live and at large, i'm geraldo rivera reporting more evidence that the drug violence in mexico is fueled by weapons from the united states. >> the majority of the weapons being useed by cartels and that are being recovered are, in fact, militarity grade weapons coming out of excess splice. united states and given to other countries. >> tonight, the return of fast and furious. >> and plus, why did this woman stay silent when she knew her own brother had raped, murdered and stuffed her little child in a cooler, left by the side of a

big city highway? tonight -- the cop who got justice for baby hope. and -- rounding up more of the biker bandits who busted up the guy in the land rover. >> [ inaudible ]. >> tonight, debating gloria allred. >> an innocent victim trying to help the driver of the suv when he was run over. >> is he broken biker client a victim or a perp. and -- the end of a tumultuous week in washington. >> this is a terrible deal. this deal embodies everything about the washington establishment. that frustrates the american people. >> the debt ceiling catastrophe narrowly averted. still waging all-out war on

obama care. >> obama care isn't working,able not only isn't it working, it s is -- not working fast enough. >> now, senator cruz has a new target. >> president obama has said that the day after the budget d.c. made he's going to come up on immigration. yeah. yes. says he'll start by deporting ted cruz. up front tonight, was the frenzy worth it? >> i would do anything, and i will continue to do anything i can, to stop the train wreck that is obama care. did the cruz missile, it's unchastened by the disaster he has brought on the republican party? should he be? is he now the real captain of the gop ship? to debate and discuss that point with me in boston, america's most famous lawyer alan dershowitz joins us. professor dershowitz, welcome onboard. taking the stand, his big hit autobiography out now. here at home base we welcome the

co-host of "the five" my best frenemy, eric bolling joins us. so should he be -- >> first of all, can i -- you're pointing a finger at ted cruz for something you perceive that, as terrible. right? i think there's a whole group of the american conservative base that says ted cruz stood up, stood up what we believe in, did the right thing. not the way you painted it. as a disaster that he oversought or captained, instead of what it really was. it was an enlightening moment for the american people. they found out who are conservatives and who aren't on the right. second part of your question, the new de facto leader of the republican party. i don't think so. i think he showed the american people that the right has two factions. establishment right and conservative right and i think the real leaders may be the ones who are playing the background, rand paul, chris christie, marco rubio. with you but never came forward and made themselves as local and

obvious at ted cruz did. watch for those three. >> you said he was flirting with acting in an unconstitutional manner, senator ted cruz. do you still believe that and you can also follow-up on what eric said. >> ted was my student. a brilliant student. always very, very principled. came into my class with his right-hand raise and never put it down and he doesn't surprise me. i think he is a man of principle. i think move on, the left wing organization that yesterday announced they want to indict people on the right, people who are republicans, people involved in this are absurd. i would be thrilled to defend ted cruz or any of the other republicans on the right, though i disagree with them. their punishment will come from the electorate, not the crim gnat justice system. ted cruz and others are the greatest gift to the democratic party. your previous guess was right. it shows division among republicans and americans according to polls don't like what they see about the

republicans. they don't like people who want to shut down the government. so i think this is a political debate. it should be played out politically, not in a legal system. and i think in the end, cruz will lose. and he will hurt the republicans. and in one way he may not care, because she a man of principle, and he wants to do the right thing. if a new president kennedy were to write a book called "profiles in courage" ted cruz may fit into the that book. he is a profile in courage. 's although on the wrong side of history and the wrong side of what best for america, but she a man of principle. >> with all due respect, i absolutely acknowledge his constitutional understanding, and knowledge, but i would have to say, stay out of the economics boardroom, because that's where you're failing. there was no risk of default. there was never a risk of default. we've taken $250 billion a month, service our get, it says we have to in our constitution,

i agree with. service our debt to the tune of $24 billion. there is no fiscal chance we would ever default. so -- >> there was nobody -- >> you can't take a chance with the american economy. >> of course you can. how are you going to default when you take in ten times more than what servicing your debt costs? it's not going to happen. >> it's a matter of perception. a matter of what the world, the economy thinks about us, and perception has made america the laughingstock of the rest of the world. >> disagree. you know why i disagree? the bond market disagrees, the stock market, all the markets. the global markets, all global, disagree with you vehemently. new highs in the s&p. please. >> no resolution. >> what it costs to borrow. it you're right and the left is right, all of these thing s woud be happening. double to borrow money from china. >> wait a second. it did -- >> hold on, though.

>> back below before the whole shut down. you lefties in the media and all that, professors, blow a big horn saying -- >> all of academia. i love the way you're scientific. >> okay. wait -- >> bottom line, no disaster, and never a threat of disaster. >> professor -- >> got it. >> now, wait a second. here's my question. it costs me -- cost the american taxpayer $24 billion. in other words, $24 billion because of the shutdown was added to the deficit that the right is constantly complaining about. it comes to $70 per head. i'm the father of five children. ted cruz cost me that $350, plus $140 for me, erica, my wife and everybody else i support. is fiscally responsible for a conserve toiv do something that cost the treasury money? >> i'm laughing. liberals talking fiscal

responsibility now. president obama tacked on -- so far, has tacked on almost $7 trillion in debt. all the debt, if you add up all the debt between george washington and george bush, doesn't even include, couldn't even exceed the $7 trillion that president obama put out. >> i have to tell you, it's worth -- can i say something here? >> has to be calculated. >> hold it there. professor dershowitz, you'll get your chance for rebuttal. folks, later in the show we're probe the latest screw-up by the justice department involving the transfer of, get this, hand grenade, to mexican drug dealers, and we'll meet the could be who unravelled the baby hope mystery, right after this. bold has a huge imagination.

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continuing with the co-host of "the five" here at fox, eric bolling and professor alan dershowitz, chasing at the bit

to respond. the obama administration charged with breaking the bank when it comes to obama care and the federal budget. professor, you're on. >> number one, health care is the best thing that's happened to this country during my adult life. to finally, finally, we're becoming a first world country. when it comes to telling people that there's not going to be pre-existing conditions that will disqualify them, that they're not going to have to give up personal doctors if they want to pay for them, but that every american like every person in massachusetts has the right to health care. the united states constitution provides for the general welfare. are you now saying that the commerce clause would not allow -- the united states supreme court, even chief justice roberts, upheld it, under the commerce laws and under the taxing power. you can have that debate. you don't engage in extortion shut down the government and on the other side, the left shouldn't engage in threatening

this conduct, threatening the way move on does. >> i challenge -- >> the extremes. right and extremes of the left -- >> i challenge you -- >> eric bolling -- >> i challenge you to show me in a document where it says that the government can tell me i have to buy a good or service? and the way they it and got around it, was by instead of calling it a fee they called it a tax. >> i'll tell you where it's at. the same provision of the constitution that says your child has to be vaccinated. the same provision. constitution that says your son has to serve in the armed forces. we sometimes have to compel people to do things that they may not choose to do in the general interests of the united states. here you're being compelled to do something -- >> i totally disagree. >> your comment was that senator cruz upheld the american --the hostages, whatever terms you used. >> extortion. >> fine. extortion, great. same thing. so what are fiscal conservatives supposed to do?

if congress holds the checkbook? >> in an election -- run. win elections. >> hold on. finish your point. >> the constitution, gives a checkbook, the pen to write the checks to congress, and congress is -- to the house, and the house is held by republicans, and republicans want to say before i sign up another trillion or two or three trillion in debt i want to discuss how we spend that trillion or two or three in debt. how america spends it. why? they're playing by the rules, sir. >> absolutely. let me tell you how other countries now deal with this. for example, recently in israel they tried to do the same thing and passed a new statute saying if the knesseknesset, the congr refuses to country the government automatically certain things come into play. that's the way it should work here. either side should not be able to extort. i don't apreserve of the filibuster or in -- i believe in democracy. that means you run for election.

>> and people write a check -- >> let me finish. >> -- harvard have you teach your it children constitutional lauer? you're basically saying -- >> you can do -- >> as long as i -- >> god bless you. >> all right. hold it. i'm going to -- >> you can have -- >> i'm going to impose my moderator's position here, because we're running out of time. i finally want to ask, i mentioned immigration reform. ted cruz has a soft target with immigration reform. don't you agree, eric, he can sabotage president obama's aspiration and in doing so damage gop prospects, because latino voters won't go to the republican party? >> i'm interested to hear what ted cruz's full plan is and as well what marco rubio's plan is. i have an alternate plan. talking about the privatized -- >> i have an idea, geraldo. >> if want to let the 11 million people here stay here, fine. when they turn 18, or 30, have to serve a year in the military. >> a good idea.

>> and in terms of immigration reform? the president -- >> immigration reform one of the most important things we have in this country. i wouldn't be here today, geraldo. you wouldn't be here today. half of the nobel prize winners wouldn't be here. many of my family came here illegally during the holocaust, became great and wonderful citizens. we are a nation of immigrants. let's maintain that tradition and keep or borders open, consistent with national security, the safety and welfare of this country. so i welcome the obama plarch and oppose the cruz plan. >> and that's the professor. eric, last word. >> senator cruz did everything by the book, sir. the book you teach ensingle day to your students. i apologize if it was rude. i can't believe parents wript checks to harvard to have their kids learn constitutional law. >> apologized then said it again. >> your interpretation of the constitution varies vastly and widely from mine. >> my friend eric bolling. love being on tv with that guy

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this grenade thing just shows how grossly incompetent atf is, if you needed another reason. i mean, you have a guy who openly admitted he was providing iuds, grenades, explosives to mexican drug cartels but they let him go. >> they let him go. supplying hand grenades, fast and furious, the ak-47s dumb it idea for the atf. with the bureau more than 25 year, the agent who blew the whistle on fast and furious.

and now vince apparently turning the other cheek as the bad guys in mexico are getting and using hand grenades that come from the united states. how in the world did this thing happen? >> well, it was just a comedy of errors under the same vacuum of leadership that was going on. it wasn't part and parcel of fast and furious investigation. it was -- it was dynamic in its own way, but clearly, the leadership of the phoenix field division at the time that was responsible for fast and furious did not enhance our abilities to prevent the componentry from going into mexico. that's a fact. >> all right tell me about this guy. he had grenades, or grenade parts, and he walked the grenade parts into mexico, reassembled them, gave them to the mexican drug cartel and the atf knew about it? is that a fact?

>> well, that's -- that's a stretch of some of the facts. he definitely had some of the componentry, the bodies. which in and of itself not illegal in the united states, but clearly would have and did, in fact, for some of our agent, raise huge red flags when they wanted to act on it they were prevented from doing so. and -- you know, with limited legal justification, since they aren't illegal in the united states as an individual component. against the better judgment of the at tatache in mexico who dit want to participate, they went across the border, were later assembled and we know from the significant incident report this week that they're reassembled into destructive device and used in a pretty major shootout last week. >> what's the idea? why in the world are we allowing grenade components to go to mexico and into the hands of the

drug cartel? is the idea that they get the grenades and use the grenades, so we know who's using the grenades, so they kill people with our stuff and then what? >> no. that -- that goes back to the fast and furious philosophy, and we know how that turned out. this particular case, there was some, again, you had a -- a rogue leadership in the phoenix field division with the support of atf headquarters not wanting to rein them in. the agents were fully prepared to go ahead and seize those componentries, and let them deal with the consequences or explain his purposes, but there was such a vacuum and lack of communication and refusal of phoenix bosses to cooperate with the attache in mexico who prishgt predicted this would happen, it fell apart. it's a failure of leadership is what it was. no way the agents were going to

allow that to happen. >> vince, stand by. radio host j.d. hayworth, former republican congressman from arizona joins us. what is this? vince isic maing distinctions here. is this fast and furious 2.0? haven't we learned anything? >> here's what's going on, and i appreciate vince's focus on atf. let's also understand what was at work here. the united states attorney who put all of this into motion, the former right-hand man or should i say left-hand man of janet napolitano, played an active role not only in fast and furious but it appears his fingerprints are all over this decision not to go after batiste, the guy dealing with hand grenades. an unwillingness to prosecute from this justice department and to complete the fast and furious 2.4, geraldo, you're taking a look at something where president obama has lowered a

protective curtain of executive privilege over attorney general eric holder, as for secretary napolitano, she, of course, is not absconded to california running the uc system, and i guess the lesson to be learned is, open borders, illegals and lawlessness on our border with mexico and weapons smuggling into mexico in the perverse notion somehow you can reflect unfavorably on law abiding americans exercising their second amendment rights, the fast and furious from the crowd in charge right now, and dennis burk, janet napolitano, eric holder and president obama have not been held accountable. >> j.d., obviously, putting a political spin on this. >> no. that's not a political spin, geraldo. >> i got it. i heard the -- i heard you. >> richard nixon had said it was executive privilege that covered all of watergate, you would have been livid. it is not political --

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members at the type. both employees killed had been performing track inspections. the national transportation safety board is investigating. i'm marianne rafferty. now back to "geraldo at large." million stories in this naked city, but to the cops and detectives who refused to give up on the baby they called hope, it was a grim determination to bring justice to this child, violateed and discarded, but never forgotten. craig investigates. >> early this morning, admitted he sexually assaulted angelica, that he smothered her and then disposes of the body, with the aid of his sister, ms. ramirez, now deceased. >> reporter: the end of a tireless investigation by new york's finest. in custody, 52-year-old, the

alleged killer of the once nameless vick testimony, baby hope, by cops who paid for her funeral and vowed to capture her killer. >> 38 years old at the time of the apartment returned to an apartment shared by seven relatives and encountered angelica in the hallway. he said he sexually assaulted the child then smothered her. when she went motionless he summoned his sister from another room. he said she directed him to get rid of the body and brought him the cooler. >> reporter: cops say juarez detailaled how he stuffed her tiny corpse into a cool are and callously dumped her here 22 years ago with the help of his sister. her short life ended, not forgotten by cops who left a calling card on baby hope's tombstone.

police commissioner ray kelly. >> all of these efforts, the public outreach, forensic investigation and old-fashioned pavement pounding led detectives friday to juarez' residence in the bronx. >> reporter: july 23, 1991, a construction crew working on the henry hudson parkway finds the cooler, and angelica's body. eyewitnesses describe a short latin-american male and woman in high heels dumping the body. >> they separated and juarez returned to the bronx and his sister to queens. never to speak of the heinous act again. until the nypd investigators through their relentless investigation caught up with juarez. >> reporter: for 22 years as cops desperately searched for clues to baby hope's true identity, family members including her mother who lives in this queen apartment building kept quiet about her death. the question is, why? >> this is the apartment of

margarita castillo, the mother of baby hope and lives in an apartment 2c of this queens apartment. we'll see if she's home. >> margarita castillo? >> who is this. >> craig rivera with geraldo rivera, fox news channel. >> i don't want to talk to you guys. >> reporter: we caught up with baby hope's younger sister, now 27-year-old who has children close in age to angelica at the time she was murdered. >> i can't do this. i can't. i cannot. you have to respect my pain, and -- i'm suffering a lot, and i can't do this. >> tell me -- tell me the kind of family that your family was -- not knowing -- i know it's very upsetting to you. >> i can't. >> reporter: baby hope's mom

spoke to spanish language station ein vision. >> right now a lot of people are asking, why didn't you go to police. >> coming to a country where someone does not understand the language and you come here with those fears, about arriving at an office without knowing the language, and not having a translator to tell them what's happening to you. >> reporter: what did the father of the girl say? >> reporter: in a jailhouse interview from rikers island prison, he claims he told angelica's another 1995 of her death but left out the part of the body in the cooler. police say only juarez would know some of the details that he gave about how little angelica died. fox news contributor and former nypd detective bo dietl. >> is there a conspiracy of silence within that family. >> you know what? the whole question here is just him and his sister knew about it, or were there others that

knew about it? i believe the detectives are questioning other people in the house, finding out other evidence if they knew something happened. >> reporter: whether it be fear or guilt for 22 years an untold number of people kept the true identity of baby hope a secret. but as a result of dogged policework, baby hope now has her name. angelica castillo, who rests here in peace. geraldo, back to you. >> craig, thanks. detective jerry, so delighted to welcome him onboard tonight. has been on the baby hope case really since the child's body was discovered along the west side highway here in new york city. one of the cops who helped pay for the child's tombstone. nice to see you, man. terrific. congratulations on this. >> thank you. >> what was your reaction when you herd the resolution of the case. i was absolutely elated. i mean, i always felt that some day, somewhere, someone would step up. overheard a conversation or had actual knowledge of the death,

and it happened just that way. >> and what was the big tip jp what was the moment? how did you do it? >> the tip went to, i believe, crimestoppers, the glchlt pedestri nypd. a woman spoke to a young girl, teenager, i believe, some years ago. at that time the young girl had told her, you see that little girl on the news? might have been around the anniversary of her death. she said, well, that's my sister, and my mother and father killed her. so it -- eventually it developed that she had returned. she was in mexico at the time. she didn't hear about it back in '91. then she came to the city, some years later. and then -- i don't know the exact details. she found out about it. >> let me ask you this, jerry. i moon, you're retired now. when did you retire? >> july of this year. >> of this year. well, distinguished career, no doubt. when you hear that none of these people told anything to the

authorities. they just let the child -- i mean, first of all, this hideous act by this horrible person, assuming he's guilty, and i have no doubt that she, you have all of these people know a child has been raped and murdered and stuffed in a cooler and no one says anything? is it really because, because, were they undocumented immigrants? fearful of being deported? what was it that caused hem not to say anything to authorities? >> i can only attribute has to people who are very cold and unfeeling. in my opinion, it certainly was more than one or two people that knew of this death, and possibly how she was killed. and they just never -- all of these excuses about speaking spanish, and illegal, or -- in the beginning, she was terrorized by her husband. you know, she didn't get along with him, et cetera. i don't believe a single story. now the defense is trying to come up with a story that he was coerced or beaten or tortured in

order to give his statement. >> his confession. >> his confession. >> you have no doubt that he's the guy? >> absolutely not. he told it in such detail which actually corroborated some evidence we had at the time. >> the fact that you stayed on the case, and the fact that you guys chipped in to buy the child a tombstone, that it wasn't just an anonymous victim to you, it was somebody -- and every year, i remember hearing year after year, baby hope, the baby hope case and now you finally have broken it, and i give you, from the bottom of my heart, krai congratulations. >> thank you for the kind words. >> thanks for being here. and gloria allred, trying to help. he was crushed when he fled with the motorcycle pack. gloria and that crushed rider's wife are next. the day we rescued riley was a truly amazing day.

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cops here in new york continue rounding up the bikers from the pack that trashed the land rover so infamously in new york city a couple wakes ago, terrorizing the family inside, beating up the drive whir they finally got the car stopped. we're focused on as many as four or five were actually undercover or off-duty cops themselves. named attorney gloria allred wants us to be open minded and not to prejudge her client. edwin jay -- the biker crushed when the driver of the surrounded land rover attempted to flee the pack. with gloria diana, jay's wife. thank you for coming here in a geraldo exclusive. gloria, what do you want us to know about jay? what is new in this case that gives us any reason to be simp theek a member of that pack who so terrorized that family in the land rover?

>> jay was not a member of a pack. just riding his motorcycle with a couple of friends and not a member of a gang or anything. and when he was struck by the suv, completely innocent victim. all of what you saw, people kicking helmets and crashing through the windows of the suv, that happened after. at the time that jay was hit, he was standing. he was a pedestrian. he had his back to the suv, and all he was doing was -- by the way, we have this on video. all he was doing was telling people to move on. he wanted to make sure that even though -- cruz had his motorcycle bumped a little bit and the suv either bumped that motorcycle or the motorcycle bumped the suv, either way, nobody was hurt, as far as he could see, but everybody was stopped. he just wanted people to move on because it's dangerous to be at a standstill on a highway. he had his back to it and then took one step away and all of a sudden the suv runs him over,

crushes him. the doctors say there's a 99% probability he will never walk again. he's an innocent victim. there was no reason for him to be mowed down and crushed. >> i'm at a disadvantage because diane is here and i don't want to overly dwell on the background. your husband had a terrible driving record. he had no right to be driving that vehicle or any vehicle. >> he wasn't driving when he was hit. >> he was standing. a pedestrian. >> he took his motorcycle down the west side -- >> it doesn't matter. he wasn't on it when he was hit. he was a pedestrian. it's not legally relevant how he got there. >> rides a bicycle and stops a car, stops the bike, gets off the bike, you can't say wasn't driving. how did he glet there? >> if he wasn't born he wouldn't have been there either's. >> oh, come on. >> it was relevant for the suv to run over him. the video shows bikers get back

on their bikes. he wanted them to move out. dangerous to be at a standstill on a highway. say the driver was in fear'sthe suv. >> he was terrorized. >> nothing happened to him at that point. >> well, he was stopped by, surrounded by -- >> diana, what was your husband doing -- >> driving in the -- >> wa was your husband doing riding around with the pack, with no license? >> not with a pack. >> with that group of motorcycles? >> he just bumped into that group. >> just by chance? >> they were -- the group, they went different ways. >> i thought he had come to the -- come to town specifically to ride with them? >> they're that ride was cancelled. >> i don't understand's we see it in the video. isn't that what he came to the city to do? >> yes. >> so then -- first of all, how is he? let me be passionate fluff enou ask you that? >> he's in pain. excruciating pain. he's just -- he's -- i can't say

he's doing good, because he's not. >> what is his condition, exactly. >> he's paralyzed, from the waist down. >> per nenltly paralyzed? >> yes. >> he had his spine surgery. the results came in. he had a heart surgery as well. >> and what is the -- >> two surgeries and still in the hospital. >> what is his prognosis? >> he's paralyzes. a paraplegic. >> not going to walk again and this woman is a hero. i've never seen a wife like diana. she literally has not been in bed for weeks since the accident. she has been sitting in a chair while he's in icu, flex to his bed, sleeping in the chair when she can, and he's still in the hospital, still in a chair by his bed with him all day long. >> and you and the innocent victims in this, but you understand, don't you, diana, why people are less than sympathetic about jay? >> no, i don't. >> personally i wouldn't understand why that would be

when all he was doing was standing there. >> because people put themselves in the place of that family. >> why don't they put themselves in the place of the pedestrian who is run down through no fault of his own. >> 16 moving violations, his right to drive revoked. >> it doesn't matter. are you saying that anybody who maybe is driving without, you know, proper documentation, can be run down? and paralyzed for life? that makes no sense, geraldo. >> i strike out at you. you can't e then blame me for striking out at you if you've terrorized me. >> edwin did not terrorize him. >> what's happening legally, quickly. >> when he stepped on the gas, gunned it, and ran over -- >> to escape. >> there was nothing happening at the time. everything you saw happened after he ran down edwin. >> look, diana, to you and your family, i thank you for coming on, and i wish you the best. >> thank you. >> you have a very, very rough road to hoe. >> yes, i do. >> and so do their children, and because, you know, they have two

children, and this is very hard

you know, as long as you exert a certain amount of control you can do everything. that's not the case. >> myse selfie caused controver, what's your excuse, the title on the handout, the picture showing this mean, lean fitness instructor, mother of three children. she joins us from her home in sacramento. how are you doing? why did you take the picture?

didn't you know a lot of ladies would say, hey, she's lording over us? >> of course not. who wants any of that feedback. i took the picture i thought it would be motivational for my facebook followers. you see that caps all the time in several different types of inspirational posters. i said here i am, a fit mother. i have three kids 3 and under and i think people will be inspired by this. >> but are you in a way saying, look at me. compare me to you. if you've had all of these young children and you're complaining about body fat or this or that, not getting your body back. then you're -- you just are not working hard enough? >> absolutely not. that's crazy when people say that. i'm saying, you know what? you're a mother, or maybe you're not. here are three symbols of time. my 3-year-old, 2-year-old and 8-month-old. and i can make fitness a priority. my health a priority. at the mother, the role model of your home, make it a priority.

>> here in the city, the author of a book "the body image survival guide for parents helping toddlers, tweens and teens thrive." marcy is one of maria's many critics, i hate to say. >> maria, you said it. we see images everywhere. that's the problem. we see one type of fitness, one type of beauty. glorified all the time. we assume that the skinniest woman in the room is always the fittest and most muscular guy the strongest. that's mot not always the case. the healthiest are the ones that work well. focus on how our bodies work rather han how they look. you can be in the middle, live with moderation, sometimes eat more, sometimes less, go it the gym when you can or not at all but be active and feel good about that. and when you're feel good about that and then told, what it's your excuse? personally, i want to prefer, had you said, this is my challenge. what challenging you. seems when you're -- what's your excuse? asking them to val date or

justify their choices. one thing that's really, really important, another thing. why i wrote what i wrote. i'm a bod image advocate. a program called fit versus fiction and talk to kids and talk to parents and i talk to teachers. there are 5-year-olds begging their parents not to send them to school because they think they're too fat to fit in. seventh graders throwing up their lunch in the bathroom and school because they feel they don't live up to our society's unrealistic expectation of beauty. thinking they'll never be thin enough because we don't see enough variety. pe need to show fit bodies come in all shapes and sizes and maybe stot seeing one image. >> maria, your response. >> obviously, a challenge to be in shape. a lot of priorities in my day because i do work and have to take care of my kids and family. but i understand exactly where you're coming from. there is a body image issue in america. there's a weight image in

america, a health crisis in america. i'm saying it starts at home. it starts at the parents, starts with the mother especially to be a positive role model, to take care of herself, put at least 30 minutes, 20 minutes, something innier day so she can be a good role model for her children and, therefore, their children can be happy and healthy. >> one thing, though. i was you at one point. i was super thin. i was very muscular and a fit mom and would never go back to that, because what i -- i thought i was a great role model getting up extra early to go to the gym and eating really, really clean. i thought that was what i needed. i was showing them how to obsess in calories and overexercise. >> that was your personal experience. the moms i know and especially myself, we're healthy role models and we need more people like myself saying, know what? i'm not going to raise a child and say that i'm unhealthy, because i'm being a good parent. i'm health you because i love my children. >> but healthy -- healthsy how

our bodies work. one thing. we have to stop shaming people into being skinny and encourage them to be healthy. >> we've normalized overweight people in our society. i think that it's -- kind of -- >> we've normalized overweight people in our society. good point. continued success. thank you for coming in. the book, "the body image survival guide." maria kang you can find on the internet. i started this segment joking about my own selfie, but my point in publishing that, just that you don't have to get crazy but a little fitness makes for a longer, better life, even if you don't ends up looking as lovely and fit as maria. that's it for i'm serious, we compare our direct rates side by side to find you a great deal, even if it's not with us. [ ding ] oh, that's helpful! well, our company does that, too. actually, we invented that.

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