and be sure to follow on us twitter @jeronfnc. hope to see you right here next week. fox news alert. police in florida are now searching for two convicted killers mistakenly let out of prison, thanks to bogus documents. hello, everyone, glad you're with us. welcome to america's news headquarters. >> joseph jenkins and charles walker, they were serving life in prison but authorities said they were released within the past month when their sentences were reduced to 15 years because of those forged documents. brian is live in our newsroom with the latest. >> florida legislatures are calling for investigative hearings into how these dangerous and embarrassing mistakes are happening. the mother of one of the escaped inmates and a father figure for

joseph jenkins are expected to compa come out and speak. we will have those comments as soon as we get them. jenkins walked out of a jail in the florida panhandle september 27. he was convicted of murder in 1998. walker walked out of the same jail ten days later on october 8th. he was convicted of murder in 1999. we know now both men managed not only to forge documents but just three days after their releases, they walked into an orlando area jail where they were finger printed, photographed and registered as felons. a requirement under the law. the men everything not to raise red flags. authorities didn't release their mistake until tuesday. now, orange county police are offering a $10,000 reward apiece for any information that leads to their capture. >> the most recent information that we have is that these individuals are likely still

right here in this immediate community. >> the forged documents were sophisticated. police believe they did it with the help of an unknown accomplice. the documents included signatures of prosecutors, a judge, and even correctly cited case law. the widow of the man killed by jenkins says she fears for her family. interestingly, the fake documents have the signatures of the judge in the casey anthony murder trial. >> people are very creative. people spend time trying to break out of jail and there are various ways to break out of jail. and guess what, this was one enterprising way to what, break out of jail. >> that's one way of putting it. the florida department of corrections is now requiring prisons to have orders verified by sentencing judges and they're going being ba and examining all prison release orders from every former inmate in the state.

>> it's unbelievable. thank you very much for the update. >> the stepmother of one of those florida girls charged with bullying a girl to death, well, the mother now facing charges of her own. rebecca killed herself by jumping off a tower at a cement plant and now vivian vossburg, there's her picture, under arrest. she is facing multiple charges of child abuse. after this videotape surfaced reportedly showing her beating children inside her home. little difficult to see on that one. but vossburg's daughter is one of two girls charged with stalking rebecca. take a listen to the sheriff. >> vivian is the same person who told at least two different media outlets on national television, my daughter would never bully anybody. she would never do that. and she referred to her as her daughter, but really it's not her daughter, it's a step

relationship to the man she lives with, ostensibly, her husband. and i can tell you this, ladies and gentlemen, once again, i repeated it earlier in the week, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. >> indeed. coming up, our legal panel will be talking about that very subject. weigh in on the entire case.

52 in chicago, 56 in kansas city. it's warmer actually in new york city. 63. than it is in dallas, texas. that cold is on the way. let's take it hour by hour. as we go overnight, we're going to see temperatures drop into the 30s for a lot of folks across the northern plains. the midwest, the great lakes. again, that air is going to continue to sink southward and eastward. by the end of next week, we could actually see those frost advisories over the gulf coast region. we do have a frontal boundary that's bringing some showers and thunderstorms over the gulf coast. nothing major here. just some nuisance rainfall. we've got cold enough air for

snow across the upper midwest and the northern plains as we take a look at our next storm system that moves through. it's not going to dump a lot of snow but it could be a little shock to the system. again, your highs are going to drop over the next couple of days. again, daytime high, not overnight low, into the 30s in a lot areas. that cold air going to sink southward and eastward. by thursday, friday, we are going to be feeling here it all along the eastern seaboard with temperatures in the 50s. i just want to point out, this is a super typhoon, an equivalent to category 5. 160-mile-per-hour sustained winds. this is a textbook typhoon. look at the seymmetry of the storm. it could skirt japan.

unbelievable power in the western pacific as the typhoon continues to barrel towards japan. >> let's hope that doesn't go there. >> they're going to be dealing with more rain and wind in an area that's very vulnerable, that got last week's typhoon in their way. the nation's capital is remembering the legacy of the longest tenured republican member of congress. congress young of florida died yesterday. he had been there about two weeks after he was hospitalized for back problems. just last week, mr. young announced he would not seek a 23rd term. having already served 43 years in the house. president obama issuing a statement saying he will be remembered for his advocacy and support for the arped forces, service members and their families and long history working across the aisle to keep our country moving forward.

congressman bill young was 82 years old. nba legend bill russell arrested at a airport checkpoint. what did officers find? and their top democrat in the u.s. senate says another shutdown could cost republicans control of the house. is he right about that? we're going to put that question to a top republican lawmaker, congressman peter king joins us.

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we're learning that gadha gadhafi's former palace in libya is expected to be turned into a theme park. d gadhafi was killed by rebel forces. now president bush is donating his wild socks to charity. his cactus socks. is he wearing them? can't see them, but his socks will be auctioned off to benefit the roman catholic diocese of portland. >> nice style. in a new interview with univision, the senate majority leader harry reid is saying that republican senator ted cruz's presidential ambitions caused the government shutdown. senator reid also had harsh words for republicans who rallied around cruz's strategy in the shutdown in an interview

set to air tomorrow. the diplomatic leader says, quote, if this happens again, i do not think it whicill, but if does, i think the house of representatives will go democrat. joining us, congressman peter king, a member the house financial services committee. always good to see you. you're a republican. you don't often agree with democrat harry reid but in this case, is the majority leader right when he implied that, you know, the ego of ted cruz and his presidential ambitions are largely to blame for the shutdown that hurt many americans? >> i don't know what was going on in ted cruz's mind. as far as his ego or running for president. but i think he was totally wrong on this. in that pursuing this whole concept of shutting down the government and somehow thinking that the democrats and the president were going to back down. they weren't. and it really ended up being just like a charge of the light brigade for us. and what we should have done, what we should do, is focus on

the budget, focus on the debt ceiling, and try to get refors, and take the -- and not threaten to shut the government down. >> that never happens. this has been going on forever. we've got two months to work out a deal. then it never happens. then something else happens. how's this going to be any different, congressman? >> we have to try to make it different. shutting down the government is not going to work. all we did there was spent 16 days of the government shutdown. 800,000 people were paid not to work. and it's going to cost us i don't know how many millions or billions to reopen the government. what it's going to require is having the leadership both from the president, who really was missing the last time, and he sort of got off on the last one, because everything was focused on the government shutdown and he was missing on it. it's up to us to drive the message really. >> he followed valerie jarrett's advice and it turned out well because republicans in the end

raised the flag and catched in. look, back to ted cruz. conservative columnist compared cruz and his senate colleague mike lee to the movie "animal house" and you remember the dumb stunt at the end of the film. let me quote, you were able and clever, unlike them, you are apparently unaware that your shutdown gesture was really futile and stupid. has cruz especially damaged and degrated your party, the republican party? >> well, he certainly hurt himself. to the extend that we stay allied with him on crusades, it is going to hurt us. i've called on other republicans to mention tend cruz by name. all i know is he is personally responsible. we can't allow ourselves to be led down the path again.

it goes nowhere. there's no winning strategy. we have to cut him off. >> i mean, he did another interview. and, you know, he said i might do this again. >> well, he can't do it unless 20 or 25 republicans in the house go along with him. they can't do that. i spoke out against this from the start. john boehner is going to have to make it clear to these 20, 25 house republicans who want cruz to be his leader that they can't bring the entire house of republican along with them. you can't have 20, 25 people determining the policy of the house of representatives. >> i don't want to characterize what he said. let me just correct that. for the better part of three weeks, the shutdown and the debt ceiling consume media coverage. it really sucked the air out of another big story. maybe a bigger story. the disastrous launch of the

health care exchanges. did cruz succeed in giving president obama cover on that embarrassing debacle that threatens the viability of obama care? >> greg, i think president obama should send cruz a campaign donation. because this is the worst start-up of any program ever with obama care. and yet its popularity will help in the polls because so much was focused on the government shutdown. he definitely helped obama care and he definitely helped obama whose own numbers have been slipping. again, president obama was missing in action. did a terrible job here. but he cape out of this pretty much unscathed. ted cruz, this was wrong from the start and it was a political disaster. apart from all the damage that it caused innocent people. >> as always, good to see you, sir, thank you. >> thank you. coming up, a study, a new

study involving patients with type 2 diabetes. why lifestyle changes -- well, i don't want to give it away, but stay tuned to find out if you should change your lifestyle or not. >> and former vice president dick cheney is out with a new book. why he thought his pacemaker could be a target for terrorists. details on a potential plot right out of the show "homeland." [ woman #1 ] why do i cook? ♪ because an empty pan is a blank canvas. ♪ [ woman #2 ] to share a moment. ♪ [ man #1 ] to remember my grandmother. [ woman #3 ] to show my love. ♪ [ woman #4 ] because life needs flavor. ♪ [ woman #5 ] to travel the world without leaving home. [ male announcer ] whatever the reason. whatever the dish. make it delicious with swanson. [ woman #1 ] that's why i cook. test test

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championship series in front of a hometown crowd. game one of the world series is wednesday against the winner of the alcs between the boston red sox and detroit tigers. medical news now, a new study on diabetes. lifestyle changes can reduce your risk of developing type 2 diabeteses. but there is no strong evidence that lifestyle changes will benefit patients who already have the disease. let's bring in our board certified and l.a. physician and assistant professor. >> thanks for having me. >> we have to go over this again. those at high risk for developing diabetes, lifestyle changes did prevent progression. if you already have it, you won't benefit.

are you surprised? >> it is a little surprising. this was a meta analysis. they looked at several studies and then reviewed them all and then divided them in two groups. people with a lifestyle intervention are at fd weren't diabetics yet. what they found is yes if you do improve your lifestyle, diet, exercise and included things like smoking cessation. if you did those things, your risk of developing diabetes would go down and it was helpful. when they looked at people who had diabetes it didn't actually in these studies change mortality. heart disease, stroke, eye and kidney disease which are all related to blood vessels being damaged by the diabetes. >> as a physician i will ask you, it is certainly the folks who have the type 2 diabetes that we are talking about, it does president give them -- it doesn't give them license to

eat with reckless abandon this. >> no, don't throw out your sneakers and pick up the remote and hang out at home eating. that's true. if you looked at the studies there was six months of intervention. it takes several years to come down with the disease. maybe the six months of intervention wasn't enough. i think we need to do more long-term studies. nobody says living a lifestyle is harmful and you shouldn't do it. it is still part of living better when you get older and not being sick all the time. we are not advocating to give it all up. we have to bear out a longer study and say okay if you followed lifestyle for a longer course, could you lessen the disease? we say two-thirds of -- are because of lifestyle. >> maybe a year from now we will see that the lifestyle changes helped those with type stwo.

always good to see you. >> it is good to be here. thanks. >> thank you. all right. want to go to live pictures now of falls church, virginia, former secretary of state hillary clinton is there and she is endorsing former dnc terry mccough -- mccoulough. it is her first campaign event since stepping down as secretary of state. he raised a lot of money for her husband when he was running for president and he has been a close confidant of the clintons for many years, so no surprise. >> coming up, what the appearance could mean for lynn ton's own political ambitions in 2016.

fox news alert on a brazen prison escape now raising serious questions. two convicted murderers on the loose after being mistakenly released from a florida state prison. both are serving life sentences literally walking out the door. hello, everyone. so glad you can be with us. >> welcome to a new hour of inside america's news headquarters. a massive manhunt is now underway for those two fugitives. the sheriff leading the search and calling this whole mix up, quote, a system failure. well that's an understatement. ryan is following this in our newsroom. if you are in the military you

would call it something else, but i hillary train from that term. it is a mess. >> it is a mess. we have updates. the orange county sheriff's office finished up a press conference where the loved ones of walker and jenkins pleaded for them to turn themselves in. charles walker was freed from a panhandle jail on september 27th and picked up by his family. he spent the next week with his family appearing in public places and even going before his church. he has since disappeared and police say the family has made no attempts to hide him. >> i know who you are. your family knows who you are and we want you to return home safely. we love you. we believe in you. we want you to surrender yourself. >> meanwhile, a father figure to joseph jenkins who escaped with forminged documents from the jail 10 days later on

october 8th said in that same press conference that they traveled six hours to pick him up from the prison. they even visited their grandmother's home afterwards and all was normal until it wasn't. >> his birthday was going to be october 1st. we had a birthday party for him, but he was a no show. >> a know show, and he has been a no show ever since. the forged documents were sophisticated and they did it with the help of an unknown accomplice. it had signatures of prosecutors and a judge and cited case law. the fake documents have the signatures of the judge in the kasey anthony judge. the family of the woman she killed is now worried. they are calling for inmate raw lease verified. they are going back and looking at prison released orders at every former inmate

in the state. greg? >> thanks very much. the republican candidate for virginia governor is blasting the bumpy rollout of obamacare amid growing questions on whether this program will even survive its rough start. take a listen to this. president obama's ideas are deeply flawed. the implementation has been a national embarassment. let me be plain. the law that carries the president's name is the hallmark of a reckless federal government that has lost its way. >> he is a staff writer for "the hill." by anybody's account this is a nightmare. one of our reporters in fact has tried to gain access to the last 19 days and he can't even log-in. same thing over at the new york times. they can't do it.

and when people managed to get on, they can't even create an account or get pricing or competitive quotes or find out about subsidees and doctors. the list of things that don't work is endless. some states have nobody signed up. delaware managed one person who signed up. is this turning into the biggest bough -- debacle of president obama's presidency? >> it could be. if they are unable to enroll millions of people by march, the exchanges could stumble out of the gate. prices could sky rocket if the risk pools are out of balance. there is no question that there is a very heavy lift facing federal health officials at this time. the truth is we will have to wait a couple months to see if the federal health department gets their act together. they have had an enormous amount of traffic. it means people are interested

in getting coverage. >> it could be looky lous. >> certainly some. >> who knows if they are accurate? the president, he keeps trying to shrug this off and downplay it. listen to this. >> like every new law and every new product rollout there are glitches in the sign up process that we will fix. i have been saying this from the start. >> anyone that went on to say apple had glitches too. but in fairness to apple, they don't ship products that don't work and then force people to buy the products. the press secretary says his old boss is full of it. gibbs is saying these are not glitches at all. they are huge architectural problems in the software. tech experts warn this could take months. is that what you are hearing? >> yes. it is true that we are not even aware of the scope of the problems yet, greg. the truth is that people have been trying to create accounts which is the first stage in the enrollment process.

they can't even get past that. it is possible that once they do stage two and three could encounter their own glitches. federal health officials are aware of this. they are working around the clock to fix the problems. they are reminding people they have six months to sign up. we know the obama administration, the discretion to extend the enrollment period. >> let me ask you about a well-known columnist and she is experienced in i.t. she wrote this, quote, if the exchanges don't get fixed soon, they could destroy obamacare and possibly the rest of the private insurance market. she wept on to explain -- went on to explain that it is dependent on young people signing up, but if it is too hard they won't do it it. and then you hit the death spiral as it is known. could obamacare systemically implode?

>> it's a good question. i am not sure the failure of the exchanges would destroy the private insurance market. we have to remember that most americans, the vast majority, ar ensured through their work or through a program like medicare or tri care. we are talking about a small group of americans. >> that is different than obamacare exchanges. you have 48 million people who are uninsured out there. the whole goal of this is to get a bare minimum of 7 million. >> that's right. >> if you don't, and you have to get it by march according to the administration, the whole system falls. >> it is true. you need the risk pools to be in balance in order for people to be paying a certain premium. they certainly do need young people to balance out the sick patients that will now be insured through the market places. they can't discriminate against people with preexisting conditions. there is no question and we have to watch and see what

happens over the next couple months. >> thanks for being with us. good to see you. >> good to see you too. thanks, greg. >> let's go to virginia where the governor's race is heating up and the candidate is getting some high-profile help. there she is. she is speaking right now former secretary of state hillary clinton attending a campaign event for former dnc chair terry mccaullife. we are live in washington now with more. we already heard that mrs. clinton said she has greeted the familiar faces in the crowd, molly. >> hi, arthel. she just started speaking a few minutes ago. she is endorsing terry mc mccauliffe. and there is talk about whether she is gearing up to enter the presidential fray in 2016. mccaullife was the chair of president clinton's campaign and one of the co chair of

clinton's 1996 re-election campaign. hillary clinton has hosted and will host more fundraisers for mccauliffe. and mcauliffe said she showed women there is no limit to what they could accomplish. this event today is to drum up women support for mcauliffe. you have mcauliffe campaigning campaigning with hillary clinton and on the republican side you have the gop candidate for the governor of virginia and campaigning with the former presidential candidate, former arkansas govenor mike huckabee who is also a fox news host. the current attorney general of virginia has been an opponent of obamacare and his campaign put out a statement on the mcauliffe event with clinton. he said there are a few things you won't hear them talk about today. you won't hear them mention their vocal support for big government policies like obamacare. and nor will you hear them

brag about the years of bill clinton's presidency when mcauliffe sold seats on air force 1 and the booking agent for the lincoln bedroom. bringing up the time during the fundraiser for president clinton and mcauliffe has called them misleading. arthel? >> thanks, molly. a car bomb near syria's capital killing 16 soldiers. this video from a witness on the ground. you can see the smoke filling the air. you can tell syrian rebels assaulted a checkpoint near a suburb of damascus. the peace envoy is meeting with egypt's foreign minister and talk about efforts to help end the syrian crisis. >> at least a dozen people killed when a bomb went off near a small restaurant in somalia. new video showing injured people being taken away in stretchers. al-shabaab is

claiming responsibility. that is the same al-qaeda-linked group responsible for last month's mall attack in nairobi, kenya. at least 67 people were killed in that attack. in the meantime, chilling surveillance videotape surfacing from the deadly mall attack in kenya. shoppers can be seen running for their lives from gunmen and in the meantime, new concerns for the safety and security of americans overseas is mounting. the chief intelligence correspondent katherine her ri ge is reporting. >> as shoppers scramble for cover, it shows them taking over the west gate mall. you can see them talking on their phones and then shooting civilians and then taking prayer breaks. as the number of dead and missing rises to nearly 100, a law enforcement source tells fox news that the security barriers were initially lowered blocking the exits because kenyan authorities mistakenly believed a robbery and not a terrorist attack was

happening. as the norwegian authorities question the family of one suspect they are adopting a more aggressive posture. >> what we have seen is local interest. they have a regional agenda and they always maintained some part of their core leadership that has been focused on attacks outside of the region and even in the west. >> in neighboring you a gun do -- uganda they may attempt another west gate-style attack. information, but little else. >> i don't have any further specifics on it for you other than to say it was serious enough that we put out a message to citizens, but we didn't have in anything on the timing or the location. >> meanwhile, the capture of al-qaeda operative by the u.s. special forces from this libyan neighborhood has become a lightning rod for jihadists in north africa in the middle east. two sources who tracked the social media traffic tell fox news that there is a, quote, significant chatter calling for the kidnapping of american citizens in retaliation.

significantly extremists are being urged to act immediately and on their own. one twitter message reads, quote, do not consult anyone in the kidnapping of americans. and after these demonstrations , a little known group calling itself the benghazi rebels are posting threats on social media to sabotage gas pipelines and kidnap americans. the cia and the terrorism center in the nation's hub for intelligence am sis are aware of the -- analysis are aware of the threats. an official emphasized that the al-qaeda leadership publicly endorsed kidnapping as a prisoner swap to force the released of terrorists in u.s. custody including the blind shake. fox news. the terrorism unit is investigating two laser pointer attacks on the cockpits of planes approaching one of the busiest airports new york city laguardia. it happened this week is a the

planes were coming in to land. the laser attacks on the in bound flights to new york city have increased 17% so far this year. the high-tech rollout for obamacare is looking low tech these days with a website a complete mess. is there a better way to go about this? we will analyze some of the options. >> and the step mother of a teenager accused of bullying a girl to the point of committing suicide. our legal panel on how the two cases might all tie together. >> and in a league of their own. how professional video gamers are getting special status from those who control our borders.

it is time for a quick check of the headlines. a death toll from a powerful earthquake in the philippines rises to 183. the magnitude 7.1 quake struck the country earlier this week destroying more than 8500 homes. the fbi investigating possible threats to the water supply systems in wichita, kansas and several other cities in the midwest. the agency is saying it has contacted the water supply facilities and law enforcement offices in those cities.

well, the nation's debt is now topping $17 trillion. it has jumped a record $328 billion on thursday. that was a day after president obama and republicans etch rued a deal to raise the debt ceiling. the government now grants special immigrant status to a new breed of athletes. of course that is using the term athlete loosely. professional on-line video gamers they are talking about are getting sports man visas to train and play in the u.s. he is live in los angeles and why, dominic? >> well, this has us scratching our heads, but how can somebody playing a video game be a serious athlete? when you look at how hard these guys train to get t$ good and see how big gaming now is globally, it is time to take them rather seriously. that's the way the u.s. government authorities are looking at is it. the league of legends, the on-line game, 1 in twenty -- 1

in 20 americans have it and it will go to the mlb. like any other big sport, the foreign stars can draw in the crowds. a packed sports arena and roaring crowds cheer the winning team, but these are not ordinary pro athletes. they are video gamers. and to bring the national teams to the finals of the world, most playing league of legends, it took some convincing with the u.s. government to get them visas. >> it was a double take when we said we have this video game. what? that was the initial reaction, but when we started backing it up there was viewer ship numbers and what exactly we are doing. >> they were one of the very first pro gamers to apply the p1a visa. the kind usually issues -- issued to david

beckham. >> i had to show my popularity and show i am a popular person and show figures of people that follow me and i had to show videos and articles written about me. >> 16 million people watched leagues of legends played on-line. five times those who view a typical hockey league game. >> it is played on a big scale. these athletes are true to form just like any other athletes. they are practicing 10 to 12 hours a day and six days a week to compete on the big scale like at the staples center. >> as a career video gaming is being frowned upon, but the pro athlete visas show that the u.s. government is taking them seriously now. and with that kind of endorsement it can make players even bigger earners. and it also means the doors are open to thousands of other foreign east sports players

who are taking home the money on their visas. when there is a million dollars up for grabs that's a lot for people to want to win. >> people who love video gaming, they are rock stars for sure. >> i am a gamer myself, actually, i have to admit. >> see, i was trying to get it out of you. thanks, dominic. dismie former vice president -- former vice president dick cheney saying he is lucky to be alive. he is revealing a side of himself that he rarely does. why it could be a target for terrorists. and no merit -- >> and no merit badges for a group of leaders comes tumbling down. why they could be in a heap of trouble. >> i don't regret it one bit. >> would you do it again? >> absolutely. ñi

welcome back. stunning new revelations from former vice president dick cheney. in his new book hearts, an american medical society. he once feared terrorist s who try to kill him. >> elizabeth prann has more from washington. >> vice president dick cheney revealing his fears while in office and in his new book. cheney says he and his cardiologist agreed to turn off his implant eddie fib bra later's wireless function in case a terrorist tried to shock his heart's rhythm. sounding farfetched until it was a part of the show time series "homeland." >> are you okay? >> during an interview with cbs' "60 minutes" cheney thought it was a credible theory. if he could adjust it, who is to say somebody else could president as well? -- couldn't as well? his device detects an irregular heartbeat.

>> i was aware of the danger, if you will that existed. >> then i found it credible because i knew from the experience we had had and the necessity for adjusting my own device that it was an accurate portrayal of what was possible. >> despite his life long battle with heart disease cheney said it never served as a distraction in office. at one point in the book he said i never believe the disease inhibited my capacity to do my job. i dealt with each problem as it came up relying on my doctors to keep track of how i was doing physically. in washington, liz breath pran, fox news. elizabeth prann, fox news. the step mother of one of those florida girls charged with bullying a girl to death, well the mother is now facing charges of her own. her name is vivien vosburger. she was arrested for child abuse after a shocking video was posted on facebook.

investigators say this shows her beating children inside her home. the sheriff says the bad behavior is on all sides and it is a family affair. >> vivien is the same person who told at least two different media outlets on national television "my daughter would never bully anybody. she would never do that" she referred to her as her daughter, but it is really not her daughter. it is a step-relationship to the man she lives with, uh -- austensibly, her husband. i repeated this earlier in the week. the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. >> police have arrested these two girls charging them with third-degree aggravated stalking and bullying a girl without mercy until she took her own life. let's bring in defense

attorneys and former prosecutors. you know, the point the sheriff is trying to make is generally speaking. i wonder if this is true, but the kids who are abusive, it is learned behavior. they learned it from their parents. >> absolutely. i do a lot of abuse and neglect cases where parents are charged with that. 9 times out of 10 those pairns were abused as children. and they just repeat this vicious cycle. it is unfortunate, but that seems to be the norm in the cases i handle. >> david, obviously the mother will be troughs cuted separately, but there is a connection. for the conduct of her 14-year-old daughter in this stalking to death case, the surfaced.probably wouldn't >> absolutely not. there is a connection in the court of public opinion, but certainly in the court of law there is no connection. the bottom line is we have to as a society do more for these kids . >> i wonder if the 14-year-old

can say to the judge who may determine her faith. look, i came from an abusive home. all you have to do is look at this videotape. the judge may may be lenient on her? >> i have seen this happen over and off again with juvenile cases. the judge is will say, you know what, you will have to pay the consequences for your actions. in addition to your sentence, you also have to have individual or group therapy so she doesn't do these things again. no leniency, but therapy. >> the mother in her case of beating up these kids allegedly says, oh, just trying to break up a fight. however, in another instance she said oh i was having a bad day. the video is pretty solid proof? >> a video speaks a thousand words, but it is how we interpret a video. certainly the mom has every right to put in a defense. her defense is she was trying to break up a fight. it will be the fact finders to

figure out what she was trying to do. >> i want to go back to the two girls who are charged with stalking. bullying is a presented cet to the stalking charge under florida law. they are filed, these cases in juvenile law. i looked over a couple things that are poarnt. important. there is no limit to prosecuting a child as an adult in adult court. that decision is not made by a judge in florida, but by prosecutors given the heinous nature of their alleged acts which lead to the suicide of the poor girl. should they be tried as adults? >> i think they should. the reason being for society purposes look how many cases we are seeing where these teenagers are committing suicide because of cyberbullying. there needs to be some type of more serious consequence so that it stops. they just figure, okay, like there is that rutgers case where the kid killed himself. it it needs to stop. i am outraged by these poor children killing themselves over being bullied. >> they are 12 and 13 years

old for goodness sakes. the messages by one of the girls charged was she told the poor sedwick girl, everyone hates you. you are ugly. you should drink bleach and kill yourself. that's one of the many messages. shouldn't she be tried as an adult? >> no. >> come on. >> have i a few problems with that. they are are children and they should be tried as children. >> they are behaving like terrible adults. >> where is the school in all of this? when is the school going to take ownership of cyberbullying in our society. >> the school has no authority to monitor all of these things. >> when are the parents going to teachers and their children proper behavior? >> they are connected because of the school and the school always has a policy oh if it is not in our four walls of the building we have no control over it. that is complete rub bish. >> i believe it all starts at home -- starts at home. are you a parent and it is your job to teachers and the children the right thing to do. the school has the children eight hours a day. they are there to teachers and

them, but this started in the home. >> the home is broken so now what do we do? >> so it is the job of teachers to be parents now? >> it is the job of the school to not allow these kids to engage in cyberbullying. what happens over and over again -- >> you would have to hire a thousand teachers in addition to those there -- >> everybody knows about the cyberbullying. >> i think the parents need to be charged because obviously the victim's parents said something about it. she had to take her daughter out of school and home school her. >> what do you charge the pairns with in bullying? >> i would say they aided and abetted. they allowed their child to keep doing it. >> it is too disconnected. there is even a disconnection between the bullying and the suicide. it is a tragic situation. >> how can you say that a? >> it takes a village. it takes a village -- >> are you kidding me? >> no. >> are you suggesting that the bullying didn't lead to the suicide? >> it is around endless cycle and until the schools take ownership to what happened it will continue to happen no

heart how long you put them in jail for. >> it is not just the school. it is the judicial system. they need to be harsher on people who -- >> i have another question. last saturday night apparently according to the sheriff one of the girls i believe the 14-year-old sent yet another message posting this message on-line that said "yes, i bullied sedwick. yes she killed herself and i don't give a belong -- a blank about it. the sheriff said that was enough to get them to arrest them. on that basis shouldn't she be tried as an adult? jay yes, it shows how heinous and the mind set to have no remorse and no care that a this girl killed herself. to use that kind of language. >> and david that girl now when confronted with that message told the sheriff's department oh i didn't write that. somebody must have hacked my account and written it.

the father is backing her up saying she has an alibi and that he had her computer at the time. if they are lying to police, and that could be provable with an i.t. expert, couldn't they be charged with obstruction? >> absolutely. they could be charged with anything you want to charming them with. these are disturbed human beings. we know that. they are disyou are ited people. what do we do with the saw say tee? there is one case with a suicide. how about the thousands and millions of other cases going on this second as we speak of cyberbullying that no one is doing. we wait for the one suicide to discuss this. jay this case can set precedence so it doesn't keep happening. way can't take back the past, but we can put an end to this. >> by doing this story and we have been doing it all week, we are at least getting the word out that we can't stand for this anymore. something has to be done. if you do this you will be prosecuted. >> good to see you both.

>> very, very, very interesting. listen to this. a group of boy scout leaders could face charges after toppling this rock formation in utah. the men leading the scouts on a trip through goblin valley state park, they noticed the top of the rock formation was loose and what did they do? they pushed it over. they say they believed they saved lives. >> you know you are under investigation, right? >> we thought we were doing a good deed. >> that wasn't going to last. i looked at the main walkway and thought one gust of wind and the family is dead. >> he had to brace himself. he had to get in position. that's more than a gust of wind. >> you know what, that earth wears away when there is a rain storm. >> i am not aware of any rolling off. they have been sitting there for millions of years. >> not just millions.

170 million years. their story seems a little suspicious when you say it. >> a little bit. >> if you thought it would be endangering someone you call park authorities. >> you don't take it into your own hands.xd >> you could hurt someone else. >> that's right. call authorities. so much for a rousing start. the website for obamacare is running into some well documented glitches, maybe more than that. isn't there a better way to go about this? we will look at some of the other options out there still ahead. ñiñi

a quick check of the headlines and the firefighter who accidentally ran over one of the age -- the asiana flights, the teen was laying on tarmac when the fire truck ran over her. the family can still pursue civil action. bill young passed away on friday. young was first elected to the house in 1970 and was a long-time member of the house approprations committee where he focused on military spending. he was 82. and 92-year-old texas football icon died at his ranch. he coached the houston oilers to two afc championships. philips famously said they may be america's team, but we are

a texas team. the nation's largest bank, jp morgan chase reaching a deal for mortgage issues. they are accused of selling bad mortgages to government agencies ahead of the financial crisis. the settlement does not include released from criminal liability for the bank. >> well, the obama website is a nightmare according to tech experts. and 48.5 million people in the u.s. are without health care. the potential patrons of obamacare can be left in a lurch for up to a year. 245* is if in fact enrollment is delayed by a year. is there an alternative? he is the president and a fox news contributor. we were talking about the 48.5

million americans who are without health care. if in fact this is delayed for a year it could be without it for another year. let's talk about this. is there an alternative? we heard of cobra, but that is too expensive. is there something else out there for these folks? >> for them it will be very tough. when ever a business, and i use government as the word business, gets in trouble or screws up and does something wrong, other businesses come in and they try to come up with things and i try to suspect the insurance companies are now salivating a little bit and maybe they come up with a decent premium for these people and go at it. let's hope it doesn't last the year. all heck will break loose if ] jay this will be a good time to note one of the major vehicles in the affordable care act increases health insurance coverage is an expansion below the federal

poverty level. and of course they expand medicaid. 22 states decided not to expand medicaid. for the folks not there and can take advantage of that the established insurance companies may talk about the aca experiences. >> you know, look, it is not going to be free to these folks. you think it is possible that some of the insurance companies would maybe offer some sort of lower premium? >> the fact is you are right. it is snot going to be free. they will pay. the insurance companies will step back and see who these people are whether they are young or old or in between. if they are elderly premiums will be higher. if they are younger premiums will be lower. at least that's the way it is supposed to be. the big issue is nobody knows where this will end up. i am getting to work and

getting our act together and getting somebody in there to fix this up right now. a lot of people will be held with nothing. you have a lot of people that have lost off of companies who changed their status there. those people are going to be looking to go on the web also. a lot of people are twid lig their thumbs right now. >> and those people you were talk about the existing insurance companies taking advantage of those twid lig their thumbs as you say. >> how would you go about getting the word out? >> big full page ads in usa today. wall street journal and you name. it. >> if you are unable to h, but have i a sneaking suspicion that the obama administration will be talking to the insurance companies saying, listen, we will be up here. have some patience and wait on this. i don't know if they will be patient because business is

business. >> from that perspective, how much of a loss would this cost the administration and how would you advise the administration to get out from under the troubling issues that started the new operation. >> this is nothing. this is on taxpayers and it looks like it will be a lot more going forward. they will have to change the whole website and politically it is a hit. if they get it right the second time this country is kind of forgiving. they will get past it. the sooner the better. the big loser is the taxpayer. >> so far around 113,000 and some change people, that's about 23% of the number that was expected to sign up to obamacare. they projected that enrollment would be 3.3 million nationally. >> just remember people do

have to sign up. obamacare does not work unless they have a ton of people in the poll. if they don't get this to work. >> i will read there are people who are saying they canned the idea and they are waiting to see if it plays out. that will play against the whole process and if there is going to be success with this. >> i think americans will give it a second chance. but i have to tell you they better get this right the second time. i don't think they will get a third chance. >> appreciate your time. see you later. >> my pleasure. thank you. >> an early blast of winter is hitting the country's midsection. the fox extreme weather center on where the major cold front is now heading next.çó

this is not for the faint of heart. dozens of base jumpers taking the plunge off the new river gorge bridge. it is part of a huge bridge day festival. that is making my stomach turn. some 20,000 people have shown

up for this event. the fall is about 876 feet and it takes 8.8 seconds to reach the bottom. that depends on your weight. >> would you do that? >> a blast of cool air is moving across the u.s. prompting frost and freeze warnings. the cold air eventually moving into the midwest and the northeast. would you do that? that base jumping? >> are you kidding me? you couldn't pay me enough to do that stuff. that's raisey talk -- that's crazy talk. let's talk more crazy talk. can you believe winter could be arriving this this this weekend in some areas? it is true. have the winter clothing out if you live in the upper midwest and great lakes where it is cold enough for snow. we have a frontal boundary bringing moisture to the

southeast. not a big system, but nuisance showers. let's look at the main event. we have several cold fronts that will invade this area and eventually make its way toward the ohio river valley and midat mid-atlantic and northeast. you can see the snow north of the great lakes. we will get a dusting or maybe 2 inches. not a lot, but if you don't like the snow it is not great news because it is coming pretty early. your highs today again, 40s and 50s across the board for the most part. and then the cold air will start to sink southward. it will be in the 30s in fargo and 39 in minneapolis. that will continue to spread southward and eastward. frost advisories where you can see the blue here. as we head toward chicago, the next couple days look good, but you can see the temperatures drop monday, tuesday and wednesday. temperatures 30, 31 degrees in the overnight hours. colder air as i mentioned sinking southward across portions of the mid-atlantic and up toward the northeast by friday. we will feel it.

then i also want to point your attention to francisco. this would be an equivalent of a category 5 hurricane. unbelievable storm. it is not often you see these really, really strong typhoons. this is a super typhoon. it will make its way up toward japan. they were hit with another super typhoon last week. unfortunately a vulnerable area. the good news is it will weaken as we head to the later part of the workweek. >> that's good news. thank you, jd. >> you got it. a small relic of one of the worst tragedies of the 20th century going on sale at auction. this is the violin reportedly played by the titanic band master before it went down. it is selling for $1.5 million. not clear who bought it. the violin is no longer playable. his name was walter hartley and apparently the last song was "near my god to be."

they found the violin a week after it sank. you can't play it anymore. >> it is gorgeous. >> i am back at 6:00 and carol alt will be up next. >> and her birthday is tomorrow, everyone.

i'm carol alt. i have been on the cover of more than 700 magazines and traveled the world for photo shoots and movies. but i was president -- i wasn't always the healthiest person. i had fatigue and pressures with my career. i realized it was time to change so i learned about the importance of good health. i am not a doctor, but i am like every person watching this show and i want to help make a healthy you. welcome to "a healthy you." i am carol alt. think changing your diet won't change anything? do you think are you so far gone or worse yet, you have never seen changes before so you don't expect to see changes now? well think again.