and for all of you fighting to be anything but victims. that's our show. see you next week. hello, everybody i'm greg jarrett. welcome to a brand new hour inside america's news headquarters. >> i'm arthel neville. no deal. the senate blocking another effort to end the government shutdown. what this could mean for the nation's looming debt crises. >> the grand canyon reopens for business. coming up we'll show you how individual states are now taking matters into their own hands by opening this and other national monuments at their own expense. >> also it was 25 years ago this

week when then vice president george h. bush and his democratic rival governor michael dukakis metaphor their second presidential debate. coming up we'll speak with someone who was there that night about the moment that ended up becoming a major turning point in that election. but first the latest on the budget show down in washington, d.c. congress wrapping up yet another saturday session with no deal in sight. this after the white house today reject ad plan by house republicans to partially reopen the government. and at the same time democrats in the u.s. senate failed to defeat a gop filibuster of their plan to extend the nation's borrowing limit through next year. we go live to washington with more. hi, doug. >> reporter: leading senate democrats just wrapped up a meeting with president obama in the oval office about 15 minutes ago in attendance there was senate majority leader harry reid also senators patty murray, dick durbin and chuck schumer.

no word on what was discussed but it followed yet another day of little to no progress on capitol hill. three proposals all met with failure up here today. on the house side republicans left their caucus meeting late this morning with palpable disappointment upon learning president obama rejected out of hand the paul ryan proposal which would have extended the debt ceiling for a few weeks while attempting to tack tell long term drivers of our deficit spending such as medicare and social security. listen up. >> you've heard already we met apparently we're getting a bait and switch strategy from the white house. >> we're standing firm. the president want as blank check. no deal as far as we're concerned. >> reporter: and on the senate side, two proposals met with failure, senate democrats rejected formally reject ad proposal by moderate republican susan collins of maine that would have funded the government for six months.

it would have ended the cr crisis. it would have extended the debt limit until january 31st of the year 2014. it would have delayed the medical device tax for another two years. here's majority leader reid after the democrats rejected the collins proposal. >> i appreciate her efforts as always to find a consensus. but the plan that she suggested that i've seen in writing is not going to go any place at this stage. >> reporter: but notice he said at the vend at this stage. perhaps leaves a little bit of wiggle room. in fact collins continues network on this proposal. she says it has broad bipartisan support. there's a work group of six republicans and six democrats who had two meetings today on it. collins late today after the rejection of this proposal issued a statement which said quote these meetings were constructive and give me hope that a bipartisan solution to reopen government and prevent

default is within our reach. so perhaps there's still a little bit of hope there. but another failure occurred today when reid was unable to muster up the 60 votes that were necessary to pass clean debt ceiling increase. he was very disappointed with that. at this stage in the game on this particular saturday all-important parties have gone home for the night. again, no progress made. >> harry reid seemed so shocked, absolutely shocked he didn't get the votes. all right. doug, thanks. you know despite the shutdown several states are reopening our most famous landmarks after striking deals with the feds. states like arizona, letting tourists back into the grand canyon and new york where starting tomorrow it will open the statue of liberty to visitors once again. we go live to los angeles with how other states are taking similar actions. hi, dominic. >> reporter: a lot of work is

being done. usually around 18,000 people visit the grand canyon a day. generally it's a million dollars for the local economy. a fraction of that number turned out today once the gates reopened but it was reopened for business and we note this is after seeing monumental efforts from arizona's governor to get the gates back open. jan brewer found money from state coffers and went to local donors to pump up the 650 million to keep the park open for the next week or so. she blasted congress for putting her state in this predicament and insisted there was no way arizona could front the government for long. >> the government, the feds, they turned around a wrong handed decision to not allow us to do this and we won. we better get something resolved

at the federal level. >> in colorado people were back on the famous trail reach road leading to estes park. colorado tourist trade has been suffering since the government shut down. the state will cover the $40,000 a day to keep the area open as this area has to recover from historic floods. >> it's like we took one punch from the floods, got up and we're doing good and then bam we just got hit by another one from congress. >> and another state south dakota where mount rushmore will reopen first thing monday morning. that's going to cost around $15,200 daily. local businesses and organizations have been compelled to throw money into the pot after the state government set up what it described as a buy a day of operations for the monument. it's not just state bail out now it really is private money that is also bailing out the federal

government. back to you. >> thank you very much. i want to remind you you can hear much more about the latest developments on the budget showdown by tuning in to fox news sunday tomorrow when host chris wallace sits down for an exclusive interview with senators joe manchin and bob corker and jim jordan. again that's tomorrow only on the fox news channel. check your local listings for times. >> after days of controversy over what many are describing as a national disgrace, the department of defense now saying that the families of service members killed since the shutdown began will begin receiving the death benefits they are owed. as early as next week. here's more from washington. >> reporter: the president signing into law a bill allowing the defense department to resume paying death benefits to families of fallen soldiers. this taking pressure off the fisher house, a military related charity group that stepped up to the plate this week offering to pay the benefits including the

$100,000 payment. pentagon press secretary george little sent a release and it reads with congress no longer preventing dod from making payments to the families directly he's pleased that the dod will be able to fulfill its responsibilities. the administration said this could have been avoided if congress didn't shut down the government. >> the suffering and inconvenience could have been avoided and can be avoid in the future if the congress, the house would simply reopen the government. >> during the gop weekly address, however, the chairman of the house arms services committee said the house has been passing legislationing to restore funding to military families but programs nationwide putting an to end the steal mate that's captivated the country. >> it's about ensuring our troops in harm's way and their families are taken care of the same way they take care of us here at home. preserving the american dream.

that's what this is really about. >> secretary chuck hagel saying he remains deeply concerned about the impact of the ongoing shutdown and what it's doing to department operations. back to you. >> it's been a bumpy road since the roll out of the obama care website. consumers hoping to sign up for the health care exchanges, they have been met with technical glitches and delays from heavy traffic. the obama administration says it's working to make improvements but now it seems the problems just may go beyond the initial registration process there. so mollie has the details. >> reporter: the insurance companies are having problems getting accurate reports from healthercare.gov. these companies are not sure who is signing up for what and when. that's according to "the washington post" which cites blue cross and blue shield and cigna as having these type of problems. cigna can't trust the information from the health care

exchanges that's supposed to indicate if a consumer qualifies for tax subsidies to purchase insurance. this leads to more confusion for americans who are facing penalties next year if they don't have health insurance. >> now they are trying to do this with threat of the fact that you're going to get fined and pay a fine for not being able to successfully to do something you can't do. why don't we delay the fines. delay the individual man date as you did for big business. the employer mandate. you can work to get this together. it's unfair to put the american people in a position that they simply can't succeed or win. that's what's happening. >> reporter: the obama administration says the sheer volume of people trying to logon and shop for insurance plans indicates how important the law is to the country. and the white house acknowledges that glitches were to be expected. >> i'm not saying that this is a situation that doesn't need fixing. it does.

which is why we're making improvements every day. people working overnight to make those improvements to the website. what is absolutely the case and you've seen it reported across the country is that americans are finding out that they have for the first time affordable health insurance available to them. >> one problem that may have been rectified it's now possible to shop around on the website and get general price quotes for health insurance plans without going through what's become a time consuming task of trying create an account. >> thank you so much for that report. by the way the fate of obama karaoke rest with hispanics as one-third of the nation's uninsured are latino. we'll have more on this key demographic coming up in a live report. >> the issue of jurisdiction over american force remains a major source of contention between the united states and afghanistan. two sides currently working on a

security pact ahead of next year's withdrawal but have not been able to see eye to eye on just who should be allowed to prosecute u.s. troops when they are accused of committing crimes in afghanistan. secretary of state john kerry saying afghanistan has now sent that very issue before the country's parliament and a national council of elders. take a listen. >> but the question of jurisdiction, is it an appropriate one for the president to submit and we have high confidence that the people of afghanistan will see the benefits that exist in this agreement. but we need to say that if the issue of jurisdiction can not be resolved, then unfortunately there cannot be a bilateral security agreement. >> meanwhile u.s. force in afghanistan have captured senior pakistani taliban commander. a member of an extremist group

that claims responsibility for the failed times square bombing back in 2010 and vows to attack america again. a deputy spokesperson for the state department says the group has also attacked u.s. diplomats and quote countless civilians in pakistan. >> the top secret fisa court green lighting yet another round of nsa surveillance. this court of course requires the spy agency to reapply for authorization to carry out sweeping data collection every few months. the policy was certainly one of the biggest bomb shells revealed by nsa leaker edward snowden this summer. in the meantime snowden make a public appearance for the first time in months. wikileaks posting video of him speaking while in russia warning the dangers of government surveillance programs. take a listen. >> they hurt our economy. they hurt our country. they limit our ability to speak and think and live and be

creative, to have relationships. and they are going -- this doesn't make us more safe it makes us less safe. >> snowden has been granted asylum in russia but faces espionage charges here in the united states. >> south dakota police say the 2-year-old son of a pro football star was beaten to death by his mother's boyfriend. the toddler is the son of minnesota vikings and last year lead mvp adrian peterson. the child assaulted on wednesday and died from his injuries yesterday in a sioux falls hospital. the man audiotape accused of committing this heinous attack is in jail. police charging joseph patterson with aggravated assault and battery of an infant. >> nine teenagers missing from a new mexico youth ranch is safe at home. a spokesperson saying that crews searched the property yesterday.

they are looking for evidence of alleged abuse at that unlie sensed camp. neither the teenagers or program operator were at the 30,000 acre compound. chandler is considered a person of interest in this case. he's previously denied claims that the teens were ever harmed. consumer sentiment sinks to its lowest level in years. how the government shutdown is affecting the economy and why experts say the timing could not be worse. >> and a powerful typhoon leaving at least 13 people dead in the philippines. the latest on the damages. and you know that sinking feeling you get when you're away from your home and your cell phone goes capooth. we got tans. a look at the best wireless charging pads on the market. it's coming up in "consumer reports". [ susan ] ...as though he had never left.

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time for a quick check of the headlines. the nypd is looking for five more people in connection with the brutal attack on the driver

an suv. eight bikers have been charged in the case including an undercover police detective. a sightseeing train colliding with a truck. one person killed. 23 others injured. that crash under investigation. well a new york city couple whose children were allegedly murdered by their nanny have welcomed a baby boy. kevin and marie also have another little girl now who is not at home at the time of the attack. well the clock is ticking fast. we're entering the third week of the federal government shutdown and if congress and the white house can't reach and agreement by this wednesday we'll default on our debt. but what does this all really mean on a practical level? here to discuss this with us is the chief congressional correspondent for the "washington examiner."

susan, thanks for coming on and to answer some basic questions for us. we have smart viewers but sometimes it gets confusing. ready? so first of all, why is the government partially shut down? >> well because the republicans and democrats cannot agree on how to fund the government, the fiscal year started on october 1st and up need known get the government operating. they couldn't agree on how much to put into running the government, and they also couldn't agree on whether or not to fund the new health care law within all that federal spending. those two issues, how much to spend on government and whether or not to fund this big new entitlement program which is the new health care law. they can't agree on that and until they do the government doesn't have any money to operate. >> then so is it kind of like the government is going to max out its credit cards next thursday october 17th and then the president is asking congress to increase the credit limit and so then if you can tell us what's the negative impact if

that doesn't happen, and how does it benefit the country and the credit rating of the country if the credit limit is increased? >> that's what's interesting about that because not only have we not opened the government with our own spending bill we have to borrow money to keep paying our bills that we already incurred and that's with the daily treasury statement we're up against it. they are shuffling funds around to get us through mid-november. some people think it will get us through the end of the month or later. what that means we'll only be taking in tax money and that will give us some of the money we need but it won't give us all of the money we need. we have to prioritize spending but paying back our debt. there's no argument about that. a lot of times you hear the president say we'll end up defaulting. we won't default. we'll pay those bills. but not enough known pay fofrg. so you shake the markets because

it looks like we don't have the situation under control here. the debt ceiling is what's really scaring the markets right now and it's scaring on the international level, countries look at us, what's happening with the united states when they can't look as if they are paying their bills on time. that's a real problem in terms of our image. we could end up with a credit downgrade and that would be very bad for us when we go to borrow money. we have to pay higher interest. that would make our debt bigger. it spirals out of control. we got to raise that limit and we got to do it in a way, reign in the spending too. >> this didn't happen overnight. when did the government start spending, you know, and start to spiral out of control and what do we use the money for? >> right. i think what really set us off was, of course, the wars in afghanistan and iraq which ultimately will cost up to $6 trillion. that's a huge factor in our

debt. the tax cut cost us money because that's money not coming in to treasury. but they also promote economic growth so there's two sides so whether or not those are good or mad. there's medicaid, medicare spending. food stamp spending over the past ten years, it would cost $700 billion. it's increased 135% just over the past four years. the main drivers though are health care and the increasing cost of that through medicare, medicaid, things like that. it's getting out of control and growing past ouring weight of economic growth. so it's unsustainable in other words. it's been happening pretty much for the past decade. >> now it's at the brink of having to really do something about it. let me ask you one other question, susan, before i let you go and that is who do we owe? who are our debtors. >> right. a variety of debtors. we own a lot of our own debt.

there's a misnomer to say china owns our debt. we own our debt and other countries own our debt. china is the top of the list who we biofrom. other countries loan us money. so we owe a variety of people not just china. we owe them the bulk of the borrowing money. >> susan, thank you for stopping by and taking time to break it all down for us. >> sure. >> all right, thanks. technical snafu affecting people on food stamps across the country. we'll tell you why people who need a helping hand just are not getting it. and one simple answer, one presidential dream shattered. we remember a milestone moment in american political history 25 years hence. when you have diabetes like i do, getting the right nutrition isn't always easy. first, i want a way to help minimize my blood sugar spikes. then, a way to support heart health.

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time now for news. white house meeting coming after the senate failed on a test vote to approve legislation that would have raised the debt ceiling for one year. still no deal. 12 days after the government shutdown. >> the grand canyon is welcoming tourists. arizona striking a deal with the federal government to reopen the national park which is supposed to close due to government shutdown. >> people in 17 states unable to use food stamp debit card. they are saying the problems began after a routine check resulted in a failure. users can expect the system to be restored quote soon whatever that means. >> success or failure of obama karaoke rest in the hands of millions of hispanics. one-third of the nation's uninsured are latino. making the demographic key in

make being the health care exchange system work. brian, what's going on? >> reporter: it's true. latinos stand to gain the most from the affordable care act. 10 million hispanics are eligible for benefits. the obama administration needs them just as badly. there are 15 million uninsured latinos in the united states. that means one out of every three americans is hispanic. >> hispanics are the most likely to be uninsured because we work in jobs that don't offer it or we're independent contractors. additionally we live in states that if you work and earn some income you won't be eligible for any public program so the bottom line we're working people who work in jobs and still can't get health insurance. >> latinos are the country's youngest population with a median age of 27. enrolling young people vital for the online health exchanges.

the white house says it needs nearly 3 million young and healthy people to enroll to keep premiums from rising. >> when the insurers come back to price premiums next january 1st they are going to make the premiums reflect the pool of enrollees that they get and if the pool of enrollees that they get is relatively sick and expensive it will make the premiums be higher. >> but enrolling uninsured hispanics comes with its own set of challenges like making sure there are enough bilingual navigators to assist in filling out applications. undocumented immigrants don't qualify. and the spanish website can't enroll people until at least october 21st. the white house is relying also on grassroot efforts from 30 hispanic organizations and businesses to educate the community. >> brian, thank you very much. consumer sentiment

plummeting to a point not seen since the aftermath of hurricane katrina. economists are blaming the budget stalemate on capitol hill saying it's timing coming so close to the end of the year could land our economy in the path of a perfect storm. what does that mean? a financial adviser and founder of helpsavemydollars.com. people think those in washington acting like children, acting for political gain and not in tint of the american public. is that what's really driving the lack of confidence the plummeting confidence? >> it really is. when you look at the consumer sentiment it's at its lowest level since the start of the year and the mess in washington is really to blame. in fact economists predict this government shutdown will take away a tenth of a percentage point away from gdp per week.

also the personal financial outlook dropped 11% in october and we're seeing this gridlock in washington have major psychological effects on the market. >> consumers still feel we're in a recession. >> it does feel like one. there are several consumer sentiment indexes out there and one of them is actually at a level you would normally see after a major natural disaster, after a major international political crisis. consumers are feeling the pirj when it comes to washington who is completely turning their heads to the american people. >> we're around the corner from the holiday shopping season as we mentioned in the intro. this will hit retailers pretty hard. >> you have hundreds of thousands of workers out of work. they are not going to be able to go out and spend like they normally would. this comes on top of lackluster expectations for the holiday shopping season. holiday sales are expected to rise 5.4%. we saw that number last year.

so not much of an improvement there. >> we keep track of or the government keeps track of credit card purchases. what has it done? >> we just got that data. over the past three months credit card balances dropped $6 billion and about 17% below their pre-recession levels of july 2008. any time we see consumers scale back their credit card usage they are risk adverse. >> a lot of fear mongering going on out there. the president talking about default on the debt. john steele gordon writes about business and economics. he's written a book on the history of national debt. here's what he said. default is nothing more than a failure to pay the interest and principal due on a debt timely manner. failure to raise the debt ceiling would not prevent the government from paying the interest on the debt which amounts to only about 8% of revenues nor would it prevent

the government from rolling over the existing debt which it does routinely. so, people including the president says the sky is falling, we're going to default on our debt that's just not true s-it? >> the point is we don't know what would happen in a default we never had one. people say interest rates will rise if we default. if you take a look at the ten year treasury yield curve it's been on a decline in the past few days and that determines tint rates that consumers care about like credit cards, mortgage, auto loans. investors know the fed will continue that quantitative easing program and now with the appointment of janet yellen she's very concerned about dealing with the unemployment crisis and wall street thinks she will not only continue quantitative easing but rely on it morrison than ben bernanke. >> but back to the point of defaulting on our debt. sure we might be delinquent to

some creditor but for our debt roll over the principal and countries and others who hold our debt and we looked at late of them would say yes. they want to get paid all of their dollars, not 50 cents on a dollar. they will say yes on rolling over the principal and easily pay tint. >> it's more of a psychological impact on the global markets. if we default that undermines the u.s.'s role in the global economic recovery and if we do default we have to reprioritize our debt and someone will get left out and that could risk our country for yet another credit rating downgrade. >> we can't default. it would be in violation of the constitution, 14th amendment. our debt is sacrosanct. the president has an obligation to make those payments. thanks very much for being with us. a massive cyclone forcing hundreds of thousands of people from their homes. coming up we'll tell you where it happened more dramatic video

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time for a quick check of the headlines. typhoon sweeping across the philippines flooding villages and farms killing at least 13 people. i want mate landfall late last night knocking out power to six province. five have been killed as a massive cyclone slams into india. high waves have been pounding the eastern coastline sending sea water surging in them. the search is on for more victims of that capsized ship in the mediterranean. three dozen people have drowned near malta. 300 survivors were rescued. many were escaping the civil war in syria. it was a sound bite heard around the country becoming a pivotal moment in american politics. this weekend marks 25 years since the presidential debate between then vice president george h.w. bush and democratic governor michael dukakis of

massachusetts. bernard shaw asked dukakis if he would change his stance to support the death penalty if his wife kitty were raped and murder. the answer gave the election to bush on a silver platter. take a listen. >> if kitty dukakis were raped and murdered, would you favor an irrevocable death penalty for the killer? >> no, i don't, bernard. i oppose the death penalty during all of my life. i don't see any evidence that it's a deterrent and i think there are better and more effective ways to deal with violent crime. >> let's talk about that night with fox news contributor, the professor of law and science at usc who was michael dukakis campaign manager. were you expecting that answer? >> no. that wasn't the answer i was expecting the question. we knew some kind of a question like that was going to come in

the debate. there had been a lot of discussion in that campaign about crime and crime is a values issue and also a lot of criticism that dukakis was too cold, too cool, not human enough. so with the help of our campaign chairman who happened to be the governor of arkansas, bill clinton, we had rehearsed many times what was supposed to be the answer and the answer was supposed to start with governor dukakis saying, you know, i know what it's like to be the victim of crime. my brother, his brother was killed by a hit-and-run driver, left at the side of the road. my father, again, his father was a doctor who was robbed and, you know, gagged and tied up in his medical office. intruders were stealing and robbing him for drugs. then he was supposed to go on and say in a clinton had rehearsed it. but when you're a chief executive you have to make tough

calls, we're a nation of laws not as men and that was the answer. and dukakis had practiced it, we all practiced it. the problem was when the question came he didn't see that that was what we used to call the passion question and so instead of saying what i just said and communicating that he understood the crime issue as a values issue and that he was a person of great emotional strength he came across, frankly, as being sort of cold and it was a political disaster. >> i wonder did it shake up the governor for the remainder of the debate, susan? >> well, he knew he made a mistake. he had been ill that day. he had the flu. he was off his game. to be perfectly honest once that question came and was answered the rest of the debate really didn't matter. i was sitting right in back with

a bunch of very large donors who were looking at me and saying that was really bad. wasn't it? and, you know, what do you say? i felt very badly for governor dukakis that night because he's a very decent man. and he just got caught. it ended the campaign for all intents and purposes. >> as we said earlier, turnpike campaign manager, you were there. i want to pull up a shot from back then. it was after the debate. once the debate was over, governor dukakis walks off stage alone and you were the first person to see him. how did that encounter go? >> you know, i was right behind. i knew it was terrible. he knew it was terrible. i knew it was going to be tough on him. i got ahead and went right behind where you're looking at that stage. i was right on the other sirksd right behind it. he came up to me and he literally said i'm sorry.

i blew it. and i said, you don't need to apologize to me. you know, it was a tough night. and the last thing you need to do is be sorry, say your sorry to me. it was just one of those tough nights. he had done well in the first debate. he was a man of principle. he wasn't much for negative campaigning which was very much what a lot of people thought he should be doing. and he knew better than anybody et cetera howl important that debate was that we needed to get some momentum. we were a couple of points behind going into the debate and then that night the numbers just sank. i remember clinton called me at about 2:00 in the morning and said he had been at a fundraiser. he said what happened? i said you saw what happened. i mean he just missed the question. >> when was the last time you spoke to the governor and how is he doing? >> he's doing well. i haven't talked to him recently but i hear he's doing very well. look he's a very honorable

person and a very decent guy. and, you know, politics is just -- '88 was a very tough campaign and he was someone -- he and i fought a lot about this as he did with others. he didn't want to run a negative campaign. he didn't want to do the kind of attack ads that are now customary. in fact, initially i got my job as campaign manager because i took over in '87 from an old and good friend of mine because he had leaked something to the press. i mean if you look at it now you say come on. people do worst things. he had strong values, strong moral core. maybe not made for presidential politics. >> maybe not. by the way it's good to see you. i didn't want to interrupt the flow there at the top of our interview. so thank you very much, susan. we'll talk to you next time. >> good to see you. >> you can read susan's

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pretty much everyone has a cell phone these days and we all know what a pain it is when the battery dies and no place to plug it in. >> fortunately "consumer reports" has us covered with a look at the best wireless charging pads. joining us now, terry sullivan electronics editor for consumers reports. you brought three examples you reviewed. >> the duracell pad is for iphone products. so basically it works by coupling and basically it allows one circuit to go through a magnetic field to the phone and charge them up. the magnetic actually works into

this. yot pull and get it just in the right area and a little sound. it's nice. under $80. $70. but it's only for iran phones. down side of this is you have to get cases for this. now there's an extra $50 for an iphone 5 and 4s. 26 bucks. a little bit more. like on my phone i have a big case on it already. so that's the one down side. >> the energizer, what about that? >> this one is for android devices and you can also have it for ios devices as well but the ios device can't work unless you have a screen for it. this can do two products at once. it also -- it will give you and indication but you have to get it just right to get it where the icon of where it's charging. >> but in any case this is $75 and it gives you a little light

on top when it's charging. >> okay. then this final panasonic. >> this allows you to charge two device. there's a little, looks like a little kind of like rotating stars. what that does, it binds the device. it can do two but not two at once. it fully charges one and then goes to the other. >> can you do an iphone and android. >> if you want an ios phone you have to get a sleeve for it. the android phones have chips built in already. newer phones have that. the iphones don't have that. >> if you have the sleeve -- flik have an android or your husband and wife has the iphone -- >> exactly. >> waterproof, water-resistant as well. >> all right. thank you.

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. moments ago a high level meeting at the white house ended. lawmakers filing out of the people's house. first were told it was all off the record. democrats in the senate issued an on the record statement saying it was quota very productive meeting with the president and they are fully united and moving forward. it is day 12 of the partial government shutdown in washington. apparently we'll need a player's card for the game going on in washington. a few hours ago democratic senator diane feinstein of california declared there was no way forward. now apparently there is. aside from the shut down there's our nation's enormous debt and the bore roger limit