he's been in foster care for his entire life. good advice to continue looking into it in your area. go to facebook.com/the kelly file. follow me on twitter. tell me what you think. thanks for watching. let me know what's up? here's "hannity." welcome to the white house. you have probably heard health care.gov hasn't worked as smoothly as it was supposed to work. >> the sales man in chief puts the spin on problems plaguing his disastrous health care law. >> even with the problems at health care.gov the website is working for a lot of people. >> it's easy to use and understand. >> will kathleen sebelius be held accountable? >> she will have to resign. she no longer has the credibility to do the job. >> the program she's implemented is a disaster. >> former vice president dick cheney is here to talk about his new book. plus his take on the state of

washington and more. that and ann coulter. quo hasn't starts right here, right now. welcome to "hannity." the obama care roll out disaster. it appears the president is now the salesman in chief. earlier today he spoke in the rose garden and tried to convince you, the american people, that this health care law is still a good idea despite the train wreck of a rollout. watch this. >> through the marketplaces you can get health insurance for what may be the the equivalent of your cell phone bill. the product, the health insurance is good. the prices are good. it is a good deal. people don't just want it. they are showing up to buy it. nobody is madder than me about the fact that the website isn't working as well as it should which means it's going to get fixed. >> three years, $634 million of

your hard earned tack dollars. that's not all. the president continued to push the democratic-fuelled talking points which have been pushed since october 1. the computer glitches happen because too many people are trying to log in at once. he isn't alone in that talking point. watch the the bouncing ball. >> the number of people has been overwhelming which aggravated problems. >> there has been unexpectedly high levels of interest. we are taking action every day. that's the principle reason there is a b problem. >> it is not unique when you have a large new software program come out that people work to clean it up. so many millions of people rushed to get in. it shows the interest there is. >> it's true what happened is the website got overwhelmed by volume. >> the biggest challenge is keeping our websites up because of the volume. this doesn't show the hunger the american people have to sign up

for health care, i don't know what does. >> we found out there have been times this morning where the site has been running more slowly than it normally will. the reason is because more than 1 million people visited health care.gov before 7:00 in the morning. >> why can't they just be honest? report after report indicates it has nothing to do with the number of people trying to log onto the website. there are a dozen reasons including the fact that some reports indicate they used 10-year-old technology, and the software wasn't tested until a week before the launch. no matter how hard team obama tries to spin and get surrogates to follow the spinning bouncing ball we'll continue to ek pose what the administration wants to suppress. starting now, if you haven't looked, watch the bottom of your screen. you can see how much premiums are rising for average americans.

if you are 27, 50, see how much your premium is going up. on average men are seeing a 99% increase. women, 62% according to forbes magazine. joining me marcia blackburn, congresswoman, how are you? >> i'm well. >> i called the number twice today on my radio show. we got through on the number the president gave us today. we got through. two nice operators probably will be fired for talking to me. they said, go back to the website. so the toll free number is president gave to help you directs you to the website that's not working. only government can screw it up this bad. help us out. >> you're exactly right. $600 million plus all of the hhs staff they have invested in this. they have problems. it doesn't work. the president promised people their insurance premiums would go down.

they have gone up. he said if you like it you can keep it. not true. especially for those of us with health savings accounts. a site that should have cost a half million to build, not a half billion dollars to build. and nobody can make heads or tails of it. they don't want to come and just admit they made a mistake. it doesn't work. they've got a program that's too expensive to afford and the system they are using to show case it has been a failure. so we are looking for answers. >> i had a harvard grad i talked to last week. he said he could build a better system that could have all the capacity they need for less than a million dollars. if i'm the ceo of a company, anybody that's giving that much money and that much time that screws up this bad is getting fired. why isn't kathleen sebelius fired?

>> thanks for having me, sean. she should be fired. this is totally unacceptable. they have had over three years to do this. the president himself, five days before the website launched said it would be just as easy as going to kayak.com and booking a flight. this is the yet another broken promise with this president and this health care law. marcia mentioned people losing their plans which he said wouldn't happen. we had 300,000 people in florida who had their planned cancelled today because of obama care. >> yeah. on average, this is what i don't understand. maybe this goes to the heart of the debate we have had. if men are seeing on average a 99% increase. women a 62% increase. look at delaware. if you're 27 years old, 99.9% increase. why aren't people demanding the savings the president promised? >> i think as people get their renewal notices that's what we'll see.

obama care started out to be an $863 billion access to insurance program for individuals that didn't have access. that's what they said it was going to be. another broken promise. what it has become a is $2.6 trillion taking of the health care sector of our nation's economy. 17% of our economy. this is what people are beginning to realize. you've got to pay for it. all the mandates on the hospital, physicians, all sorts of health care delivery. the cuts to medicare in order to stand this up. somebody has to pay. there is no such thing as free. we are seeing now that it is unbelievable if in the way that it is affecting every single portion of health care delivery

and insurance in this country. insurance is where people will see the impact first. >> jay carney refused to rule out delaying the individual mandate today. which is all the republicans in the houser with asking for for the whole shutdown. is that a possibility at this late hour? >> i don't see how you can have the irs taxing americans for failing to purchase a product off a government-run website that doesn't work. it's just not fair. we could have done this september 30th. we never would have had a government shutdown. guess what, that will actually save the government according to cbo 35 billion dollars this year. no one's talking about a spending cut that big. to me it's a no-brainer at this point. >> all right, guys. appreciate you being with us. coming up, ann coulter is here. later, former vice president dick cheney will drop by for an exclusive interview. we'll talk about his new book, the state of the republican

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absolutely she should resign. obama care is a disaster. it's not working. it's hurt people. >> her refusal to testify and be transparent is under mining her credibility. there may be a point, perhaps not today, but she will have to

resign largely because she no longer has the credibilijob. senators ted cruz and marco rubio slamming kathleen sebelius yesterday. after the embarrassing, completely disastrous roll out of obama care she over saw calls for her resignation are growing louder by the day. the secretary will testify as early as next week b b about what went wrong. when she knew it regarding the health care website. what will be her fate? here to debate that ebony williams, bright bart news columnist kerry picket better known as lois lane. how are you? >> very well, sean. >> ebony, we spent $634 million. we had three years. this is a disaster. on top of being three times what they said it would cost, a b job killer and expensive. why shouldn't she get fired? wouldn't you fire her? >> no. i wouldn't fire her at this point, sean. there is so much we don't know. this roll out --

>> who's in charge? whoa. who's in charge. >> secretary sebelius is accountable, sean. >> how long did she have to get it up and running? >> substantial time. >> three years. >> how much did she spend on it? >> isn't that what this is for? >> we know. three years, $634 million. i have talked to techies saying this is ten years old. she's not responsible? >> she's accountable. we have to have proper testimony. >> testimony? >> absolutely. >> what could she say? my dog ate the homework? my tech friend broke it? what could she say? >> nobody is interested in

excuses. not you, me or the american people. >> if i'm obama care i'm firing her. where is the leadership here? >> if i was kathleen sebelius i would have been out of it. if the sites just fell down which they did she could say, well, the sites fell down. it wasn't my fault the. obama care can blame her now. she will be the sacrificial lamb. she went to a hearing and remember the the obama care waivers she said she didn't know about? she doesn't want to face it under scrutiny in senate

hearings where you will have a number of democrats who b will be regretful, handling her with kid gloves. the republicans on the other hand, will want answers. >> ebony, let me go back to you. the average person in north dakota, plus 96% increase in premium. every state. 45 states increases in premiums for people what happened to the savings the president promised? why aren't you angry that the arch man is seeing premiums double. the average woman is seeing

premiums go up 62%. why aren't you feeling betrayed when the president said we would see a savings of $2500 a year. >> the reason i'm not angry is to me i saw that that was rhetorical politics. >> rhetorical -- >> this the health care package gives us more coverage. that costs more money. >> rhetorical politics? so he knew he was lying? >> i don't know if the president knew he was lying. i have common sense. when a package gives you more coverage -- >> you did the math and figured. >> i'm a young healthy person, i knew i would pay more. >> what about -- does that bother you sp. >> it's a b problem. i'm not thinking the legislation is without a pob. the president -- >> ebony, the problem here right now is a number of people who already had health insurance that barack obama said they

could keep are now getting letters from their health insurance company saying guess what, you are going to have to go into the exchanges and you will lose the insurance plan you had. that was something barack obama promised wouldn't happen. unfortunately it is happening. >> ebony? >> yeah. that is unfortunate. at the end of the day though something had to be -- >> that's a big unfortunate. >> america was broken. i don't think anybody can dispute it. we had 47 million people uninsured. something has to be done. >> 30 million -- cbo -- >> wait a minute. we have to pay for that. >> cbo says 30 million uninsured. that's a problem. >> let me give you a reality check. >> i'm waiting. >> a lot of people who have plenty of money will get kons seerj doctors and say, we'll pay for our own health care. everybody else will just get low quality obama care exchange

health care. that's it. >> no. that correlation is unfair. >> that's what will happen. >> with all of this -- three times what the projected cost. people are paying uh up to $7500 more. they are not saving a penny. it's a $10,000 swing. a disastrous roll out. we need to cut our losses and cut sebelius. a disaster. good luck defending this in 2014. all right. thanks. appreciate it. up next, we have a busy night. dick cheney joins us and the always outspoken ann coulter is next with reaction to the president's desperate attempt to defend obama care and how his liberal friends are beginning to turn against their old pal. you can vote for video of the day. the second option, a brawl broke out at met life stadium after the jets beat the patriots in

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welcome back to "hannity." welcome back to "hannity." despite the president's best efforts to defend this disastrous health care law earlier today it doesn't seem like many are taking the bait. even liberals are having a hard time defending obama care. over the weekend house minority leader nancy pelosi had this to say about the wonderful website.

>> the fact is that yes what's happened is unacceptable in terms of glitches. they were overwhelmed to begin with. there is much that needs to be done to correct the situation. this is unacceptable. it has to with be changed. any system that deals with that many millions of people frequently does have a glitch. >> wrong. those comments came just days after former obama propaganda press secretary robert gibbs called it excruciatingly embarrassing and even some of the obama-loving media is saying so. huffington post said failure threatens health care for millions of americans. and broken website imperils the largest expansion of the american safety net since the great society. coulter. i don't need to say your full

name. isn't it true only government can screw something up this bad. >> no. this is conservatives' objection to the whole take over of health care to we gin with. it is a law of nature that everything run by the government will get expensive over time. everything run by the private sector gets better and cheaper. the fact that it starts this badly does not bode well. we want health care run on the same system that gave us cell cell phones, flat screens, jerry garcia ch irgs a pets. everything on the free market gets better. look at amazon. this will only get worse. obama care is designed to fail so they can move to a single payer system which will be worse. >> even cbs news said obama is headed for a credibility death spiral. i agree with the analysis. those people that were dooming and glooming republicans for the shutdown were wrong. consumer reports, ann. they are telling people to stay away from the website.

>> i know. that's right. something you and i haven't been able to talk about on tv. this is why i think the shutdown was magnificent sh run beautifully. i'm proud of the republicans. they have branded the republicans as the anti-obama care party. obama care is unpopular. if you want to over turn it, vote for republicans. we have to take the senate. >> ted cruz goes back to texas and says it's great to be back in america. goes back to texas. i have been out speaking with

you and you get a good reaction. >> eight minutes. >> eight minutes straight. a standing ovation. >> who gets an eight-minute standing ovation? rivera didn't get one. >> if i were in the crowd i would have given him and mike lee the same ovation. i disagree with some -- and i don't think you are one of them -- the republicans saying they are chickens. what's the point in banging your head against the wall? it's brilliant. funding 80% of the government. fund all the government except obama care. then fund all of government plus obama care but delay it for a year. then the last week is because democrats don't want to live under obama care. they got crossed arms, no negotiation from democrats and all the name calling. republicans played it beautifully. there was no point to carrying it on. the lesson that needs to be learned we have to elect republicans. >> you're fine in the end. i'm mad at john mccain, bob corker. >> the ones who criticized. >> if republicans could hold the line like democrats, hold the ranks on principle because it is bad for the country they would have won.

>> i would expand it to a lot of the media on our side. one of my points in favor of the shutdown was there was no drudge report in 1995, no fox news, no internet. no one was on the internet back then. >> isn't that crazy? >> we have a lot of what we refer to as our media spending all their time critiquing ted cruz. i would put it to you this way. if the parties had been reversed. if republicans on a strict party line vote passed a massively unpopular law instantly democrats won a huge majority in the house and democrats say we'll fund the whole government except your unpopular law do you think nbc, abc, cbs and the new york times would have critiqued their guy saying oh, we disagree with your tactics and you're crazy and you're going too far. no. there is a reward in this society for criticizing republicans. whether it is alleged rhino republicans or conservatives.

>> this is a debate or discussion we are having. i want more ted cruzes elected. i want the conservative solution caucus formed. >> right. >> they have to be willing to fight on principle. this was principle to me. >> i agree. i love these guys. we should be proud. tea partiers should be standing tall after the last few weeks. and the last two polls by gallup and one by nbc/wall street journal it was propaganda not polling. any pollster will tell you a poll of all adults is irrelevant. it includes people who can't name the vice president, people who don't know we have a supreme court. the only polls that matter are likely voter polls. those showed the public roughly split. as for your caucus, that's fine. first let's get a majority. let's not waste our time primarying our own guys. >> some deserve it. >> our energy and money should

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welcome back. now welcome back. now former vice president dick cheney's health struggles have been well known for years.

with five heart attacks and recently a transplant. now for the first time ever the former vice president is poping up about his medical conditions and his 35-year battle with heart disease. his brand new book which he cowrote with his cardiologist is in stores tomorrow. he joins us for his first cable interview. how are you? >> great to be back. >> i remember -- i'm trying to put the time in my mind with the book. i interviewed you at your house after you left office. >> right. >> you were in bad shape. >> that was a rough patch. i left in january of 2009. over the next 17 months i went from a serious heart patient but at the end of 17 months i was in end stage heart failure, near death. >> you were telling me you were on with dr. oz today. >> yeah. >> he had all different sized -- >> he's a heart surgeon and knows about the business. he had a tray covered with a blue cloth.

then some gloves, you know. they pulled back the cover and there were three real hearts. not models. a little one that was normal size. a mid-sized one that had an lvad, the pump i had and then a big one. of course mine by the end -- and it lasted me 70 years. i don't want to be critical of it, but it was more than twice the normal size because of all the scar tissue. he had a vivid display. he'd pick up a heart and hand it to me and what do you think of that. i would pass it off to john. >> you took a picture of how big yours was at the end. how big? >> close to six inches across. normal size would be about the size of two hands clasped together. after five heart attacks, seven cardiac arrests, a defibrillator, an lvad, a clasp that kept it working.

all the work that was done to it over the years, it's gone now. the only thing left that shows i was a heart patient is i have a scar down the middle of my chest where they went in three times to do open heart surgery. i have a new heart inside and all the mechanical and electronic gear and so forth is gone. >> you have dedicated among the people in the book also to the person who donated it. >> the donor, absolutely. and the donor's family. i don't know anything. but i know their heart was in better shape than mine. a year after the surgery they do a complete catheterzation of the new heart. those arteries are perfectly clean. there's no blockage of any kind. ty probably haven't had a heart that clean since i was a teenager. >> what's the difference in how you feel? probably a basic question. what's the difference? >> well, first of all, i reached the point where, you know, you

adjust after you have had heart disease that long. i was convinced eventually i would die of heart disease. that we'd run out of time, out of treatment, the technology wouldn't keep ahead of my disease. now all of the sudden when you get the new heart your life opens up before you again. you don't know how long you're going to live. you are back to the normal expectations. you can't set a date certain you're going to hang it up. the other thing is the sense that i can get back and do what i wanted to do. i reached a point on the old heart where i had trouble getting out of a chair. all i wanted to do was get out of bed in the morning, walk to my office and sit back down in the chair. now i throw 50 pound bags of horse feed in the back of the pickup truck. i don't even think about it. i'm doing those things. the only thing i can't do is ski. but that's because i have bad knees. >> bad legs. >> yeah. >> you said you believed you were approaching the end of your days.

you were pain-free, at peace and felt you led a remarkable life. were you resolved to the thought that you thought you were going to die? do you believe that? >> i did. i reached the point of end stage heart failure. the hart was so weak after five heart attacks and sudden cardiac arrest and all the surnlryes and so forth that there really were no options left. except that's when the lvad pump came on the scene. i knew given where i was at that it was only a matter of days and eventually hours. when they put the pump in to sustain the heart i was -- my kidney and liver were shutting down. the heart wasn't moving enough blood to feed my organs. they worked on me nine hours on an emergency basis one night. used over 20 units of blood. it was the toughest procedure i had to go through.

part of it was because i was weak because i was so sick. my heart had worn out. i came back out of that. i had pneumonia as i recovered. i was on a respirator for weeks, heavily sedated. had to work my way to get back to the point where i was healthy enough for a transplant. >> when this first started, you had your first heart attack at 37. >> 37 years old. >> was that -- i have heard somebody describe it like a car on your chest. was that what it felt like to you? >> no. with me i had a tingling sensation in two fingers of my left hand. that was it. no chest pain. i didn't sweat or anything like that. i woke up in the middle of the night. i was on a campaign in cheyenne, first run for congress, staying with a friend. the thing that triggered was i had a first cousin who was a doctor himself who had a bad heart attack a few weeks before. that triggered the thought that i needed to have it checked out. so i woke up the people we were

staying with. they drove lynn and i to the hospital. i walked into the emergency room, sat on the table and passed out. i was having a heart attack. that's the only symptom i had was just the tingling sensation. >> i guess a big part of the story is that you ended up quitting smoking then and technology stayed one step ahead of you. >> exactly right. >> explain that part. >> if you think of the things that kept me going, cholesterol-lowering medicine in '88. >> statin. >> it was a miracle drug. that was one of my problems was a high cholesterol level. the implantable defibrillator like the paddles they use to restart you when you go into sudden cardiac arrest. my doctor who cowrtoe the book with me, jon reiner. he was wise enough to suggest

back in 2001 that i should have an implantable defibrillator. like a pacemaker but with the added feature of being able to measure heart rate and shock it into normal rhythm. eight years later, that's exactly what happened. that saved my life. >> they had to reprogram -- >> well, there was a problem. because the latest version which i had by then was capable of being programmed remotely which was a nice feature in terms of being able to manage it. as vice president the concern was -- >> somebody would kill you. >> somebody on a rope line with the right device could interfere with that implantable defibrillator and cause it to go into sudden cardiac arrest. some years later, in fact on an episode of "homeland" bad guys did kill the vice president by tampering with his implantable defibrillator. >> one of the number one killers of everybody. great advice here.

great council. and shows what medicaled a vapss have done. >> i hope it convey it is notion that there is hope. >> yeah. >> there are 80 million americans out there with heart disease. i look at the audience when i make a speech. i can say with a fair degree of accuracy every fourth person has or will have a heart problem in their life. part of the story we want to tell is to show the dramatic improvement in our capabilities of dealing with heart disease over the last 40 years. >> amazing. you have stayed one step ahead. you were the guinea pig the whole way. >> it was far enough along so it worked for me. obviously there was a lot of luck involved. prayers from a lot of people. went through the rough spots. my family was unbelievable. lynn had to nurse me every day. had to change my dressing for 20 months while i was living on a pump. that's tough. it was a lot of people contributing to the effort. for that i will be grateful, especially to the donor.

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welcome b welcome back to "hannity." we continue with dick cheney. his new book "heart, an american medical odyssey" is out in stores tomorrow. there is a battle obviously ted cruz, rand paul, mike lee, marco rubio in this battle versus, quote, the establishment republicans. where do you see the battle? >> well, i'm not unsympathetic to the frustration that's led many americans to sign on for or

become part of the tea party. i'm as frustrated as anybody else can be. but i think we have a situation where the circumstances in washington, the inability and unwillingness of the this administration to come to grips with our basic long-term debt problem, for example. the frustration out there is so when i see people talking about the tea party, i don't think of the tea party as extremists the way some of the folks in washington want to describe them. the extremist in washington is barack obama. he's the guy that wants to fundamentally transform the health care system. he's done enormous damage to america's standing in the world. to the extent there is an extremist or radical political

view in washington i believe it is the president of the united states. >> i agree with you. you know, i guess as a conservative first and i'm a registered conservative in new york. if you don't fight on health care which is the holy grail of the progressive movement for the last hundred years where are you going to fight? the fact that cruz was willing to stand up in the end will be a good thing. i wish some other republicans stood with him instead of attacking him. i was surprised at that. >> well, it's not that unusual. >> that's true. it's washington. >> when i became a member of congress in 1978 we had a guy named newt gingrich. he was a classmate of mine. he'd run three times before he was elected. he had a novel notion that the house republicans could become the majority. we hadn't been the majority for 40 years. and newt and the group he put

together broke a lot of china in the early days. periodically, i think we need to rejuvenate the party. we need to attract new talent. it's not always a smooth process. some place in there, we're going to have a stronger party. i think it's very important to have the tea party movement inside the republican party, not outside. >> what do you think of -- well, reagan challenged gerald ford. >> sure did. >> and a lot of people -- >> almost beat us. >> came very close, right? >> very close. this is not new. what do you think of these younger, newer, i guess anti-establishment, if you will, those who are willing to break the china, the ted cruzs of the world. what do you think? >> i don't know them all that well. mike lee, i don't know, although i hear good things about him. so i sort of -- my basic attitude is, they're new. they're going to have to try their wings. sometimes they'll be successful, sometimes they won't.

some will have to adjust. he wasn't thought of interimly as somebody who was part of the team as somebody out there who was willing to take positions. sometimes i agreed with him, sometimes i didn't. we're at a point in our history what we have major, major challenges. she believes that barack obama is taking us away from them, we need to get back to the constitution and all those other things that have been the corner stone of success in america. >> when you start out in new york, new jersey, maybe pennsylvania, california.

washington, oregon, it's a big chunk and then you have to run the table and win ohio and you have to win indiana and you have to win florida. then you have to run the south for the most part. in my opinion, there's nothing moderate with the way reagan rap the country. what is your answer to that. >> it's a question of having a program or a se of values that we believe in as americans, as conservatives. i think that's vitally important to go forward with. but i don't think the answer is to be more like democrats. democrats say well, if you were more like us, you would win more elections.

well, we did take back the congress and we have the house of representatives today and we've had some great presidents on our side of the aisle. i also think it's a matter when the jex generation comes along that we get them involve and convince them the values we stand are are the ones they want to support. includine dealing with demograpc changes. we want to make sure we have the kind of success. we got 44% of the vote at one point. so it's partly a matter of going out and mobilizing people, some of whom have just gotten fetd up and don't pergt because they're sick of what they see happening now and we've got to persuade them and we've got a direction we want to go and a value we want to believe in. >> good to see you. you look as healthy as i've seen you forever. >> i feel healthy, sean.

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