network, 9:20 eastern right before wall street passes judgment on the d.c. standoff, and that fitch ratings statement that we are now on negative ratings watch for our aaa rating. all right. "the five" starts now. hello, everyone. it's 5:00 in new york city, and this is "the five." it is day 15 and the shutdown in washington continues. this morning, house republicans unveiled a proposal that was immediately rejected by the white house and they've since modified their plan, will bring it to the floor for a vote tonight. the only contentious provision would require the white house, cabinet, congress, and staff to be enrolled in obama care without subsidies. kevin mccarthy hinted at this strategy earlier today. >> we think individuals should

be treated fairly. that big business should not have special treatment, members of congress should not have special treatment. we are very cognizant of the calendar. we want to find a solution to this in a bipartisan manner that gets us moving forward and gets america back to working again. >> house democratic leadership just wrapped up a meeting with president obama at the white house, and nancy pelosi had this response to the latest gop plan. >> everybody knows that time is of the essence and if the republicans in the house want to put up a bill, they should do it soon, but they have to know that they'll have to do that with 100% republican vote. >> all right, so one of the things that we said was that time is of the essence. eric, you had breaking news right before "the five" started. >> literally ten minutes before we started, fitch ratings agency that puts credit ratings on our ability to pay our debts just put us on a watch. a negative downgrade watch from aaa, which is so highly

respected. the reason why that's important, is as you go lower on the credit rating, it costs you more to borrow money. right now we're on negative. it's kind of stupid, it's kind of ridiculous what's going on. this plan that you just outlined, this is a gop plan. fund the government through december 15th and allow us to pay and raise our debt ceiling to run out somewhere around february 7th of 2014. that's about it. they took the medical tax issues out of the offer. they've really given the democrats just about everything they want because the democrats want to have their debt the exact same day. february 7th, 2014. they want to fund the government another two weeks. so the difference here is two weeks. the democrats added this whole idea of giving the labor unions a carve-out, which sounds to me like they'll push, they'll pull that back and then they have themselves the deal. but the problem is the gop guys, you've got their deal. you just handed them the deal

that they wanted in the very beginning with the exception of the vetter amendment, which everyone in congress knows they can just buy their way out of that deal. >> i thought it was january 15th, february 15th. >> december 15th -- the gop plans -- >> the earlier one did say -- i didn't hear former speaker pelosi say that she would vote is if this is your plan, you're going to have to deliver all of your republicans. do you think she was saying we might be able to go for this? >> she's saying that democrats are going to vote against it. one of the things that i think is the most compelling argument here, is if you keep this open only to december 15th, you're going to be back at this again. just as people were doing holiday shopping, the rest of it is going to take a lot of confidence out of it. and eric, you said this thing about the watch. you said this didn't matter.

now you're saying, i assume it's going to make interest rates grow. so it's going to impact. >> it absolutely could have an impact, but it shouldn't. there's no way we default on our debt ever. putting us on a credit ratings watch, maybe they're playing into the hands of hey, guys, just get your act together. maybe they're tired of seeing overbotoxed lawmakers. >> oh, my gosh. >> i don't know how the democrats turn down the vetter amendment. i mean, the idea of going to december 15th makes no sense at all. >> we can look forward to another holiday crunch time as you go forward. do you think this has been an exercise in futility or a futile exercise? >> that's a tough question. >> i have some breaking news. >> okay. >> i'm bored of this topic. the shutdown is like the world's longest soccer game that ends zero-zero and they solve everything with penalty kicks. i always felt like with soccer,

why not start with penalty kicks? it's like you watch a soccer game and it's like wow, this is borning. then they get to the penalty kicks, it's like wow, this is interesting. let's just make soccer penalty kicks. with this kind of negotiation, why don't we just skip the whole month of this craziness and just get down to the penalty kicks. i think the amendment is brilliant because it forces politicians to take their own medicine. i mean, this is something that, you know, they have to now live by their word. which i don't know if that's ever happened before. actually force a politician to actually take the drug that they've been administering to everybody else. i would like to see them do it. the other weird thing about it is an obama supporter's award is to be exempt from the obama policy. it's like if you get involved with me, then you don't have to deal with me. it's like paying somebody not to sleep with you, which has happened to me before. >> yeah, right. >> i don't know. i'm done. >> let me get kg in here.

>> yes, because he's very bored. >> i'm wearing new glasses. testing these out. it's a dry run. >> you can vote on "the five"'s website. going to see what he thinks. really the only thing that matters is what kimberly thinks about your glasses, and about all these antics. >> senseless murder of the glasses that i bought you, by your buttocks. that was a big problem for me. >> kimberly, what do you make of the latest -- i want to get your take on what you think america is thinking as they look back at washington as they get closer and closer to the deadline. >> you know what they're thinking? quit acting like spoiled brats. come up with something that's meaningful. if you're standing on principle, get something for your side that you think is in the best interest for the country. if we are going to have to fund this obama care, then how about you guys have to be subjected to the same thing.

don't tell me what's good for us as americans. why don't you embrace it yourself and take it on. >> from where they started, what they wanted, they have now fallen back to what is arguably the easiest -- and if the democrats don't take it, i don't know why -- >> they're out of their mind. >> i tell you the idea that the republicans -- the republicans turn so negative. it's getting worse and worse and worse. if i were them, i'd cut my losses and get out. >> you're 100% right. bob, first of all, thank you for not being overly smug about this, but you're right. this is a complete win for the democrats and the democrats should take this and run. otherwise, if they don't, if they want to hold out for their union buddies, and the gop pushes back on that, we stay unfunded and things start to happen, fitch, etc., then the worm is turned. then it becomes a democrat problem. >> let's see what happens. >> whoever could have predicted that the republicans were going to lose? let's look at some of the things

that the democrats have said. senator bach with some not so nice comments. >> i have to say when you start acting like you're committing domestic abuse, you've got a problem. i love you, dear, but, you know, i'm shutting down your entire government. i love you, dear, but i'm going to default and you're going to be weak. something is dreadfully wrong. >> you think you've ever heard someone say, i love you, dear, but? >> terrible. >> rumor has it -- >> can we point something out? do you know when we passed the debt ceiling? may 13th of this past year. we passed it may 13th. so we've been getting along just fine. fiscal cliff didn't matter. sequester didn't matter. this is all theatrics. it's all washington political

theatrics. get it over with, move on, and live to fight another day. let obama care fail on its own. >> it may turn out that way. but i would say be a little careful about a lot of the stuff they believe, a lot of the stuff i believe, like charlie rangel saying the republicans really want to take government down to what reagan wants to take it down to, which is the size of the jersey city council. but you don't get on the air and start to say these kinds of things and gloat when you're winning. if i were barbara boxer, i would say okay, we're winning this thing, i'll keep my mouth shut and make fun of it afterwards. >> rumor has it, she got botox so she could say the most outrageous things with a straight face. >> does that work? >> yes. >> where do you think it goes from here? predictions on tonight's vote in the house. passes or notpasses? >> well, i think they have to cut their losses. yeah, i hope it passes.

what are they going to do? if they say no and they come back for more, the senate democrats are going to say forget it, we have a deal. we have something on the table. they're going to keep pushing, it's going to get worse and worse for the republicans. cut your loss. you're losing. take the loss. move forward. win the next fight, not this one. >> they're not going to get any help out of the democrats on this. which means he's got to produce all of his votes, including his tea party people, who will not like this. let's assume that boehner says it's the only shot we've got and they go along with it. at least it's a little bit better. if they turn it down and they leave it up to the democrats and the republicans for a compromise in the house, it gets shoved into the house's face. if the house alone votes it down and lets the government keep going and being shut down and the markets get closed down, then the republicans are going to be in real trouble. so i think the best interest of the republicans would be to at least have something to negotiate with.

but they may not. >> anyone have a different point of view here? >> no, i think they've got to pass it. >> the democrats better take it. >> it's instability on the other side. which might be correct. >> the democrats are not going to take that. >> why not? what's wrong with that? >> december 15th is way too short. >> we're talking a couple weeks difference, bob. literally. three weeks difference between the two plans. and that is it. >> except i keep coming back to the question of consumer confidence. >> the last word, or are you done? >> i would have liked to have seen this go all the way to the end and stop pushing this. >> it's going all the way to the end. >> president obama has been a president of firsts. he's a historical president. he could have been the first president to default. i would have liked to have seen that. >> i cannot imagine the way the system works that they're going to get it done by the 17th. >> years of damage to the

american economy. >> if teddy cruz decides to say no -- >> okay, we have to run. or else we can't talk about all the other great stuff that we have coming up in the show. robert gibbs wants someone to be fired over the obama care rollout, so what should it be? before you go, please check out our facebook page. plus our brand-new website at foxnews.com/thefive. we'll be right back.

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remember when obama care matriarch kathleen sebelius said this? >> how many have signed up thus far? >> fully enrolled? i can't tell you. because i don't know. >> "the wall street journal" reports only 38,000 people have

waded through glitch city and enrolled in the president's signature achievement. at this rate, 38,000 every two weeks, it will take 50.52 years to get the 48 million uninsured signed up. what should happen to the democrats in charge? let's ask someone from each side of the aisle. first, mr. robert gibbs. >> this is excruciatingly embarrassing for the white house and for the department of health and human services. this was bungled bdly. i hope they fire some people that were in charge of making sure that this thing was supposed to work. >> somebody should get fired. but who gets the axe? created a youtube video calling for kathleen sebelius to be fired. for me, i'll just sit back and try to refrain from saying "we told you so." is she the one that should be -- a lot of people fired? is she the one that we have to point our finger at first? >> i think it would be very difficult for president obama to do that at this point.

unless they can pinpoint exactly what went wrong. do they not manage the process appropriately? obviously that's what happened. today jay carney was asked if president obama still had confidence in kathleen sebelius. the answer was an emphatic yes. my experience is that the president has confidence in the cabinet secretary up until the very last second when they go on to spend more time with their family. >> what do we do here? it's so easy to set up a website. >> the launch of this makes the arch deluxe look like the iphone. who is accountable? america. half of america. the arch deluxe. at mcdonald's? see, that's my point. half of america voted for president obama. what is this called? it's called obama care. technically, he should be fired. but you can't because he's an incumbent. so you've got to do the next best thing. you've got to throw out every single person below him and every election. a candidate should be handcuffed to a victim of obama care. whenever they ask you a question

about obama care, you go look at this guy. this guy's life is screwed. sebelius, all she's got to do, leave her job and work at a place where competition doesn't matter. it's called academia. >> exactly. >> it doesn't matter. results don't matter. >> no place does it matter. >> obama already has his legacy. he's got obama care and he's proved to the world how great capitalism is. when you operate outside of the world of capitalism, you don't need results. you can fail at will. it doesn't matter. >> so if one side is failing at will and failing miserably, can you imagine trying to get to a doctor or trying to get an approval for a test or something? how much are people going to be ticked off at obama care? >> that's the problem. it's failure to launch. you can't even get on this thing to sign up for it. so just imagine you can't sign up for it. how is this going to affect the level of medical care, the doctors you can get? it's very frustrating to me because there's really no excuse.

aren't they best friends with people at google? couldn't someone have helped them, their big donors, to make sure that this actually works correctly, especially if it's the law of the land? >> talk about this. 38,000 enrollees two weeks in. what a miserable failure. >> two weeks is not a long period of time. let me say this. i think gibbs is right. somebody should be ousted here. it won't be sebelius. >> but it should be. >> whoever hired the people to do this. but gibbs is upset with the white house. this is a little sour grapes on his part. >> why would you say that? >> because he believes -- a couple people believe they were pushed out. i think this is a little bit of sour grapes. >> he probably knows a thing or two about that. >> leaving that aside, i think

the answer here is, in california, in states that took on the responsibility for the exchanges, they're working reasonably well. the red states -- >> the very least you could do is say it's an epic failure at this point. >> i don't call it an epic failure at all. >> how long did it take you to sign up. >> i haven't signed up yet. >> oh. never mind. >> bob has dr. segel. >> they turn it on. >> they didn't expect that? did you not expect that? dana, if you didn't expect hundreds of millions in the whole united states at once, if you didn't expect tens of thousands of people signing up right off the bat -- >> but they had to expect that many because how many is needed to make it work. you have 2.7 million young people to sign up and they're at 38,000, so it's not going to

work. in a way, what they need to do is something like what president bush did with the surge, which was a foreign policy issue, but on this one, where you admit that there's a huge problem. you have some sort of radical change, and then you start to implement it and you go through it, because in the long run, president obama's legacy will be more assured if he does something now to try to fix this than if they try to pretendt's not a problem and blame republicans. the interesting thing is the penalty tax is going to happen in eight weeks from now. >> you say this thing is not working. how do you know -- >> sebelius said it's user friendly. she was referring to heroin users, but it is user friendly. >> let's see what happens in january and february. to suggest it's all going to fall -- stop talking about it and wasting your energy. >> bob. >> you're being disingenuous. it is failing right now.

>> no, i'm saying that it is failing now, but it is a huge system, it has time to get righted. and to sit back here and suggest that it's an epic failure -- you have every republican seat -- >> the obama administration is focusing on default and continuing resolutions. the reason we're not hearing about this, do they want this focus on what we're talking about default instead of obama care? >> they're playing distraction dust bowl here. people can't even get on to this. how is this making people healthier? it's getting them more stressed out, more cranky, more gastritis, things i get from bob alone. >> you're exactly right. if the focus has been on obama care. but who's responsible for that? it's the republicans. >> that's what we were talking about a month ago, when ted cruz was talking about defunding. wasn't that what we said on this show? is that what we said?

>> if president obama said, you know what? given the glitches that are going on in the website right now, given the difficulty to sign up for obama care, we'll delay it six months, we'll delay it a year. >> is that fair? going to penalize people and they can't even get on it? >> it's a preexisting condition, already was in place immediately. upon passage. that was not dependent -- >> can you change in on that $63 a month that people are so -- >> well -- >> here's what i don't understand, bob. what i don't understand is why do you have insurance at all if preexisting conditions aren't allowed? that would be like getting into a car accident, and then getting my insurance. i don't understand that. that's why this is going to fall apart. >> if people have preexisting conditions, it seems to me that there ought to be a way --

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the alleged terrorist pleaded not guilty for charges related to the 1998 embassy bombings in africa. the plea comes ten days after his capture in tripoli and just a week after his capture again aboard the uss san antonio. critics question the administration's stance granting trials in new york and not guantanamo bay. >> the bad news, he has hepatitis c. the good news is he's got obama care, so he'll be dead in a week. it's either a law enforcement matter -- >> he can't log on. >> he can't log on. >> poor guy is going to be trying to get obama care. is it a law enforcement matter or is it a war? to me it's a war, to be treated as such. >> what i think is interesting is i don't think we have a clear answer why from the government.

why he is not -- why they're not going to push for the death penalty. nidal hasan, the shooter in ford hoot -- fort hood, he got the death penalty. this terrorist, i think he should be under at least -- at the very least eligible for the death penalty as well. >> i think that's a very solid point coming from that end of the table. we don't have a clear answer from the govmt i don't think it's a clear answer. >> i don't know what the big concern is here. i'm sorry, go ahead. >> virtually every terrorist that's been indicted in this country and sent to jail has been done in this country. it has not been done in guantana guantanamo. so why is this any different? >> he didn't know he was here. >> the other issue -- >> preexisting conditions. >> you can hold him a terrorist

at guantanamo bay for a number of months or weeks. >> for what? >> to get some information. >> i i aum there's a lot of information on the ship over here. >> the point is this big -- new yorkers for some reason are so freaked out. i can understand 9/11 and all that. but this is where you prosecute people. guantanamo bay is not where you prosecute. you do it here. >> you prosecute u.s. citizens on u.s. soil. >> that is not the case. >> foreign terrorists, you don't have to give them -- >> that is not the case. >> one of the additional concerns when eric holder in 2009 said he was going to bring the five detainees from gitmo up to new york. there was a huge outcry. one of the points is it gives them the rights of an american citizen. the other thing was the spectacle and the security concerns and making these guys

martyrs when they're on tv and everything every day, that it's better to keep it off the shores and have it at guantanamo bay. that is the reasoning behind the question. >> i think you know my positioning on this. i do not think they should be brought to u.s. soil and tried. gitmo. >> where should they try them? >> a military tribunal. >> guantanamo is, in fact, under treaty u.s. territory. >> let's talk about iran. you like iran? you want to go with me on that? >> i think what they did in geneva -- if they don't go along with this, they will that much more isolate themselves. they have gone farther out saying things they're going to do. do i believe they're going to do that? not necessarily. do i believe they're putting themselves in a horrible position if they don't, after going to the world and saying we're going to do this?

they've never done this before. i think there may be a crack here. >> all right. >> these are the financiers of terror around the world. we should not be at the same table as them. jihad against israel. they don't even believe israel should be on the map. it's time to continue the financial sanctions against iran. in fact, let's up them a little bit and get away from that table. let them bury themselves. >> i don't buy it for a second. and i think that we are wasting precious time where we could be putting more pressure on them to get them to give up their goal of a nuclear weapon. i don't believe for a second. >> all right, shoulder to shoulder. where do you stand? >> bob, would you like -- >> i know that.

>> i get yelled at here by calling people names. you called the president of the united states some of the worst names. >> whether you like it or not, he is the president of the united states. >> in all the land. >> you ought to look for every opportunity to figure out a way to negotiate. maybe it's impossible. we've put every sanction you can possibly have on them. why do you do business? you did business with the saudis. >> directly between iran, bin laden, and al qaeda. >>. >> oh, come on. you guys are living in a dream. >> you're living in a dream if you think the iranians are going to give up their nuclear weapons. >> then why would they -- >> okay, you know what? >> okay, let's go. this is enough.

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according to "the journal of pediatrics," kids with screwed up sleep patterns are more likely to be screwed up in general. if these sleep disruptions occur during key development, the consequences could be lifelong. it makes sense. even on eight hours of shut eye, i'm a wreck. but there's something else going on here, and it smacks of bs. irregular sleep is merely a marker of an uglier fak, one that experts are too scared to say. if a kid is not getting to bed at a regular time, it's because his parents aren't either. or his parents aren't even there at all. the decline of intact households leads to messed up kids. a conclusion that blames people, not pillows. which creates discomfort among experts. the '70s taught us that an intact family was no reason to sacrifice happiness.

the media applauded su eed this. i call this the pig pen effect. after the kid from peanuts. you can see him as a child whose lynnerty to make his own cause resulted in his own dirtiness. maybe that is freedom, but let's call it what it really is, neglect. everybody's doing this, like they weren't listening. is this more about parenting than pillows? >> you know, greg. when i heard you were doing this story, writing a monologue, i was a little upset. i was a little nervous about it. because parenting is bar none the toughest job on the planet. times ten. >> and i'm not doing it. >> we're pointing that out. >> but you made a couple of leaps in there. you say kids who aren't getting to bed at the right time means their parents aren't either. not necessarily true. one doesn't necessarily have to go with the other.

and leading to neglect. not necessarily true also. there are hands-on parents that let their kids stay up and watch tv if they want to. >> at 16. these are younger parents. >> and there are other parents who don't give a crap about what their kids do and they end up being really functional and fantastic students. i think you generalized. it was interesting. i think the study is bs. and for that, i agree. >> i thought you handled that in a very tactful way. >> it's a 10,000 sample survey. it's very well-done survey research piece. and what it says here is, in the end, that only 9% of the kids are not getting their regular sleep patterns. it's not a huge epidemic. and if they do get sleep at a regular time, it does show that there has been a pattern of having less hostility and being less disruptive. maybe there's something to be said about it. certainly the numbers are there.

if these numbers are true, it's very hard to deny that this is probably accurate. >> i like it when bob reads the packet. >> wasn't that impressive? >> wait, i've got to do my thing. >> yeah, go, kate. >> it's my turn. i have a child. i have one child at home. that's like a little munchkin. and i have this child here. so when you talk about eight hours of sleep, i hear this weird noise emanating. i go in there, and there's bob all laid out, right? and he's snoring. i take a little picture of him. it's very cute. i don't know if we have that. bob said to me the reason why he's so tired is he only had eight hours of sleep. i was thinking that's a lot of sleep, bob. do we have a little picture? is that a no? it's so cute. >> i think they're afraid to run that picture. >> he wasn't wearing pants. >> no. >> very quick, you actually get to bed before you go to sleep. >> yes. >> which is amazing. >> how well-adjusted i am. >> exactly. >> i had a bedtime of 8:00 p.m. for a long, long time.

it got stretched to 8:30 p.m. it got to the point where i will just put myself to bed. >> you don't really go to bed at 9:00, do you? >> on sunday i did. it works for me to have a regular bedtime. >> i think it's important. >> i will say this. what eric said. it is the toughest job in the world. my daughter was one who was very difficult. she would not go with a pattern. she's turned out so far, knock on wood, quite well. >> you're refuting your earlier comment. >> no, i'm saying that i think this study is a good study and it probably is better to err on the side of regular sleep patterns. >> i've got to move on. an honor student does the right thing by not letting her drunk friend get behind the wheel. so why did her school punish her for it? how she's fighting back, next.

that's what i'm asking. who is that? two weeks ago, honor student anna cox did what every parent hope they would do. she wouldn't let her friend drive home drunk from a party,

so she gave her a lift. now she's been benched for five games and stripped of her captainship because of her school's zero tolerance policy on alcohol and drugs. the cox family has hired a lawyer, get the punishment reversed. here's her mom, eleanor. >> she's very fragile. i'm worried about her. very worried about her. she didn't do anything wrong. she did what she thought was right. and i'm proud of her for that. >> eric, you've been in that situation. so have i. what do you think? >> i think what this does if this holds, if the school's making it more difficult for kids to be the smart one to do the right thing, to be the designated driver because you're still going to get -- if you get pulled over, the school finds out about it, you're still going to get punished and you're doing the right thing. so what's the point of being the good person and not drinking when your friends are drinking? they got to reverse this right away. >> yeah. it's upsetting because this really has a chilling effect on young students that are responsible, they want to do the right thing which is going to develop good character going

forward in life. i think it's incumbent upon them to change this and reverse the decision. >> well, greg, drove you home drunk, do you think they should have been punished for driving you home drunk? >> i luckily have lived in a city where i have people drive me home drunk they are called cab drivers. they need to start a business. they need to have like a little business of designated drivers. >> for teens? >> well, there's a guy that comes up -- where was i living that comes in with a car and has a scooter and then you get on the scooter with him and he drives you home. it's pretty interesting. >> wait, wait, that was in the philippines. never mind. >> dana, what do you think? >> i think the fact that they had to hire a lawyer proves that there are just way too many lawyers. and that they are having to go in rather than having the school deal with this in a common sense way, you actually have to hire a lawyer to get your school to make a good decision. that's ridiculous. >> this is part and partial but you use the word zero tolerance leaves no room at all for

interpretation. and i think zero tolerance is a bad idea in anything. there's different circumstances. and if this girl -- she probably -- she could have saved this girl's life. that's the thing i find most amazing. >> or somebody else's. >> right. and i tell you a number of people drove me home fortunately or i wouldn't be here to say one more thing. up next. so, this board gives me rates for progressive direct and other car insurance companies? yes. but you're progressive, and they're them. yes. but they're here. yes. are you...? there? yes. no. are you them? i'm me. but those rates are for... them. so them are here. yes!

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it's time now for one more thing. greg, your phone's on, greg. >> it is. >> kimberly is going to take us -- >> well, i think this is really important today was significant. i think if you spent time with fox news, which i hope you did, it's time well-spent. and you saw former army captain william d. swenson given the medal of honor by president barack obama. the most interesting aspect of this story is the fact he's asked to re-enlist and if he does he could go back and attain the rank of major. this was for his conduct that in 2009 showing incredible heroism in a lengthy battle against the taliban in afghanistan near the pakistan border. so he is to be commended and respected and honored today. >> indeed. good story. inspiring story. eric, you're next. >> so i love the zombies. i just absolutely love the

zombies, love "walking dead." sunday night kicked off the season for the series fourth season to 16 million viewers. 10 million in the key where they beat the nfl sunday night football. and i love so much sunday night also halloween horror night at universal studios. there's me at the front gate. if you've ever been there, you have to see -- if you're into the scare thing, it's the greatest night of your entire life. lights come down, zombies come from everywhere. i love it. >> i would never go to that. i would never, ever go. >> absolutely crazy time. do we have any video of that? do you have it real quick? couple seconds. >> oh, yeah, there's my idea of a fun night right there. >> so you're literally standing in the middle and they come out at you. >> i would never do that. terrible. greg, you're next. >> if you can't afford to go down there, as you know, greg's apartment i do the same thing. call ahead, show up, hide behind his couch and then i attack you.

this is a new little thing i'm doing. banned phrase.urrect eed phras. a phrase i want to bring back. >> wait, this is my idea. i was going to do this last week. >> you know what? you weren't here, so now it's mine. swell. i am tired of people using the word perfect. are you ever on tv -- on the telephone and you're ordering something and you go, yeah, i'll have a large order of chow mein, they say perfect, no, say swell. brilliant from british people, just say swell. tired of awesome from dennis rodman. say swell. from now on everybody say swell. >> isn't that a little antiquated? >> you know what, you're a terrible, awful little -- >> it was great though. >> a bad person. >> i was really going to do that last week. >> i was going to do something it's not the same as doing something. >> joshua, you are in trouble. joshua, our producer. >> this is the headline in the

story is how fast will poverty cost americans billions. americans have spent billions of dollars in the safety net mostly in food stamps for people who work for mcdonald's because mcdonald pays such slave labor wages, lay people cannot live on it. so they have to go get food stamps. and, eric, always say there's always food stamps, you can thank mcdonald's and other fast food places. >> you can't do that after one more thing. it's a segment where we debate it. >> i don't debate your points. >> well, on one more thing it's -- >> he resurrected the word swell. it's not the same thing. >> you bring in a thing that's so dishonest. >> and so hyperpartisan. >> yeah. >> i'm hyperpartisan at this table, okay, i'm glad we got that through. >> speaking of partisanship, did you know there was a fight that broke out on capitol hill this weekend? >> oh, geez. >> i was there to witness it.

it happened right there. takes a right hook to the face. >> are you involved in a dog fighting ring? >> i think they're kissing. >> that's it for "the five." thank you so much. we'll see you tomorrow. "special report" is next. this is a fox news alert. good evening. i'm bret baier in washington. several days of cautious optimism have given way to renewed partisan bickering tonight over an approaching debt ceiling and a current government shutdown entering its third week. this morning's house republican plan to end the stalemate was rejected with prejudice about democrats, so speaker boehner is trying once again. but there's a snag. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel has tonight's top story. good evening, mike. >> reporter: good evening, bret. after a day of twists and turns, we are in a holding pattern. a house rules committee meeting designed to start work on a bill to reopen the government and raise the debt ceiling has been postponed. it's been quite a