>> exactly. >> true, true. >> tomorrow on our program, fried mac and cheeseburger, also cheryl casone with the top five companies hiring right now. >> and if you want to know if your government is open for business, you got to watch us. >> that's right. thank you, guys on a new week, on a monday, fox news alert because the anger is spilling over in washington, d.c. [shouting] >> shame on you! >> usa! usa! bill: there are hundreds of veterans tearing down the barricades at the world war ii memorial with protesters carrying those bates all the way to the white house. they stacked them up one on top of the hour. lawmakers takeing a step back toward as deal on the nation's spending. many folks thought they had it together on saturday. here they are on monday morning. resolution is not at hand. welcome to "america's newsroom."

>> i did, hope you did too. i'm martha maccallum. for a while things looked pretty promising in these negotiations over the weekend but then, you know washington, they stepped in and took care of that. watch this. >> i think we're in status quote. i do think we will see our way through this but the last 24 hours have not been good. >> leadership must lead and basically we're in crisis mode right now. we should not be here. there is no way it is acceptable for this government to be shut down. this is self-inflicted pain on millions of people. this sun necessary. martha: maybe so. everybody wants their pound of flesh in this deal. the senate democrats are the ones playing hard ball right now. they're saying no deal unless republicans agree to higher levels of government spending. bill: we'll see if that idea goes anywhere. team fox coverage. peter doocy on the protests in washington and across the country. we start with stuart varney of "varney & company." good morning to you. >> good morning, bill.

bill: what do democrats want? >> they want to reverse or restructure the sequester cuts. those were across the board spending cuts imposed earlier this year as a direct result of that standoff. democrats don't like the cuts, they want them ended or restructured. they want to spend more money. that is the new sticking point in the argument how much we spend in the future. bill: this came up in the last 4hours. interesting strategy. three days until the so-called debt limit is reached. how is the market reacting and what do you expect in 2minutes, stuart? >> i'm going to say that the dow jones industrial average will be down about 100 points at the opening bell in 20 minutes time. that is not a catastrophe. that is not a market tanking. that is a fairly muted response from wall street because of this stalemate. the point is the stalemate is over future spending, not really about future borrowing. that is the time frame. that's the deadline of wednesday

evening, october the 16th. we go into thursday with no deal on debt. that will be something that wall street really would pay much closer attention to. to sum it up, bill, a muted response 20 minutes from now but still a dow down. bill: politicians listen to markets. you watch that this week. >> that would put pressure to get a deal on the table. bill: we've seen it before. thank you, stuart. see you at 9:20 on the fox business network. thank you, my friend. martha. martha: are these new demands from the democrats too much? tell us what you think. send us a tweet @marthamaccallum or @billhemmer. tennessee senator bock corker is one of the republicans most eager to make a deal. you saw him with chris wallace over the weekend. we'll talk to him today what is being called a really crucial day for today. a lot of high hopes. bill: the senate already rejecting a plan brought by republican senator susan collins from maine that could have ended this whole mess. even though it did not fly,

senator collins said it's a good first step. >> i certainly didn't expect the plan developinged my colleagues is anything set in stone. we continue to work and modify it and broaden support. but i wouldn't be surprised if elements of it form the basis for the compromise that finally brings this impasse to an end. bill: looks lonely in that big hall, doesn't it? her plan would have funded the government for six months, extended the debt limit through january of next year. martha: meanwhile lindsey graham raising new concerns about his chamber passing a budget and a debt ceiling deal that the majority of the house gop won't support, putting speaker john boehner perhaps at risk. watch. >> if you want to go on offense it has to come from the house. the last thing i want to see happen is a bad bill pass the senate that goes to the house where majority of democrats vote for it and minority of republicans vote for it, putting john boehner's speakership at risk.

nobody in the country should want to lose john boehn as speaker. martha: graham going on to say he will not vote for any plan that he thinks can't get a majority of the republicans in the house. let's go back to these protests that happened over the weekend in washington. thousands of veterans pushing past the metal barricades, carrying them as they marched in some instances, really dramatic instances, came out of this, to see veterans marching towards the white house and in protest and complaint. very, very dramatic. peter doocy live for news washington. peter, what was the scene really like down there yesterday? >> reporter: martha, the crowd there at the world war ii memorial was very enthusiastic but they were also very upset. when the barricades were broken apart first thing in the morning, only visible park police presence stayed across the street and watched as the barricades were piled high outside of the memorial. the veterans participating were from across the country. a few even slept in their cars

on the mall saturday night. there was some concern from veterans about their own benefits being cut during the shutdown. however most of the thought was being given to vets who couldn't be there and their families. >> there is no place to go past america. they shut these things down and if the veterans are quiet, the last bastion of americanism that this country has. this place goes to the ash heap of history. do not let that happen. it rests on you. civil disobedience, no violence. do it right. do it smart. >> these are open-air memorials, very little cost if any to the federal government. these are for our honored war dead. we're not going to stand by to let this happen. >> reporter: here in d.c. from the world war ii memorial some protesters walked west to the lincoln memorial to remove barricades. others marched up 17th street to the white house.

most participated for most of the day. martha: that is speaker is former navy seal ben smith, rallying folks. there were protests outside of the ones we see here that were connected across the country, right, peter. >> reporter: organizers called this a million vet march. they wanted people across the country to go to the local war memorials like gettysburg to protest the shut down government treated military. other places we saw protests, texas, south carolina, north carolina, virginia and pennsylvania at valley forge. >> this is like the boston tea party all over again at the valley forge park. >> people died and shed blood here to keep something like this. now they want, government wants to keep everybody out. >> reporter: a vet in d.c. reminded me, martha, memorials are where the living go to talk to the dead. if there are barricades around a memorial, they see that as the government trying to keep them from paying respect to their

fallen friends. martha: really bad situation. you have to love the jogger. really cost the government a lot when someone goes for a run-through a national park. they ticketed 100 dal for jogging in a national park. just incredible, peter. peter, thank you. see you later. bill: still we find a number of states digging into their own budgets to reopen some of our most famous landmarks. statue of liberty open to visitors again. new york not only state doing. visitors can go to the grand canyon in arizona after that state cut a deal to pay for it on its own. here is the governor of arizona, jan brewer. >> this attracts millions of visitors every year and i just refuse to let wrong-headed federal policy deprive tourists worldwide the opportunity to see this magnificent landscape. bill: governor brewer said arizona will use local money and private donations to keep the canyon open. they will reassesses if the

shutdown continues. they got creative in new york and creative in arizona. they got creative in utah as well. we'll add them up through the week. martha: no jogging. very expensive. don't be doing that. there is a security scare at a major airport and partial evacuation after an explosion inside of a terminal. we'll tell what you caused that. bill: the tearful message from the mother of this missing girl. what happened to abigail hernandez. the fbi is on this case. martha: clinging for life. did you see this over the weekend. a drawbridge goes up right and this woman was hanging from it. how did she get there and why it may not have been an accident. >> someone was yell, lady on the bridge, there was a lady on the bridge and stay on the bridge and hold on, not to jump or lock her niece.

martha: an explosion at lax brought out the bomb squad over the weekend. the fbi said it was actually dry

ice that blew up inside of a plastic bottle in an employee bathroom. what is up with that? no injuries were reported. the blast cause ad huge commotion. it delayed flights. everybody was scared it might be something worse. investigators are trying to figure out how dry ice ended up in the employee bathroom in the first place. >> i think it is not a good idea to go through the debt ceiling deadline. i think we should go ahead and have an agreement in advance that being said though i think it is also irresponsible for the president who as a senator voted not to raise the debt ceiling. it is irresponsible for him to scare people. he should be the opposite. the leader of the country should be soothing the markets saying we will always pay the interest on our debt. we have print of revenue. we bring in $250 billion a month and we have 20 billion in interest payments there is no reason to ever default. a good leader would be saying we will never default. bill: senator rand paul over the

weekend. harry reid is going a step further ending sequester cuts. republicans say that is not going anywhere. could this unravel now. senator bob corker with me from the hill. good morning to you. >> good morning, bill. bill: i saw you a bit earlier. you said we'll have a deal by the end of the day today. are you still going with that? >> i said i hope we have a deal. as you just mentioned, bills the problem is over the last 48 hours, democrats unbelievably have been wanting to break the budget caps put in place in 2011. i think you know this is the first time since 1955 and 6 we had two years in a row of reduce spending. obviously they don't like that. they took what they thought was, they thought they were in a better place than us and tried to take advantage of that, hopefully, that move has been brought back to the middle and if so, maybe we can move ahead today with an agreement. they certainly were overreaching. bill: couple questions here. why do you think harry reid was

going for this reversal of sequestration at the late hour? >> well, look, the democrats have made no, they have made it very clear that sequestration and the budget control act itself is something they do not like. i mean it is forcing reductions in spending. again, we've had that for two years in a re. republicans think this is what we need to do is control spending. i think they have thought we were in a weak place because of where this has gone regarding obamacare and trying to defund it and i think they were trying to take advantage of that of. i had conversations with. bill: everybody in washington knows that idea goes know where in the house. what was the motivation? >> i sure hope it goes nowhere and i hope it goes nowhere in the senate. i saw a number of people who are meeting to discuss this on both sides of the aisle. i told them please hang tough on the sequester.

the sequester, is the thing, bill, over time will get us to the table to do the right things we need to do with mandatory spending. the last thing we need to do is give up that terrain. i think senate democratic leaders have realized there is no way that senate republicans will agree to that and i think they are now backed into a place that may lead us to a conclusion to this in the senate anyway. then what happens in the house, bill, is anybody's guess. bill: rand paul, you may have just heard his comment there. he is suggesting that the president is scaring people. what do you think about that? >> well, i do agree with what rand said regarding the fact that the president of the united states should be that person that is that soothing voice, that should get people to sit down and talk. as you know, his position from day one has been, we're not going to negotiate. i just can not imagine being the commander-in-chief, the ceo, the president of a nation as great as ours, knowing that this is a

major issue to us, candidly and to the world and not being willing to sit down and negotiate and to say to people that we're going to move beyond this. so, again, bill, finally i think we may be on the right page today. i think we're moving there late last night and early this morning. maybe, maybe, we'll move beyond this. we do need to move beyond it. bill: so you think the deal gets done before thursday which is said to be the deadline, is that what you're saying? >> well, bill, you know, after you reach an agreement which hasn't been done yet it can take as many as four days to move a bill across the senate floor. then you have the house. i mean they will want to weigh into this. so, i still think it is dicey. again i have some optimism this morning that i did not have last night when i went to bed. but, again, reach an agreement, getting it written, getting it passed out of the senate and getting the house to respond,

that all takes time. the 17th is on thursday. and again, it was really a major distraction that democrats would want to try to bust the budget caps. the reason these, you have these forcing moments, bill, is to reduce spending, to put in place spending reforms that make our nation stronger. for them to have this move in the other direction was not helpful to this process. but again, we've got a few days. bill: i take your answer you're not sure at the moment? i respect that answer. >> i'm not sure. i have more optimism than i had yesterday. bill: one other point here. you said earlier that the environment in washington, d.c. is unlike anything you've ever seen. you are fairly new to washington, d.c. >> right. >> but what is it you see in the conflict back and forth that would lead to you describe it that way? >> well, it's the environment around this particular issue. you know we've gone through several episodes about this, bill and i've been pretty

clairvoyant predicting what the outcome is going to be. this is the most unpredictable state we've had around these kinds of issues since i've been here. we have had several episodes. that's what i mean. you've got an expectations game. i mean house republicans have been off on a push to, let's face it, undo a central piece of the president's agenda, to manage those expectations, to a place where we're focused on spending which is what i think we should have focused on all along. to get things to come together in the amount of time we have is an unusual place for to us be. i hope we're going to be successful making it there. bill: we'll see how clairvoyant you are on this one. >> thank you, sir. bill: for the moment you're spot on. bob corker, republican from tennessee. thank you. >> yes, sir. martha: check this out today. folks walking across a bridge to get on a ferry. look at this. they got the surprise of their lives. we're going to tell you where that happened next. bill: also a mother's desperate

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bill: this frightening scene in eastern china. a foot bridge collapsing sending dozens into the water right there. the visitors crossing a bridge to board a ferry. park employees throwing life rings to the victims. no one was killed. officials say at least 10 were injured. you wonder how deep the water is. eastern china, whoa. martha: not good. the fbi is now leading the search for abigail hernandez,

this teenager last seen on wednesday leaving her high school in north conway, new hampshire. as soon this surveillance footage. saturday was her 15th birthday. her mom is making this emotional plea. >> honey, please come home and we miss you so badly. think about you all the time. we want you back with us, please. and, we love you. we miss you. and,, happy birthday, abby. martha: laura engel live in our new york city newsroom. what do we know about the circumstances and why the fbi is involved? >> reporter: good morning, martha. according to police abigail hernandez made it home after leaving school on wednesday afternoon. when her mother returned to their home in conway, new hampshire, abigail was gone. police say the last call made from the cell phone from 6:30

that night but the phone has not been found. abby, as she is known, turned 15 on saturday. there was no sign of the teen with long brown hair. her mother, zenya, hernandez held the news conference a day after her birthday, beg egg her to come home. investigators are going through every lead. >> i can tell you we've been dealing with some 200 plus tips at this point. those tips of course are here in the area, throughout new hampshire, massachusetts, connecticut, and even as far as texas. >> reporter: the mom is asking her daughter's friend to come forward with any information that could help locate her and wants to know if any friend noticed any recent changes in her behavior as well. , martha. martha: what resources are they using to try to find her? >> reporter: they have a lost agencies involved here. local, state and federal agents as you mentioned have been searching by land, water and air. they have so far covered five square miles on land and looking at a local river and pond. the fbi is using child abduction

rapid deployment team and is pulling agents as far as away from virginia. medical examiner's office was called to the scene for two unrelated cases. police are handing out photos of abigail and stopping traffic. there are billboards up with abigail's image and a number to report timms. that number, 1-800-call-fbi. martha, bill. martha: where is she? laura, thank you very much. bill: as the wait continues. there is a couple on a weekend spin on their motorcycle. they got an up close and personal meeting with very friendly elk. he is no small guy. the elk would not leave them alone. i don't know if he was looking for a ride or looking for somebody to talk to. we're going to talk live with a woman on board this, this motorcycle. you will hear from her. go, go away. martha: watch that all day. there was this over the weekend. veterans outraged how they have been treated during the shutdown

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opening bell on wall street. could be a rough day for the markets. expect the dow to be down more than 100 points. nasdaq trading lower as well as we head into the third week of our shutdown. that partial shutdown in washington. threat of a government default coming up on thursday. it is earnings season as well so throw that into the mix and early reports are not fantastic when it comes to earnings. we'll watch it throughout the morning here on "america's newsroom." martha: many vets have had it with this government shutdown. [shouting] >> shame on a you! >> usa! usa! martha: chantchanting shame on a you and usa and piled barricades up in front of the white house after carrying them. protest went on in national landmarks over the weekend in gettysburg and valley forge. pail len and senator ted cruz

joined veterans at the world war ii memorial calling congress to get back to work. you. >> look around though, you see these barricade and you have to ask yourself, is this any way that a commander-in-chief would show his respect, his brattude to our military? this is a matter of shutdown priorities. our vets have proven that they have not been timid so we will not be timid in calling out any who would use our military, our vets as pawns in a political game. >> our veterans should be above politics. enough games! listen, i want each of you to think about the park rangers who served, who have been asked by their bosses to stand in the way of veterans and stop them from coming to this memorial.

that is not right. martha: more than that, new poll numbers show that the majority of americans basically just want to throw everybody out. kirsten powers, columnist for "the daily beast" and fox news contributor. brad blakeman, former deputy assistant to president george w. bush. welcome to both of you. happy monday. happy columbus day. kirsten, you say that is not true. that is not throw everybody, throw all the bums out sentiment in your opinion? >> no. i think americans are generally pretty unhappy with washington. that has been going on for a while and even the higher approval ratings of democrats are still nothing to get really excited about but they are quite a bit higher than republicans in pretty much every poll coming out. the other constant you see in the polls people blame government, blame the republicans for the shutdown. that includes even republicans blaming the republican party. you've seen the republican party taking some pretty big hits in their approval rating in a way you're not seeing with the democratic party. martha: brad, let's take a look

at some of these polls. i want to bring them back from the end of last week because they're very significant. this is president obama's approval rating. he is at 37%, very low number for him, the lowest we've seen in fact for him. look at this other number which we also showed viewers last week but i think is worth revisiting here this morning. this is president obama's approval rating among independents. in january it was at 48%. look at it now. 16% approval rating for the president. really a stunning number, brad. >> it is and if anything it shows two failures of the president. one is in his legacy. he is allowing things to occur under his watch that he will be pinned for. look, we've had 17 shutdowns since the time of gerald ford. nobody remembers who is the peeker is. they remember who the president was. for his legacy the president is hurting himself in the long term. in the short term the president's a lame duck. if the president continues on this path of not leading and insisting that others lead for him, or just abdicating to

pelosi and reid, he runs the danger of absolutely not getting anything done for this country, especially things he wants done. so in the long term he has his legacy. in the short term he will be pinned as lamest of ducks shortly. >> listen to the veterans, kirsten, an you think about the presidential opportunity for these moments to rise above. that is something people look the president to do to be magnanimous. fisher house, thank you very much. we don't need you to do the death benefits for our fallen. we're going to do that. that is what we need to do. and it feels to many like a missed opportunity and an unpresidential moment. >> well i don't know, i don't know enough about legalities on that issue. the defense department says their hands are tied for legal reasons and, i know that the president wants to fix it. i don't know what holds that up but i think we have to remember the reason th government is shut down and the reason the

government is shut down because of republicans. >> no, it isn't. come on. >> brad and i argue with you about it, of course it is. >> it is not. >> strategy to defund obamacare. >> you need to say one branch of government, house can bring down -- >> i won't argue with you about this there is nobody that thinks the republicans that didn't shut down the government. >> please. president's lack of leadership is the reason the government is shut down. president is no negotiation. >> not on planet earth it is not. >> why we are shut down and if we default it will be the president who precipitated this default by hiding in the white house and allowing others to -- >> president is not hiding. >> their leadership over the president's. >> president is not hiding. this is talking points. we know -- martha: kirsten, i want you to respond to this, we watched these meetings where the president brought everyone to the white house. that could have been that presidential moment i'm talking about a lot of americans are hankering for.

they want the president to roll up his sleeves and step in. what happened, when people walked out of the meeting says there is no change. the president made it clear. john cornyn said he lectured us once again. >> the president has a very reasonable position. open the government and then we'll talk. you can not -- martha: that is not, does anyone whoever negotiated anything in their lives once you give up all your chips then the deal-making is going to start. that is ridiculous. >> there is no negotiation. i've been saying this from the very beginning. republicans say we want to negotiate but when they say they want to negotiate, they said we're going to defund obamacare. that is not a negotiation. that is just hostage-taking. negotiation suggests that you will give something and get something. >> they were not defunding obamacare. >> oh, my god, really? they didn't want to defund obamacare. >> the president amended his own law himself exempting businesses. >> you're just distracting from reality. >> if the president can exempt businesses why not exempt

individuals? why should we be on the hook -- >> you don't think republicans don't want to defund obamacare? that is ridiculous. martha: i don't think that is what brad said. he was talking about the exemption given to the businesses and desire on part of some to say delay it all for people -- >> republicans don't want to defund obamacare? martha: well obviously they want to defund obamacare. they tried 38 times. they trade variation on a theme. >> they later shifted, after that fell flat, then they shifted to the mandate issue. martha: we're going to get into this more later. the bottom line there is a lot of people in this country who think we need to do something to have greater fiscal stability in the long-term. i think that is something that many americans feel is not being answered by either side in this debate. how do you create greater financial stability in these deal-making moments over the long term. that is what i think people have become so frustrated with washington about. >> i agree. martha: i will have to leave it there. kirsten, brad, thank you very much. >> thank you.

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♪ martha: so beautiful. that is one of the most beautiful, beautifully-sung songs ever, really and really difficult song to sing which i was telling bill hemmer during the break. dorothy, toto, all of their friend are all on display in a new exhibit at an art museum in maine, featuring items from the world's biggest "wizard of oz" collection. that is the hourglass. what is scarier than that hourglass when the witch flips it over when she flips it over and looks at dorothy to tell her how many she has left my little pretty. they have the ruby slippers and over 100 items. really cool stuff. how great to gather around the tv when you were a kid to watch that movie. bill: used to play at thanksgiving, right? for years played at thanksgiving. martha: i think it was march. whatever the hemmers watched it on thanksgiving. bill: we did. we sat there and marveled at

judy garland. a top irs official whether she should go to jail. sarah hall ingram accused of exchanging confidential taxpayer information with a senior white house official. this is all came up at a congressional hearing just last week. >> just look at that email real closely. you see where all the black print is? where it is all blacked out. there is number written on those blacked out areas. what is the number written there? can you say for the number is? >> for the release of the document -- >> 6103. >> 6103. so someone at the irs decided this was confidential taxpayer information and when we got these documents when, the committee got these documents, you know what, that is information you're not allowed to see, committee, yet it was fine for to you communicate to the white house, and release that information and give that information? bill: where are we now? jay sekulow is representing several groups who claim they were targeted for special scrutiny for their politics.

erick erickson, redstate.com editor and fox news contributor. good day to both of you. jay, explain why someone would give up confidential taxpayer information to the white house? why would that happen? >> i'll tell you why it happened. the white house was in litigation not just on the irs matter but the hhs, health and human services mandate of obamacare. it has been at issue and in litigation. we've had eight of those cases ourselves and what happened was, sarah hall ingram was asked about 155 times to visit the white house deputy in charge of the obamacare rollout including policy aspects of it. that 6103 or called confidential taxpayer information was shared with the white house. but, bill, look, this comes on the heels of the fact that the 6103 information was also shared with the federal election commission. different group of taxpayers in that case but this is a pattern that has taken place. that is why this week we're

amending our lawsuit for the third time because as this information comes out, now our cases a civil case. as these case, information, comes out we're amending the complaint to specify now more on what is called 6103 or unauthorized disclosures. bill: 6103 forbids an irs employee disclosing return information in any manner, as an employee. what is the punishment for that, jay, if proven? >> well, there is both civil aspect of it and a criminal aspect of it. felony under the code itself. that would be a job for the department of justice. they would have to do that. remember there is an ongoing fbi investigation. none of our clients have been contacted. any kind of criminality has to come from the justice department and fbi. that can't originate in a civil suit. bill: okay. >> the civil suit can allege a violation of 6103 and seek injunctive relief and civil damages which is what we're doing. bill: i still don't understand why you're exchanging taxpayer

information. >> no reason. they were doing it because they were trying to come up with their defense, bill, to the hhs cases and they wanted to know if these organizations were quote, really religious organizations or not because of possible exemption issues and first amendment free exercise of religion issues. that is why that information was given to the white house. bill: that clears some of that up. how big of a deal is this, eric? >> i think this is a pretty substantial deal. bill, there is an additional part of the picture here. remember there have been several conservative groups including the national organization of marriage, i believe the texas public policy foundation and several others have their information from the obama administration's irs leaked to third-party left-wing groups seen donors come under harrassment. irs is looking into tea party groups and auditing donors of this information. this is a bigger issue of harrassment from the irs. they're not just giving this information to the white house. they're have been several well-documented instances where they're giving it to third party groups opposed to the political activities of these groups and

then seeing those groups then turn around and harass the conservative groups and donors. bill: is the department of justice taking this seriously? >> to my knowledge they haven't -- bill: hang on, jay. >> -- different organizations. only thing i can tell you, bill, none of our clients have been contacted but i will also say the department of justice in motion they filed seeking additional time said the reason they needed additional time because of an ongoing criminal investigation. none of our clients have been contacted on this. that is why we're pushing so heavily on this -- to get injunctions and get exemptions issued. they have been pending three years. bill: eric, thank you. what does 24 do to level of confidence for americans when it deals with the irs, to trusting this organization knowing how deeply involved it is in obamacare and the enforcement of that law? >> right. bill, look, you don't have to go very far. the left likes to use great britain and canada as examples of brilliant health care

exchanges. in those countries the bureaucracy is run amok with privacy information. you don't have to look very far to see the bureaucracy in this country mishandling people's private confidential health information. you already see the irs looking it to -- leaking it to political opponents. those who say, oh, the obama administration would never do this, we had one american president do it, richard nixon. there doesn't same to be a lot of difference between what he did and this president. bill: 165 white house meetings with white house staff. jay sekulow, erick erickson, thank you to you as well, gentlemen. martha, what is next. martha: a boat out for a weekend capsized dozens boaters in miami. details on the rescue effort. bill: a drawbridge rising leaving a woman dangling in the air in that red coat. why would this be and ask yourself, is this for real? >> the track was down and they started walking out on to the bridge. at that point i hollered to them

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and i had like this four wheninch band of bumpsles it started on my back.e years. that came around to the front of my body. and the pain from it was- it was excruciating. i did not want anyone to brush into me to cause me more pain than i was already enduring. i wanted to just crawl up in a ball and just, just wait till it passed.

bill: this is not the way you want to end a party, folks. a boat now, party boat, sinking off the coast of miami. dozens are tossed into the water. roll it. these photos were taken minutes after it happened. homemade boat, homemade, wow. martha: maybe that was part of the problem. bill: could have been. it was carrying 32 when it went down. other boaters and coast guard rushed over and got everybody back to shore safely. >> suddenly the boat starts, you know, leaning forward, and, suddenly starts and starts to go down. >> you guys, move fast a little bit we're doing, this boat isn't enough to hold enough people.

bill: that looks like florida. the man at the helm of the boat could face charges we're told now. officials say he is not aness ared captain. we don't know if he built the thing at home. martha: good time was had by all. this is frightening scene when a woman on a charity walk got stuck clinging for her life from an open drawbridge. have you seen these pictures? bystanders caught the scene. look at this woman. it is incredible. they took pictures on the cell phones of course as everybody does when these kind of things happen these days. she was dangling 20 feet in the air. firefighters were called in to rescue her and save the day. steve harrigan, live in miami. steve, how on earth did this happen? >> reporter: martha, this woman was on a 5-k walk to raise money for breast cancer awareness. she wanted to take a shortcut home. she wanted to go over the bridge across the river. it is remotely controlled from

tallahassee. when the woman began to cross, horns were going off to warn her beforehand. there are no trespassing signs. it began to go up slowly 22 feet in the air. >> they were telling her to stay on to the bridge and hold on and not to jump, not to lock her knees. >> it was really upsetting. people here were crying and people were really concerned t was a great relief we found out she was okay. >> reporter: a crowd soon gathered, began taking cell phone video. that video went around the world pretty quickly, martha. martha: sure did, steve. how did they pull off the rescue? >> reporter: operators offered to lower that bridge immediately but fire rescue firefighters there on the scene quickly decided to use a 24-foot ladder instead. the entire rescue operation took 20 minutes. seems like the woman will face charges for trespassing, martha. martha: that is interesting. steve, thank you very much. bill: some people thought she was doing it for publicity.

if she were, you should see some of the photos of her up close. this woman is, has a look on her face, like, holy cow, how will i survive this thing. martha: unbelievable. thank goodness they were nehr biwith a 24-foot ladder. brought her down. bill: frustration over the deadlock in washington. what is the president doing in the middle of all this? ed henry live at the white house with info on that. martha: yes he is. a motorcycle chase with a pursuer on four legs, bill, not giving up. bill: keep going. come on, you can do it. a little closer. come on. martha: this is our favorite video of the day. ♪ ♪ ho ho ho

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martha: good morning, and welcome to day 14 in the government shutdown, and just

three days until we hit the so-called debt ceiling. still this morning looks like more than ever no deal in sight at this hour as we welcome you to a brand new hour of "america's newsroom." we're going to be here for another hour. bill: we are. whether you like it or not. i'm bill hemmer, good morning. democrats demanding republicans agree to increased spending before they agree to a deal. martha: now it's up to these two men, and word is that sometimes they don't get along that well. senate majority leader harry reid and minority leader mitch mcconnell. those talks between house republicans and the white house sputtered over the weekend, and both sides dug in their heels. >> they don't want to negotiate. we've offered, i think, 11 different bills either funding all or part of the government, and they haven't even debated them in the senate, let alone pass 'em. >> we can negotiate and talk all we want to after we reopen the government. as a matter of fact, you know, we can reopen the government and

have discussions over anything they want, but we've got to reopen the government and pay america's debts. martha: so we've got complete team coverage from the white house and capitol hill. we begin with ed henry. so, ed, what's the latest from the white house on this on where all of this stands? >> reporter: well, good morning, martha. the shocking development this morning is that there are no developments here at the white house or seemingly on capitol hill. we're only three days away until we reach the debt ceiling where the white house says we'll go into default, and all kinds of economic problems will ensue, that we may even go back into recession. so you'd assume you'd have the president and congressional leaders either at the white house or up on the hill figuring this out, but right now all is quiet here. in fact, when democratic senator joe manchin was asked yesterday by chris wallace on fox news sunday what exactly the president and senate majority leader harry reid want in these negotiations, here was the

surprising answer. >> do harry reid and president obama, do they want to compromise, or do they want surrender? >> well, i don't know what they want. they haven't detailed that enough for us. >> reporter: so the bottom line is a lot of people trying to divine where we are in all of this. right now the president's schedule is completely empty for columbus day, but you'll remember last week his schedule was empty just about every day, and practically every day he came out one day with a news conference, other days with statements. so when the time is right, we anticipate we might see him this afternoon if he feels like there's a push that needs to be put out there. but right now all is quiet, martha. martha: so interesting, ed, because in the past many some of these situations the person who's been able to kind of broker that deal has been vice president joe biden who literally feels unheard from in this entire situation. what's going on with that? >> reporter: well, you're right. because you'll remember in those so-called fiscal cliff negotiations back in last

december went right up into the wall there as well on new year's eve before we had a deal, it was joe biden on the democratic side, the vice president, working with mitch mcconnell on the republican side who was the key negotiator, and at the 11th hour, they came together. so far this time it's been reported that senate be majority leader harry reid demanded that vice president biden be kept on the sidelines because he's cut previous deals like that that democrats over time have thought joe biden gave away too much. so senator john mccain had this to say yesterday on cbs, a sort of where's waldo moment. >> i'm hopeful that we will get negotiations. i hope the president will become engaged. maybe we need to get joe biden out of the witness protection program. >> reporter: so maybe a light moment from john mccain, but on the other hand, maybe we need vice president t biden -- martha: a lot of people asking the same question, where is joe? ed, thank you very much. we'll see you next time. bill: the halls of the capitol building are quiet this morning, apparently both the house and

senate sleeping in today. i'm kidding. mike emanuel's live on the hill. where in the world are we now? hello. >> reporter: well, bill, the key seems to be that the senate's top leaders are talking, though i'm told by their offices there are no updates so far this morning. harry reid and mitch mcconnell spoke by phone yesterday amp, we're told the talk was cordial but inconclusive in that both leaders decided they would continue to speak to one another to try to hammer out a deal. at this point the calendar and the clock are becoming a factor. >> for us to suggest to the american people that we could defund obamacare, delay it for a year by shutting down the government, i think, was unrealistic. but having said that, president's response was i won't negotiate with you, you will raise the debt ceiling, and you will open up the government without any conditions is just an immature response. >> reporter: that's some of the frustration we've heard from lawmakers, others defend the strategy of going after

obamacare saying that the president's health care law is not being administered fairly, and so they think that was something, a noble fight worth taking up. bottom line, though, is there are great concerns with the clock really becoming a factor, bill. bill: just about a week ago, mike, you came on the air and told us what's striking to you is the lack of urgency on the hill. do you still sense that a with time running down? >> reporter: you know, bill, late friday night everybody seemed optimistic because there was a bipartisan deal in the works with senator susan collins of maine, and then over the weekend they talked about let's increase spending. well, that's a poison pill, so where do we stand? bottom line, they're running out of time. >> i still think it's dicey. again, i have some optimism this morning that i did not have last night when i went to bed, but again, reach an agreement, getting it written, getting it passed out of the senate and getting the house to respond,

that all takes time. the 17th is on thursday. >> reporter: so all eyes will be on the senate floor this afternoon when they come back into session to see if the leaders have anything to give encouragement about the possibility of a deal. bill: he's right about that. stuff takes time. the way he describes it, four days on the senate, then the house, what are they going to do? thank you, mike. mike emanuel on the hill. martha: back to that huge display of defiance that happened over the weekend. you had hundreds of fed-up military veterans storming the world war ii memorial in our nation's capital. former alaska governor sarah palin and senators mike lee and ted cruz were there to show their support. >> why are you down here at the memorial this morning? >> i'm here to, hopefully, help showhe veterans that america's heart for our veterans is immeasurable, and we think it's atrocious that our military is being used as political pawns in this for political gain, and we're going to change that. and we appreciate these guys who

are the good guys in the senate picking up the fight for us. but there are a few things that we can do to show our support, and that's why i'm here. >> senator lee? >> this belongs to the people, and we're here to show solidarity with them. this is not a tool to be used against them in a political fight. this is theirs. >> senator cruz? >> our veterans should be above politics. it is shameful that the administration is barricading and trying to shut down the memorials. weeks ago the house of representatives passed funding to open every memorial in this country, and president obama and the democrats are blocking it. they're trying to may game ins -- play games, and the american people know it. they need to come together and fix this problem and stop holding our veterans hostage. martha: catch that entire interview on tonight's "on the record" at 7 p.m. eastern only here on the fox news channel. you know, you look at those barricades and the people brought in to move them and put them in place, it has to take

more effort than it does just to leave the gates open and not have any gates at all, so really it's a head scratcher, and it does appear to have made it more difficult for people to get in there, and it clearly has hurt the feelings of a lot of people, and is that worth it? bill: our military too often are used as political pawns unfortunate. martha: sure is. bill: america's seniors won't be seeing much of an increase in their social security check for the second year in a row. an analysis by the ap finding next year's increase of 1.5% could be among the lowest we have seen in decades. average monthly social security check comes in this at $1162. next year's increase, $17 per month. gerri willis, host of the willis report on fox business network, with some answers. gerri, good morning to you. >> good morning. bill: what determines the increase or not in social security? >> it's all about the cost of living, right? it's all about inflation, and that's measured by the federal government.

here's the deal, cost of living increases 1.5% this year, one of the lowest ever. the average over the long term, over 4%. seniors are going to have to make do with that, some 58 million people. and it comes down to what is inflation doing in our economy. now, i have to tell you inflation has been low, and the measures they use to determine cola increases includes, for example, energy, but it sure doesn't include last week's announcement by the federal government that home heating oil and natural gas prices will rise causing seniors to pay more to heat their homes this winter. nor does it include the rising costs of food. so we've got a lot going on here. i know seniors out there are worried. bill? bill: 58 million among the retirees, the disabled workers, their spouses, their kids rely on this check. look at this on screen now, august inflation report. the housing costs up 2.3%, medical costs up 2.5%, utility 3.2, you just referred to that,

gerri, but the price of gasoline, so does that equal these two out? >> i don't think any senior you're going to talk to is going to say that their costs are going down. they feel it in the wallet every single day, and for the reasons you just described. and let's consider the other side of the balance sheet that they're facing. their savings are not doing well. low inflation means low returns on their savings. if you look at the returns on cds right now, it's .00 something, right? they're not making a lot of money on that. they're invested in bonds, bonds aren't returning a lot, so these folks are squeezed mightily. bill: i mean, listen, there was a time you could put your money in a cd, and that was your income. not now. hasn't been that way in almost five years. gerri, thank you, we'll see you at 7:00. filled up in ohio for $3.20. i was like, man, they're giving it away here, because we're still above $4 a gallon in the city. it was nice.

martha: go to ohio to get our gas. all right, so where's this thing heading? three days to go until the debt ceiling deadline. both sides seem to be pretty dug in. it's really quiet in the capital today, it's columbus day. we're going to talk to our fox news senior political analyst brit hume who is not taking the day off. bill: also, bob costas going off on the washington redskins saying the team's name is a slur. why some are saying the veteran sportscaster crossed the line again. did he? we will debate that fair and balanced minutes away. martha: plus, two home explosions just miles apart. what investigators think may be the cause. >> it sounded like an airplane went down. i just heard this huge explosion, and i came up, and all i saw was the flames, and the house is just completely gone. heart healthy, huh?!

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bill: an explosion leveling a home outside of pittsburgh, pa, sending two people to the hospital. also triggered a fire that engulfed the home next door,

neighbors saying it was like an airplane went down. >> found one person in the next door home, and they had to up cover him from the debris to get him out of there, and then there was another victim from the actual home that exploded was found in the front yard underneath debris. >> one gentleman had some cuts on the back of his head, he had his hands and feet were burnt, he seemed a little confused. he had insulation stuck to his head. bill: oh, my. investigation's underway, and the gas people saying they have found no leaks so far. that's interesting. another blast only 30 miles away across the border in west virginia, a natural gas leak suspected in that. martha: now the latest twist in the budget negotiations as lawmakers now say that any hope of ending the shutdown lies in whether they can agree on across-the-board spending cuts known as the sequester. democrats say those spending levels need to go up. we asked tennessee senator bob

corker about that last hour. >> this is the first time since 1955 and '6 that we've had two years in a row of reduced spending, and, obviously, they don't like that, so they took what they thought was, they thought they were in a better place than us and tried to take advantage of that. hopefully, that move has been brought back to the middle, and if so, maybe we can move ahead today with an agreement. but they certainly were overreaching. martha: we will see. brit hume joins me now, good morning, good to see you. >> good morning, martha. martha: you know, i remember just a couple of days ago the president and democrats saying, look, we've already done our side of the bargaining because we've agreed to leave these sequester levels in place, that's our side of the bargain. now it looks like they want that back as well. >> exactly right, martha. i think the democrats, particularly the democrats in the senate believe and perhaps the white house as well that the republicans are in an awful mess here and that they're in bad order with the public -- and

they certainly are -- and, therefore, in their weakened state they can be made to swallow raising of these sequester caps as they're called. this is the spending limits that have actually, as you heard senator corker say, driven government spending down a little bit over the last couple years. i think it's a fool's errand. it's not going anywhere. even if you could get it up in the senate and somehow pass it, i don't think you could ever get it through the house, so i think it's dead. martha: what about mitch mcconnell and harry reid and all of the talk about how what a rift there is between these two and how it may be different this time in terms of trying to bring them together on any kind of deal? >> well, this personal bad blood there between the two of them, but they're both a couple of thick-skinned old pros, and if there's a way to make a deal, they can probably do it. the question is, what's the shape of the deal, and at the moment with democrats -- look, republicans trying to defund obamacare with the threat of a shutdown, that was pie in the sky. raising the sequester caps, lifting the sequester caps with

no major spending reforms attached is also pie in the sky, so at the moment i don't know what there is for them to talk about unless the two of them privately can come up with some other formula. martha: it feels like we started off at, you know, one place with ted cruz trying to defund obamacare and the democrats completely dug in that that was never going to happen or that wasn't a possibility, and then they had to back pedal and figure out, well, what are we going to fight for now? what are we going to can ask for now? you know, when i was listening to the panel on fox news sunday with chris wallace, basically, kim was saying, look, what people are looking for is some kind of down the road financial stability plan, and paul ryan talked about it over the weekend as well. and it feels like that gets lost in the middle of all of this. >> well, yeah. i mean, what paul ryan was hoping to do was to use the debt limit deadline as a way to do a larger deal on, in which the sequester caps would be raised,

but in exchange for the kind of reform of entitlement spending that would yield even larger long-term savings. martha: right. >> that's what he was going for, and he thought there was a chance that might happen. but so far there's nobody at the white house seems to be biting on that, and certainly nothing that's happened in the senate over the weekend suggests that that's going very far over there which seems to be where everybody's focused at the moment. martha: what do you think, where are we going here? >> my guess is -- well, what i suspect will happen, martha, and this is by no means guaranteed, i'm just kind of guessing based on what i've seen is that we will have some kind of short-term measure to increase the debt ceiling for a little while to get us past thursday. now, look, i think it's -- this idea that hitting the debt limit means an automatic default is nonsense, and you've probably heard me explain that many times. but the treasury department would have the option if it chose to let default happen. i don't think the treasury department would do that, but if there ever was a treasury

department that might, this is it. martha: yeah, that's a great point. brit, thank you very much, we'll be on the roller coaster with you. bill: to viewers at home, what do you think? the are democrats going too far on spending over the weekend? send us a tweet, our lines are open right now. hmm. martha: doesn't seem like there's a whole lot of room for negotiation. republicans are just trying to get something for all of this in terms of some kind of longer-term financial sanity measure, they say, and democrats are feeling their oats right now, feel like they have nothing they need to give in. bill: a lot of folks ask us whether or not thursday is truly a drop-dead late. there's a little bit of band-aid stretching area after thursday that will take you a couple days, but not much further beyond that before you really have to prioritize who's getting paid and who's not. martha: if the treasury decides to default -- which would be their decision at that point really -- you know, talk about the feel the pain campaign, that

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martha: well, it was a night of not onet two huge comebacks in boston.

first, tom brady with a comeback for the ages. watch. >> brady to the end zone, it's caught! [cheers and applause] touchdown! martha: beautifully done. look at that. whoo in bean town. with that, the patriots beat the saints with five seconds left on the clock, not such a happy night for saints fans, our friends in new orleans were left stunned, but that wasn't it. just a little bit later that night, last night, the red sox with some magic of their own. watch. >> two outs. [cheers and applause] hard hit into right, back at the wall! martha: david ortiz hitting a game-tying grand slam in the eighth inning. torii hunter helplessly flipping into the red sox bullpen, would later win it for boston. what a great night in bean town sports. >> and a base hit!

red sox win it! this series tied at a game apiece. [cheers and applause] martha: that's great. love to see grown men -- bill: tsa an october surprise right there. a great series between boston and detroit. now we go back to detroit. but that patriots game, if you're a saints fan, drew brees never loses games that way. brady made some mistakes and still had a chance at the end concern. martha: difficult moments, but that was a real tom brady classic moment. bill: thanks for watching espn. [laughter] what we were talking about during the commercial, football. business is buzzing for bee keep efforts in florida, the industry seeing a boom in the last five years, and why is that? phil keating, he's always buzzed. he's live this miami. martha: now, now. nothing personal. >> reporter: well done, bill. bill: good morning. >> reporter: you know, i am told that the smoker here is

going to keep these thousands of honeybees from stinging me, and this is how they do it in the bee-keeping operation. it's a booming industry, $15 billion a year nationwide. and they say that the honeybee is directly responsible for one out of every three or four bites of food you put in your mouth. >> well, it's been said it's one of the hardest occupations in america. >> reporter: lee is a bee man. >> the nectar stimulates the queen to lay eggs. >> reporter: he and his beekeepers maintain 3,000 hives constantly surrounded by stingers. is that just part of the job for you? >> well, it's occupational hazard. >> reporter: florida's bee economy is surging as accept people per day -- seven people per day are registering to become beekeepers. there's profits to be made, but i recommend wearing gloves. and most of the money's not in the honey, it's in pollination. florida beekeepers lease their hives all over the country, especially california, for six

week pollination tours. >> bees turn flowers into fruits and vegetables. >> reporter: of course, most of us think of bees as painful pests. >> we try to save as many bees as we can. >> reporter: leo gosser, president of the broward beekeepers' association, also extracts problem hives from people's houses but always keeping the bees alive. >> we eat honey every day. >> reporter: life is sweet. >> life so sweet. >> reporter: you know, most of the explosion in bee keeping nationwide is in the backyard beekeeper, people basically in their 40s, a lot of women doing it out of a hobby primarily to get the free honey. there was a woman in cocoa beach over the weekend, a 98-year-old woman discovered there was about 20,000 bees living in her attic, those were all removed safely. colony collapse disorder is killing about one-third of all hives each year, so it really is critical that more people get into it. bill? bill: they have benefits in a big way. thank you, phil.

phil keating's on that story live in -- [laughter] nicely done. martha: he never has any fun at work, phil keating. all right, well, bob costas saying to the washington redskins they do need to change their name. very controversial move calling the skins' name just as bad as any racial slur, he said. is that true? we're going to debate it. plus -- [laughter] >> oh, my gosh. slow down, slow down. they're chasing us, slow down. [bleep] bill: did he want a ride, or was he lonely or hungry? talk about a wild chase, we'll talk to the woman on the back of that bike. martha: i think he liked her. >> oh, my gosh. [laughter]

martha: all right, back now with this fox news alert, at least 12 people have been killed in a car bombing in a town in northwestern syria. dozens more were injured, we're learning, this attack one day after a similar attack in damascus. watch this. [speaking in native tongue] martha: two car bombs exploded near the state television building there yesterday. you saw the man on camera ducking for cover after that first blast. he tried to continue with the broadcast until the second bomb went off. the building did suffer some damage.

no word yet on any casualties. ♪ ♪ bill: veteran nbc sportscaster bob costas once again taking sides in a national controversy. this time over the washington redskins' team name. last night during halftime of the nationally-televised redskins/cowboys football game. here's part of that. >> think for a moment about the term "redskins" and how it truly differs from aural the others. ask yourself what the equivalent would be if directed toward african-americans, hispanics, asians or members of any other ethnic group? when considered that way, "redskins" can't possibly honor a heritage or a noble character trait, nor can it possibly be considered a neutral term. it's an insult, a slur no matter how benign the present day intent. bill: wow. okay, what do you think about this? leslie marshall, fox news contributor, jason matera, radio host on wabc in new york city, and jim gray's a veteran

sportscaster himself and a fox news contributor. good day to all three of you. just take, jason, the last part of costas' comment, an insult, a slur no matter how benign the present day intent. was he right? >> well, i agree the term so offensive. why would any sports team want to associate itself with washington, d.c.? i mean, come on, look at all the destructive behavior that comes out of this town. pick another area of the country. look, bottom line is those who are offended just happen to be white liberals in the media like bob costas. when the team's name changed from the braves to the redskins eight decades ago, there were four native americans on the team, and the coach was also native american. oh, and when the redskin emblem was created, it was designed by native americans at an indian reservation in south dakota. clearly, they weren't offended by it as well. so it just is hyperventilating

by white liberals generally in academia and mostly in the media. bill: the owner, dan snyder, said it was never a label, it was and continues to be a badge of honor. leslie, are you offended? >> well, i am not a red girl, i am a white girl. i'm not a minority in this country, and i have to say, jason, if we're going by numbers, then why don't we just have teams with the n word and any other racial slur as colored people, people of color in this country are the minority currently, at least until the year 2054 supposedly. the bottom line here is if a segment of our population -- which many native americans have said they are offended by this term -- it's something to look into. bill: that wasn't the question, leslie, the question was whether you are offended by it. are you or not? >> i'm offended by terms that have historical negative implications. do i personally feel if somebody called me a redskin offensive? no. but because it offends a segment of our population no matter how

small, yes, i think it should be changed. bill: hang on one second, guys, i've got to get jim gray too. university of pennsylvania poll, offense toive -- offensive, 90% say it is inoffensive, 9% say it is. here's lanny davis who helps represent the team on this controversy -- well, it really caught fire two weeks ago when the president was asked about it during an ap interview. here's lanny davis. >> redskins fans by 95% don't want a name change. native american tribal leaders in virginia have spoken out and said, you know, we lo the redskins -- love the redskins. the last poll of all native americans, the only one ever taken by the annenberg institute 2004 had nine out of ten native americans not offended by the name. bill: and that's the poll he's referring to, that was taken some nine years ago. jim, the commissioner, roger goodell, said i'm confident he's listening, referring to the team owner, i'm confident he feels strongly about the name but wants to do the right thing.

spoken by -- like a lawyer, i bet. where does this go? >> well, i think they are listening, and that's what caused dan snyder to write the letter and the commissioner to comment on it again yesterday before the cowboys and redskins played. it's been ongoing since 1992. i was part of the broadcast team of the 1992 super bowl that was on cbs, and there were people outside the metro dome picketing that day when the redskins beat the buffalo bills. the owner at the time just kind of stonewalled it, didn't address it. paul tagliabue issued a very benign and unemotional statement at that super bowl, so it keeps coming back and coming back. can and now last night hitting a crescendo again with bob costas. there's going to be a big issue decided at the end of the week, the trademark issue which is being decided in federal court. the lawsuit that is taking place is going to be a big setback if the redskins lose, and it's going to put further pressure. bill: costas makes the point

that braves and chiefs and warriors, that's okay, they're meant to honor native americans. and he made the point that colleges have changed, stanford and dartmouth, miami of ohio, the st. johns redmen went to, what are they now, the red -- now the red storm, that is. >> red storm. bill: jim? >> yes. well, they have changed. a lot of them have changed, bill, but when you say brave, that that does seem, to me, to instill pride. when you say warriors, that instills pride. redskins so offensive to people. --. -- is offensive to people. if there is, as the president has said, some people who are offended by it, then it needs to be examined and looked at. you would not name that team the redskins today. times change, and we with time. that would not be the chosen name if they were picking a team right now. bill: yeah -- >> the washington nationals

baseball team, they would have not chosen the redskins. that's just not how we operate this day and age. bill: why do you think costas chose that broadcast on sunday night to do this? >> because it's become such an issue. people like peter king of "sports illustrated", mike wise in "the washington post," christine brennan in the "usa today" said they will not refer to it anymore, that they will call it the washington football organization. so this thing is rising once again to a crescendo, and there's this court case as well. so -- bill: we'll watch that. quickly, jason, i know you're shaking your head, no, i'll give you the last answer here. where do you think this goes? >> those who are opposed are clearly on the fringe as the polls you indicated demonstrate. you have 90% of native americans who say that they are not offended. and by the way, if the intent was to cast aspersions on native americans, it's an odd way to do so by naming a billion dollar football franchise, beloved by millions of people in the nation's capital, strange way to cast aspersions on native

americans. bill: thanks all three of you, leslie marshall, jason mater rah and jim gray. thanks, and we'll see. jim, i mean, we're listening carefully to what you say at the end of the week.thanks. 20 til the hour. martha? martha: we are getting our first look at a man wanted in the a connection to the 2007 disappearance to madeleine mccann. plus, mark more frank tells us what -- mark fuhrman tells us what he makes of all this. bill: plus, a promise kept helps give a dying man a way out of her wedding. what a touching story this is next. >> i've always dreamed of my dad walking me down the aisle, so he did. i'm overhe hill. my body doesn't work the way it used to. past my prime? i'm a victim of a slowin? i don't think so. great grains protein blend. protein from natural ingredients like seeds and nuts. it helps support a healthy metabolism. great grains protein blend.

bill: a knox news alert, been watching this story for the past hour or so, a man was arrested at buckingham palace a bit earlier today found with a knife on him, and apparently he was trying to enter one of the

gates, arrested on suspicion of trespassing. amy kellogg and the folks in our london bureau are working this story. nobody injured in the end. it does not appear to be the wannabe intruder resisted arrest, so a little bit of action today. martha: exactly. all right. some new developments today in the search for little madeleine mccann. you remember, of course, the 3-year-old who vanished during a family vacation in portugal back in 2007. but now u.k. police have released this computer-generated image of a man they now want to question in this investigation. they say he was seen in the resort area the night that madeleine disappeared. mark fuhrman joins me now, former lapd homicide detective and a fox news contributor. good morning to you. what do you make of all of this? >> good morning, martha. well, when you look at a composite or a suspect identification, it means they don't have a photograph, and they certainly don't have any suspects in a live format for

anybody to view. and now six years later it's really difficult to get a description of a suspect, connect that description up to a live person. you know, in my experience six days is a long time, six weeks is ridiculous, six months is almost impossible, six years? i think that's highly unlikely in a resort environment. martha: yeah. it is, it's a stretch. it certainly seems to be. but, you know, you look at the elizabeth smart case, and she's been out talking about her book, and when i listened to her last week saying, you know, that you can never give up on these missing children, it's understandable that the mccann parents are looking for any avenue that they can, and this time it comes in the form of this new documentary that's coming out in the bbc and also this new effort to try to find their child. >> well, i agree. but the elizabeth smart case you have parents that totally cooperated with law enforcement. there's a big difference here. the mccanns on face value or

at least what's being reported, they haven't offered complete cooperation, and the reports are that they haven't answered all the questions, that they haven't submitted to a polygraph, and, you know, when you have this type of investigation where parents leave their child on a multiple-level resort apartment to have dinner and drinks with friends and have the door unlocked, i find that there's a question there. the second question is the immediate exclamation from kate mccann was that somebody took her child, not that help me look for the child, where is madeleine, but somebody took her. and, of course, the third thing is, is you have to eliminate the immediate people that have control over the child. forensics are almost useless because everybody has access. there's no foreign forensics in the apartment at the resort, so you have to eliminate the parents and, certainly, the best

way to do that first is an extensive interview, and the second is a polygraph so you can focus your investigation where it needs to be. the mccanns said they would, and then they withdrew that. martha: i mean, is that a condition? would you expect that any reopening of an investigation -- >> yes. martha: -- would be con tip jebt about that -- contingent upon that? we're going to spend our time, money and effort, but you've got to do this first. >> absolutely. i would say at a certain point in the investigation, you know, you explain to the parents or a relative, husband, wife, you say i believe your story, and it's without question supported by evidence, but i need to move on, so i need to give you this polygraph so i can eliminate you so you can assist me with the investigation. if that person says i don't want to take a polygraph, you know, that should send up a few flares why. you rook at the baby lisa case in kansas city -- martha: right. >> same set of circumstances

absent money, and money is a generating factor in this case. they've hired multiple private detective agencies, but they're the boss. martha: yeah. all right, mark, we'll see what comes of it. thank you very much for weighing in. we'll see you soon. >> thank you. bill: things taking a why wild n for a couple after a ride on their motorcycle. watch here. [laughter] that there's a full grown elk, and that guy's like 40 years old. the woman who shot this video will explain what happened on that sunday afternoon. martha: he likes her. she's flirting with him. ♪ ♪ stick with innovation. stick with power. stick with technology. get the flexcare platinum.

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bill: take a gappedder at what happens after a couple pulls up their motorcycle next to an elk on the highway. [bleep] [laughter] >> he's chasing us. bill: i think they said, oh, shucks. heather lee captured this video in missoula, montana. heather, are you there? good morning to you. >> good morning to you. bill: whoa. when was that? >> that was sunday afternoon about two weeks ago. bill: what'd you think of that big guy, huh? >> oh, it was definitely exciting and fearful at the same time. bill: now, you live in montana. >> yes, sir. bill: you see elk all the time i'm assuming, yes? >> you know, you see a lot of deer. it's not common to see a whole lot of elk on the road, but, you know, you just expect anything especially this many montana. bill: but he's a big guys, right? >> he definitely was big up close. [laughter] bill: i bet. he was taller than you when you

were sitting on the bike. what do you think he wanted, heather? >> i don't know. i think he may have liked the smell of my shampoo or something, i don't think. [laughter] bill: you didn't have any snacks in your pockets, did you? >> no snacks. bill: now, your boyfriend glen was driving the bike, right? >> yeah. he was in town visiting. he'd never been to montana, so i thought i'd take him, we took my harley up 200 but never imagined seeing -- bill: what'd he think of that? you gave him quite a memory, heather. >> yeah, i did. we're still talking about it. bill: yeah. now, listen, you tried to get away, right? and this guy followed you for how far? >> you know, it was about a mile or two, and then we decided to lose it just to protect him in case -- we didn't want him to get injured and, you know, we were going pretty slow, and there was a lot of traffic. bill: you say the elk followed you for a mile or two? >> yes. he wasn't going to give up.

he was getting faster and faster. bill: you're kidding me? >> it was exciting. bill: wow. listen, the hunting season is coming up soon. >> it is. bill: i know you're aware of that. is glen coming back for that? >> no, he's not, but we were joking that, you know, we don't get what hunting is all about. we could have just had him follow us all the way home and started the grill or something. [laughter] bill: right on. kidding aside, heather, you captured a memory. was your iphone out, i mean, when you pulled up to this guy? >> yes, it was. i had my iphone on the ready, i was taking a lot of the pictures of the scenery for him. bill: well, you were camera ready, heather. thanks for schaffering your story. we're going to call him elvis the elk. >> sounds good. bill: all right? prime time. thanks, heather. tell glen we said hello from missoula, montana. >> thank you. will do. bill: he's still running, you know? martha: i think he liked her. he went right up to her face. i think he liked her.

i think she's right, maybe the smell of her shampoo, something. he likes her, and i feel bad for her, because he had to give up, but he hung in there. look at the tongue hanging out, it's like miley cyrus. miley the elk. bill: you go. martha: there's that, okay? and then there's this -- [laughter] big story of the morning as they stormed the barricades -- what was that? they stormed the barricades in washington. take a listen. >> tear down the wall! tear down the wall! ♪ ♪ stand beside her and -- martha: some key senators among the mop -- the mob of protesters demanding that the monuments on the national mall reopen. more on that coming up. ♪ and the home of the brave.

bill: bet the elk would still be running. martha: i love that story. that is our favorite miley cyrus song. you named her elvis.

i think it should be miley. could be a girl. bill: the evidence is in. martha: the evidence is in. bye everybody. "happening now" starts right now. >> she needs a foam finger. right now, brand new stories and breaking news here. jon: just three days before the debt ceiling comes crashing down on the u.s. economy, can washington get its act together? a teenager disappears on her way home from school. now the fbi is involved as authorities search for the girl by land, water and air. this woman left holding on for her life, dangling from a drawbridge that went up. video of her daring rescue and why she could now face charges. it's all "happening now." jon: well the government shutdown