>> i don't see the moonwalk. maybe we should have closed in on that. all right, that is all the time we have left this evening. as always, thank you for being with us. let not your heart be troubled. start every day with "fox & friends." thanks for being with us. here is how to do it pick up the phone. the new answer to obama care. really? the phone? is that really president obama's new solution? well, that's what he said today. and so we tried his last idea all of us going online and then we all discovered the web site, well, that was a flop. and then even more annoying president obama blamed the american people for his lousy web site. he said the problem was too many of us logged on at once. you knew it was your fault, right? but tonight "on the record" is investigating obama ha care. >> the web site that's supposed to make it easy to apply for and purchase the insurance is not working. >> it's a failure. >> it ask a good deal. >> it's been a fiasco. >> it's not as quick or

efficient or consistent as we want. >> obama care is a disaster. >> nobody is madder than me about the fact that the web site isn't working as well as it should, which means it's going to get fixed. and this is a fox news alert. after weeks of congress asking hhs secretary kathleen sebelius finally agreeing she will be testifying next week before congress. that will be on wednesday. senator tim scott joins us. good evening, sir. >> thank you, greta. thank you for having me back. >> nice to have you. well, she will be testifying apparently this the house of representatives but your thoughts on secretary sebelius? they have been trying to get her to testify for some time. >> it's really time for her to take a stand and explain to the american people how this disaster could be so bad. it's as if she spent all of her time for looking for ways to market obama care. asking insurance companies to participate in spending money to market obama care yet we didn't have enough time focusing on how to get the opportunity to apply for

obama care online. listen, the iphone cost $150 million to produce something. we spent over $400 million for a web site that doesn't work. and you can't say there is a glitch. we need to ask very specific questions and very simple questions. what's wrong? how do you fix it? how long will it take? we are talking about one sixth of the economy. now being in the hands of folks who spent $400 million simply for a web site that doesn't work. >> well, she just released this press release a few moments ago in which she admits that it has been, in her words, rocky. that it's been rocky start but they are working tirelessly to make it better. here is a question. glitches can be fixed. how do we know that this is not just -- that these aren't flaws? flaws are a little bigger problem than glitches. >> i think the word "glitches" was pole tested to make sure people were comfortable with the thought

process. the reality is this is an absolute failure. you don't spend $400 million on a web site that people, no matter how many are trying to log on, you should be able to log on. we have hundreds of thousands of experts in sill silicon valley and across the nation who spend their time doing web sites. we ought to hire experts to build web sites. this is another example of how challenging it really is when you turn something over to the government that could be better done in the private sector. this is why it costs so much, why it doesn't work very well. migrate fear, however, is this is just a web site. we haven't started having a conversation about the provision of healthcare, about paying claims, about making sure that all the pieces fit together after 15 years in the insurance. i will tell you that the reality is, if it's hard on the front end, it's going to be really painful when we get to -- the pain of having

to take care of claims and having to take care of people. this is a real challenge. if it's this bad now, i fear the worse is still to come. >> today the president spoke from the white house. he said many politicians he was referring to those in the republican party are rooting for failure. are you routing for failure of obama care? i don't think anyone has to root for failure of obama care. obama care is consistently failing. what we should rout for is private sector opportunities to healthcare christopher delivery to make health insurance more affordable. what's the alternative? i would love to have a serious conversation about how do we solve the problem of having a more access to health insurance without giving it to the government. we see today why giving it to the government cost more and you get lower qualities when that happens. i think we could solve the problem far better in the private sector by allowing three or four basic

principles to guide us in the direction of a private sector solution. >> let's say that the online system gets up and running. the phone system works as well to register people. at that point, and you say that the obama care is going to fail. but, do you want it to fail? what i want to happen is i want more americans to have more access to health insurance. i do not believe obama care does that here are the numbers that stick in my mind. according to most experts according to 202310% of americans will still be without insurance will spend $3 trillion getting there. today, 15% of americans are without insurance. so the question is, is it really worth $3 trillion provide health insurance for 5% of the people or is there a better, more cost effective way to make sure that people have access to health insurance without

going to the government? i think the answer is yes. couple things that we should keep in mind, the cost was $900 billion just in 2009. the estimates today go in excess of $3 trillion by some experts. >> which brings me to the question then, one of the things that was battled about in the last week is the income verification to figure out who is getting obama care should have a subsidy from the federal government, subsidies go up that's a greatest coors of obama care. and yet if he we can't even figure out how to enroll people in the program, what level of competence can we have that we have this income verification so we know people who should get subsidies get them and those who should not do not? >> that's a great question. i think it brings into question also, everything from the navigators to the irs. we have a lot of serious questions that ms. sebelius needs to answer. because, at the end of the day, if we're going to ask the irs to be in charge of

the back end, the question is how do we do income verification accurately at the front end and then take into consideration the fact that these folks we are going to verify their income once we see the employer man at a time kick in, the 40 hour workweek for many employees will be gone and down to 30 hours, maybe 29 hours. so we're having a brand new conversation a year from now about how the implementation has to be once again kick started because of the new rules and the new opportunities that are coming their way after the first one year delay of the employer mandate. so piece mealing this bill together over the next several months and other the next year o two is not going to be great way for the american people to feel comfortable with a brand new entitlement that we both know is going to be very difficult to afford. we haven't started talking about the fact that it adds $6 trillion to our debt. >> senator, thank you, nice to see you, sir. >> thank you, greta. straight ahead h.h.s.

secretary sebelius is getting heat. new calls for her to resign. news tonight, house republicans are about to get their chance to grill her. congressman is here to talk about that we want to hear from you right now. hash it out with us. do you think secretary sebelius should step down or not. tweet or post using #greta. the tea party leaders say the irs targeting scandal goes all the way up very high. how high up? you will hear from two tea party leaders. that's coming up.

matters to me that the web site isn't working as well as it should. >> what has happened is unacceptable in terms of the glitches. they were overwhelmed to begin with. there is much that needs to be done to correct the situation. >> this is excruciatingly embarrassing for the white house and for the department of health and human services. this was bungled badly. >> it's not as quick or efficient or consistent as we want. >> fire some people in charge of making sure this thing was supposed to work. >> a parade of democrats even president obama himself dulaimi slamming the obama carrollout. he joe trippi joins us. nice to see you, joe. >> good to be with you you. >> why is leader pelosi

speaking out? robert gibbs, why don't they sort of be silent? >> because it's bad. i was one of the people first couple days you think it's a glitch. i mean, that makes sense. a lot of volume. the explanation made sense but it doesn't make sense anymore. it's a lot more than a glitch particularly when you see the president have to go out and make a statement today. it's a big problem aren't and how they weren't prepared for it particularly democrats. particularly with all the opposition from the republicans the whole time you knew if you messed up at all they were going to come and never give your opponent a loaded gun because they will turn around on you. >> it might be sort of a worey wart because the thing i worry about everyone is focused on the rollout and i'm looking farther down the road which is the subsidies and income verification i think to myself if they can't figure out how to enroll people in the program something so critical as

income verification to make sure people entitled to subsidies get them and those who aren't entitled to don't the american people. how can would he be confident on that aspect of the computer generated programs? look, they are bringing in the best and brightest to work on this stuff. i think it was very complicated set of programs from the beginning "new york times" says a million lines of cofd. people enroll get there the other issues, irs and other people is going to be a big problem. have you put your finger on it. if they can't get this part done when they had the three years to get to here. how are we going to get to the rest of it? this is a real problem. the -- it takes people right now where he this. to join up. you want to capture them now

you don't want people putting this off for a month or two. what's going to end up happening is -- i don't think they are going to delay, do a one year extension or delay the individual man date. they will extend the sign up period. >> how do you get rid of the fear factor, maybe i'm a fear monger about income verification. that really is important. if a lot of people get subsidies who shouldn't the thing will collapse financially. not an insignificant matter. >> >> no, no. it matters put youreninger on the point if you can't get this right how do you get that right. problems with income verification. i'm agreeing with you. i think the way they are going to deal with it, they have to deal with it. anything that's not working. i don't think they will delay the mandate. they will extend the sign up

period. extend the period where people can come into the system and verify their income. that's how i would solve it. the bigger issue is how did this happen? how did you -- how did they design a site that worked in, you know, sort of on 10-year-old technology and not make it work. >> i look at it differently. why are are people surprised? that's what i don't get. when something i'm surprised that people are surprised. what did you really expect? what did the american people expect? anyway, on something so giant like this and not testing it and like -- >> -- no. i think part of it was the move and republicans are right about this. we'll hear that's the argument we make. government isn't as good as the tech community is at doing things. you can't get the tech community in without bidding and all the government bureaucracy. >> i would love to see some bidding on contracts. usually just give aways. my scammer about -- sarcasm

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>> i suspect this next one may blow your circuit. so listen carefully. a boy scout leader caught toppling a rock formation recently filed disability claim. that's right. just a week before pushing a 2,000-pound rock he filed a personal injury lawsuit. he claims he was disabled in a car crash in 2009. he is suing the father of the teen driver who was responsible for that crash. and now after seeing taylor pushing that giant rock, the teen's father is saying he

was just a little surprised because he looks like a fairly strong able-bodied guy. time will tell how this lawsuit turns out. right now you be the judge, is taylor trying to hood wink someone with his injuries or not? go to greta wire.com and vote in our poll. congressman adam kensinger is here next. also, what happened when my colleague sean hannity called the obama care

>> tonight, there are new calls for h.h.s. secretary kathleen sebelius to resign. >> i'm calling on kathleen sebelius to resign her post as secretary of health and human services. >> there may come a point where in fact she will have to resign largely because she no longer has the credibility to do the job. >> absolutely she should resign why? because the program she has implemented obama care is a

disaster. >> are you one of the republicans who says she dud get canned? >> absolutely. it starts at the top. >> house republicans also demanding secretary sebelius testify about the botched obama carrollout and today there is news that secretary sebelius will go before congress. that's next wednesday. and congress adam kensinger is on the energy committee. when she appears before your committee are you going to ask her whether she is going to resign or not. >> there are questions that need answered that may be among them. what role do you play in this. you are the oversear of this whole program. your people told us for weeks when we have done hearings. is this ready to go? they told us yep, it's ready to go. one of two things either happened either they were dishonest to the committee and they had a whole lot of quote glitches which seem to be more than glitches or they just didn't know. if they just didn't know this thing was going to be rolled out then that's incompetence. we have a lot of questions that need to be answered and my good friend senator scott

site.he good point of is this is the easiest thing to do in this whole complicated government bureaucracy. >> all right. let's assume that the go -- she goes before congress, which she will. you grill her and ask her all these questions and three or four from now the web site is up and running and smooth and were not fatal flaws. everything is up fine, no harm, no foul on the web site at that point. could you do you then think that she should stay? >> you know, again, i think i'm going to look for what she says at the hearing. keep in mind, this isn't just a web site. this cost hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars to build something that isn't working. now they are having to pull out all the stops and bring in all these experts which they probably should have done at the very beginning and i wonder where she is. she is now agreeing to testify to us next week it will be interesting what she has to say. ultimately if this continues i don't think there is any doubt she needs to be replaced and move on. this is something that is not just a good news story. it's not just anything.

this is real taxpayer money that's being invested in a program they made huge promises about. >> here is my question i would like to have answered. in light of the fact that the rollout web site was such debacle, is what level of certainty or proof or evidence or security or competence should the american people have that the income verification aspect, which really goes to the heart of it in terms of money, because we need to make sure that the american taxpayers don't get cheated by people getting subsidies who should not and we need to make sure that those who really should have extra help that they get it i want to know like i assume that's a computer programmer not going to be doing that with pencils and note pads. so what's level of confidence that that one is not going to have the same sort of problem we have here? that's my question. >> well, i think that's a great question because keep in mind the administration, one of the very small concessions that we actually got out of this continuing resolution deal was the income verification piece. keep in mind, up until that

happened, the administration said, you know he what? we're just going to take your word for it for a year. so somebody can make $200,000 a year and you know what i make at a level i get subsidy and they just be taken at their word. we actually got that done. i don't have a whole lot of faith that the administration is going to follow through on enforcing that. >> getting it done you actually have to have an effective execution of it. not enough to stuck in some tipping resolution a lot of pork nobody asked by the american people. the execution has to be effective and productive it just can't be well we stuck it in a bill and it just didn't work. whatever. >> you see that 100 times. we pass bills out of congress and the administration takes them and in the execution of those bills, comes up with something totally different. you see overreach from the epa. and h.h. s r and all over from this administration. we have to be on top of this. >> congressmsir. >> it was good being here. thank you. >> coming up, a young white couple's car is surrounded a

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>> now get ready to speed read your way through the news. first to sparks, nevada, a middle school student who opened fire at the school today. a matt teacher was killed while heroically trying to protect children. two students also wounded. the gunman is dead. no word on the motive. now to washington where senator rand paul is taking on the establishment. he has introduced a constitutional amendment it would hold government officials to the same standard as the american people. the amendment states that congress shall make no law applicable to a citizen of the united states that is not equally applicable to

congress. now, that would also apply to the executive and judicial branches. he obviously doesn't like the congress exempted itself from obama care. now mystery of young blonde girl known as gypsy encamp many. the young man and woman claiming to her her parents are not really her parents. the couple are charged with kidnapping. international search is underway for maria's new parents. good news at the gas pump according to the latest lundburg survey gas prices are falling. the average price for a regular gallon of gas dropping 3 cents. that's tonight's speed read. and where is everybody and why is everyone talking about this one? a young white couple viciously assaulted in heir car allegedly by a group of african-american teenagers, it happened in brooklyn, income, the couple says the teens swarmed their cars then threw them to the ground slamming their heads against the pavement and brutally beating them. the teens shouting racial slurs throughout the attack.

two teens under arrest charged with gang assault. joining us legal panel in california. former prosecutor jim hammer and here in washington defense lawyer ted williams. i always hate to give you the first question on a story like this. it's like the elephant in the room so tell me your thoughts. >> well, you know, i think it's a tragedy that people cannot be more civilized towards people under the circumstances here. you have got a situation where you have got these young people that use racial epitaphs, they beat this guy up. it could very well be considered a race crime. greta, the one thing i believe is that individuals need to use common sense. in this case there was supposedly had v. have been a green light that this gentleman had. he blew his horn at these kids. they wound up shaking his car, beating his car up and gets out and he becomes very seriously injured. >> you are not suggesting that honking the horn is a legal provocation to get the living daylights beaten out of you and racial epitaphs

against white people, right? >> we have to use common sense. if i step on a young kid's foot, i apologize. >> if there is a crowd of kids standing in the way of my car while driving i might give the horn a little honk i might not anymore. >> let me give you advice. don't do it. >> jim, your thoughts on this. >> i have been a prosecutor most of my legal career. i'm still so horrified when i see a case like this. you put yourself inside that car and there is this group and frankly they are lucky they are alive. there is something that goes on when you get a crowd or gang or group there is a coward's courage that takes over. hidden in the group and they do unspeakable things. it's really wonder that these people are alive. i hope they throw the book at these guys even the juveniles and send them a message especially with the racial aspect that the government won't stand to this and you will be punished to the full extent of the law. >> neither one of you mention from the fact that we're not hearing from our political leaders. i bet there are a lot of people watching this when

trayvon martin tragically died is that a lot of people came out and there were protests and everything else and a lot of people said it was racially motivated although, you know, but, you know, we are not saying -- like there is a lot of silence tonight it's almost deafening. >> people should loudly condemn it. this is disgusting and unacceptable and everybody ought to unite around this. >> should the president say something? >> well, i don't know if the president of the united states. >> he did about trayvon. >> wait a minute. trayvon became a national issue in and of itself. this is not a national issue. and i don't even know if the president should have gotten involved in saying something about trayvon. you may want -- others say you should say something now. >> i think he made a mistake in getting involved in that one. >> i would agree. >> jim? >> racism cuts both ways. black on white violence, white violence and plain old violence. there is something especially troubling when it's race bait and hate crimes. people over deep seeded

ideologies and hate. when you couple it with violent action they are particularly dangerous. they are going to do it again and again and green light with others to get away with it. everybody ought to speak out loud. con condemn this loudly and put these guys behind bars have any would agree. two young men arrested in regards to this. one of them is a young college student who has never been in trouble. his thing was that he was in a department store at the time i'm hoping there are videos to actually show who did what. in this kind of a scenario, especially in brooklyn where you are talking where race is very sensitive or anything could go. i do hope that these thugs should be, no matter whether they're black, white, yellow or blue. they should be brought to justice. >> according to the reports though, this wasn't just, you know, one race and another race. this was one race making terrible slurs and beating the living daylights out -- it does appear, if you believe all the racial -- all the things that were said about this white couple, this was racially motivated.

>> i think it should be thoroughly investigated and i don't disagree with you. i think if if you show. >> that brings up. >> go ahead, jim. >> ted brings up what i think we have challenged for investigators and prosecutor, identifying if you are the victim of 10 people attacking you, greta, i have prosecuted cases like this. very difficult for victims to stay alive to identify them. and secondly cross racial i.d. i think everyone would agree are very, very tough. i hope there is a video like ted something or something else or one of these kids talk so they can nail them all. this can be a tough case for investigators and prosecutors to successfully identify everybody. >> gentlemen, thank you both. now to that murder mystery unfolding in utah. a doctor accused of drowning his beauty queen wife. michelle mac neil. prosecutors say mcneil killed his wife so he could be with his mistress gypsy. griff jenkins went to the neighborhood to investigate.

>> we are here in utah where dr. martin mcneil is accused of killing his wife in 2007 in the house behind me. we spoke to neighbors to get a sense from the community what the macneil wrps like. we learned he moved back here for a brief period in 2012. neighbor angie bradburn remembers well. >> it's a little unnerving to see him. i remember driving by, waving, just kind of seeing him. it's a little sketchy. a little different having him back here. but he wasn't here for long and we just all really kind of kept in our houses, i think, during that time that he was here. didn't come out much. he didn't come out much either. >> are you ready for this to be over. >> ready to move on and get our neighborhood back to normal. >> news on the irs targeting scandal just how high up did the targeting go? what's the

video from russia. a gas station attendant showing off moves break dancing on top of a car while he was pumping gas. finally take a look at this picture. producer angie made it on top of the mountain. congratulations, angie we are all insanely jealous.

great pick. the tea party expanding legal action against the irs. two tea party leaders are here next. plus, my colleague sean hannity calling the obama care hotline today. you won't believe what happened on the other end of the line. you will hear it straight

okay, let's go off the record for just a minute. what is up with some members of congress? are they trying to make us not admire them? if so, some are doing a great job of it if you ask me, american people are sick of some politicians legal but sneaky deals like legally skimming extra cash off their pac to cook up something for themselves. yes, technically, legally correct. but is it morally correct? morally right? in other words, does it stink? well, here is the latest. according to a cbs 60 mince

grace napolitano. she reportedly pocketed as much as $228,000 in just interest in 12 years. and she is not on one who is figuring out how to have personal fun with campaign cash. republican congressman saxby chambliss spent $100,000 entertaining world class golf sources and democratic congressman gregory meeks spent $35,000 on nfl games. and democratic congressman rob andrews spent $16,000 to fly his family to scotland for a friend's wedding reportedly because he was considering hiring the friend as a consultant. all following the rules? yes, of course, they are following the rules. but doesn't it seem a bit cheesy to you? does it make it feel like they don't care but and care about themselves? go to gretawire.com poll do they care about you or themselves? that's my off the record comment tonight. any comment you think i should take off the record go to gretawire.com and tell us about it. now to news in the irs targeting scandal.

the tea party says it has new evidence the targeting went even higher up in washington than earlier reported. and now the tea party expanding its lawsuit against the irs. joining us kevin, president and founder of linchpins and liberty. executive director of the linch pin tea party. let me go to you first. how high up do you have good evidence to prove or how high up does this scandal go and what's your evidence in support of it? >> well, hi, greta, thanks for having me back. i think it's pretty clear that the evidence leads all the way to the top. the president. >> what's the top? the president? >> the top with the president. >> okay. >> yeah. the president had a meeting with william wilkins his political appointee to the irs on april 23rd, 2012. just two days later, orders were issued to new guidelines were issued in this tea party cases. i think there -- it's clear though that this started as far as back as 2009, the president began intimidating those of us from being involved in the political debate by his suggestion that these organizations

were nefarious or that we had been getting foreign money and things of that nature. this ratcheted itself up through congress. congress began sending letters of demand to the irs. and before we know it, the irs is actively involved in viewpoint discrimination, pick 'ing us out, selecting us because of the names of our organizations and what we believed. >> larry, this april 23rd, 2012 meeting that kevin just spoke about, do you know what the house said that meeting with william wilkins was about? >> well, i don't think they are making any direct connection that, yes, it was about irs targeting or whatnot. >> i think kevin is because he talked about these guidelines. >> yeah. i think the smoking gun is that there was a meeting and the next day there was more evidence of targeting. we found out later. so, it's almost an indirect kind of inference. >> i think we call it circumstance. >> right. >> it would be sort of -- it would be helpful to know what the house said went on

at that meeting. >> it would be very helpful. i think that's what congressional investigations are all about. they want people under oath to tell the truth. and that's what needs to happen here. we need to know what happened in that meeting. >> kevin, the lawsuit that was filed some time ago in connection with the irs scandal has now been expanded. it was amended, i think filed last may, i think amended this summer and amended again now? >> yes. every time it's been amended is when we have learned more through the congressional investigation or otherwise through media we learn of more individuals who are involved in this case and i can't remember them all by name now because that link, it is becoming quite a lengthy list. we also learned that lois lerner herself had up to 1600 pages of emails including 30 pages of confidential taxpayers information in her private email account. i would like to know what she intended to do with that or what she did with that. >> of course, what i would like more is to have a chance to conduct -- see what happens at these depositions. what's your thought about still about this ongoing --

justice moves slowly. >> it does move slowly in a way. we want to are thorough. we don't want to rush it and blow the outcome basically. that doesn't just come from me. that comes from speaking with staffers and congressman on the house ways and means committee. really what we are doing here is we are smoking out the rats from a corrupt ship estate if you will. we need to find out who knew what, when they knew it how high it goes and what we're finding is there are more and more names like kevin was saying beginning to add added to this list. can i rattle off three right now former commissioner showman is new on the list. we have also got sarah ingram who i think is very significant in this case and willie wilkins that kevin was mentioning too. >> i have 10 seconds left when do depositions start where you put people under oath in this case. >> unfortunately that's a better question for jay sekulow. it's going to be after the first of the year before we

get a substantive answer from the irs. >> i think that will be the most interesting part is when people start answering and we find out who knew what, where and when to the extent of what went on or didn't go on. thank you goethe both gentlemen. >> thanks. coming up. sean hannity dialing up the obama care hotline. wait until you hear what time to hash it out.

justin bieber's wild night out on the town causing massive headache. justin bieber tweets picture of underage drinking. bieber was only drinking water but a picture shows the 19-year-old singer holding what appears to be a beer bottle. the texas alcoholic beverage

launched investigation into bieber's night out. if the singer was in fact drinking the bar's liquor license could be in jeopardy. and does a tv story line have anything to do with nypd officer's real life mistake? time tweeting cop who probably watches too much breaking bad confuses jolly ranchers for meth. the popular show is centered around meth making characters but the officer's drug bust turned out to be a dud. the officer arresting two suspects leaving a candy store thinking they were carrying meth. turns out they were actually red and blue jolly ranchers. if you have ever seen a halftime show like this. ohio state marching band moon walks during a michael jackson themed halftime show. the band was honoring jackson during halftime show game against iowa: the marching band moon walking in through m.j. across the field glove in hand and all that taksim progressive. entourage coming across the

screen. entourage moving happening in january says kevin conley. mark wahlberg previously said the project was on hold due to greedy actors demanding large salaries for the film. according to conley the issues have been' resolved and everyone is back on board. #greta all your tweets and posts. coming up the show down may be over the fight and name calling is not. you have to hear

>> today president obama said call the obama care call center, that's what our sean hannity did. sean got through to an operator. here is part of their conversation. >> they are really telling to you tell us to check back in on the web site in off hours. does that mean like i should go on at 3:00 in the morning? >> if it was saying early in the morning and late at night.

some people say they do that and they still can't get in. >> so people are reporting to you the real deal? >> yes, sir, they are. >> yeah. have you ever caught anybody that really likes it yet? >> no, not really. >> don't forget to watch sean tonight 10:00 p.m. eastern. he will interview dick cheney 10:00 p.m. hannity, don't forget that right now house democrats blasting some tea party lawmakers who he says shut down the government. democratic representative steve cohen making this comment while talking about the shutdown battle. >> we take an oath to support the country against all enemies foreign and domestic and these are the domestic enemies. >> dana loesch host of the dana show joins us. nice to see you, dana. domestic enemies. we have name-calling. >> yeah. thanks for having me back, greta. it's just unfortunate. i think that i can agree with representative cohen that we perhaps have a different means to get about to the same ends. but the name calling and the

incendiary rhetoric that ealways say that the tea party participates in. an arckists, terrorists, murderers, what else now? >> do you know and i will ask the viewers to write in if they know. do you have any instances in which tea party members in congress have said anything, equally insulting back? do you remember? >> not to memory if there has been i would be kind of surprised at some of them especially since they have been calling out folks on the left. i have heard it doesn't tea party, john mccain called us hobbits. that's not really the same thing. >> do you know what i think is -- everyone says they want to lead. nobody seems to sort of rise above it so many so willing to sink into the food fight. and it's so nonproductive if your kids did that you would haul them off to the bedroom or pull them off to the school yard or something if your kids were that lame. they do it i wonder if they

even notice it. >> i think the goal with politics should be especially from some a lot of these newly elected members should be to try to find common ground and build upon the common ground there are people i disagree with 99.9% of the time. that .01% there is common ground. we can work on that and build on that. that should ultimately be the focus an the goal. we are talking about winning hearts and minds but it's hard to do that when we have this stuff going back and forth. >> is it desspiritting to the tea party movement that there is so much vitriol towards the leaders of the tea party on capitol hill? >> i know a the love them and some of them look at it as though it is feathers in their cap so to speak. if they ever getting at you and you are taking flack that means you are right over the target. some of them look at and it they're like yeah, we are having some effect. we are at least making them mad. that's great. it fires up the base and you get people involved. and they pay attention. but, at the same time.

we need to go back to that common ground and work on building that. >> i guess that's the problem. because most tea party i assume would typically vote republican because now it sort of seems splintered within the republican party which is actually very effective for the democrats to have republicans to become two parties. >> the funny thing about the tea party is that back in 2010 people registered democrat decided to call themselves independents and said you know we really believe. it's all about limited government. tea party isn't really a republican thing. i have long thought the unattached conscience of it should be of both parties. anybody who wants limited government and fiscal responsibility, that's where they should be is in the grass roots movement. >> dana, always nice to see you. thank you for joining us. >> thanks, greta. >> and thank you for being with us. we will see you again tomorrow night. right here new time 7:00 p.m. eastern. you know where you need to go now you? need to go to gretawire.com. because we have open threads if we are talking about all the issues we are debating.

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