>> it helps us understand why people measpent millions to win jobs here. >> once they come into the gates they never leave. >> i am john stossel. thanks for watching. >> none of us should be negotiating on the debt ceiling. >> that's what the big spenders say and they get their way. what is this for the budget of someone you know. >> what do you think of these people they are making 24,000 to spend 35,000. they are almost 11,000 dollars in debt. >> they can get their priorities straight on what they need to be spending and saving money on. >> this is the federal budget. i took the zeros off. >> suppose america were personally trying to borrow from a bank. >> i would like to leave my debt

limit. >> i would like to raise my debt limit. >> says you are 140,270 dollars in debt. >> so i figure we should raise the limit to 170,000. i want a flat screen. >> america bought plenty of flat screens and promises every one many more things. is there no limit on what politicians can promise? who will pay for it? oh, kids will. >> excuse me. i have to take some of these. no, i am the old person. i need this. >> no, i won't give it back. >> but tale stealing from kids isn't fair. >> tonight the week after government barricaded veterans i say what america needs is a barricade to keep congress away from our money. we are up to almost 17 trillion. that's our show tonight.

>> it isn't going to talk about the spending that is going to bankrupt us. tonight we will solve the problem. isn't that hard once you stop assuming what makes america work is government. our politicians didn't alter believe that government -- always believe government was so important and they used to spend billions less. this week i was trying to think of how we could do this so we built a goofy chart and took it outside. >> here is world war i. here is world war ii. president used to go down after wars now even in peace time it only goes up. pretty soon, we are up here.

how are we going to pay for that? what is going to happen? >> we are going broke. >> our grandchildren and even our children they are going to be burdens with a big debt. >> it is unbelievable the debt we are racking up in our country now. >> 20,000 per person. >> this is where we are going. >> you should stop. >> you should stop. >> we should and yet there are some who just have faith that thanks to our brilliant politicians, things will work out. the women using this scooter believes that. >> how do we pay for my generation promised healthcare but now we are living 20-years longer? is>> i think there are definitely plans for that. i mean the affordable care act in place i think it covers a lot of people. >> that's going to take care of that? >> i think it will. >> yipee. affordable care act will solve the biggest problem. >> if only it were true. the truth is government

solutions are the problem. government. does too much and promises too much. they spend their working days looking into the budget and how it has grown. they have think tanks and the enterprise institute. you say the $17 trillion debt isn't the problem it is just a symptom. >> it is a symptom of the problem of government being too big and doing too much. let's do an analogy. say you went to the doctor because you were coughing a lot and you found out you had lung cancer. that's really bad. what if the doctor said here's robitussin you won't cough any more. will you be happy with that? of course not. you want to deal with the underlying problem. it won't deal with the lung cancer. the problem is sgotme because o entitlements poorly designed change it will reach european

levels in the future. something has to be done. no amount of tax increases is going to solve the problem. as a matter of fact that longed probably make the problem worse. they would spend the money. >> what is wrong with european levels? some people say europe is doing okay. >> grease, italy, spain, portugal and belgium may hit their fiscal prices. japan is going to blow up. not in europe but the same problems of politicians promising things they can't deliver. imposing tax burdens crippling private sectors. >> all week i heard, and we are going to hear it from bob beckel later is the problem with this debt ceiling. they shouldn't have one. it is the uncertainty. >> debt limit has turned into the enemy as opposed to the actual federal debt. 25 years everything we make and buy and consume in this economy that will all be the same size as the federal debt. we know when a country has that much debt we have really slow

growth, less jobs. people can't retire. it's a real problem. >> today the president said stop treating government like an enemy. >> people will stop treating government like the enemy when the government stops stealing from us. >> i will stop regarding it as an enemy when it stops spending 3 plus trillion dollars. it is hilarious to go back in time and look at how responsible senator obama was when he ran for president. he was upset about how the previous president increased our debt. >> the way bush has done it over the last 8 years is to take out a credit card from the bank of china. we have over $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back. that is irresponsible. it is unpatriotic. >> and just five years later mr. obama is president and suddenly the debt isn't the problem, the ceiling is the problem. >> congress must authorize the

treasury to pay america's bills. this is done with a simple, usually routine vote to raise what's called the debt ceiling. >> this is important. raising the debt ceiling is not the same as approving more spending. >> it is not? i already gave one unfriendly analogy involving lung cancer. let's say i am a drug addict. i am strung out on heroin. i will feel better in the short run if i inject more raheroin. in the long run i will be better off whether i am going cold turkey or methadone clinic or figuring out some way to get from my addiction to being cured. likewise we have to figure out how we go from addiction to government spending whether it is financed by borrowing or spending. there are too many people being trapped by the heroin. the lobbyists, washington is one of the most corrupt towns you

can image. >> where do you live? i don't see people objecting to it. most people with he do. >> we heard about people objecting to the fact that the government was about to shut down and we were about to default on the debt. we didn't hear more people talking about the 17 trillion. the debt limit is one of the few times they have to come together and fess up to the free lunches. guess who gets to say somethipa? us. th oo the electorate. >> it is a liver of the electorate. they have managed to capture the public debate in refocusing our attention to the debt. their efforts this last time were far from successful. a lot of people are disappointed about the deal they have reached. at least we are talking about the debt. >> spending 3.6 trillion is the problem. i find it fascinating how many politicians will say government doesn't even have a spending problem. here is senator hark em from

iowa. >> if we are so rich, why are we so broke? is it a spending problem? no. >> it is almost a false argument to say we have spending problem. we have a budget deficit problem we have to address. >> last year president obama spent 45 mers more than tax revenues we got in. that is an entire mismanagement of federal resources. we have a spend be problem. it would be great if we could figure out capping spending. it is part of the debt limit deal you can work on it. >> i get angry at the congressman speak. it sounds as if the world revolves around them and government. leggs en listen to before the agreement. >> people in america have seen this movie several times. the american damsel is tied to

the tracks, and the engine is bearing down, and the question is the question is whether or not congress will come to the rescue and save this country. >> government is going to save the country. >> i like his anal but wh-- ana but they have the food stamps and military budget and department of transportation that is what our problem is right now. we have gone so far a field from what our founding fathers wanted in terms of unlimited government bound by the chains of constitution. you are one of the pushers up on capitol hill. they think it is great because they get to buy votes for our money. >> where is president obama with this train baring down on the

damsel on the tracks? instead of acting like the leader of the free world we hope our president to be he's urging the train to go faster. >> he likes to spend. >> spend it when you don't have to be accountable to who is paying for it. >> it would be a disaster for america but everyone knows that. >> philosophically opposed to borrowing more money. however distasteful it is everybody realizes as long as we are borrowing money not raising the debt ceiling would be a irresponsible thing to do. am it would be a disaster. >> everybody realizes that? >> defaulting on our debt would be a disaster but that's not what would happen if we increase the debt ceiling. it is expected to deflect as much interest on the debt. >> the debt is 300 billion.

they collect 300. >> they 2 will be $235 billion. tax revenues will be $3 trillion. i don't have great faith in the federal government but even i think with 3 trillion they could figure out how to prior fiez the -- prior tides their spending so we didn't default. would it be messy? would it be a hassle? yes, of course it would be. this notion that we would default without an increase in the debt ceiling was either dishonest or ignorant. >> finally, i want to point out this. people on the street didn't know what to cut. >> yes, we should cut. >> people had no idea what they are cutting. >> what would you cut? >> what would i cut? >> tough question. >> what would you cut? >

i would have to see the choices. >> they don't know. >> we need reforms to entitlement for this country to be sustainable. i would recommend having a cop on spending so we can have a conversation on what size should the government be? >> all we have to do is raise inflation we could balance the budget. slowing down the krogrowth of government will get us to where we need to be over time. >> good luck with that. g go to facebook or twitter and let people know what you think. >> coming up there's nothing funny about our $17 trillion debt. hollywood movie makers did find a way to make me laugh about it. >> what can i do for you today? >> i would like to raise my debt limit? >> excuse me? >> my debt limit, i would like to raise it.

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i li you get a chart like this. lax like a family budget. when i show this to people they understand. >> what do you think of these people. they are making 24,000 am. they are spending 35,000. they are almost 11,000 dollars in debt. >> they need to get their priorities straight on what they need to be spending and saving their money on. >> this is the federal budget. i took zeros off. >> whoa. the that's a lot. >> that is a lot. when they see this they get it. so i thought i was so clever to come up with that idea. then i saw a video which is much more clever and a better way to explain the problem. a man goes to a bank to get a loan. >> what can i do for you today? >> i would like to raise my debt limit. >> last time i checked you were in serious debt. >> yeah, it's pretty bad. maybe we should raise that. >> it says you are 14,270 dollars in debt. >> i figure we should raise it

to 170,000. i bought a 60 inch flat screen. >> politicians keep spending. so, i am happy that even in hollywood there are a few people who think it is ridiculous. two got together to make that video. put it on youtube where it has been watched more than a million times. seth meyer made it and hired the actors. >> it was something that we had talked about and i thought of the idea and pitched it to my brother. we were both laughing so hard i figured it was something we should move forward with and write a script. >> yet you say you are not political? >> we thought it was a universal theme. if we could lob off all of the zeros show it to a typical family they could get it. will it was amazing how quickly people picked it up. we made the video two years ago

it is timeless. every time the topic comes up we get a surge of hits and views. you found it. appreciate the feedback. >> some of the numbers are old as we play more of it. seth meyer makes me think about the guy seth meyer on saturday night live. but you don't look at him. >> no, we are from the same area. no, i get that a lot. >> you made gi joe 2. >> take the credit, man. >> yes, i am seth meyer. >> the bank officer asked the kind of question a loan officer would ask. >> make about 21 a year. >> okay. are you still spending 38,000 a year? >> that is what it says. >> you are adding 17,000 a year

in debt. >> that is going up. ding. >> do you have any cuts in your spending? >> we cut $380 out of our annual budget. so you are adding 17,000 a year to your 140,000 dollars in debt and you cut $380? >> you say it like that it sounds like a lot. >> you don't see how bad that is, do you? >> i cut my budget by $380. are you kidding? >> the 380 refers to what we saved tsince the last budget deal? >> right. >> i just want to point out how brilliant that bald actor is. the guy is unbelievable. little bit of a diva, but he is phenomenal. >> let's watch the end of your film where the irresponsible consumer and banker find a

solution to the loan problem the same solution america's politicians choose. the borrowers bringing his daughter, the borrower brings in his daughter and she signs the papers. >> sign there. ment>> aren't kids a blessing? she is got plenty of time to deal with all of this? >> are we all set? >> you are all set. >> let's go kid doe. we have to meet mommy at the car store. >> thank you, seth and brian. i am glad millions of people watched that. i hope you raise people's consciousness. >> thanks john for getting it out there. >> next we look more closely at what the end of the film real mines. america does assume our kids will pay our debt. >> i need this here. we have the pay for my medicare. >> wasn't very nice of you to steal from my sister like that. does your dog food have? 18 percent? 20? new purina one true instinct has 30.

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>> excuse me. he need to take this. i am old. i need this. i need to take this scooter. >> give that back. >> taking things from kids is nice for me but the rest of you have to deal with the debt bomb. >> $17 trillion debt is bad enough. but the real bomb is coming. coming because people my age rudely refys to die and we maybe boomers are trained to believe we deserve not just social security but the real budget buster medicare which includes all of the cool new stuff modern medicine vents. we paid into social security and medicare our whole lives we are entitled to get our money back. what what my generation doesn't know with will he will get back much more than we put in and it is unsustainable. to try to fay for it recreate

generalal -- generational theft. you are not that young but you are going to have at that pay for me. >> that seems to be the plan. and people younger than me are going to have to pay for me. that's what this system amounts to. it is a generational chain letter. >> that was what it was supposed to be when fdr set it up. what's wrong with that? >> the problem is that it is just fiscally unsustainable to keep promising each generation they are going to get more and more money. especially as the length of the average life is getting longer and the number of kids people are having is getting smaller so you have to support people for a longer time in retirement and you have got fewer workers who are doing it. >> people forget when fdr created social security most people didn't live to age # of 5. >> that is right. it is one of those things that

is part of our welfare state that has not been modernized and updated to keep account of changing times. >> some people say just raise taxes. >> if you raise taxes you are hurting the economy and that is just more kind of generational theft because you are leaving a smaller economy to the future but you are not going to be able to raise taxes enough to make up short fall. >> there are so many people roughly my age we are the baby boomers. you could double taxes and it wouldn't cover this. i keep theiring hehearing these. $30 trillion unfunded liability. 9s $0 trillion. we spend 3 trillion a year which is enough. these future numbers are impossible. >> that is right. if you want a good scare before halloween look at the projections on u.s. federal

debt. those are driven overwhelmingly by medicare and social security. >> the 30 trillion is going out about how many yearings? >> i forget which numbers go with which, because the fact is nobody really knows. we don't know what healthcare costs are going to be like in the future. we don't know what expensives are going to be. the federal government is supposed to pay for it all. >> people were aware young people will have to suffer to give money to people like me. >> how are we going to pay for that? >> we have to leave it to the next generation again. >> they will have high inflation, high prices, shortages. >> the real problem is entitlements. you two and me paying for our healthcare. >> right. >> you want to give some of your medicare back? >> no, not really.

>> right now this is generational theft it means you and you and i are stealing from these kids. will it's like i am sorry, i need this here. can i have -- we have to pay for my medicare. >> i don't like it. >> wasn't very nice of you to steal from my sister like that. >> they don't like it. but they don't vote. even when they come to voting age we older people are much more likely to vote. i don't see how this is going to end well. >> the good news is we can make adjustments that are modest starting now. the bad news. >> like? >> we could make social security benefits not rise over time. someone who retires 20-years from now they should get the same benefit level as someone who retires today. the law says they will get a much bigger benefit. it would be great if we can afford it. we can't. that's the sort of change we can make now so you don't have to make a sudden change when you

are out of money. older voters whether republicans or democrats or something else they don't want to make that sacrifice partly because they have been told they are getting their own money back even though that's not true. they are getting back a lot more than they put in. >> we older people are also richer the media net worth of somebody over 65 is 170,000 dollars. medium net worth of someone under 353 and , three and a hal thousand. >> they are redistributing money to people who are wealthier. >> thank you. coming up, i will fight with a famous democrat bob beckel who says what this singer says. ♪ raise the debt ceiling ♪ raise the debt ceiling ♪ raise the debt ceiling

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>> we will be up to $17 trillion in debt. it helps to look at our debt over time. from for 150 years america had almost no debt. they rose during world war, came down after world war ii due sta but starting around 1980 it exploded. it went straight up. it is unsustainable. outside of this building the big graph i told america how much we spend per person every year. and most agreed that america has a spending problem. they want it cut. what would they cut? >> what would you cut? >> you can't cut education. >> we need to cut spending. >> what would you cut? >> can't cut healthcare i don't

think. what shouldn't we cut? social security? >> no. >> i am not sure what else you can military and medical care. >> that should be cut? >> that's a hard question. the>> you can't answer it either? is>> helps me understand the viewpoint of all of those democrats that say just raise the debt ceiling. one of those is the brilliant bob beckel. i say he is brilliant you fight with four people on "the five" every day and often win all by yourself but you are not worried about this 17 trillion? >> i like you a lot. every time i hear you talk about this, that fear and pain in your face, i worry about you. the aefrnnswer is no i am not. yes it has sky rock etded.

why? simple reason, defense spending and entitlement programs. that's why it has gone up. the rest of the budget is relatively insignificant. >> well, 30 percent is left after that. >> no, but you have to take into account the interest on the national debt. >>ity right. defense and entitlements are the biggie. >> and the interest on the national debt which is almost 300 million. and at some point when i say the debt doesn't matter what is it about the debt that bothered you personally. not philosophically, but bothered you in your life financially this morning when you woke up, what was it? >> i thought about that 300 billion and there are 300 million people in the country fewer than half pay taxes. it costing me a couple thousand every year in my bracket probably 10,000 a year.

>> you talked about your personal tax level. >> and my kids. they have to pay for that. >> let me take you another way. this is assuming -- the projections on debt are assuming the status quo. nothing is going to change. is there a reason to believe that's not a bad thing to think they are not going to change things? yes. except for this. the interest on the national debt is going to begin to intrude on programs where you can't spend any money that democrats and republicans like. where can you cut a deficit? these people you interviewed didn't mention? certainly the defense department. we spent more money than defense in the country than all other countries in the world combined. >> we agree but that's not enough. >> no. what we ought to do is reassess medicare because that's out of control. >> you agreed. any democratic politicians? >> they are coming there because i talked to them about this.

i go to talk to the kaek cusses. they always want somebody to beat up on the left side. i point out to them when you keep paying interest like this at some point whether it is a bomb program or head start or meals on wheels, something has to give. you are not going to have enough nun. what is get to get it through your head is the interest on the national debt. forget about the rest of that. we can pay interest on the national debt but at a cost from something else. i would say main steps medicare i say you redue the formula on social security. it was never meant to be a retirement program. it was meant to be insurance. >> for the few people who live past 65. now the life expectancy has raised almost to 80. >> raise the retirement age?

>> i would raise the retirement age. i would raise what do we pay now 112,000 for social security. i think that should go 150 to 200. >> takes the money away from you. >> and you that's right. i think we can afford that. but the medicare thing i can't for the life of me understand why we are spending this much money on people who are wealthy living in florida we pay huge to pay them. >> i am glad to hear that. thank you bob beckel. another time. >> let's do it. >> coming up, next time we run out of money would default really be so bad? wouldn't you rather stiff the chinese and rich bangers who hold governme -- rich bankers? what would defaulting on our debt mean? that's next. {off-lin {off-line}

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>> before the government 79 shut down we were told a shut down would be a catastrophe. what happened? >> how do you feel about the partial shut down? >> i personally love it. life goedz on. >> life went on. most people hardly noticed the

partial shut down. default would be worse. default means government could not pay it's debt. i was told that would be a real catastrophe. >> the pain would be felt across every sector of society. it would plunge the country back into recession. >> i think this time we are playing with fire. >> default didn't happen this time either. what about next time we don't have enough money to pay our bills. why not just default. wouldn't you rather get the chinese or bankers that hold bonds rather than not pay social security or the military? i would. but derek jones says no. america wadefault. he's an economist at george mason university. i assume you know more about this than i. where do i go wrong? >> part of it is so many of us have already invested in america. we have pension funds and banks we hold our savings in and retirement accounts. these are all ways we have saved. will if the government breaks the promise to debt holders it

is breaking a promise to many of us. >> at the rate we are going we are not going to have the money. so three choices, right? they can inflate the currency into nothingless so they give us the money but it doesn't have the value. they stiff the chinese or bondholders or they don't pay the old people that need the money. >> yeah, those are really the three options that face all of us, right? >> you are saying you can't do any of it? >> i think they are all ugly choices. my guess in real life what will the rich countries do to take these problems especially the u.s. we are going to do some mixture of raising taxes and cutting spending. politically and economically it's hard to send it to the bondholders. >> russia defaulted argentina defaulted. they were doing awell. >> relatively well. >> those are middle income countries. there's something different about the average american getting pulled over for a dui

and the class valedictorian when a country like the u.s. which has made every single bond payment since the constitution was written. when the country like the u.s. breaks a promise to the bondholders investors will be tear fied for years to come. >> we break promises all of the time. we were going to attack syria. >> the president said in 2008 he would cut spending. why should this be so different? back to argentina or russia. they suffered greatly. within a couple years they were growing at 8 percent like they found a new floor and got a new start. >> you are right. every once in a while someone who has bad luck, a family with bad financial luck have had bankruptcy they come right out. the u.s. we have been the financial center of the world for quite sometime. the u.s. has been able to poborw at low interest rates. the private sector builds on the stability of the government sector. people would be afraid to spend

money on big u.s. firms. >> i would think they would be afraid now. they can they the direction they are going by saying we are going to give you a 5 percent haircut. that changes erg and then interest rates shoot up. >> you make a good point right there. the 5 percent haircut may not square american investors all that much. but a 5 percent haircut promising to pay 95 percent of what you owe isn't going to save us that much money either. >> we need much more. let's take a look at this video made by the group that says it's a terrible thing we rely so much on chinese money to cover our debt and shows the chinese teacher mocking us. (speaking chinese) >> but what are they going to

do? i don't see what the problem is. they have nothithey are not goi repossess the empire state building and apple and general motors. what can they do? >> you are exactly right. it is always really tempting for national governments to default on the debt for no reason. the reason why is because nations want to keep their reputation. there must be some reason why when rich countries go to defaulting they only half default, fpartially default. they pay about two-thirds of it because they hate being cut out of the international credit markets. government rely on borrowing to keep the engines running. >> our debt is not an insurmountable problem it just requires a few cuts. i will make them when we come back. how mu protein

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coming. with the attitude of many is captured nicely by the performer in that recent tv video we have been playing. ♪ raise the debt ceiling >> none of us should be negotiating on the debt ceiling. >> so congress did again. the only good news is that this time thanks to some republican push back, big government is finally part of the debate. >> lots of people i talked to said government needs to be cut. >> this idea of kicking the can again to february is just a terrible concept. >> tonight i poke fun at how many couldn't name any specific cuts. >> that is really tough. >> i should also point out that some could. in my experience this is new. >> what would you cut? >> education and spending, and postal programs. >> really? what about the people who need them. >> that's what the states are for. >> you don't want to pay for my

healthcare? >> no, sorry. >> what would you cut? >> anything not authorized by the constitution we eliminate. >> what would happen to the poor people? >> i am a poor person. i would eat. i would find a way to eat. >> this woman borrowed 250,000 to pay for law school. >> would you like the government to stop living goens like that so we don't go broke? >> i think the government makes it too easy for individuals to obtain loans. >> too easy for you to get a loan? >> way too easy. no questions asked. here's 50 k, enjoy it. >> government should dominate the student loan business. they spend a lot of money on harmful things. i nominate nancy pelosi for ridiculous politician of the month when asked why won't democrats negotiate cuts? >> why now? because the coverage is there. there are no more cuts to make. >> they spend almost 4 trillion and it is fair?

this is nuts. >> central government thinks it will disappear. there is so much that we should cut and could cut like npr and pbs funding. the there shouldn't be government television and big bird doesn't need the money. foreign aid it usually does more harm than good. on the bigger cuts, end the war on drugs. when americans hurt only themselves, leave them alone. kill fanny and freddie. government shouldn't finance 90 percent of america's mortgages. that is socialism. eliminate cabinet departments like commerce, energy, agriculture, secretary. we don't need them. commerce happens. it doesn't need a department. education is a local responsibility. the fed spending 100 billion a year didn't raise test scores one bit. finally the three biggest

programs first defense. we are not safer when we try to police the world. we could cut military spending by hundreds of billions if we limited the military's mission to the intended roll protecting americans. and finally social security and medicare. we have to do things like raise the retirement age. turn medicare into an insurance plan that is self sustaining. that means if i want the latest in fancy medicine i have to pay for it myself. there is much more than could be cuts and down sizing government.org, kato institute, analyst detail hundreds of ideas. no they can't there's a chapter where i cut all of the way to a fat budget surplus. but to save america from bankruptcy we don't even need to make all those cuts. we could grow our way out of debt if congress simply froze spending. won't do that either. even if they limited spending growth to 2 percent per year, we

would balance the budget in just three years. let's do it. that's our show. see you next week. tonight on h teachers forced to join unions and pay dues. >> my union uses my money to fight against something i believe in strongly. >> bullied and silenced by her union she is suing to cope politics out of the education. and the body was left on the tarmac three hours. >> the father of one of the four americans killed in benghazi demanding answers from the president. >> i wished he had sent the troops that everybody knows was vaebl. >> tonight charles woods with the response from the commander in chief.