>> brian: where? >> at eliam in portland, oregon, i think. >> steve: frank is in the after the show show. have a fantastic weekend. see you back here monday, everybody. >> elisabeth: bye, everybody. martha: we sure do. bill: bill: new questions on what the president knew and when he knew it after finally signing a bill that will guaranty death benefits to military families. the sting and the outrage is still out there. one congressman calling for resignation of this man, defense secretary chuck hagel. a lot to cover on this. on a friday we say good morning. welcome to "america's newsroom." i'm bill hemmer. martha: good morning. i'm martha maccallum. the big suspicion among the president's critics that the white house was playing politics with grieving military families. congressman duncan hunter thinks that is what exactly was happening. he says heads need to role in this case. >> i think chuck hagel needs to

think about offering his resignation about all this. he is one at top of the food chain and broke the sacred trust with the families. these military families were not pawns to be played with by the administration to make political points. that is exactly what happened in this situation. bill: national security correspondent jennifer griffin is live from the pentagon leading our coverage there the president signed the bill but earlier in the day the white house said it was not necessary to sign the bill. what changed? >> reporter: this is interesting, bill. as soon as senate majority leader harry reid allowed the house bill to be voted on in the senate yesterday and both houses voted unanimously to fund these death benefits for the military families the president was really boxed into a corner. politically it would have looked pretty bad if he hadn't signed it even though yesterday spokesman jay carney made it sound like the president wouldn't sign. >> first of all, the legislation is not necessarily. our view has been that this piecemeal funding is again, a gimmick. >> this whole thing is for show.

this whole government shutdown is for show. >> reporter: so yesterday at the press briefing a the white house, bill, it sounded like the white house was willing to let the fisher house, a charity, foot the bill for these death benefits until the shutdown ended. that would be about $3 million because as of yesterday there were 20 nine military families affected by this. bill: allegations from republicans, you heard these loud and clear, this was all done on purpose. what did you find on that? >> reporter: well, it was interesting, there were real fireworks on capitol hill yesterday during a house hearing which the author of pay our military act which was signed on the eve of the shutdown, republican mike coffman of colorado, accused pentagon comptroller robert hale of playing politics. >> you really i think subordinated your responsibilities, i think to achieve a political objective and the political objective was

to make, inflict as much harm as you possibly good in your own department but you compounded the problem by your conduct in how you have misinterpreted, intentionally this law. >> i resent your remarks. let that, the record show that. i acted on the advice of attorneys and our best reading after loosely worded law. did our best. >> mr. chairman, if i could. >> let me finish please. it was not a political judgment. >> reporter: even some congressional aides privately admitted to us that the law, the pay our military act was loosely worded, vaguely worded and probably could have been written in a more clear manner to give the pentagon the ability to pay those military benefits. bill: jennifer put a fine point on this, the politics and debate will continue about who is right and who is not but are the families taken care of now? is this issue settled? >> reporter: the families are taken care of now by the

president signing the law last night. they will get those benefits, $100,000 each within three days of the death. it might have been delayed by a day or two. fisher house has stepped in to bridge any expenses that those families needed. and, the military in the end actually flew those families out to dover, even though at first they weren't able to do so. bill: our sympathies to all of them. jennifer griffin thank you. leading coverage from the pentagon, martha. martha: senator john mccain a decorated war hero, who spent five years as pow in the vietnam war, called this issue disgraceful. >> shouldn't we as a body, republican, democrat, no matter who we are, shouldn't we be embarrassed about this? shouldn't we be ash shamed. what do the american people think when they see that death benefit for those who served and sacrificed in the most honorable

way are not even, their families are not even eligible for death benefits? martha: senator john mccain, very unhappy and disgusted really with this entire episode. he is going to join us a little bit later on "america's newsroom." does he think that secretary hagel should step down? we're going to ask him that, coming up. bill: for folks at home or at the office or maybe you're watching us on a mobile device right now, what do you think? should defense secretary hagel step down? send us a tweet @billhemmer or @marthamaccallum. our lines are open throughout the show today. we'll read reactions a bit later. o'reilly is hot on this. you will hear from him in a moment. martha: there are a lot of people are unsettled that the federal government would allow a charity to step in and bridge the gap. we're okay with that. fisher house is taking care of it. wonderful move by the fisher house's part. they have been incredibly generous for the families.

this is getting a lot of attention. fox news alert. are we one step closer to a shutdown deal this morning? senate republicans are up at bat at the white house. there will be a series of four meetings. this is meeting number three today. they will have their moment with president obama to have their desires to be heard. one day after their counterparts were there. they offer ad short-term plan. that one didn't seem to go over too well. speaker boehner said republicans are trying to work with the president, in his opinion. >> it is time for leadership. it is time for the negotiations and this conversation to begin. and i would hope that the president will look at this as an opportunity and a good-faith effort on our part to move halfway. martha: well, is that how people look at it? mike emanuel live from capitol hill with the details. mike, what are you hearing from the house leadership who was in there yesterday about the status of these talks as we get ready for the senate to go in? >> reporter: martha, i talked to several house leadership aides

who say staff discussions between the white house and house gop leadership continued into last night and conversations were good they say. no decisions have been made and discussions will continue again this morning. a key component for house speaker john boehner is making sure he keeps at least some house conservative support. so last night he brought with him the chair of the republican study committee, steve scalise, a critical bloc of house conservatives and here's what scalise had to say. >> look, we hadn't talked yet about all of this. we've been trying to have a sit-down conversation to start talking about our differences and i'm glad we finally started that yesterday but clearly there's a lot more we need to sit down and resolve on spending and on long-term debt. >> reporter: so as we expect, discussions to continue between house gop leadership aides and the white house. next up at the white house is of course senate republicans later this morning. they have got some ideas of their own, martha. martha: beyond the notions that we're getting of what the president might accept, and one

of the big issues here we'll talk about later, whether or not they can decouple the two issues of the cr, the continuing resolution, and the debt ceiling issue. what are we hearing about what senate democrats would accept? >> reporter: well, martha it is pretty clear that senate majority leader harry reid is going to insist on the government being reopened. honestly talking with a lot of senate republicans they would like that as well. they feel like leaving the government closed for another six weeks may not be a wise decision by republicans. so, we will see if that happens. but after the white house meeting late yesterday, here's senator reid's thoughts on where things should go from here. >> the government should be opened, now. we should be able to pay our debts and we said and we'll continue to say, we, if that happens, we'll negotiate on anything, anything, and the president confirmed that today. >> reporter: of course while the house gop offer yesterday to raise the debt ceiling for six weeks got a lot of attention there is also talks going on in the senate.

senator susan collins, republican from maine, has some ideas about moving forward, a comprehensive idea in terms of reopening the government, pushing forward the debt ceiling and we understand that those negotiations are also going on. so there may be several ways to solve this problem. martha? martha: several ways. she is talking six months perhaps, in terms of that deal. so, we'll see where it goes. mike thank you so much, great reporting on all of this. we'll see you in a little while. bill: we'll see what happens over the weekend. see where we are come monday. you, you are not happy with washington, not in the least. public opinion on congress, on the president, public opinion on congress at a record low. the gallup has not ever seen since the started its polling on that question four decades to go. martha: numbers are incredible. stick around. we'll show you all the numbers. plus a frightening scene when a school bus crashes on the highway. what police say caused this and what we know about the injuries at this hour. bill: also calls are growing for heads to roll after the national

disgrace with military families denied death benefits. should the resignation start with chuck hagel? o'reilly is on this. he is fuming about it. >> press secretaries do that all the time. >> good out of there! not his job to stonewall. hagel, carney, all of them go. you don't want to serve the people, go! you could make a lot of money in the private sector. i'm tired of this! i take prilosec otc each morning for my frequent heartburn. because you can't beat zero heartburn. woo hoo! [ male announcer ] prilosec otc is the number one doctor recommended frequent heartburn medicine for 8 straight years. one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn. ugh! actually progresso's soup

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martha: search crews in chesapeake, virginia, are now looking for a missing plane that was supposed to land at a hamptons road airport. authorities say the airplane was en route from fort lauderdale, florida. according to faa there is no confirmed crash. they say the cessna aircraft did not land at the expected destination. >> you take the stupid lawyers out of it. that's what you do if you're a leader. that's what this is all about, this military thing. this is about leadership. where is chuck hagel?

have you seen chuck around? where is he? what interview has he done? where is he? where is this man? department of defense secretary, where is he? this guy should be fired immediately! he has no right to be there. he lost all credibility with the military. get out of here! this is what drives me crazy. they're not leaders. these aren't leaders. >> bill, keep in mind -- >> carney, what is the matwer carney? he knows when president obama knew about it. so he is stonewalling. you covered nixon. you know what nixon people did. carney is doing sergeant exactly what they did. it is not his job to stonewall! >> well -- >> hagel, carney, all of them, go. you don't want to serve the people two. you could make a lot ever money in the private sector. i'm tired of this. bill: let them have it, bill. president signed a bill funding benefits but calls for hagel resignation have not ended. katie pavlich, townhall.com, fox

news contributor is with me now. good morning to you. >> good morning. bill: why what have you found out by way of the white house when they knew about this? >> the white house won't say exactly when they news about this. fox news's ed henry pressed jay carney earlier this week when president obama knew. jay carney gave the typical answer of evading the question. we do know that the department of defense comptroller warned about this before the government shutdown. now it looks like attorneys knew that this was going to happen days ago and yet you don't see defense secretary chuck hagel raising hell about this and saying, lookings, these death benefits won't be paid out. they waited until congress had to go back and reinstate new legislation yesterday to vote on it and 24 hours later, the senate voted on it and then finally president obama signed it. bill: you mentioned about the attorneys. we're talking about defense department attorneys. justice department attorneys. two days ago i have a report

from nbc news says white house lawyers involved in this as well. have we confirmed white house lawyers were indeed in discussions with the justice department and the pentagon? >> that's what the reporting states and fox news has also reported that but jay carney once again won't answer the question. who was involved, who made the decision? and the problem here is, that president obama, commander-in-chief, hasn't come out to make a statement about this. he is in charge. i agree with bill o'reilly. where was chuck hagel on this? he lost the faith of the military. military families aren't getting their benefits. talk about political stunts. this week was the first time that defense secretary chuck hagel made his way to dover air force base to receive the bodies of the fallen. 29 troops have been killed since the shutdown happened on october 1st. this is the first time that he has been there. bill: katy, are you of the mind that chuck hagel is the one who takes the fall for this? does he resign? >> i don't think that he will resign but i would hope in a

moment of leadership the president obama would ask him to submit his resignation. he, you know, this is something you do not violate. the biggest question here is, when it comes to the government shutdown, it is about priorities and why weren't death benefits for those killed overseas because we are still at war put on the essential list? how is it that death benefits were put on the non-essential list when it cops to a government shutdown? i would hope next time around, because this could happen again, that they make sure that death benefits for those families are on the essential list when it comes to funding the government. bill: agree entirely, specifically on hagel, do you think he will walk the line on this or is this something that blows over in time? >> given the track record of people having to submit their resignation over things, i don't think he is going to go anywhere, unfortunately. bill: jay carney yesterday said the president apparently had a walk in the garden again with his chief of staff, denis mcdonough and he was advised what was happening. president said go ahead and fix it and get it done, find a

creative way to do it. carney said their interpretation of the law, the pay our military act law, did not appear to fix it, meaning the death benefits were not legally able to go back to the family. i just find that wording peculiar. did not appear to fix it. what that tells you, that people are interpreting the law and the law, the attorneys were involved in this, to find what they believe, you know, the words meant here? and -- >> right. bill: they said hey, it doesn't appear we have to go forward with this. >> right. the word appear, makes you think, why were they focusing on the idea that maybe we shouldn't be giving these benefits. the benefit of the doubt always sending out the benefits. the focus shouldn't be trying to make sure that maybe there's an option to not send these benefits. that gives credibility to the argument that they were doing this, to make it hurt. and to make the shutdown hurt and to make people realize that,

without the shut, without the government running on its heels, we're going to make it as painful as possible on the political side and that is why i would hope, president obama would hold secretary of state hagel accountable and this won't happen again. bill: ultimately you have to be bigger than this. you have to overcome this. if you can make a demand on tuesday night to go ahead and get creative, you should get creative before it's a possibility, katy. >> this should have happened, president obama should have issued a executive order the second he found out about it. again there is no reason why we need to go through this in the case after government shutdown. death benefits for military families should be on the essential list what is paid out during a government shutdown. we shouldn't have to go through this. it has taken way too long. bill: katy pavlich in washington. jay carney said the matter is decided because a private charity is kicking in. that is absolutely wrong. >> absolutely. bill: we'll talk a little more later today.

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bill: several members after sorority injured after their school bus injured after a crash with tractor-trailer t happened in delaware. the trucker failed to stop for a red light, smashed into the bus. the university of delaware say the students were on their way to a party. said none of the injuries are life-threatening. that is good news. a frightening scene there. martha: fox news alert now. some of the biggest names in the conservative movement are gathering in the nation's capitol this morning as the annual values voters summit gets underway. right now you see utah senator mike lee at the podium. he has been much in the focus over the issue of the cr and defunding obamacare. he is addressing that battle and was doing that just moments ago. let's take a look at some of it. >> the very best argument against obamacare is the president's conduct during the first 10 days of this shutdown. i mean look what's happened.

the president is using the vast, immense power of the federal government to hurt the american people. why? in order to win a political argument. what happens then when we turn over some of the most private, intimate, decisions in our lives, our health care system, to the government? when will that be used as a tool against us? we must stop it. we must defund it. we can not accept it. [applause] martha: rousing applause there. chief political correspondent carl cameron is live in d.c. carl, what do we expect to hear today? >> reporter: well the values summit every year brings religious and social conservatives to d.c. they're really aligning closely with the fiscal conservatives and tea party types on capitol hill who have been fighting hard to defund obamacare, delay it are do something to it. they invited four key republican leaders at the forefront to speak to it. they're somehow trying to curb the obamacare law, reopen the

government and. mike lee is one of few of the non-presidential candidates who is actually speaking today. the values voters summit is bringing them together from all over the country and, what we have coming up is speeches from none other than that ted cruz, the texas senator, who spoke for 21 hours on the senate floor and sort of a filibuster of sorts against the affordable care act. rand paul of kentucky. he will be speaking later this morning. he was among the first to start blasting the president and democrats for their refusal to negotiate, something has given republicans some renewed leverage and brought this possibility of a new fix. marco rubio of florida, will also be talking. one of four guys, mike lee, who we say, cruz, rubio, rand paul this spring agreed to band together to halt implementation of obamacare by using budget process. rubio has been quiet lately. they're all three doing early 20916 presidential round and seeing laying ground work for a

possible presidential campaign with their fight against the obamacare act. martha: this is forum for future potential candidates. paul ryan may be among that group as well, carl? what do we expect from him? >> reporter: there is ton of speculation he may take a pass to be speaker or move up in the house leadership. he has not been out front in fight for obamacare last few months. paul ryan has been behind the scenes to wait for this moment. he believes it is time to fix problems once and for all to stop short term bandages. he is part of the six-week debt limit deadline to get us to thanksgiving to give lawmakers more opportunity to come up with a ray to raise the debt limit with concessions on spending and reopen the government and have a long-term negative on entitlements. that is something paul ryan and republicans have been trying to do for years and been a nonstarter. so-called grand bargain hasn't made much headway. maybe this is paul ryan's time, martha. martha: that seems to come to

the main focus during crisis moments and gets pushed aside. we'll see. carl, thank you so much. bill: not so grand. for days some of our most bested and beloved national parks were closed to public even though local leaders said they didn't need federal money to stay open the white house said no. there is breakthrough for this fight. we'll tell what you that is all about. martha: beautiful pictures. she was shot by the taliban forgoing to school. now she dedicated her life to promoting pace and educating young girls like herself. so did the pakistani teenager who has had worldwide attention win the nobel prize? >> the terrorist thought that they would change my aim and stop my ambitions but nothing changed in my life except this. weakness, fear, and hopelessness died. strength, fervor and courage was born. [applause] l

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from new york city. why would the committee, given what happened in syria choose the weaponses inspectors? >> reporter: they say the weapons inspectors, bill, are doing brave and important work in ridding the world of the scourge of chemical weapons. in fact 80% of the world's stockpiles of chemical weapons have been destroyed since the opcw began its work. now they are obviously engaged in a very dangerous, very difficult mission in syria. an example of that danger came on august 26th when the u.n. convoy carrying those weapons inspectors was shot at by at least one sniper. you will remember the video of the bullet holes in those u.n. vehicles. now the problems critics might have with this award is that they would say the opcw inspectors have not yet completed their difficult task in syria and therefore the award might be in the eyes of some, bill, a little premature. bill? bill: a lot of people wanted

this 16-year-old girl to win. why did she not win? >> reporter: yousufzai is certainly a favorite with many. she went through extraordinary experience being shot by the taliban purely because she cast campaigning on behalf of education of girls in the tribal areas of northern pakistan. she has said herself, this week, most interestingly, that she doesn't believe she has yet done enough to win the nobel peace prize. the committee said they are pretty confident at some point she will win it. this whole thing obviously sparked quite the battle on twitter of those who supported her and those who did not support the opcw. by the way, the nobel committee seemed to have trouble getting ahold of the organization for chemical weapons. they reached them via twitter. contact us at nobel prize. we're trying to get through to your office. as someone who dealt with the

opcw, i can tell you while they may be efficient ridding the world of chemical weapons, their pr department is among the most inefficient i have ever met, bill. bill: there is that too. congratulations to the group that one but that 16-year-old girl already made a huge difference. >> reporter: extraordinary young woman. bill: jonathon hunt, thank you. in new york. martha: shy doesn't need a nobel peace prize, right? the obama administration is saying it will allow some states to reopen their own national parks after mounting pressure from several governors. iconic america's landmarks like south dakota's mt. rushmore and the beautiful grand canyon in arizona. look at those beautiful postcards of our country. people were not able to get in to them because of the shut down 11 days ago. states would have to use their own money to have them reopen. we're joined by senator alfonse d'amato, served in the senate during 1995 and 1996.

so he is a veteran of these issues. >> thank you, martha. martha: gary herbert of utah, saying look, federal government, give us permission to reopen. we have shops along the roads to these places. this is huge tourist business. we need to get them back open. we're willing to use our own money and they have to wait for the federal government to dane to allow them to use their own money. what do you think about this? >> the federal government should be ashamed of themselves. start with the congress and move on to the president and executive. when you pull these kinds of things, for example, closing down tourist attractions, cost no money basically to operate them, you're really should be ashamed of yourself. i thought the president -- martha: why? because it is designed to make it hurt? >> yes. to put pressure on, look what is happening. you know, not paying the death benefits for our troops when they die to their families, saying oh, no, then having charitable groups come up to give them $100,000 they're

entitled to and our nation should be proud to be helping them. this is a kind of a political game. the republicans started it. the white house is keeping it up. they're both wrong. for the president to make sure, that the world war ii monuments were closed down, actually sent personnel from the white house to see to it that the veterans couldn't get there, the president should have been down there himself opening up and, the barricades, saying come on take a look, those of you who served our nation. it's enough. people have a right to be disgusted with both of them. first of all my republicans shot themselves not in the foot, but the head. when they said we will close down government unless you defund obamacare. let the people see the foe paws. -- foe paws, the failure of obamacare. not going to get repeal. show how bad it is. instead you covered it up by ted cruz taking to the floor and

we're going to close it down. what did you accomplish? and then to have the nation held hostage this way and to threaten, the, not going forward to meet our obligations in the next week? that's terrible. martha: you know, what i'm hearing there is, almost is no politics anymore in terms of what used to happen back in '95 and '96 where both sides, you know, there was more come rod dry. they would get together. they wanted to govern essentially. they weren't perfect. nobody is perfect but at least, the wheels of the machine were moving. >> we could talk together. i could talk to senator biden. we came from different perspectives. martha: where is he in this whole picture do you think? >> i think he is probably urging behind the scenes that there be a compromise, that we see to it that the debt limit is one that we take care of. martha: the word was that senator harry reid in one report did not want the vice president

to be part of any of these discussions. why do you think that would be? >> because joe biden would be fighting to do the business of the people, to forge a compromise. you've got to increase the debt limit. now do you wan to cut down on the expenditures and the deficit? of course. so reasonable people come together. yeah, we'll increase the debt limit. let's see if we get some of the spending under control, some. programs that are out of control. and that's the kind of thing we can and should be doing. martha: yeah. >> and we should be ashamed of ourselves of just playing this partisan politics on both sides. by the way the president is playing this game to fare thee well. is is wrong to do that the my counterparts the congressional leaders should stand up and say let's do the business of american people. that is why the american people are fed up with the washington. martha: there will be meetings at the white house. senator, always good to have you. bill? bill: what if the president had

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a plan to fix its operations. in the meantime foster says it will not recall chickens from the plants that were contaminated. the company urges people to cook their chicken thoroughly and clean work surfaces after raw chicken has touched them. oh. bill: absolutely, huh? you may think americans have a very low opinion of the government these days but how about this low? a new "gallup poll" finds american satisfaction with washington at 18%. that number, one, eight, is the lowest rating in gallup's history of asking that question. that goes back to 1971. i don't know what my two guests were doing in 1971. they were probably not even born. el enequals former senior visor to house leader nancy pelosi. mary catherine ham. good morning to both of you. mary catherine, start. 18%, does that surprise you? the. part of it doesn't surprise me the way it gone back and forth. >> i'm not sure i'm surprised.

a little bit what is going on people are seeing dysfunction more often and they're going like, i don't like how this is going. a lot of people blame this wholly on tea party republicans but if you look at the situation this is ironic legacy of barack obama's era, people have lost faith in government, when he was the guy who stood up said my magical words and touch will make this thing work the way it is supposed to work. that is not the way it worked out. i would not just submit just because of opposition. it is because the president is particularly bad at working with opposition. we've seen it over and over again. he is good convincing people to elect him. after that point not so much. bill: i found another number from ap i will share from the white house in a moment. what do you think about mary catherine's point, ellen? >> not surprising i adisagree. if you look at the last time people were felt we're going in as wrong a direction today, it was just at the end of the bush term when lehman brothers collapsed and we had the fiscal meltdown. barack obama was still a candidate at that point.

and everything he has done in his presidency was to try to address that sort of instability and get us back on the right track. bill: her point he would lift all boats. you eleg me and we'll --, skies will heal and. >> in 2010 we throughout 63 democrats and, that is when i left speaker pelosi's office. so it is be careful what you wish for situation. now the country has about 30 folks in congress that have ground everything to a halt. >> wait, wait. let me -- bill: poll numbers. >> he was whining when he had 60 democrats in the senate. you can't whine when you had that situation going on. if your utopia is held up by 30 people that don't have a different opinion from you maybe the plan for utopia is flawed. bill: fire every member of that. 60% of people say that. that number changes when elections come around. we'll see if people truly vote

that way come next november. here is another poll we found. associated press. this is approval number for independents of president. it is at 16%. mary catherine, that emphasizes the point you're making. 16%. >> yeah. i think when people look at the situation, and, a lot of this has happened on barack obama's watch, i know, ellen wants to go back to the bush years as the president likes to because things have gone badly on his watch as well, these things have happened while he has been in office, been in office for a long time when this governing crisis to crisis he condemns keeps going on. independents are not particularly excited to be -- bill: i think, everybody including republicans thought they would get the blame. certainly they have in large measure for what is with this whole shutdown deal. democrats in a lost this polling but what this found, ellen, according to the ap, people don't believe the president is decisive or strong or honest or reasonable or inspiring.

wow? >> you found a poll that says that but the big news this morning in washington was really the nbc/"wall street journal" poll, republican and democratic pollster said was jaw-dropping how far the republican party brand dropped in the last week as a result of the shutdown. the tea party three points lower than that but the president is 23 points higher and democrats are 15 points higher. so you can cherry-pick a poll -- bill: i'm not cherry-picking. fair and balanced. four out of five described gop unlikeable, dishonest, lack compassion and inspiring or innovative either. mary catherine -- >> the point he never thought he would take a hit. frankly when they look at government, him overseeing a government closing down national parks to make things more painful at them, this they are ticked off at government which doesn't work for liberal president. bill: thank you you both. ellen, mary catherine thanks as well. martha: nobody seems to like anybody right now.

this man has been at center of the heat really for the tea party and the effort that he made with a filibuster to defund obamacare. so he is at the value voters summit right now, speaking and we're going to keep a close eye on that. we'll let you know if there is anything worthy we want to replay for you right after the break. plus, he, he survived captivity in the hands of somali pirates and being played in the movie about his life by tom hanks. we'll talk to the real captain phillips. this movie is getting a ton of attention. it opens tonight. >> the ship's broken. we had to go -- >> nobody can -- hey. look at me. >> sure. >> look at me. >> sure. >> i'm the captain now. female announcer: save up to 35%

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martha: we are back. senator ted cruz has taken the floor at the values voters summit today. moments ago they escort ad protester out of the audience there. let's listen to this for a minute. >> understand the power when people rise up, ultimately sovereignty resides in one place and one place only, it is our constitution. it is with we the people. [applause] and i'm going to suggest a model for how we turn this country around. in the next couple of years. and it is the model that we have been following together for the last couple of months. to stop that train wreck that disaster, that nightmare, that is obamacare. [applause]

i don't know how many of y'all remember the movie "usual suspects." in that movie they describe the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the world he didn't exist. [shouting] you know what, i'm curious? is anybody left at the organizing for america headquarters? [applause] i'm actually glad that the president whole political staff is here instead of doing mischief in the country. [cheers and applause] in the movie "usual suspects",

they say the greatest trick the devil ever played is to convince the world he didn't exist. you know what the the greatest k the left ever played is to convince conservatives we can not win. [applause] the media will tell us that believing in free market values, believing in the constitution, believing in freedom, those are extreme views. it is a lie. if it were not a lie, why do some democrats when they're running pretend to be conservatives? [applause] for that matter, why do so many republicans do the same? [applause] the values each and everyone of us are defending, are values

that every small town, every family, every small business is understood in this country for centuries. that is what we're defending. that is what we're defending. [shouting] the. martha: protester in the crowd while senator ted cruz is speaking. he made a comment a moment ago, saying is everybody from organizing for america out of the office today and in the room with him protesting? he has been sort of walking back and forth across the stage which is his style, that is why the camera was having hard time finding him at moments. he was not in the podium this is way to speak for the people. he will work over next couple years he said, interesting time frame, to turn things around in this country and get rid of the nightmare that is obamacare is what he had to say. will he run for president over those next couple years is a big question people have about ted

cruz today. bill: he continues there. the obamacare website continues to. called everything from disaster to a train wreck. has it gotten any better now two weeks old? we'll check. martha: and this scene, sticks in the minds of so many americans this week. john mccain, the senator, will be with us moments from now. waffle bars. ryan, your hotels' robes are fabulous. i have twelve of them. twelve? shhhh, i'm worth it& what i'm trying to say is, it's so hard to pick just one of you, so i'm choosing all of you with hotels.com. a loyalty program that requires no loyalty. plus members can win a free night every day only at hotels.com

martha: deal or no deal, folks. senate republicans head into the white house this morning, it is their turn to try to figure out a way out of this whole thing. will they be able to hammer out anything on the debt ceiling and on the budget? it's the shutdown has now in day 11 on this friday morning. welcome, everybody, hour two now of "america's newsroom," i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hemmer. there's a lot coming down the pike. the meeting at the white house happens about 60 minutes from now, no word on whether the president will agree the short-term proposal that raises the debt ceiling for the next six weeks.

where would we be without hope? some lawmakers. >> i've been in probably eight or nine meetings with the president, relatively speaking, i would say this one was more constructive and useful, but the bottom line is the president didn't say no, the president didn't say yes to our offer to begin negotiations, to create a little bit of negotiating space on the debt ceiling, to begin negotiations on the funding bill. so, you know, it took a long time to get to the point where the president says i'm not ready to say yes, i'm not ready to say no. bill: well, they're talking. chief white house correspondent ed henry is on the north lawn. good day to you, where are we at the moment? >> reporter: bill, at this moment we'll take maybe, okay? that is a step forward for both these sides. as you know, they hadn't even really been talking, and i think what's significant in where we are is they're inching towards a

deal. i stress inching because they don't have anything in hand yet, but you noted senate republicans coming over in an hour. that would be the fourth caucus that the president's sat down with in the last 48 hours or so. and what was significant, i'm told, at this meeting in the roosevelt room last night -- lasted about an hour and a half with house republicans -- the president did not say no. there were initial reports saying he rejected the house republican offer out of hand, but i'm told that's not what happened. the president said let's tweak this, can you go back, the house republicans said they would do that, and after these various meetings both democrats and republicans were stressing how constructive they were. take a listen. >> let's wait and see what the house does. when they send us something, we'll look at it as clearly and as closely as we can. you should the same determination -- under the same determination that we've made, open the government. >> the most important part, i thought, is instead of talking through tv to one another, we're talking with one another, and i thought that was very good.

>> reporter: bottom line is for the president his position of saying i'm not going to negotiate clearly was not going to be sustainable for the long term, he's also taking a hit on the military death benefit issue, and then for republicans you've seen a series of polls suggesting that their strategy of tying the president's health care law to the shutdown has not worked out for them. so both sides, frankly, are feeling pressure to do something. i think the biggest sticking point right now is boehner put on the table extending the debt ceiling for six weeks but not reopening the government. that's something the president, democrats like harry reid want to be part of this conversation. bill: inching. still got a long way to go. the other big story, the white house appeared to change its tune when the president signed that bill to pay military death benefits last night. >> reporter: that's right. bill: what have you been able to nail down as to what the white house knew and when, ed? >> reporter: for two straight days in the briefing i asked jay carney when the president actually found out that this military death benefit would not

be covered, and for two days he wouldn't say. so that's a big question mark. some officials have privately suggested to me that the president and his top aides knew several days ago, and that raises the question of why they didn't move quicker, and the other issue is jay carney suggested to me and others that the president wasn't going to sign this law because fisher house, the charity, had already stepped forward to pay, so this bill didn't need to be signed into law. >> it does mean we don't need legislation. and, again, we go from day-to-day, and we discover new, terrible consequences of shutdown. and when they get attention, lawmakers rush to propose a fix when there is an obvious available fix to avoid all of these negative consequences. open the government. >> reporter: now, that's been jay carney's broader point for days which is if the goth hadn't been shut down, we wouldn't be

having this conversation. chuck hagel decided on his own without the white house to bring back about 3,000 civil defense employees. why couldn't they do this on their won't without congress? bill: ed, in a world, is this a long weekend? >> reporter: i think maybe. bill: into next week? >> reporter: the question to me is what happens after the senate republican meeting. i think it's likely we hear from the president this afternoon. based on that, we would then know are they going to try to finish it over the weekend or take a breath and come back? my sense is they finish it monday or tuesday. bill: ed henry on the north lawn. martha: well, the republican meeting, we just heard senator ted cruz moments ago who's clearly the most controversial figure in this debate say that he's headed to the white house this afternoon. he will be there to meet with the president according to what he just said when that small group of senate republicans sits down in the white house to try to hammer this thing out. he was joking oh, i'm

going over to the white house, if you don't see me again, you'll know what happened or send out a search party or something to that effect. let's bring in chris stirewalt now, host of "power play" on foxnews.com. sounds like ted cruz is headed to the white house. wouldn't you like to be a fly on the wall during that meeting? some. >> no. i would like to stay as far away from that as possible. [laughter] lots of politicians and lots of people very upset today because what's happening now, martha, is shutdown fatigue. both sides are getting ground down. tempers are getting short, anxiety is getting high, republicans are taking a big hit, and the president's taking a hit. it's not sustainable. martha: it is not sustainable. and look at those numbers and really the american people appear to be more disgusted with everybody from the president to republicans to democrats in congress than they really have ever been in the course of looking at these numbers. so one of the points of debate,

and it gets very complicated obviously, is whether or not the cr would be separated from the debt ceiling. this appears to be the one bit of leverage that some republicans think they still have over the president because they know how desperately the white house wants to get this whole shutdown thing over with, right? tell us how you think that plays out. >> well, you and -- ed was talking about it a minute ago which was this, the president doesn't want to continue to face pressure to reopen or reestablish specific services that are out there. that's not what they're into because they've now set a dangerous precedent for the administration which was in signing that military death benefit plan they know that more are coming. harry reid took the responsibility, he swallowed the poison pill of having to be the one that was sitting on the ball when the government shut down. so he already did that. now he's forcing his own members to resist and hold the line when it comes to not turning on these

government services that republicans are trying to do. they can't keep that up. so the president wants the government reopened so that they don't have to face those punishing political choices as he had to face yesterday on funding the military benefits. so he's got to get that out of the way. martha: piece by piece, and you've got governors who will say we'll pay our own way, it's a mess. this whole thing is such a mess which i think is the clearest thing to everybody at home. >> yes. martha: what are you thinking about, you know, henry was asked by bill what do you think happens this weekend or whether or not the wheels are many if motion or whether or not the go to p is kind of taking a step back and saying, all right, guys, let's get together and figure out what our strategy is. are we going to allow these two things to be separated and hold firm or put them together and hope we get some kind of reduction deal in the debtsome. >> the frustration among republicans with ted cruz because they thought they might be able to win a delay in obamacare because of all the

problems with the implementation and it's been such a disaster, they thought they might be able to do that, so now they have to come to terms with getting less on obamacare. because of the gambit to defund it, they're not going to be able to delay it, so republicans have to wrap their heads around they're going to get less out of the deal on obamacare when they finally reopen the government. what exactly that's going to be, how long does it take to come up with what the ask is on obamacare, i think, i think it'll take into next week. martha: yeah. it's tricky because, you know, when you don't get the thing that you say you're going to hang in there for which was delaying obamacare, now they're digging back into their pocket and saying, well, maybe deficit reduction, maybe something in the six months, let's see, what exactly do we want? we'll see how that goes over the weekend. chris, thank you so much. >> you bet. martha: everybody visit the politics page from fox news if first, go to foxnews.com/fox news first and just put your e-mail address in there, and you will get it.

bill: bill also hit up our twitter page here @marsha maccallum -- martha maccallum. we were talking about how the markets are getting hammered and everybody kind of feels that right now in their 401(k) and a lot of people on tv made the case that when wall street talks, the politicians listen. well, the markets are up again today, up about 52 points in trading, this after, what, a 300-point gain yesterday. you just wonder how this is playing in -- martha: seems like wall street is sensing a deal is in the works, and wall street cares more about the perception of stability more than underlying fundamentals going forward, but they seem to be pleased something may be breaking. bill: ten minutes past the hour. new calls for someone to be fired after this military death benefits debacle. senator john mccain calls the whole issue a national disgrace. >> what do the american people

think when they see that death benefit for those who served and sacrificed in the most honorable way are not even, their families are not even eligible for death benefits? i'm ashamed. bill: that was senator mccain from yesterday. this is senator mccain today. he will be live with us from the hill in a matter of moments, and we shall talk with him. martha: and there are new reports that embattled irs official sarah hall ingram visited the white house 155 times. nobody goes that often. what was she doing there? we're going to talk about that. and this -- >> potential price situation. >> alabama, you should alert your crews to get your -- [inaudible] follow lockdown procedures. >> yeah. is that it? >> i'm relaying your transmission now. >> they're not here to fish. bill: that movie based on the

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bill: fox news alert, want to get you back down to washington. the values summit is underway, senator rand paul from kentucky, some of the biggest names in the conservative movement gathering today. the values voters summit, it happens every year, and when senator paul makes news, we'll bring that to you. watched ted cruz moments ago, and so the big names are there that are on the docket for 2016. martha: that's right. so critics are now accusing the obama administration of withholding death benefits from military families for political reasons during this shutdown. president obama signed a bill last night to restore these funds, but one veteran says that he thinks that that was too little, too late. captain pete hegsa is hear last night on "the kelly file." >> veterans and military families from the beginning of

the shutdown have been political pawns from the world war ii memorial, blocking veterans from the va benefits and talking about how horrible it's going to be for veterans immediately to this. they've been using them, and it's an absolute outrage. we're putting war bid coes in the cross -- widows in the crosshairs. someone should be fired because anyone who looks at this country and understands what it represents and what it means to sacrifice sees this at the very least the baseline of what we do for our families. martha: i'm joined now by arizona senator john mccain who is, of course, a decorated war hero and was held as a p.o.w. for five years, has been very outspoken on this issue on the floor of the senate yesterday. he joins me now. senator mccain, thank you so much for being with us. it's always great to have you, sir. >> thank you, martha. martha: you know, i've heard a lot of veterans so emotional to the point of tears over this issue. talk to me about how you think

this has been handled by the white house? >> i think it's been terribly handled by the white house, but let's have a little straight talk, martha. they wouldn't have had the opportunity to handle it that way if we had not shut down the government on a fool's errand that we were not going to accomplish. the whole premise of shutting down the government was a repeal of obamacare. i fought against obamacare harder than any of the people who wanted to shut could down te government. i campaigned all over this country in 2012 saying elect mitt romney, and we'll repeal and replace obamacare. we weren't going to defund obamacare, and so we shut down the government, and then that gave the opportunity for this to be terribly, awfully mismanaged and mishandled by the white house. if we hadn't shut down the government, this wouldn't have happened, and they shut down the government with a fool's e rand that would not -- errand that would not succeed, and that's a fact. martha: we were just watching a couple of seconds a moment ago of the values voters summit,

senator ted cruz says he's on his way to the white house right now to talk to the president. will you be in that meeting? what do you think about that? how do you feel about him representing you all there? [laughter] >> first of all, martha, please. he's not representing us there. the republican senators are going over to meet with the president, which which i wish the president had asked us to come over a week ago. i think it's unconscionable that the president has not negotiated with us, because he understands that he has the advantage. look at "the wall street journal" poll. "wall street journal" is not a liberal organization. look at "the wall street journal" poll this morning. 24% of the american people approve of republicans. that's an all-time low. we'd better wake up. and we ought to understand that we could get a positive agenda for america, we can win the next election and get majorities in both houses and that way we can

repeal and replace obamacare. so we're in serious situation right here, and we'd better wake up, and we'd better try to come to an agreement, salvaging something out of this but get the government going again and get our grand canyon open again where we're having to fly food up to people who are employees of the concessionaries up there. martha: what would you ask for, senator? what would you want in return? >> i would want to fix the medical devices bill. on the debt limit -- martha: do you think the president will vote for that? >> i don't know, but we ought to ask for it rather than saying we have to defund obamacare. and paul ryan yesterday in "the wall street journal" had a good set of requirements that had to do with entitlement reform and other reforms that we could be asking for that are achievable. but the funding obamacare is not achievable. so let's not delude our

supporters by telling them that it is under the present circumstances because elections have consequences. martha: yeah. well, now what we've got is, you know, there was this going out on this limb to say that it's all going to be about defunding obamacare. >> right. martha: so now the republican party finds itself in a position of saying, okay, what's our next negotiation thing? what do we want? do we want to defund the medical devices tax? repeal that? do we want to get some tax reform going here? it looks like a scramble. >> it is. it is. because we initially shut down the government on the premise that somehow we would be able to defund obamacare. and there were some of us who said what you're asking for is not possible, particularly those of us who fought before some of these other people were ever in the senate. i fought for 25 days in 2009, i fought all across this country during the 2012 campaign to

replace and repeal obamacare. and so on the debt limit now there are things that we could negotiate with the president about, some entitlement reform, some tax reforms, things that are achievable. defunding obamacare is not one of them. martha: well, we'll see. you know, how the package gets put together. >> i guarantee it. you know, not only will you see, i guarantee it. martha: all right. let me ask you one more thing about this military families issue before i go. >> sure. martha: some people believe chuck hagel needs to go because he is the captain of the ship in this case. what do you think? >> i -- the only secretary, nominee for secretary nominee of defense was chuck hagel. but this is not a reason for him to resign. everybody should be accountable, held accountable for it. but shouldn't the people who created this situation where we shut down the government where they were able to take advantage, shouldn't they be held accountable too?

-under-par march senator, thank you so much. always a pleasure to talk to you. we'll see you next time. >> thank you. bill: putting the obamacare web site to the test two weeks in. what really happens when you go online and try to enroll? you will find out next.

♪ ♪ bill: by now you've heard plenty of stories about the rollout of the obamacare web site on october 1. we're two weeks in now, so how hard is it? we sent peter doocy online to check it out for himself, and this is what peter came back with. >> reporter: we now know the u.s. government spent more than $500 million to build the healthcare.gov database, five times higher than the original estimate. this pricey web site has been plagued by technical glitches ever since its october 1st launch, even taken totally

offline one night for improvements. so we wanted to see if things are any better now. click virginia, apply now. let's get started. i first entered my full maim and e-mail, created a user name and password, then answered three security questions. but on the next screen -- important, your account couldn't be created at this time. the system is unavailable. so i tried again. now it's telling me that my account could not be created at this time, the user name already exists. okay. maybe the third time will be the charm? no. and now experts are saying problems like this could have been easily avoided. >> it's written as if it were created by people who had never created a database web application before. >> reporter: after a third unsuccessful attempt to create an account, i entered the live chat. he's telling me that i need to return in off-peak hours, he says somewhere between 11 p.m.

and midnight. healthcare.gov has a phone number as well. doocy. but that operator told me it's against their policy to create accounts over the phone, so i just needed to keep trying. the system is unavailable, sir. i had no luck creating accounts in new jersey or pennsylvania either but had no problem at united health care's web site, a private company where a quote was available in 29 seconds. can the federal marketplace ever be that efficient? >> this can be fixed in a very short period of time, and it wouldn't necessarily be that expensive. >> reporter: here at healthcare.gov, they say you can get covered in four easy steps, but nine days after the big rollout i tried and tried and tried and tried and couldn't even complete step one. in washington, peter doocy, fox news. bill: ooh. martha: good thing peter's still young enough maybe to be on mom and dad's policy. [laughter] bill: but not for much longer.

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♪ ♪ bill: the woman in charge of implementing obamacare at the irs is now being called out following reports that she was at the white house 155 times. that's a lot of lunches, folks. sarah hall ingram reportedly met with a top white house official with whom she exchanged confidential taxpayer information over e-mail. why does this happen? dr. ben carson, professor of neurosurgery at johns hopkins university and now a fox news contributor, welcome to the team here. >> thank you very much. bill: 155 times. make sense of that. >> well, you know, the interesting thing is some of these transgressions are so blatant that you would have to be, you know, completely almost in coma not to recognize that there's something wrong here.

but the thing that that, to me, is most concerning is the fact that the irs -- who is clearly compromised here -- is going to be in charge of enforcement of obamacare. and we don't seem to be all that alarmed about it. we say, yeah, they're under investigation by the house ways and means committee, so what. all right, maybe they're wrong, maybe they did bad things, maybe they're going to continue to do bad things, but let's put them in charge anyway. no problem. bill: 100 -- well, the way it's written up here, the deputy assistant for health policy, a woman named jeannie -- i don't recognize her name -- but you just wonder what they were doing. and keep in mind what her job was before the new job. >> yeah, exactly. bill: she was the one who, apparently, had some role in targeting people on behalf of the irs. >> well, i think what we have to do -- in a way it's good that this is happening because, you know, it's so blatant, it's so

in your face that i think even those who are slumbering might start to scratch their heads and say, wait a minute, what is happening here? you know, this is supposed to be a country that is for, of and by the people. the government is taking over, probing into every little detail of your life like big brother, and we're just going to say, ho-hum, well, it shouldn't have happened, but no big deal. who won the game last night? you know, this is not the right attitude. i'm very happy to see, you know, truckers and other people starting to say, excuse me, is there a constitution in this country? are there some rules that we're supposed to be obeying? and, you know, when the tea party started saying that, they were demonized, of course, and i suspect the truckers will be too. but demonization, that's what you do when you're a lin skyite, that's okay. bill: when you were on with megyn the other night, you had suggested that the implementation of obamacare in

itself marks a fundamental shift between the people and the government. what did you mean by that? >> yes. well, because the most important thing that you have is your health care, and if that is under the control of the government, then it fundamentally gives them a great deal of power over you. the people are supposed to be at the pinnacle, and the system that we have, and now we're willingly placing the government in charge. and, you know, vladimir eleven insaid that -- lenin said that socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the social state. what he meant by that is if you're attempting to change a system into a socialist state, then you need to get control of health care. this is, this is not complex. this is straight out there. some people will try to make it seem, oh, that's ridiculous, how could you possibly evoke the name of lenin. how could you possibly not?

how could you possibly not be aware of history and aware of social change? bill: the other point you made is you become more government centric as opposed to people centric, the government's driving decisions and not you as an individual. >> exactly. bill: what do you think of the rollout? you know, you're two weeks in now, what do you think? >> i was just talking to somebody who said they went on the web site, and they finally got through, and it was asking for all kinds of personal information including about your voting and do you need to be registered. you know, things that really don't have a whole lot to do with health care. it really does make you wonder. and the fact that it's been so complex, so difficult, and they've had three years to get the computer registration under control. they can't do that. how are they going to possibly deal with millions and millions of people's medical records? i mean, anybody who thinks that this is all of a sudden going to straighten out and everything's going to be wonderful is drinking the cool -- kool-aid.

bill: dr. ben carson, or it's good to have you on the team. >> thank you. bill: thank you, sir. out of washington. martha? martha: here's a question most of us will never have to contemplate, what's it like to have tom hanks play you on the big screen? we're going to ask the real captain phillips. what a hero and what a movie this is, folks, when we come back. >> you've got the crew! don't get in -- >> get them off the ship! [bleep] >> all right, all right, send them on in, i'm coming out. >> send them in. >> let him go.

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listen up. we have been boarded by armed pirates. march parr oh, my gosh. that is one of the most frightening moments in this movie. that's a clip from "captain phillips." it opens today, it's the real-life survival story of the american crew hijacked by four somali pirates in 2009, held hostage for five days -- not just the distance of a two hour movie -- they were there for five days when they were then rescued by the navy seals and, boy, is it glorious when they show up, let me tell you. the man whose experience this movie is based on, captain phillips. good to have you, sir. you're a hero. you saved everybody on the ship. this is such a rivetting story, as i said. what was it like the first time you saw it, reliving it this way? >> the movie itself i had

actually seen it before i went back to work this past june. it wasn't completely finished, but it was a good movie, and i was concerned about it being a good movie and portraying it accurately. and i thought it did a good job at doing that. the only problem i had is that for the name, captain phillips, it was more than captain phillips on that, it was 18 other men in my crew who cemented a positive outcome for then and martha: they pulled together, but you were clearly their leader. even that moment that we just saw, when they're in this little boat, these pirates, and they're trying to hoist this ladder that they've sautered together up over the side of this enormous ship, i couldn't believe that they were able to get it up on side. do you remember that thinking, oh, my god, they're coming onboard? >> oh, yeah. i wish it was sauters, not welded. unfortunately, it was welded.

it was a perfect day. i remember having coffee with my chief mate, shane murphy, who's now a sailing captain and did a great job during the actual incident. we both said, boy, we can't wait for the monsoon to change so this weather deteriorates. it was a perfect day. it was no swell running, very little wind, and seas were flat and glossy. martha: what was it like to have tom hanks play you? >> well, he's a great actor, a great guy. i met him a few times. martha: you guys had deli sandwiches. >> yes, we had roast beef with lettuce, tomato, onion -- he's a regular guy who doesn't really take himself seriously but takes his work seriously. martha: was it odd to see yourself portrayed on the big screen? it must be. >> well, it was a little weird. he looks a little different. the only advice i gave him was he had to gain a little weight and get a little better looking. [laughter] martha: you know, i'll let you in on one of the moments from the t movie, because i could

keep going on here, but let's play a bit of the movie so you folks at home can see it. >> the ship's broken. we had to -- >> nobody gets in. >> hey! >> look at me. >> sure. >> look at me. >> sure. >> i'm the captain now. martha: i'm telling you, these guys are pretty good. >> oh, yeah, he did an excellent job. it was the eyes that i saw of the actual pirate. martha: really? >> yeah. martha: i mean, there are so many moments when those two men, tom hanks and the man that plays, muse, is that what his name was? >> yep. martha: they look at each other. how would you describe that relationship with that lead pirate during the course of your ordeal? >> very much like a scene we just saw there when they first got on the ship. in tom hanks' eyes i can see the

fear i had in my own eyes, and i could see actually behind his eyes him trying to regain some control. i basically lost all control and somehow trying to figure out ways to gain back some control and no matter how small -- because he was really in control. and then in his eyes you can see he was committed. he was going through with his plan, and he wasn't going to give up, you could see that. martha: he's a remarkable actor, first-time actor who plays muse in this movie. he's going to get a ton of attention for it. i want to get your thoughts on being in the lifeboat because all of us watched you rocking around in the ocean, and we're all thinking how's going to end? there's a moment when you yell out the opening to everybody, i'm in seat 15, right? >> i didn't really yell out i was in seat 15. our seats weren't marked. the navy would come by in rib boats, rigid, inflatable boats, and they would give us batteries for radio, water, food, but

they'd always check where i was, and i would make sure i was in the same seat. i felt that was important. and if i wasn't, sometimes they were playing mind games, we were tying knots and fooling around with me, i would say i sit right there, this is where i sit to the navy. so they always knew where i was sitting, and i thought that was important. martha: yeah. was there -- i'm sure there were many moments when you thought you were never going to get home to see your family again. what was that like? >> i didn't see after the first day after seeing how committed they were and they weren't going to give up, and i told them the navy's never going to give them money, you can let me go or this'll never end. they would tell me i would die in somali and they would die in america meaning that they'd die from a u.s. navy bullet. they were admitted. they were not -- committed, they were not going to give in, and it was just, basically, two portions coming together -- forces coming together and trying to win out. martha: i think one of the most reimaginer bl things is the moment when he's rescued, when

he's portraying you as being rescued, and you sit on that stretch enwhen they're checking you out, and he has this emotional response to being free, to being relieved, to knowing that it's over. what did you feel like when you watched that part of the movie? did it accurately portray how you felt when you knew you were okay? >> well, it actually took me a while before i realized i was safe and i was alive and i made it out of there. it was actually when i was being hoisted up to the main deck. i didn't have that time until i was alone, actually, that second and third night i was back on the bane bridge from the boxer, and i would wake up at five in the morning. digital clock, i was in the captain's war room next to the bridge, and there was a digital clock, and i would wake up out of a sound sleep just balling and crying like a baby, and that went on for two nights. the seals -- everybody thinks they're he-men and capable, but the biggest things they have is

their intelligence, their brain. these are intelligent brains, and this one seal just would not leave me alone. he made me talk to a seal psychologist, and that was one thing he explained, just let it flow, let it go, and the next morning i woke up at five in the morning out of a sound sleep just sitting in my rack, and i cried for about 45 minutes, and it stopped and never happened again. martha: good for you. you found wells of courage that i'm sure you never knew existed. i urge everybody to see it, it's terrific. captain phillips, thank you very much. great to have you here. >> thanks for having me. bill: and you're skinnier than tom hanks. [laughter] martha: better looking though, right? >> i am better looking. bill: welcome home. jon scott's coming up in a matter of moments here. "happening now." good morning to you. got to put that movie on my list. it is shutdown day 11 if you're counting. finally, there is some progress to report. democrats and republicans talked through the night, and senate

leaders are meeting at the white house today. we will have the news as it happens. plus, the political fallout from this mess in d.c. no winners on capitol hill with record low approval ratings. is that helping drive the deal? and has the messy rollout of obamacare gotten a free pass because of the shutdown coverage? judy miller and kirsten powers are here on that. and the schizophrenic behavior of iran. talk about negotiation, while bragging about missile launches. it's all coming up, "happening now". bill: you've got a packed show. see you at the top to of the ho. our veteran war correspondent goes into a war zone here in the u.s. stevesteve harrigan with in onef the most dangerous cities in the u.s., we will tell you where that is, next.

bill: fox news correspondent with combat zone experience is taking us inside the most dangerous places you will find here at home. today he is in detroit. fbi crime statistics show that that city has the highest homicide rate in nearly 20 years. in 2012 detroit had the second highest violent crime rate among large cities in the u.s., putting its homicide rate at about 54 per 100,000 people. steve harrigan's live in detroit now to tell us how dangerous is it, steve? >> reporter: bill, one of the factors that makes things in detroit so dangerous especially for the police are these abandoned houses, more than 78,000 of them. and they're often overtaken by drug gangs, criminal lords. we went out with police watching them knock in doors and pull people out of these houses, but even hardened veterans of the police force like the chief tell us that the kind of criminal that they're seeing today is just more brutal than anyone they've seen in the past. >> the violent predators that we

see today not just here in detroit, but across the country, they tend to be more aggressive especially towards law enforcement. >> reporter: one of the crimes that's been getting a lot of attention here is an attack at a gas station. it happened on a monday amp in broad daylight, the beating of a 64-year-old man lasted more than a minute, and no one stepped in to intervene. bill: we've heard a lot about a stray dog problem. how bad is that, steve? >> anywhere from 30-50,000 stray dogs in detroit. they really breed in those abandoned houses. there's also a culture here of dog fighting, almost a thousand serious bites last year, and it really shows the city doesn't have things under control. they've got just four dogcatchers for the entire city. they pull in and put down almost 15,000 dogs a year, bill. bill: steve harrigan live in detroit today. we will see you at your next stop when that happens. thank you, steve. martha: that's a grim story. all right, so this fox news

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ownone of only two surviving original astronauts on the apollo mission and he passed away. he died yesterday from complications of a stroke. he was one of the original mercury 7 astronauts and served as john glenn's backup for the first manned spaceflight. this is the early days of the program. he went up for the second mission. he went on to become the only american to explore space and depths of the ocean as well. he is a true explorer. scott carpenter gone at 88. i. bill: what a life he had. an american hero. we salute him for all of that. senate republicans will be at the white house in a mere moment here. martha: how are the meeting going? hi, guys. time to come in. it is your turn. we'll get it all straightened out. we'll see how it goes. busy week. a lot more coming up next week. meantime we'll let "happening now" take it over as they get rolling right now.

jenna right knew we have brand new stories and breaking news. jon: president obama does an about-face on military death benefits. why he signed a bill to care for the families of dead soldiers after the white house said it wasn't necessary. brand new developments in the brazen attack by a gang of bikers in new york city. the undercover police officer we told you about who was riding with the gang due in court today. it is all "happening now." jon: what a way to end what's been a pretty chaotic week. the president is about to meet with republican senators at the white house. in fact those members are just arriving there to try to reach a deal to reopen government and end the debt ceiling