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support the older beatle? we'll make a prediction. caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now. ♪ ♪ >> hi, i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. you are looking at a live picture from washington, d.c. where the senate is voting to reopen the government. we expect that vote will pass fairly easily. so, what we're going to do is we are going to wing it here for a while. get a little vote and we are going it do our regular factor. but, the president may speak during this hour. if he does, i'm going to throw to my pal bret baier who is standing by in washington. you down there, baier? >> i am. hi, bill. >> that a boy. >> i am working indeed. >> if barack obama comes up to curtain call, whatever is he going to do tonight. i'm going it hand it over to you and can you take it, all right? >> that sounds good. >> all right.

now, in the meantime, does this bill have a name to it? i mean, what exactly -- i know they are voting to reopen the government and go ahead and fund until january 15th and then the debt ceiling until february 7th. i know all of that, but is there a name? is it lonnie's bill or something like that? >> no. it's an h.r. and 2775. the reason it's h.r. is it's a house bill started in the house. it has to go to the senate. obviously they are putting all of the deal in there and then they will send it back to the house. as you know in the constitution, the funding for the government has to start in the house. that's why they have this house vehicle h.r. 2775. so that is the official. >> there is no real name on it. the senate does kicks it back to the house. these guys got to stay up late tonight. we just heard boehner in the cold open speaker of the houses he thinks he lost. is that the prevailing wisdom you are hearing the republican party thinks they

lost in this? >> yeah, i mean, they didn't get a lot of out of it. and they are backed up against the wall and the house will vote. the senate just voted 83-16 over that cloture vote. so that was the big vote to watch in the senate. now they are going it vote currently and going to pass it right out of there. it goes to the house and they are jammed. they don't have any other options. so, that is the prevailing wisdom that republicans were on the wrong side of this, that, perhaps, the tactics were wrong from the beginning, many republicans saying that. but, in the big picture, they are going to be back at the table, bill, december is this budget conference committee where the house and senate try to reconcile two budgets. and then the next deadlines. january 15th for the continuing resolution and february 7th for the debt kreiger. >> look, i think people just want this to end. and they want these -- both parties to get together now. you said that part of this resolution that they are going to form new committees. and that's all we need is more committees. all right.

and then paul ryan is on. some democrats and they are trying to come together with some kind of look. here is what the budget should look like. we have got to cut a little bit of spending. maybe they will get it done, probably not. but, let's just keep optimistic for tonight. >> yeah. >> do we have cammeron and rosen? are they around? all right. rosen is around. james rosen. let's bring him in. so, rosen, i know you live for this. you love this kind of stuff. all right? >> people are getting fed up with it outside of the beltway. they have got a headache and all of this. i don't see it as a win-lose by the way for the republican party. they got two things, rosen. they got a verification of income, if you apply for obama care subsidies. they got that. that wasn't in there that's a good thing. and, what else did they get? they got one other thing. do you remember? >> oh, gosh. >> i'm blanking on that myself. >> look, first of all, bill,

if we were pals, if we really hung out which i extended that invitation for you for years now. you know i'm not jazzed by stuff like this which i am the new mccartney album which you are going to talk about that later. you asked bret about speaker boehner and where he stands on this and what is the sense of his future right now. there has been a lot of talk especially in liberal media about him being a speaker in name only and someone whose speakership is in danger and that is sort of mean. the fact is if you pay careful attention to what house republicans have been saying, just in the past 24 hours, particularly those who have not been so kind to speaker boehner throughout this episode, they are now saying more impressive things about him. he received a standing ovation from the house g.o.p. caucus when they met in the basement of the capitol this afternoon. and, from certain point of view, can you say that he merges at least within his own party and within the chamber of the house, in better standing, perhaps,

than when he entered this episode two weeks ago. >> all right. let's bring in carl cameron. why would that be then? if the tea party and we have, i hope we are going to be able to get to congressman steve king, tea party guy from iowa. you know, you never know how this stuff is going to float. but, why would the speaker boehner be now more acceptable to his own party if the republicans didn't get very much, cammeron? >> well, first of all, what part of the party are we talking about? that is the the tea party conservatives, the sort of 30 or so most conservative members of the republican conference in the house. and, they have been real thorn in the leadership's side, bucking john boehner and eric cantor and kevin mccarthy and others on things like the farm bill and host of things that were real embarrassments for the leadership. they could give him a headache. that was not the case today. in fact, louie gohmert, who actually attempted a coupe against boehner at the beginning part of this year a congressman from texas has said that there really isn't

any push to do that now, in part because boehner went the extra mile. he took this thing up right until now. it will pass the house sometime tonight. but perhaps even a second or two past midnight. who knows? and what many of these tea party conservatives who have been a real pain for boehner have said is, look, he gave us an opportunity to try it over and over and over again. he hung in there with us. and now is he acting as the speaker. let's remember, the speaker of the house is a constitutional office, and he is posed it represent everybody in the house. he is actually elected by all of the members. it just so happens that republicans have the majority and he was able to beat nancy pelosi. it's not entirely partisan gig. >> there is not a lot about we have got to surrender. it's more we fought the good fight and i will see what congressman king has to say about it baier, let me wring you back in for one more thing here. it's a fate of come plea, right, that the state is going to pass this funding bill it will go back to the house as you mentioned earlier. it looks like they will pass it as well. that's a consensus, right? >> yeah, definitely. this will be an easy vote in the senate. the house it, will be

interesting to see if speaker boehner gets a majority of his majority for this bill. especially since the president will be talking, we believe, sometime after the senate votes and how it effects house votes will be interesting to see. i do want to point out one thing. the income verification is really the only thing added to obama care. the other things are just dates on the board. the conference committee in december. january 15th and february 7th. there are some things in this bill which is pretty interesting, page 20 has $174,000 appropriated for the widow of former -- the late senator of new jersey frank lautenberg, a death gratuity. there is also funding for a dam project on 00 ohio river that quadruples the project from $775 million to 3 billion. so these are appropriated in this bill that deals with the opening of the government and the debt ceiling increase. things that don't often get talked about. >> yeah. i know. 3 billion to the federal

government is chump change these days with a approaching a 17 trillion-dollar debt so, what's another 3 billion. we will give it to the ohio dam people. interestingly enough, by the way, an alert to all the factor viewers, we are not going it take commercials for a while and that's good, right? that's a good thing. you guys get to see baier, cammeron, rosen and whoever else we can dredge up. you know, i have to say in my analysis of the whole thing. i think everybody, bret, and you are involved with this. i think everybody has come out looking badly. boehner may now be getting standing ovations from the guys that he has to caucus with and all of that. i don't think anybody won here. i really don't. >> you are exactly right. i mean, listen, the president took a hill. he had the lowest approval rating according to the associated press at 37%. didn't get talked about a lot. a lot of the talk was about the polls that hit republicans and clearly they were hit hard in poll after

poll. >> yeah p yep. >> but you are right. washington took a big hit. >> and the president. the president took a huge hit. he didn't lead. and i'm not saying this in any kind of ideological way. this could have been done in august. he didn't, you know. >> bill, you just hit it right on the head. these guys took august off we knew in july hit deadlines. now we are in october. mostly what this bill does is punt to buy more time. g.o.p. leaders haven't given up the fight to defund or delay obama care. 13 weeks that the next deadline will come um. take out a week for thanksgiving, a couple of weeks for christmas and new years. in nine weeks of work, they are going to be back at these very same shutdown, showdown debt limit problems all over again. they have gone full circle. >> bill, if i could jump in one observation i would like to make. which is that we did see something fairly extraordinary happen in this entire episode. that is that we saw some freshmen senators in the person of ted cruz and mike lee vault themselves into a

quasileadership role. exerting that leadership even across the chamber into the house. and that's unprecedented. many years ago, if you look back to the prewatergate era, you would have never seen in when we had a seniority system prevail this happen. why as carl cameron says we will be back in this problem box 13 weeks from now? is it just the typical spit ball fights between liberals and conservatives or democrats and republicans? the answer is that it is much easier now to primary an incumbent lawmaker than ever before. they are not dependent on the party. >> no, because there is a tea party. and now there is a different dynamic. it's not just, look, before you could get threatened. remember linden johnson used to say you don't vote my way kill you and bury you in the rio grande and whatever. >> go. >> yeah, it's done. this vote has passed 81 to 18. it goes now from the senate

to the house. that will be a short matter of time and the house will take it up pretty soon. once it gets over there, it's got a fast track. they have kind of moved the rules a little bit. so we could be within an hour or so before the house series of votes takes place. >> all right. you guys thanks very much. we appreciate it. but like i'm tired of you. so i have to get some glamour into this program. >> love you, too. >> so here we are. let's cut to the glamour, please. right now. >> dredged up. >> no. >> you said you were going to see what you could dredge up. >> no, no, no. i demanded. after looking for those three guys for six months? >> i don't blame you. >> the five has a room they keep these people in for days at a time. >> tonight want to kill each other. >> you know, you are a republican. you used to represent president bush to the press. people know that and they are going, well, the republicans got their butt

kicked and this and that i don't see it that way. i think everybody got their butt kicked. washington is experiencing on both sides the law of diminishing returns. every time they go back to budget fight they get less and less popular with the american people. on balance, if this was a battle, the democrats definitely won. >> do you think so? >> yes, i do. >> see, i don't. i don't think they won. i'm telling you that all of the american people now are fed up with everybody. okay? would you agree with that? >> yes. >> they're fed up with everybody. president, senate both parties. >> but more with the republicans than the president. >> yeah, but if you you look at the polling on the day-to-day you are correct. let's look at the big picture. >> okay. >> the factor always does that big picture. right now, obama care is as crystal as it's ever been in front of the american people. >> would you agree with that? >> yes. >> because that's what started this whole mess. let's try to deny the money to a law that was passed. why? because obama care is a disaster so far. would you agree with that? >> yes. i would say their rollout

has been a complete fiasco. >> you are agreeing with me on almost everything now. stay with me. the american people for the first time understand that this new law may not be working too well for them. okay? because they are going to have to pay more and they are not going to be seeing dr. well buy that much because dr. wellbuy is going to high tail it down to it the caribbean. he doesn't want to deal with this paperwork and chaos o. they have to look for another doctor and this and that once this i can presidency up speed next year, that obama care is not such a good thing anymore, that is now going to help the republicans much, much more than it would have if all of this went smooth and the obama care chaos and controversy was never raised. do you see where i am? >> i am except that if you were doing an algebra problem if took the last two weeks out you actually could get to the same conclusion without having to have warfare. i don't know. >> you wouldn't have had cruz. cruz was driving this thing. wouldn't have had him doing

the filibuster and the juggling and whatever he was doing. >> green eggs and ham. >> wouldn't have had that. all right? he would still be an obscure senator from texas first termer. >> would the democrats have had their best fundraising week? >> no, no. >> if you look at the raw numbers. >> that's all base. that's all base. you know this. that's all base. all that is liberal base. we love obama care. we don't care. >> what happens tomorrow when president obama starts pushing the immigration bill? what do you think happens to the republicans at that point. >> i think president obama's leadership with syria and the military families and obama care has taken a serious hit. it's going to take a long time for him to recover. >> the irs, benghazi and also just the tone. my gut instinct, everything tell me that president obama should not come out and talk right now in between the senate vote and the house vote. >> he has to. >> why? does he have talk after the senate vote. >> that an excellent question and i am the man to answer it he has to show leadership because he hasn't

shown any leadership in eight months because now is he going to be the statesmen. >> no. >> it's going to be a victory lap. >> i think that's being a jerk. coming out after the senate vote before the house does you are always making these guys swallow it. >> he has got to show in his mind leadership. >> i think he wants to go to bed. >> here are the no votes coburn from oak, cornyn from texas. cruz, and heller, johnson wisconsin. we had him on the other day. lee, of course, you utah. rand paul. rice, roberts, rubio. rubio from florida. scott, sessions, tomb my, vitter, grassley. they all voted no. >> great position for them to be in. >> why? >> because that's what their constituents wanted. because the vote passed 83-16. if you are in the 16, it doesn't matter. >> 81-18. >> so you got the result that you wanted. but here is the interesting thing. when you say that the republicans didn't lose, if you -- what do they actually tan jibbably get out of this except for keeping the

sequester cut? a delay? >> you ask so many good questions. >> maybe we should switch seats. >> i'm going to answer it. here is what the republicans get. independents are furious with the democratic party and president obama. furious. every poll says that. okay? that's what the republicans get. independents coming over. >> can they win those votes? is the brand so bad that the independents don't come and vote for them. >> now we are into speculation and we don't do than 00 factor. you do that on the factor a lot. >> predict? >> we can't. it all depends on who the leadership is against obama care. who emerges to articulate that this is a disaster? >> if i had predicted this result two weeks ago, which i did, would that have been a useful prediction? >> well, it's a. >> no one listens to me. >> it's a different prediction when you know what the equation is, all right? and i said the same thing after seeing you, i stole it because you are much smarter

than i am. i think most educated people knew they weren't going to defund obama care. >> no. >> the variable about the republican party winning big in the mid terms in 2014 is if they can coalesce around a message. >> the map and the calendar favors the republicans big time in 2014. >> keep fighting and throwing spit balls at each other and calling each other rinos and doing all this stuff that they are diagnose, then the democrats will probably prevail. but, if they can coalesce, this obama care thing is a disaster. it's hurting everybody. if they can just pound that home, last word, 10 seconds. >> if anything shows you that republicans need to win more elections it would be five votes makes a difference. so in 2014 they have a chance to at least get closer. >> once again vote tonight 81-18. now goes to the house for later vote. president obama. dana thanks very much. the factor will be right back on this fairly flamboyant evening.

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i'm bret baier in washington. we will head back to the o'reilly factor as soon as we can the senate has just passed a measure that will extended federal debt ceiling and end the partial government shutdown now in its third week. the final vote 81 in favor. 18 opposed. now the bill goes on to the house. now, we just learned that president obama will make a statement at the white house. very shortly. this measure ends the government shutdown and the finances the federal agencies until january 15th. that extends the continuing resolution. workers furloughed without pay when the shutdown began october 1st will receive back pay according to this bill which, again, heads to the house first but we are going to hear in a matter of minutes from the president of the united states. joining us now on the north lawn of the white house, i'm

sorry you are in the briefing room. ed, chief white house correspondent ed henry. >> it's been a long night, bret. no problem. the bottom line is the president will be coming out here in a couple of moments. the guidance we have gotten he is not going it speak very long. i think as you noted earlier on "special report" the president has to be very careful here. half of the job is essentially done with it getting through the senate it got through by a wide bipartisan margin. that's very good news by the white house obviously to get that behind them. there is another important step, obvious there that anyone who watched schoolhouse rock knows it stilgo-to-get through the house. now, it's expected to get through there because speaker boehner says is he going to bring it to the floor. lifted opposition and saying at the late hour time to end this. and he said, you know, he believes he fought the good fight and the fight will continue. his fight against the president's healthcare law, et cetera, in the weeks and months ahead. but john boehner signaling that he thinks this deal should now go through. certainly there are a lot of conservative members of his republican conference that are going to be voting no. protesting against. this do not like this deal

at all. but, if you combine just enough republicans with what we expect to be a vast majority of house democrats, this should get through. so, the president has got to be careful obviously speaking between these two votes that he doesn't do anything that looks like is he celebrating, like he is thumbing his nose at republicans in the house after this long protracted battle that could mess up this vote in any way, bret. >> okay. ed henry, it's supposed to start in about a minute. we know how these things go. stand by if you would. jonah goldberg editor national review online. kirsten powers columnist for the daily beast and syndicated columnist charles krauthammer ed with the schoolhouse rock reference welcome. >> yes. what about this? the president in between votes kind of rare? talking about this on the panel. i think it's simply a bad call. i think maybe that he wants to go to bed. doesn't want to wait at the house. maybe wants to be out in prime time. maybe one of the explanations i think is more likely is that this is at a

spite. that he is trying to do a little tweaking of the republicans before the vote, maybe chase a few more republican votes away. >> kirsten? >> yeah, it's strange for him to do this. i guess there is no way to know for sure what his motivation is. you are saying he would get people to not vote for it? >> if he can sort of gloat and spike the ball a little bit, it will -- may have the un -- the anticipated effect of having some republicans vote against. >> i don't know why he would want to do that. >> we are under two minutes now. your thoughts? >> if it's because he wants to go to bed early, we'll know it if he comes out in a bath robe. >> look, i think he has got a choice here he can be magnanimous or small we will see this if he does this as a victory dance or he says this is a win for the country i do think he might have some incentive to drive some republicans away from how weak the speaker hold on

caucus to he a agree to allow this to go -- he does not have control of the i think splitting the republican caucus between now and the end of his presidency is going to be the key for him to enact any legislation. >> i mean, isn't this what he has talked about before, kirsten, splitting the republicans to the point where he could get through what he wants to get through? >> yeah. and i have defended that strategy. i think that when you are president, you do want to have a congress that you can work with. this is not a congress, i think, demonstrably that this president can work -- can absolutely not work with. >> he chose not to negotiate from the beginning. >> there wasn't much of a negotiation. they wanted to defend his signature achievement. i don't know -- negotiation implies that you are offering something that you could maybe agree on. and that is a nonstarter. so, i think the president is open to negotiating with o -- about some things. he is just not going to negotiate about that.

>> i think is he completely open to negotiating with people who completely agree with him already. when he came into office, he didn't talk to republicans about healthcare for what was about 50 weeks. when he did he did it stay stage where he tried to browbeat them. he didn't call mitch mcconnell for the first 18 months of his presidency. he didn't deal with republicans at all for the first two years because he had the democrats. his entire legislative agenda including obama care is built around a partisan approach and he -- >> talking to the republicans would have somehow built support for obama care which we all know is not true. the things that he did do to try to reach out to them like having exchanges which conservatives used to like, for example, didn't help them at all. i think he did certain things, the mandate used to be a conservative idea. that wasn't even part of his plan when he was running for president. he incorporated that -- nothing was going to bring anybody. >> i don't think mandate he admitted later it was the only way that-to-pay for it. >> is this a private fight? >>. no we can all join in.

>> there is a contemporary republican, conservative idea. there was several that he could have incorporated apart from the old ones from the 90's. and one of them was, for example, tort reform and i think he had offered something on that he might have had cooperation. >> briefing room in between votes on this big night. >> republicans and democrats in congress have come together around an agreement that will reopen our government and remove the threat of default from our economy. the senate has now voted to approve this agreement, and democrats and republicans in the house still have an important vote to take. but i want to thank the leaders of both parties for getting us to this point. once this agreement arrives on my desk, i will sign it immediately. we will begin reopening our government immediately. and we can begin to lift this cloud of uncertainty and unease from our businesses and from the american people. i will have more to say

about this tomorrow, and i have got some thoughts about how we can move forward in the remainder of the year and stay focused on the job at hand. because there is a lot of work ahead of us, including our need to earn back the trust of the american people that's been lost over the last few weeks. and we can begin to do that by addressing the real issues that they care about. i have said it before, i will say it again. i am willing to work with anybody. i am eager to work with anybody, democrat or republican, house or senate members. on any idea that will grow our he economy, create new jobs, strengthen the middle class, and get our fiscal house in order for the long term. i have never believed that democrats have a monopoly on good ideas. and despite the differences over the issue of shutting down our government, i'm convinced that democrats and republicans can work together to make progress for america. in fact, there are things

that we know will help strengthen our economy that we could get done before this year is out. we still need to pass law fix broken immigration system. we still need to pass a farm bill. and with the shutdown behind us. we now have an opportunity to focus on a sensible budget that is responsible, that is fair, and that helps hard working people all across this country. and we could get even this year if everybody comes together in the spirit of how are we going to move this country forward and put the last three weeks behind us. that's what i believe the american people are looking for, not a focus on politics. not a focus on elections. but a focus on the concrete steps that can improve their lives. that's going to be my focus. i'm looking forward to congress doing the same. but, once again, i want to thank the leadership for

coming together and getting this done. hopefully next time, it won't be in the 11th hour. one of the things that i said throughout this process is we have got to get out of the habit of governing by crisis. and my hope and expectation is that everybody has learned that there is no reason why we can't work on the issues at hand, why we can't disagree between the parties while still being agreeable, and make sure that we're not inflicting harm on the american people when we do have disagreements. so, hopefully, that is a lessen that will be internalized and not just by me but also by democrats and republicans, not only the leaders but also the rank and file. thank you very much, everybody. >> is this going to happen all over again in a few months? >> okay. president obama and the white house briefing room, speaking for just over three minutes saying that he will

sign this bill. once it arrives on his desk immediately. even though the house has not acted yet, he wanted to thank leaders of both parties for getting to this point he said. and he said there is still more to do, including, he listed immigration reform, the farm bill, and the budget. we're back with our panel jonah goldberg, kirsten powers, and charles krauthammer. charles, thoughts on that statement? >> i thought he had the right tone. he got at the very end at the got a slight owe beak dig in about hurting the american people and all of that. but i thought his tone was not vindictive one and he wasn't dancing in the end zone. and i think he was open about what he wants to do. he would like to do a pivot. he knows he has gotten some political advantage even though democrats and republicans have been hurt here. he knows the republicans have been hurt a lot more. so he is thinking that perhaps he can pivot now and exploit that on immigration where the entire issue was floundering from his point

of view. on what he said about the fiscal discussions that are now going to start about the budget, i'm quite sure he will not budget on requiring higher taxes. we will return to the impasse that has prevented a bargain all the way through back to 2011. and i think that's going to dead lock. >> kirsten? >> yeah. i thought it was the perfect tone. i thought he was very gracious. the dig at the end was particularly bad. considering what's just happened. and you know, it will be interesting to see what he has to say tomorrow. but i think that he, yeah, i thought he just had exactly the right tone and gave credit to both parties and very hopeful. >> you are just happy with it. jonah? >> i think maybe he just wanted to get out of doing the dishes and figured if he ran to the briefing room he could sort of have a good excuse for that? no. maybe just on the tone a little more grading because i is he basically doing the same act for a very long time of trying and it's

smart politics to seem as reasonable as possible. and the defense of reasonable is agreeing with his agenda but that's still a tone works very well when you have got republicans at each other's throats. >> is there any sense that immigration reform or this whole other list that the president has in mind has any more of a chance getting through tonight than it did last week? >> i don't think so. i think sometimes he shows a real thumbless grasp on the republican politics. and the reality is that the republicans are going to look for an issue to be unified on. and if it's not the immigration thing i don't know what it's going to be. >> i'm not sure. you had the conservatives in the house caucus who twice humiliated the boehner yesterday. he came out of the end of yesterday looking lost. he had nothing. he could produce. and in the end they had to ratify what the senate did. so i'm not sure that the wounds are going to heal or that it is going to it be a way to have them all come

together because of this defeat. but, i do -- so i think there is a marginal advantage for the democrats coming out of this on immigration reform. but i too don't think that it's going to be enough to actually enact either of those things. >> okay. we're going to take a break here. as our special coverage of the president's remarks. we'll come back after this short break. live coverage from washington. a big night, a vote in the senate and a vote in the house that is upcoming. we'll be back at 11:00 p.m. eastern by the way for a special edition of "special report." and i'm being told that the president's remarks, having been wrapped up, he will not say anything until tomorrow, but the house is moving forward in about one hour. i have been told in my ear that the house will start to move on its vote. again, we are covering all of this live for you on fox news channel special

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little help here. geico. fifteen minutes could save you...well, you know. anybody? >> welcome back to washington. let's take you back to the white house, chief white house correspondent ed henry as the president wrapped up.

ed, your thoughts? >> well, bret, before the president spoke, we talked about schoolhouse rock and how you have to get a bill through the senate and the house. we also used to learn on saturday mornings we had to be nice to one another or our classmates. the president tried to set that tone as charles mentioned that, look, they have got to pick up the pieces that both parties have lost some trust. the president acknowledge would that over the last three weeks and i thought was significant that he said look, i'm going to be brief here because of what you noted earlier about him having to be careful to not interfere with house vote and look like he is either spiking the football on the end zone one hand and celebrating where democrats got more out of this than republicans certainly did and also didn't want to take pot shots at republicans and have them get angry before this house vote and have some last minute snafu but made it clear that he will have longer remarks tomorrow where he wants to sort of lay out his vision of how the next few months will play out in terms of those important by bipartisan budget negotiations. are they going to kick the can down the road or actually tackle some of

these big issues like entitlement reform for example. interesting moment you might not have caught as the president was walking away. he we were told he wasn't going to take questions. reporters shouted out aren't you basically going to be in the same boat a few months from now. the president stopped, turned with kind of a smile and said. no and then turned back and went through the door. you might not have seen that what's interesting is we will see if that is polyan issue in. if that's too much to hope for that all the sudden magically both parties are going to come together or whether or not two or three months from now as the deadlines start coming back that we'll be back in the same boat we have been in before, bret. >> the super committee not a great track record to look back at. looking ahead at this budget committee there is really not a history of this working. >> that's right. if you go back to 2011, similar issues that the president laid out, briefly in these remarks about uncertaintied in the marks. uncertainty in the economy. how damage was done. moodies lowering credit rating in 2011 simply

because of that debate about the debt ceiling. of course, there was no default then but the entire debate, the uncertainty did lead to that downgrade. fears of that again now. and so the president was sort of pointing out that, look, we have been in this situation before despite those fears in 2011 super committee to work. the two fold one the stars were aligned for them to coming downfall of 2011. secondly there was real teeth with scwetsster cuts. so painful that both parties would make sure they would do their jobs. well, they still didn't do their jobs. that's why there is going to be a lot of people skeptical that they just kicked the can down the road again, bret. >> ed henry live in the briefing room. let's check in with chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel on the hill where the house is getting ready to vote. how long do you think this is going to go, mike? >> bret, that's a great question. we have not gotten more

concrete guidance but we are told it would go extremely quickly that some the process stuff and i won't bore you with it was being eliminated to move this along and members were told after this vote essentially they could go wrong after being stuck here during the government shutdown for the past 16 days. a lot of house republicans during the day to get a sense about their feelings of john boehner's leadership as speaker of the house. a lot of them say he fought the good fight. he listened it his conference they wanted to fight, fight, fight. even though he didn't think shutting down the government was a good area to fight on o. listened to the troops. offered last minute suggestions yesterday didn't have the votes. so here they are. a lot of the house republicans i have been talking to say they appreciate his efforts. they respect his courage and it's an imperfect bill they are going to vote on tonight. they would like to pick another field. more strategic field in which to fight in the future. as you mentioned, talking about that budget conference, a lot of people

trying to figure out whether that is going to be a serious attempt. whether it's going to have some real opportunity for success, or whether it will be be another one of these blue ribbon pams in washington that won't go anywhere, bret. >> real quickly, any hurt feelings or anything about the president coming in between votes before the house has acted? >> i think everybody was watching for the president's tone to see whether he was going to do an end zone dance or spike the football, to so to speak. i think because he chose his words carefully at this point, i have not heard any feedback from any contacts that i have been talking to throughout the course of the day that this may jeopardize the vote. house democratic leader nancy pelosi said her members were going to come out strong for this bill that she thought they would be in good shape. we know from a number of house republicans they would like to move on from this and go on and fight somewhere where they really have a chance of making a difference as opposed to this temporary fix to some of our problems, bret. >> okay. we will see. mike emanuel live on the hill. mike, thank you. we'll be right back after this break.

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>> it gives us a chance to sit down in the budget process to see if we can't work something out. i just think that we are on a spending trajectory that's unaffordable for the american people. >> yeah. >> going to create more debt. it needs to be dealt with. we have fought the good fight. we did everything we could to get them to the table and to negotiate. they just kept saying no, no, no, no. and so we fought the good fight. there is no reason for our members to vote no today. >> do you have ill feelings towards senator cruz? >> no, listen, republicans up here, we are -- because

we are republicans, we are a little bit more independent-minded than our friends across the aisle. some are more independent than others. listen, there is no giving up on our team, none. and there is no giving up in me. >> speaker boehner calling in to a cincinnati radio show. we are back with our panel jonah goldberg national editor of national review online. kirsten powers and syndicated columnist charles krauthammer. independent-minded, charles? >> yeah. that independence went against leadership and had you a crisis in the house which i still think remains unresolved. even though the speaker got a standing ovation at the caucus meeting today. i think he did earn the respect of the hard line conservatives of the way he fought the fight. i don't think it's going to change the views. the leadership wants to do stuff. and i think they there are many in the caucus who think that it's a betrayal of principle if you end up come he pro-mizeing or not going after the big stuff like obama care. one word of optimism. i think there might be a

chance for some opening of real negotiation and the budget process. and that is because the difference between now and before, two years ago is that the sequester is in place. meaning the automatic cuts which is really hurting any idea that liberals or democrats have of expanding social programs. so, the republicans have something to offer. some relief on the sequester, which would increase the budget. in return for some changes in entitlements, which has a long range effect but has a much larger effect on deficits. i think the basis of a deal on that, which would not involve raising of taxes, is possible. if there is anybody who can do it, it's paul ryan who will be leading the g.o.p. side. >> for all the talk though, kirsten, about speaker boehner and the possibility that he might lose his speakership, boy, hearing republicans today, even the most conservative, they think they gave him a

chance. he gave them a chance. they voted. and he listened to them. >> look, i think everybody knows this was probably -- well not just probably we know john boehner didn't want to do this and he did it because his caucus wanted to do it. they should be happy with him. this is something that he advised against but he still went out and did it. and i don't think they have any reason to aban dom him at this point especially because i think they probably hopefully for the republicans have seen that this was not the best course for them to take and he was actually right in the beginning. so, but in terms of, you know, hopefulness moving forward, the democrats, you know, with sequestration they want it to end completely basically. i think charles is right that there could be some kind of negotiating there. where they are desperate to end it. they think it's really slowing down the economy. it's really causing a drag. and it's sort of, you know, capricious. it's not thoughtful. they want -- if you are going to have cuts, they want them to be more soft. >> look forward to this budget conference committee

and be optimistic about it. >> um-huh. >> just play. >> i will do that. >> what kind of cuts, what kind of things could republicans look forward to, possibly, if all goes cuts, thi could republicans look for if all goes well? what do you think they could ex tract? >> when boehner calls ted cruz independent oh minded, i bet when boehner is cut off in traffic he screams, boy, that guy is independent-minded! i don't think that's how he would describe him off mic. you can do something. i think charles is right. >> changes the social security equation. you do small things like grandfather people on en titlements in so you are not cutting any current stuff. you lock in small statistical changes that over time generate huge changes in the deaf the sit in exchange for increases in discretionary spending on the sequester stuff.

pushing retirement age back or those things are possible. >> for that to happen, democrats want the sequester to come off. >> right. so republicans will have to kind of barter with that. >> yes. but kirsten is right. the democrats will want a lifting of the sequester. you don't start by offering it if you're a republican. you give me a little of this. we give you a little of that. the two elements are that. raising the retirement age which can be done in a gradual way and changing the formula for increasing the cost of living adjustment on social security which starts as a small change but year after year becomes huge. it is a clear trade-off. republicans are increasing short-term spending by a certain amount by lifting the sequester or by easing it.

but getting in return a change in the curve of the huge entitlement spending which could save the budget in the end. i think that's a doable event. i think that's what they are going to do. ryan can't do tax re form which would be a win, win, win. that's what reagan did with tip o'neal. obama insists it has the to include a hiking of taxes. >> the bill passed 81 o-18 tonight. now it makes its way to the house. we are told 9:30 eastern time. they will ship toyota the house. then there will be a short time and the plan is for the house to call up the senate bill by unanimous consent. so they skip through the rules process and move it forward. that should start dete bait after that. if things go well -- and off aen they don't in washington, they

will forge forward with an hour of debate and go to the vote series. we expect this to sail through. you never know. >> no, with don't. hopefully there won't be hold-ups in it. just going back to what we were talking about. the president has offered chain cpi before. that's something he'll be open to. the question is whether or not republicans -- are they going to be willing to lift the sequester which is. you know, in the first year of the sequester they have been able to move money around. the second year they can't do it as much. they had left over money. it will hit the defense department. i think democrats will be dug in on this in terms of it getting lifted. >> we get in the weeds in washington. it's important stuff. last thing, looking forward to ethics year rs an election year, will voters remember this moment? will i they remember this time next year? >> i think they will.

it's legitimate to say the republican brand -- i hate that word -- the has been damaged. how much remains to be seen. there is an interesting question. since this will recede in the rear view miles an hou miiew mi question is whether obama care eclipses what was not a great moment for republicans. >> charles? >> i think it's really the effect has been radically increase ed by the unbelievably unbalanced coverage of the media. it's accepted on the main stream media that this is because republican republicans without pointing out intransigence on the part of the democrats. even though the elections are a year away which would be unusual. usually it dissipates quickly. i think this will stick. >> panel, thaupg for this special coverage of a big night in washington. a final thought and laying out

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to locate a store near you, visit greatcall.com. greatcall-- people you can count on. here's where we are. the senate passed a measure to egs tend the federal debt ceiling and end the partial government shutdown that's been in its third week. the final vote 81 in favor, 18 opposed. the bill is literally on its way to the house where some tea party conservatives are still very unhappy that there is not a provision to defund or delay the president's health care overhaul. that's all behind that. house passage is anticipated tonight with a lot of democratic votes. the measure head it is to the president's desk. he said he'll sign it immediately and the government will re-open immediately after he signs the bill. budget measure passed by the senate finances the agencies until january 15.

that's the extension. workers furloughed without pay i when the shutdown began october 1 will receive back pay. we'll bring you all of the latest details on fox news channel. we'll be back at 11:00. let's send you to megyn kelly now. tonight on "the kelly file," break ing news on the debt deadline and the showdown over the shutdown. polle technicians in washington have reached a deal and it does nothing to address the nation's $17 trillion debt. just whose responsibility is that? plus, tough new questions today. why did the occupy wall street protesters get a pass from capital cops when american vets were punished by the same police department. >> do you consider it a monument you helped build or is it smoking pot at mcpherson square? sprks trey