, there's this thing called the hygiene hypothesis. that's a lack of childhood exposure to infectious stuff that boosts disease risk later. it's why some docs think playing in dirt is good for it helps build immunity. that's why i don't bathe. i don't know if this is true

with bacteria, but i'm thinking it's true for spines. absurd efforts to shield kids from perceived risks like bruises or bullies creates weak adults, the kind who describe jokes as hurtful and words as insensitive, insensitive meaning they become leftists. understanding risk is the only way to navigate it. and while head injuries are nothing to laugh at, it's the fragile mentality of the sheltered that's a joke. the only thing worse than a crying child is a whining adult, and that's the one area i know we're beating china in. don't have much time here. andrea, it's true, lots of kids head to the er for head injuries. i actually had a head injury when i was young. i'm fine. >> there's a surprise. >> that's why. >> is that a reason to start pulling out all the balls? >> no. no. >> what are you thinking, dana? >> dana, your dirty mind again. >> i'm not thinking of anything. >> see how far she's gone down? >> we've really corrupted her. do i think they should remove the balls? when i think back to my

childhood, i was not covered in helmets and safety gear. i bet you weren't either. i bet no one at this table was, and we're all fun. now you look at little kids, they look like mini-terminators. i understand safety but i think they've taken it over the top. they also don't like winners. if you have a ball and you're playing a game, that means team. that means someone has to win. academia on the left doesn't like that. everyone's the same. so you sit inside and you write poetry. that's the new thing. >> bob? >> that was hurtful and insensitive on your part. to say that about the left. all the left doesn't believe that. i don't believe that you've got to have -- let them play with all the balls they want to play with, in school and out. i mean, i just don't think it's a big deal. and that's why dana -- look at dana. she's still suffering from that comment. >> sick. sick, sick. >> the metaphor is remove the balls. i guess if you go there, you realize that's what they're trying to do, but they're not really removing the balls. they replaced them with nerf balls. softer balls.

they still get hurt with nerf balls. >> this is set up for this stuff. dana, there's no reason to sit there and feel funny about this because whenever you talk about balls like that, you're going to get a bad rap. >> dana, you worry about your dog incurring any injuries when you play at the park. >> when he plays -- yeah, i do. but i also know that, you know, he's able to play and roughhouse, that he's going to be a better dog for it. >> so true. spoken like a dog parent. all right. how did it end up in such a dark, strange place? all right. don't go away. when we come back, these guys will tell you about their trip to d.c. yesterday. bob got an award and gave an inspirational speech. there he is. about his battle with addiction. the highlights next.

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alcoholics often begin our journey in the world of light where many you live. then you find yourself drifting to the only place you can, plac is to the dark world. can, plac so there comes a day when you finally decide you're sick and

tired of being sick and tired. and you decide to seek help. in my case, i was fortunate enough to have the resources to go for karen. the day i left was the saddest day of my life. i couldn't have been here in my life if it hadn't been for karen and a.a. i can't do it alone. no alcoholic can do it alone. and there are thousands of them out there tonight, and desperate to find the light. >> well, i was owe i really appreciate very much the work from karen. i appreciate that the five went to washington to dot show. and those of hue went to be with me last night. my two children were there which was very important to me. my ex-wife, by the way, who bore the brunt of my worst years and

i appreciate her doing that. it was a moving night. and for those who weren't able to do that without caron. >> and your very good friend, cal thomas. your co-author and columnist and co-speaker, his introduction of you was really good. >> yes, he was really good. he told a few stories. >> there was no alcohol. >> there was no alcohol -- >> did you figure out a way to get -- >> porter and i ran across the street to the men's room at bobby van's and came back it was an honor sitting next to you. you did a fantastic job. >> great job. thank you. >> bob, i just want to say we're so proud of you we're all so proud of you. dana and i were bawling during your speech. you've got such great children. you are such an inspiration to struggling alcoholics.

ewe been punched in the face, you've visited jails. you had a guy die in a car you were trying to help. one thing he said about you, he said you're a true friend. you're genuine, bob you are. that's why we love you. you're the glue to the show. thank you. even if you are a left wingnut. >> yeah. >> unlike all the rest of us. >> actually, his real problem, i don't care a single wit about bob addiction. up next -- ♪ nudedy week at brown university. >> opened up to sexuality and bodies. >> what is the educational value of nudity week. >> the educational value. yo, yo, yo. aflac. wow. [ under his breath ] that was horrible. pays you cash when you're sick or hurt?

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♪ it's time now for "one more thing." i'll kick it off. i always liked rapper nellie. but now i like him even more. listen to what he had to say about the government. >> if the government's not working we shouldn't be paying taxes. paying taxes is supposed to pay for the government which in turn is is now bucket. wee being in the upper echelon of the tax bracket feel that the money i could be saving over these next couple days could be very vital to my survival. >> i agree. i like it. i agree. that's what should go to the irs. >> you wanted to fire the government. >> shouldn't the money be coming

back to us? me in particular? >> well, keeping up with the music away from that dude. today would have been the great john lennon's 70th birthday. here's one of my favorites, coming up, "imagine." ♪ living life you may i'm a dreamer ♪ >> oh, he was a great man and we miss im. eric. >> speak for yourself. >> fox kicked off the new prime time lineup. last night, numbers are in. it's amazing. congratulations, if you add the competition, add their numbers up, these guys beat them by 31%. bill, megyn and sean, congratulations. it's a good scrape to be part of

that team. >> they had a heluva lead. let's talk about the ridiculousness of some of the things the national park is doing during the shutdown. there's native-american type animals that didn't like it. look what these guys decided to do in the grand tetons park. >> native-american animals? >> yeah, get it, bob, they were here before? the american buffalo. >> i see. i see. >> ban phrase? >> clean. clean is supposed to be a good word. they're attaching it to clean resolutions and clean bill. that means unencumbered. it's stupid. don't let them use it. >> it means more spending cuts. >> yeah, more and more bloated. >> that's the worst john lennon

song. i like john lennon, "imagine" is terrible. >> only because it's a good peace song. >> it's not a peace song. >> thanks for watching, everybody. we'll see you tomorrow. "special report" is up next. america's finest caught in the cross fire of a political war over funding. this is "special report." ♪ good evening, i'm bret baier. we're about halfway start of the partial government shutdown and the day the u.s. faces what the administration calls the line in the sand for congress to raise the debt ceiling, at point at which the treasury secretary says he will have no more options. and the country could face default. in the midst of a polarizing partisan disagreement about almost everything, there is one situation that i'll agree must be addressed. involving