>> i feel like we just saw her. >> we did. >> joe, you're always going to be part of the birth of this baby. >> here i am. thank you very much. glad to be here. >> he'll be singing in the after the show show. tomorrow, dr. charles krauthammer. we'll see you then. bill: newsily done much. con sprattlations jenn, you look terrific. fox news alert. obamacare rollout site, exactly three weeks since the launch. how is it going today for you, america? good morning, everybody, i'm bill hemmer. welcome to "america's newsroom." >> i'm heather childers in for martha maccallum. i'm doing great. the obama administration on the other hand, saying that he is still happy with his legislation, signature legislation but the rollout, a different story. >> the problem has been that the website that is supposed to make it easy to apply for and purchase the insurance is not working the way it should for everybody. and there is no sugarcoating it.

the website has been too slow, people have been getting stuck during the application process and i think it is fair to say that nobody is more frustrated by that than i am. bill: critics are saying the president sounded more like a salesman than a president. >> even as we redouble our efforts to get the site working as well as it is supposed to, we're also redoubling our efforts to make sure you can still buy the same quality, affordable insurance plans, available in the marketplace, the old-fashioned way, off-line. i either over the phone or in person. >> meanwhile top republican leaders, they say that tech experts are not going to be able to fix the real problems with obamacare. >> the trip to the website is sort of like a trip to the department of motor vehicles in your state. look, the people who designed this website shouldn't be in charge of our health care. the government is going to botch this. they have had four years to get

ready. it is clear to me that this isn't going to work. it is not fixable. >> meanwhile new reports that the problems are massi. millions of lines of code have to be rewritten and the white house may have known all about it but launched site anyway. jonah goldberg, editor-at-large, nationalreview.online. fox news contributor. how are you, sir? good morning to you. >> good to be here. bill: feeling of mission accomplished. what do you mean? >> has feeling of speaking in sort of other worldly way about what is really going on. i mean the infomercial criticisms think is right. at one point it sounded like he was going to say, not only that, it is a floor wax too! if you call in the next 10 minutes you get this free set of knives. and the only thing that he seemed to say in terms, this was billed as him confronting the problems with the website and yet the reality was that all he said was that it is plagued by too much demand and too much traffic. that is simply not the main bill: here we go.

problem with the website. 9:31 in new york. it is not main problem with fox news alert. new jobs numbers out, 60 minutes obamacare. pew came out with a poll that ago. unemployment dropped to 7.2% for said something like half the visitors with the website are the month of september but the there simply out of curiosity. hiring was slow. 70% already have insurance. 148,000 jobs added. they expected 180,000 jobs. of the so the idea that somehow this is being rushed by millions we did not get close to that. of americans, particularly young, healthy americans who numbers were delayed about two want this product just isn't weeks because of the government true. yet he was going on blythely shutdown so that's why you're talking as if everything was getting them today on tuesday great and only problems with morning. dow is reacting up 41 points obamacare that it was just so because investors know the fed popular. bill: a few more observations will keep on printing money so here. most of the people in the crowd long as the economy is weak. behind him had not enrolled yet. i think number was three. up 45 points. heather: speaking of that, with others are small business owners, et cetera. the phone number he came out, our national debt at 17 trillion some report it did not work. and counting there are new others have said they got questions over why we continue through but when they talked to to spend tens of billions of operator they were referred back to the website itself. dollars per year helping out countries that don't really like now, did you believe this was a president who came out to us very much? confront the issues or not? one the countries in the >> i think this is a president critic's cross-hairs, pakistan, who, first of all was caught about to receive another fairly blindsided by the props with this website. $1.6 billion from washington. this, the same country where ith is a president who often usama bin laden hid in plain

thinks that he has done his part as a president when he gives a sight for years. we still don't know how much speech and that the actual pakistan's leaders knew about nitty-gritty of management and that but john bolton, he is a oversight is something that he shops out to other people. former u.s. ambassador to the once he is giving the speech, he u.n. and a fox news contributor and he is here to give us his gets to walk away, shoot some golf, whatever. opinion. so what do you think? but making sure that the project should we be giving 1.6 billion to a country that possibly hid is finished is not his job. bin laden? he was sort of blindsided by also we know imprison ad doctor this. i think he was very defensive alleged to have helped the cia and understandably some this is his signature of his entire track down bin laden? should they be getting this administration. that is why it seems so other amount of aid? >> well, there are few worldly and seems like if this was almost a pep rally rather recipients of foreign aid that attract more opposition in than an actual coming to grips with reality. congress than pakistan and bill: others suggest it was a there's a lot of good reason for spin job. you can characterize it any way it and there are probably reasons to question this or that you want. here is the bigger issue, jonah. or the other aspect of this he can come out and talk about particular package which is this again, unless it actually freeing up previously-committed is working otherwise goes to the aid that we had suspended but credibility you have when you you know, when you look at that speak. cost, you also have to weigh the when you when you think about other costs. if we didn't support this that, that? >> i think that is exactly government in pakistan which is right. far from perfect, and that risk he literally told millions of

people to call the operators and is that the government would they will help you out. fall to pakistani taliban or when the people call the other radicals, and the operators, if they can get through and don't hit a busy country's very large arsenal of signal the operators tell them, try logging on to the website. nuclear weapons would fall into the hands of terrorists. you tell people to do that kind of thing, some times, maybe only ask yourself what would the cost once before people don't listen be if the taliban got a nuclear to you anymore. weapon it could deploy in the bill: jonah goldberg, thanks. united states or europe? it's a very difficult situation watching and listening. but there are times when you >> always good to be here, man. have to grit your teeth because >> the success of obamacare, of larger u.s. interests even according to the white house, depends how many involved. heather: you know that is partly people enroll, a number that what the obama administration still remains a mystery. said in defense of this aid. according to the white house, 19 million unique visitors have they're saying they'ren couraged that the bilateral relationship visited healthcare.gov but less has improved, the security than half a million have assistance will continue to build the counterinsurgency and actually started the process of signing up. what we don't know is how many counterterrorism capabilities of people actually completed the pakistan's security forces especially along that western enrollment process and that number is crucial. according to the feds, in order border region fighting al qaeda to pay for the law, seven and its affiliated groups as you mentioned but just today india million people need to enroll in and russia, they're calling out just the first six months. pakistan saying that they need bill: meanwhile health and human to shut down jihad factories services secretary kathleen sebelius now agreeing to testify operating out of pakistan and

stop aiding and abetting before congress on the rollout of obamacare. terrorism. so how do we know where the aid she agrees to appear before the house energy and commerce actually goes? committee as early as next week. >> well, it depend on the others suggest it might be that specifics of the aid. the 30th of october, which some of it, military aid, goes places it next wednesday. to purchase u.s. weapons from the committee wanted to hear from her on thursday but she had u.s. manufacturers. a gala to attend in boston this some of it is for military education in the united states. some of it is economic week. the committee wants to know whether the administration was aware of problems with the assistance. and as i say, you could probably website before the launch but get below that $1.6 billion went ahead with the launch anyway. we caught up with the secretary figure and find a lot to this morning outside of her home complain about and there is also in washington, d.c. >> good morning, madam no doubt that the pakistani secretary. government itself is divide and r are you taking responsibility for the website failure? do you think people should have and does support jihadis against a pay a fee for a website that the indian control of kashmir and really in support of both doesn't work? >> well, republican lawmakers pakistani and afghan taliban. meantime no answers there, are but it's, it is looking at the seizing on glitches and delays, saying waste has caused bigger picture which is not even the war on terrorism. taxpayers millions anday that sebelius is to blame and it's pakistan's arsenal of nuclear weapons. should resign. maybe between 60 and 200. >> this isn't just a website. that could really ruin your day this cost hundreds of millions if they got into the wrong hand. of taxpayers dollars to build heather: all right. something that isn't working. so it is not just pakistan now they're having to pull out

getting large amounts of aid all the stops and bring all from the u.s. pakistan, the these experts in which they fourth largest recipient probably should have done at the trailing behind israel, very beginning. i wonder where she is? she is now agreeing to testify afghanistan, egypt. 2012 we spent 21 billion on to us next week. it will be interesting what she non-military foreign assistance. has to say. house republicans proposed ultimately if this continues, i don't think there is any doubt nearly $6 billion in cuts to she needs to be replaced and federal aid or foreign aid this move on. >> once we gives testimony we'll fiscal 2014 budget. is that the right thing to do know more what role she made it when we have uncontrollable making these decisions. debt? do we need to cut this foreign her resignation could aid? >> well i think there is a lot potentially be be a option as we of you can cut and what i would learn more who made the horrible do is essentially cut off decision which led to the horrible outcome. multilateral foreign assistance bill: this is senator rubio. through the international development banks. i think foreign aid, military should kathleen sebelius testify? should kathleen sebelius step and economic, can serve american down? let us know what you think on interests when we deliver it bilateral i, when we control twitter @billhemmer. lines are open. where it goes. that is what i would focus on. those hearings will be hot when they happen. >> they are definitely. there's a lot to reform there. bill: i hope they take place at i think it is our contributions 9:30 in the morning because to multilateral banks and we'll be watching that. agencies including in the u.n. expect possibly next wednesday system where you could cut back midweek is what we're hearing. if that changes we'll let you very substantially. know. >> we'll see what happens and what you have to say about it. heather: i want to get this question for you because this

meantime this story in nevada. put it into perspective for me. nevada community now mourning according to after a student opened fire at his school, killing a beloved foreignassistance.gov, 32 pour teacher and hurting two others. rin country received more direct math teacher, michael aid from the u.s. government than the city of detroit. landsberry, a marine veteran to take one city specifically. being held as a hero. they of course filed for police say he confronted the bankruptcy on july 18th. shooter, sacrificing his own that is not to say some of these life but probably saving many other countries don't need the foreign assistance but why spend others. >> didn't believe it at first, you know. i was too cool to be shot. so much money overseas an not start investing more in our but, i got home, i heard the cities here and in our jobs here news and, it really hit me hard. at home? >> well, i wouldn't spend >> he was honestly like a second dad to me when i went there. essentially any federal money rescuing detroit or a lot of he cared so much about the other cities that have spent themselves into bankruptcy. students. i think there's a lot that you he said, i would, i told you could withold there. guys i would do anything for you the question of foreign aid is guys and i guess, that meant calculation of american national interests. takeing a bullet. and i think we should be rigorous in making that and he did. calculation. but we also shouldn't kid ourselves. we've got interests around the >> will carr live with more from world that need protecting. a lot of that money is spent on the los angeles newsroom. will, what can you tell us about purchases from american this heroic teacher? manufacturers that are advancing our interests.

>> reporter: well good morning, i think congress is entirely heather. i can tell you the latest is right to take a very close look friends and family say that it cops as no surprise that people at all this but it would be a are calling landsberry a hear mistake to think you can just eliminate it and not have an adverse effect on america's row. dozens of people came together last night for a vigil to position in the world. heather: okay. remember the 8th grade math all right. ambassador bolton, thank you so teacher. he was also a soccer coach. much for joining us. we appreciate it. police say landsberry, who was >> thank you, heather. bill: another harsh review for 45 years old, served in the obamacare. the folks at "consumer reports" marines, also a member of the nevada national guard, saying he telling people to save themselves the trouble and stay tried to talk the shooter down. away from healthcare.gov. seconds later he was shot and we'll tell you the effect that is having. killed hyped sparks middle school. heather: when did running up the landsberry leaves behind a wife, two stepdaughters. score become bullying? the lopsided score triggering a the governor ordered flags at half-staff this week. lot of debate. school has been canceled for >> that is a cremation is what rest of the week, heather. >> what about the shoot itself that is. and the shooter what, do do we >> i wish at some point they could say, okay, game over. know? why even finish it. >> reporter: at this point there is still a lot of unknowns when it comes to the shooter. what we know this happened around 7:15 yesterday, 15 minutes before school was supposed to start. shots rang out. we're told the shooter is a middle school student. he shot and killed landsberry. he also shot two other students.

one in the shoulder, one in the stomach. both are in stable condition this morning. >> what i saw is a kid pulling out a gun and shooting one of the 7th great students as well. >> little kid took the gun out of the backpack and threatening to kill the teacher. at that point my heart was racing. >> then he shot a teacher the teacher fell straight to the ground. >> when the teacher tried to pull it away he pulled the trigger and the teacher was dead >> reporter: very vivid details from some of the kids who witnessed their teacher and friends getting gunned down. at this point police are not releasing the shooter's name. they say the motive is unclear. we're not sure if he cast targeting any victims or shootings randomly. what we're confirmed the shooter took his own life. he killed himself. for the gun, heather, they believe he got that from home but they also say that is still under investigation. >> will carr reporting live for us. thank you, will. bill: we will remember that man very well. they were lucky to have him in the classroom today.

video gone viral by two boy scout leaders doing a dumb move, tumbling rocks that stood for years. boy scouts take action as they face possible criminal charges. >> have you seen this? a vicious stadium attack, a jets fan punching a patriots fan, a woman, in the face. the things we're learning about the puncher's violent past. bill: the president said website would make health care buying easy but the detail in a scathing new report. we'll tell you what it says. >> who misled the president on this? you're telling me five days before somebody lit the president go out to the american public to give this speech and say this, and make this promise, in fact the next line is, i promise you this is a lot easier. it is like booking a hotel or a plane ticket. who let him down?

heather: drivers may be geting a early christmas present. falling gas prices. experts say prices could keep falling through the holiday season. is it possible? to a nationwide average of 3:15

per gallon. that is 20 cents cheaper than right now. in fact aaa said sub-3-dollar gas is popping up in two dozen states, easing tensions in the middle east and a glut of crude oil supplies, being credited for the drop in prices. >> i think the number one point about the rollout is that there's huge interest. 19 million individual visits to the website. that's huge. >> yeah, that is huge. you have angered a lot of people. >> number one worry before we started was, are people going to be be interested? will people sign up? and the answer to that is overwhelmingly, yes. >> yeah, but their number one worry was, will i be able to get health insurance out of this thing and the answer to that appears to be 90% -- [laughter]

bill: funny clip. not funny for folks trying to get insurance though. not just people like stewart though. ordinary americans losing patience with the website. so is "consumer reports." popular tester of products saying quote, if all is too much to absorb. follow our previous advice, stay away from healthcare.gov for another month if you can. hopefully that will be longhe ss to clean up the mess they made. matt mccall, penn financial group. gerri willis, host of "the willis report" on fox business network. good morning to both of you. >> good morning. bill: "consumer reports" came out and said they still believe it is best place to buy coverage on your own through the health insurance marketplace in your state and didn't want the statement to suggest a they were not a supporter for healthcare.gov. >> that makes sense for "consumer reports." they're doing the only responsible thing and saying wait. this civil, this website is a heather: an update for you now on a story that was breaking in nightmare. "washington post" reporting this this hour just yesterday. morning that the system first

police in las vegas saying than failed after just 2,000 people an ex-con with a history of tried to log on. look the mistakes, they're not run-ins at vegas clubs was behind a shooting killing a just glitches. they are big-time errors. they're signing up spouses as club-goer. also wounded, two employees at a children and insurers are saying bally's casino nightclub. we're not getting the information we need. police saying that this all bill: chuck schumer said started because the shooter was 19 million though? apparently upset over the cover >> 19 million. and how many of those -- charge, and they're calling the bill: wait, wait the post is victim who died a hero for reporting 2,000? jumping on to the shooter after >> that the system failed after the club workers were shot. just 2,000 people tried to log and they say that he may have on. they had multiple millions of prevented even more bloodshed. the suspect, remains people signing up but you got to hospitalized for his injuries. wonder, how many of these people were just shopping as you do on any website, seeing what was on there, going online, trying to test drive it? >> with the fact that the law that doesn't mean, if you visit a website, come on, bill, you do promises to insure millions of americans. how is it unexpected that this every single day. millions of people would try to if you visit a website, doesn't find out? >> what i said is that there is mean you're serious about no question that the volume has buying. bill: matt. >> i went there several times. caused some of the problems but this to me is bigger problem also exposed some of the down the road. it is true customers will sit problems. >> the problems with the website back and maybe not log on wait persist and are not immediately for this to get fixed. resolved is he open to delaying keep in mind they need to be the penalty for not signing up signed up by march. if not you will get a penalty. for insurance?

>> what i can tell you, briana, they will have influx end of the we are, as i said earlier two, year, next year coming in for three weeks rather into a deadline. americans sit back and wait for six-month enrollment period. the last minute. >> are you telling me five days to me this will not be fixed by before that somebody let the early next year and another president go out to the american influx and crash again. public to give this speech and bill: long-term you're talking say this, and make this promise, about? >> long-term. as a consumer tried several in fact the next line is, i times i give up. promise you, this is a lot i may not go back. easier. it is like booking a hotel or a i may pay the penalty. i'm done. plane ticket. i may not go back to the who let him down? website. >> the penalty is more than you >> look the president's frustrated. might think. he made that clear in his everybody talks about $95 in the remarks today. bill: just kept going on and on first year, $95 or 1% of your yesterday. the reporters grilling jay income. carney, exactly three weeks since the launch. making $75,000. you're paying 750-dollar fine. did the white house provide answer s? robert beckel, former democratic bill: only way to government campaign manager, co-host of gets money if you get a tax "the five"? how are you, bobby g. refund, right? >> that's true. that's true. >> fine, billy hemmer. the irs is policing this thing bill: got you, buddy. this is your favorite topic. to me is even scarier. >> like being a fire hydrant at the irs has very long arms and they can come after you in westminster dog show. bill: indeed, perhaps for now. multiple ways. we are just not clear yes how who misled him, who misled the the irs will come after people. president on this? do you have an answer on that? bill: matt is talking about the >> i think i have some idea. long term too. you believe the website i had, you know the other day on obviously should be the easy part. >> the website should be the "the five" i called for delay of easy part.

now we have to implement it. implementation for six months to now we have to deliver care. a year. now we have to get people signed i got a call from somebody at the white house who absolutely into programs. those things are much harder to do than just setting up a bludgeoned me over it. i said look, you can't do this, website. the kind of website that got set yes it is true, it is not a up for obamacare, they get set website, i understand that, but up every single day. it is a portal to get through to it happens all the time in this country. get insurance. that should be the easy part. here's my real problem wit. >> you're right. and that is, most people who the website is easy then moving want to get insured never have on. i got a letter in the mail. been insured before. i had no idea that my insurance their first experience is to not will be changing. get insured and have all kinds they will change carriers of prompts they may not come potentially and listen bronze back. bill: so the white house called and platinum. you and pushed back? i have no idea what i will pay >> one guy called me. bill: that means they're, you for insurance last couple months. bill: are you enrolled? know, the possibility of a delay >> i'm confused. i was confused. is not considered that strongly. said we will follow up with you that is what i take from your to let you know what will answer there? >> yeah, i don't, i can't change, what the price change will be. believe that they will not, i >> everybody is playing this as mean, makes such logical political story. this is consumer story that hits political sense to delay it a every single american people, year. people on medicare are worried get, let me -- bill: i'm not sure about that. i'm not sure, bob. it will hurt medicare coverage. have you looked at ramification young people are worried what of a one-year delay? they have to pay for coverage you know what happens? the cbo says 11 million because prices we're hearing are very high.

additional americans will be bill: you are getting calls. >> we were inundated with calls. uninsured. mit says an additional people are deeply worried about 26 million americans will be this. uninsured. in addition to that, premiums will it affect my care? do i have to enroll if i already are already creeping up for people will to even higher. have coverage? i don't know if it's a great some of the simplest things have not been communicated by this idea politically to delay administration. another year. >> listen, i listen to the mit people don't understand what is going on and they're worried and argument. concerned. >> you can't get this on the i'm not buying into it. premium increases? we've been website. it should be there for you. bill: some could be worked out having premium increases every in time but your points about year since 1950 from the the long term really should be insurance companies? what is the big deal here? taken to heart here. these guys have been gouging the you could fix a website in a american people. the idea get enough people in so month or even six months from we have big enough demand so now but the long term issues whether the program is better they have to lower their prices. for you as an american is that will take some time. something to tackle. you follow technology every day. bill: it will not be a big idea where are the best and brightest unless the president says it's a we were told about yesterday coming in to fix it? who are they, from what companies, do we know? >> one company they used, website and get the price and like wow, i didn't expect it to be this high. quality systems they implement software for health care president said this is easy as services. they were one of them. booking into a hotel. another local d.c.-based company which hotel? bates hotel? >> i booked into youth hostels as well, publicly-traded. for a long time. well-known in the industry. the fact is, they got beat on they spent upwards $400 million.

the message game early. now obama brings in big guns. in 2010. where are the big guns from the they let it go after they won. beginning? bill: who are the big guns? they should have stayed on >> quality systems and cerner message and gotten out there are software health care earlier instead of picking it up companies. one of them was brought in. now. and somebody should have gotten they should be the big guns to the computer right. i mean, that is obvious. accomplish this. >> people who developed google, so if you're going to have that people who developed amazon. it is not that hard. problem, six months delay, i they're all in the silicon don't buy the notion everybody valley. we ended up hiring somebody from will lose their insurance. rates are going to go up anyway. canada to run the site. bill: i don't see the people on better to get it right than not the list by the way. have it at all. i have not even names. bill: is there a bigger issue gerri, thank you. though? the theme of big government not 6:00 tonight? doing big things well, at all? >> that's right. we're covering all over again >> well, i mean you want to say absolutely. bill: we'll talk to you again that about the military? real soon. heather, what is next? you want to say that -- heather: prostate cancer, it is bill: absolutely not. build a bridge, build a road, not just a disease that should concern older men. fight the war. why doctors are saying it could >> okay. how about the. strike younger mensch more bill: build a website, not so aggressively. we'll talk about it. easy. go figure. >> that may be a little bit of a bill: proof persistence can pay problem but listen there, are a lot of things in government that off. one girl's future shining bright work well. like a diamond. the idea people using this as ♪ excuse, let's have small bought, [ woman #1 ] why do i cook? mostly republicans, let's do away with this and that. during that shutdown there were

hundreds of thousands of people who didn't get meals on wheels. bill: stay on topic here. because an empty pan is a blank canvas. stay on obamacare. kathleen sebelius, she will [ woman #2 ] to share a moment. testify, this could get very [ woman #3 ] to travel the world without leaving home. nasty. >> yes, it should. bill: should she take the fall for this. [ male announcer ] whatever the reason. whatever the dish. >> i think somebody needs to make it delicious with swanson. take the fall. i'm not sure it should be her [ male announcer ] whatever the reason. whatever the dish. but somebody -- we have to find out exactly who contracted out this website work. wout of landfills each year? plastic waste to cover mt. rainier now they have the surge of by using one less trash bag each month, we can. technology people coming in. i turn it over to apple. >> so they say. and glad forceflex bags stretch until they're full.* who is coming in? that was the headline from so you can take them out less often. yesterday. who, i don't have a name, do you? i don't have a company, do you? >> telling me or you, i can tell you that. so i assume, these companies -- bill: you assume? listen we're waiting for facts on this. i got to hop. see you at 5:00. >> all right. >> see you at the bates motel. >> exactly right. >> robert g. see you soon. heather? heather: this is not hough you celebrate your team's win. new details on the jets fan who

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north carolina. bill: find anything? heather: no, never. bill: time to go to arkansas. heather: exactly. prostate cancer generally thought of to be a disease that older men have to worry about but some doctors now say younger men should also worry. if you remember, best-selling author, vince flynn, he died back in june after loseing a two-year battle with the disease. he was only 47. that is an age before many people even get tested. garrett tenney is live for us at the mayo clinic in rochester, bill: more fallout for two boy minnesota, with more. scout leaders who videotaped garrett? themselves toppling a an ancient >> reporter: yeah, heather. for years men have been told not to worry about being tested for boulder in utah park. prostate cancer until they turn boy scouts of america, the two 50. but if you have cancer history men seen here. in your family, if you notice >> a little bit. whoa. >> not cool. any of the symptoms in yourself and women, if you notice them in your husband or son, doctors are >> [laughter] saying to get tested now before yeah! it's too late. we have now modified goblin >> totally unexpected. young. >> reporter: tim taylor was only valley. bill: they say they are actions 49 years old when his doctor not in line withthe boy scouts. told him he had prostate canser.

and at that point it was actually very aggressive cancer. they claim they did it to protect hikers. >> reporter: he was told he now they say they are receiving might have five years to live. death threats. >> nothing but good. >> reporter: that was back in 2008. while tim is greatful to be alive, he says it is just a matter of time before it takes his life. >> there is a dull haze there in heather: celebration for football fans turns violent. the bone. >> reporter: cases in younger men like tim are all too common for dr. eugene kwan at [shouting] heather: you see that there? mayo clinic. >> prostate cancer is a her blond hair goes flying. this new york jets fan seen life-threatening disorder and punching a woman in the face. many regards, irrespective of she is in new england patriots age. >> reporter: he says most men under 50 don't think they're at jersey. risk of having prostate cancer the brawl broke out after the jets overtime win over the pats but when it strikes younger men on sunday. it is typically much more we're learning the alleged aggressive and deadly. attacker is a convicted killer. >> often times there are no laura ending gell is live for symptoms and they just have to be in tune with their body, us. we hear the man's mother is speaking out. talking about the fight and his especially to subtle things like past as well. changeses in urination. >> reporter: right, because they were there at the game together. colleen paschke, who is speaking >> reporter: why tim taylor is not taking any chances with his with local reporters about this son. >> anything that will happen to fistfight gone viral says she you until it does. by then it might be too late. and her son kurt had been so early is definitely better antagonized in their seats by

aggressive patriots fans all day than later. >> reporter: some of the other long n a cell phone video taken symptoms the doctor kwan says by a fan the brawl escalates family needs to be on lookout between jets and patriots fans. for, pain in the lower back, in the hips, in the groin and back this sweat fan identified as kurt paschke is seen punching a side. he says that often times it can feel like you're sitting on a woman wearing a patriots jersey. golf ball. so again if you notice any of the 38-year-old man served three these symptoms he is encouraging years in state prison in the people to go and get checked '90s after he was convicted of out. heather? heather: good advice. fatally stabing a 17-year-old garrett tenney, live for us, during a fight at pizza parlor. thank you. bill: always good ad rice vice paschke's mom says her son has a right? can you penalize a person for past was trying to defend the not getting health care when the website is not working? two of them at last sunday's new questions whether the game. >> very mild-mannered. white house will be forced to he does have a past when he was delay the biggest part of the new law. 17 years old. he knows when there is an heather? heather: no mercy rule lear. altercation that you move on. a high school football team gets you don't put yourself in that blown out 91-0, zip, zilch. position. and, he was concerned for me and for himself also that just to too much? why parents are saying that the keep going and just not make coaches are big bullies. something out of this. bill: really? but they thought otherwise. heather: yep. they were the aggressors. bill: 91-0? heather: they're bullies, bill. bill: only in texas. >> reporter: colleen paschke doesn't believe her son realize he was directly hitting a woman l we do is . because there were men involved in the quick-moving fight. that's it?

heather: disregarded the long i mean, he picks up the tab every time, which is great...what? blond hair. possible charges, is that a he's using you. he probably has a citi thankyou card and gets 2x the points at restaurants. possibility? >> reporter: that is what we've been hearing. i spoke with police about that so he's just racking up points with me. the new jersey state police is the agency that serves as law some people... enforcement at metlife stadium. ugh! no, i've got it. a police sergeant tells me as of right now this is an active investigation and that detectives are still working the case. the citi thankyou preferred card. so we didn't get a clear answer now earn 2x the points on dining out and entertainment, on that but when asked if we can expect any charges today, he with no annual fee.to apply, go to citi.com/thankyoucards told me they don't put time frames on investigations and they will announce only when the investigation is complete. heather. heather: laura engel, a lot of people seeing that video. thank you. bill: sure have. i guess it happened at end. game. you know what happens right? everybody is stumbling out because they have had three or four hours -- heather: too much to drink. bill: of the suds. our national debt more than 17 trillion, climbing by the second. why are we spending more than $2 billion or close to $2 billion on pakistan a country that might have knowingly hid usama bin laden? former u.n. ambassador john bolton tackles that in a few minutes.

heather: they scramble to fix the obamacare website. "consumer reports" is stepping in with some sobering advice. what they are saying up next.

heather: new questions today about one of the key elements of obamacare, the individual mandate. after a major fight, will the white house be forced to delay it anyway? welcome to brand new hour of "america's newsroom," i'm heather childers in for martha maccallum. bill: nice to see you, heather. martha has time off with the family. good morning. continued issues with the website. the white house may not have much of a choice because as was pointed out yesterday, how can you fine people for not signing up if they can not sign up in the first place? >> you can't really charge people a fine for not getting health insurance if you don't fix this mess and website doesn't work, can you? >> i appreciate what you're saying and i have answered now and again -- >> what have you answered? if the website is not fixed will people still have to pay the fine? >> first of all we're way, still early in the process. so, you're talking about a february 15th and a march 31st deadline.

heather: chief white house correspondent ed henry will be at today's briefing and he joins us live from the white house. seems the president is trying to sell the law but not so much the delivery. >> reporter: that's right. he is making clear that he thinks this is still a great product in the long run and it is going to bring along millions of people who don't have insurance right now but he did candidly say yesterday, the president, that mistakes have been made and they will have to be fixed. they have sort of redesigned the website but are there much bigger problems than a freshening up will fix it? look, jay carney also in the briefing maintained the problem is really about high demand and that they have been overwhelmed with how many people are checking out the website. the problem with that though is "the washington post" reporting this morning that there was a test done shortly before all this began and after just a few hundred people tried to log on, the system went down. and since the president is out here saying that they're going to get millions of people signed up eventually, you have to wonder why their tests were not

testing for far more than a few hundred people to get this right. the president yesterday in the rose garden acknowledging it is just not ready. >> there is no sugarcoating it. the website has been too slow. people have been getting stuck during the application process. and i think it is fair to say that nobody's more frustrated by that than i am, precisely because the product is good. >> reporter: now you will remember the president's former white house press secretary robert gibbs suggesting that people should be fired over the botched rollout. no indication they will fire anyone over though it is clear when you listen to the president's comments there, he thinks rather than firing people the focus should be on one, fixing it, and number two, in the long run after these problems are fixed, the president and his staff are still convinced that the american people will buy into this. we'll see. heather: we will see. that is true. what are republican pubs saying about it? >> what republicans like mitch mcconnell are saying at the

beginning of this debate a few years ago they were pointing out it would be problematic for the federal government to take over one fifth of our economy. democrats pushed back on it. the president pushed back on it at the time yet yesterday in the rose garden the president suggested it is not just about the government, he is bringing in the best and brightest from the the private sector, outside business coming in to help government. that is why senator mitch mcconnell, the republican leader in the senate is suggesting this is a sign of much bigger problems. take a listen. >> it is really a catastrophe for the country and you know i don't think any amount of apologizing on the part of the president is going to fix the core problem here that it can not and will not work. >> reporter: that is the question, given these early problems, even if they fix the website and technical issues, will there be other issues that the federal government take as bigger role in health care? yesterday jay carney referred a lot of questions to the health and human services department. so far secretary kathleen sebelius is suggesting she is not testifying this week at a

house hearing where they're demanding answers though she suggested she will testify next week. heather: possibly wednesday. ed henry at the white house, thank you. bill: could the white house delay after a month saying it ain't going to happen? bret baier the anchor of "special report" here on fox news channel. how are you, sir? we were talking about this last night. you seem to think, i don't know if it's a good possibility but how would you characterize the possibility that a delay for the individual mandate could happen, even now? >> i've been thinking about this a lot since the panelas night, and, bill, i would argue it already has been delayed. jay carney was asked five or six times about delaying the penalty for people who can not sign up to the, to, for health care insurance through the website because the website is not functioning. every time he answered this way, whatever you conclusions you draw about the way the law is written i think you can draw the law is clear, if you do not have access to affordable health insurance, you will not be asked

to pay a penalty because you haven't purchased affordable health insurance. he said the same line six times. six different times. now is the administration then saying, because this website failure is going to, it keeps going and perhaps it's not going to get up right away, is their answer, in the law essentially says, if you can't get it, we can't penalize you? that's a delay. bill: interesting observation. what does that mean then in practical application to the law or to health care? >> well it means that you're not growing to be able to put the onus onioning people to sign up right away. listen, the penalty was not that great anyway. i think it was 95 bucks in the first go round. it increases over time, getting the penalty anyway was kind of, a lot of people thought people would pay the penalty. if you don't have to have the

penalty, if it is not hanging over anybody, then the impetus to get these young people to sign up in tech problem websites is not going to be that great. bill: incentive evaporates. i saw research that suggested if you delay the mandate as you are just describing here, you could get anywhere from 11 to 26 million more americans without insurance in 2014. and in addition you would see the premiums go up even higher than what we've seen already. is that what you have found? >> yeah. i mean, listen to some of the reports that jim angle brings forward, and he has been doing great work getting down into the weeds of the numbers and the substance of this really hinges on the amount of people signing up. the administration wants seven million people signed up and enrolled in these health insurance exchanges by march. if they don't have that and a percentage of that being young, healthy people, then there's a real problem in making all the numbers work. if you look at the deductibles that people have to pay, if you

look at the premiums across the board without the subsidies, it starts to add up especially if the bottom end doesn't sign up. bill: if the way you describe it, if that comes to pass, you wonder what this law is anyway? it frankly doesn't look anything like what they passed three years ago. what is obamacare? what does it look like, what does it do? >> bill, there are many democrats who say, while they support the president they are frustrated with this law overall. i mean they would like to see it go much further. they would like to see single-payer. even if the law is chugging on all cylinders and everything works perfectly, 30 million americans will not be covered. so, there are big questions about the effectiveness of the law overall and how much it costs. bill: we'll see what they explain today. see you tonight at 6:00, all right? thank you, bret baier, host of "special report." what do you think at home? will the white house delay the mandate? send me a tweet @billhemmer. you can log on right now.

this tech surge apparently we heard about yesterday, still looking for details. i don't know who is involved, if anyone at the moment. heather: somebody hopefully can get it working a little better than it is now. we'll see. former vice president dick cheney weighing in on the health carry law as well and the state of politics, sitting down with sean hannity, mr. cheney shared his thoughts on who he calls, the true extremists in washington. >> when i see people talking about the tea party, i don't think the tea party as extremists way some of the folks in washington would describe it. the extremist in washington is barack obama. he is the guy that wants to fundamentally transform our health care system. he is the guy who has done enormous damage to america's standing in the world. to the extent there is extremist or radical political view in washington these days i believe it is the president of the united states. heather: chaney's new book about his struggles with heart disease, that hits store shelves today. bill: chilling new details now

emerging about the woman known as the "white widow", the british terror suspect wanted after last month's mall massacre in nairobi, kenya. greg palkot, live in london. what more are we learn about the women and where she might be. >> reporter: there are interesting leads about the british woman sought aggressively by authorities over the nairobi mall massacre last month. her name is samantha lieutenant wait. authorities came up with a laptop she used in the past, she was surfing various websites with do it yourself instructions how to use instructions. might be added she was looking at fashion and diet websites. also there is no hard evidence yet linking her to the maul attack it has now been revealed she lived in nairobi for a time and her apartment overlooked another western-style mall, a mall thought to also be a terror target. finally, while she denounced that 2005 terror attack on the london transport system in which

her husband died, that is how she got the "white widow" name, her laptop shows she has liking for now dead al qaeda leader usama bin laden. she wrote apparently a poem to him, bill. the last two lines? there was no victory for you, mr. obama, the honor is on martyred osama. bill: where does the hunt stand forker had, greg? where do we have on that? >> reporter: interpol, the international police agency has a huge search out for her. her whereabouts are still frankly clouded in mystery. it is believed she is linked to al-shabaab, the al qaeda tied islamist terror group fighting in somalia over recent years and claimed responsibility for the nairobi mall attack. again she is not being sought for that. in fact in a recently-released video that we saw of the attack we didn't see any rumored woman attacker. she is wanted for another series of plots against terror attacks, against western targets in eastern africa.

however, reportedly authorities are not ruling out a role for her in planning or financing aspect, regarding the nairobi attack. that is why she is being sought. that is why the new details are the pretty interesting. bill: greg, thank you. more to come on that. greg palkot in london. 10 minutes past, heather. heather: why don't president obama deal with republican s? bill o'reilly thinks he knows. >> the president is a sensitive man and is furious with people attacking him personally. the muslim stuff, the birth certificate, the socialist stuff, the president internalizes that and diapaseses those who dispense it. therefore he is on a mission to destroy the hard right. heather: is that a fair debate? we will talk about it. you'll decide. bill: also a big win for a high school football team, i mean really big! 91-0. at least one parent accusing the coach of the winning team being a bully to their kids. was the coach wrong or not? heather: you played ball.

let us know what you think. plus brand new numbers what people think will happen to their health care under the new law. we have got a panel of doctors to examine the health of obamacare. their prognosis plus their thoughts on the enrollment mess. >> someone needs to be held accountable for the decisions that were made that led to this. clearly one of the reasons why this is happening is because they ignored the advice of experts who told them it wasn't ready.

bill: all right. goat some breaking news. we want to take you to southwestern tennessee. this is east of memphis. three are dead after a medical chopper crashed in fayette county, tennessee. two paramedics, one pilot on board are dead. there were no patients apparently at the time. this is right near the mississippi border, headed to pick up a patient. lost communication, crashed in the woods that. is an absolute tragedy. we're watching for more headlines and update from that. when we get it. fayette county, tennessee.

heather: bill o'reilly now accusing president obama of being too thin-skinned to ever reach any compromise with conservative republicans. here he is during talking points last night. >> don't expect much compromise in washington for the rest of barack obama's tenure in office. that is because partisan feelings are so bitter, that detente will be difficult to reach. the president is a sensitive man and is furious with people attacking him personally. the must -- muslim stuff, better is the cat, socialist stuff, the president internalizes that and despises those who dispense it. he is a on a mission to destroy the hard right. they in turn despise mr. obama because they believe he is harming them and the country. some on the right say he is doing it intentionally. heather: michael graham, radio talk show host in boston, julie roginsky, former political advisor to democratic senator frank lautenberg and fox news

contributor. thanks for joining us. julie, i will start with you, personal or political for the president. >> probably a little of both. i can't imagine that anybody who gets attacked whether republican or democratic president, any of us will internalize it somewhat personally but look i think the president is doing what he believes is right for the country. republicans obviously disagree. so you will have these kind of conflicts. happened throughout the 200 some years of repub. it will continue to happen in the future. without psychoanalyzing president i think what is bill is doing, i want to say to bill's point, obviously there are issues they will not agree on and both sides will make the best case for it. republicans this last go round were not successful making their case. we will see what happens going forward now. heather: right. michael, was it purely psychoanalysis or is there example where the president has compromiseed? >> i can't think of any examples of the president's compromise. the guy who keeps telling us how he bent over backwards to work with republicans, hostage-taking

anarchists terrorists he loves so much. reason we psychoanalyze, is yesterday the president is watching obamacare collapse around his ears and says it is working great. he actually said exceeding expectations. how low were your expectation s? this is like showing up at the prom with rosie o'donnell as your date. way to go. >> you can't think of example where he compromised. >> no, can you. >> you want me to list. extending tax cuts to wealthy. >> that wasn't compromise. >> absolutely. >> didn't have the votes. he didn't have the votes. >> excuse me. wait a second he came to john boehner said point-blank, he campaigned on extending tax cuts, getting rid of tax cuts for well think. he came to john boehner, point-blank, said if we get a budget deal i will extend taxes for well think. democrats weren't happy. they did it. extended it for two years. so on, so forth. payroll tax, i could keep going.

>> i'm sorry. >> the republicans absolutely don't want to give him any credit whatsoever. the health care reform, you think that was his idea? something heritage foundation came up with. republicans came up with. so at end of the day, listen up to the democrats we would have single-payer right now. whole health care reform issue is compromise. you want to point out compromise i listed five things he compromised on. heather: i want to jump in here. talk about how americans are viewing the president as well. you know, they kind of seem to agree with bill o'reilly. look at latest "gallup poll" for the president. not immune to failing numbers. president barack obama, averaged 44.5% job approval rating during the 19th quarter in office. that is decline, julie more than three percentage points from the 18th quarter. that is one of the largest quarter to quarter declines of his presidency. so how do you explain that? people do not think that he is doing a good job. they do not think that he is willing to compromise.

republican or democrat. >> heather of the beauty of barack obama's life right now he doesn't have to run for re-election ever again. unfortunately for republican who is are 12% in the same poll you're alluding to they have to run for re-election next year. if you're barack obama, say i will take the 44% and see your 12% because i don't have to run for election. heather: perhaps why he is not negotiating. >> he doesn't have to negotiate anymore. >> julie, would you, do you really want to be the person in 2014 as obamacare collapses as, 60% of the people forced out of their coverage in individual plans see their rates go up, do you want to be on the love obamacare and by the way i wish we had more debt kit team? i would you be on team everything i did to stop obamacare and try to delay it and is a save it from herself. you talk pronoise who had a chance, gave big businesses their one-year die lay because, they're handing over the cash but normal people he wouldn't give them the same treatment. he said i will not negotiate. i will not negotiate.

now everyone is saying dude, you should have negotiated. >> oh, really? i'll answer your question, actually. i would much rather be in the position of democrats are in today than republicans. if you think republicans have a good chance going in with the same stuff they're preaching right now going into re-election next year, god bless. heather: julie, have you seen this poll? "abc washington post poll"? >> i have. heather: 25% of the registered voters now say that they're inclined to reelect their representative in congress, 66, 66% inclined to look around for someone else. that includes democrats and republicans. >> you made my point. republicans right now are the ones controlling the house of rest. they're are ones that will suffer the most. if i were republicans here is what i would do. they don't want my advice but i'll give it anyway. stop the whole jihad against obamacare t gotten now where. when you shut down the government, obamacare's numbers went up seven points. heather: five seconds to respond. >> to that?

i love when democrats use religious terms. some reason always jihad. one year from today you will watch republicans pick up seats, right julie? you predict right now. >> i will bet you, i will bet awe drink the next time i'm in boston that you're wrong about that. heather: that's it. got to go. >> take it, absolutely. heather: you got last word. thanks for joining us. we appreciate it. bill: you love it when a guest says dude, too. that makes our morning. well-done, michael. stunning allegations against lawmakers accused of using campaign donations for their own personal slush fund. really? paying for luxury golf trips and football games and you will not believe what else, heather? heather: raging wildfires. firefighters face their toughest day yet. we'll tell you where this is happening. >> got my wife out, glad my family is safe but we lost a complete house unfortunately two fairly precious cars.

heather: crews are battling dozens of raging wildfires in australia preparing for worst today. hot weather, high wind could feed the fires even more. more than 200 homes have been destroyed. right now a total of 60 fires are burning, the largest and most dangerous, just miles away from sydney. bill: that is a big deal there. there is another deadline in washington. that is december 13th, that is the new deadline to hammer out a long-term budget deal and now we're learning some things about how this is going to work or not. doug mckelway is live in washington. good morning, doug, and what have you learned? >> reporter: bill, we have learned there is tremendous irony and unforeseen consequences with the imposition of see questions term remember it was devised by obama administration as a pill too

bitter for the gop to follow because of sledgehammer approach cutting all discretionary programs including defense. on the eve of its taking effect the president slammed plan his own team had crafted. >> these cuts are not smart, they are not fair, they will hurt our economy. they will add hundreds of thousands of americans to the unemployment rolls. >> reporter: today as we all know sequestration is the law of the land. the only budget-cutting mechanism that managed to block congress's access to the all-you-can-eat bar of government spending. >> sequestration is better than sliced bread. it is the only thing that has prevented the government from growing larger over the last two years. the deficit is lower for the second consecutive year. >> reporter: still, even its supports admit that sequestration is a hamhanded way of cutting. does not distinguish between effective government programs and bloated ones but the gop kept sequestration intact with the most recent government shutdown talks last week.

they have come to appreciate what both parties once condemned. >> what the bca showed that washington can cut spending. because of this law, that is just what we've done. for the first time since the korean war the first time since the korean war, government spending has declined for two years. >> reporter: the question now is, will it survive this new round of budget talks on the hill? bill. >> what is the fate of this in new round of talks? >> reporter: it is really anybody's guess at this point. if there is a budget deal announced by middle of december when they're supposed to report back, sequestration may be changed somewhat, but those cuts imposed by sequestration are mandatory. unless both houses agree to change it, it will remain in effect for next nine years. now it is an important bargaining chip for the gop, as mitch mcconnell said, it is proof washington can cut the growth of spending even if it is pretty much by accident. bill? bill: we'll buckle up for the next battle. thank you, doug mckelway in

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bill: this poll number just came out, 30% of people expect their health care to go up. 32% think they won't get the same type of coverage. 15% believe they will be able to afford it anyway. republican out of ohio, louisiana congressman, vice chairman of the doctors congress and professor of medicine at nyu, member of fox medical a team. we have talked this almost daily of the rollout and how things are going, but the members of congress have been on and off trying to give us a sense about where they see this going. >> based on what you have seen so far, what can americans

expect from this law that is now taking place? >> what we're seeing the difficulty in signing up. our constituents are responding to it in that manner. it seems to be punishing healthy people more so than anyone else. >> why is that happening? we were told it was going to go the other way. >> what is happening is they are making healthy people sign up and one constituent i heard from said he had $11,000 deductible and his premium going from 325 to 860 something per month. bill: that is ridiculous. john fleming, how do you understand it? >> this is a government takeover of the largest economy in the world. none of the people in charge of this have ever run a business.

and so the terrible rollout we see today is a fever of the disease. the disease is this is an and ill-conceived concept. i would say to you today that this terrible rollout that is really an it problem is a systematic of the future problems we will see, which is going to look like this where you have the exchanges sick people, older people rushing to the exchanges and healthy people standing back. that is going to put us into a spiral that enclose the system. >> can they make it better? >> it would be like making a skyscraper better built on a poor foundation. the whole thing needs to be taken down. we need to go back and reform health care once again on a bipartisan basis. bill: weigh in on this. what are you hearing from your

patients? i imagine they are curious at a minimum. >> most of the health care is employees. over 160 million get it from their employers. if you predate existing conditions, pay for colonoscopies, basically somebody is going to have to pay for that and your premiums are going to have to rise matter how many young people you enter. she cannot afford the premiums you'lyou end up on state exchane talk about these glitches on top of that the network is shrinking. the only way is to pay less for doctors. the only way is to take those doctors who can afford to work for almost nothing. which means a lot of the best doctors will not work with obamacare. i think there is a big glitch.

i want to point out something that comes when have not said. the biggest problem is with employer-based system, not the exchanges. 7 million people maximum which they will not get. bill: do either of you still see patients today? >> i will go first. i do see patients as a reservist, i stil still have mys the practice. we're taking care of our troops, set is a different system altogether. but in general talking with my partners still practicing, they are greatly concerned whether they will be able to take care of people properly. we're looking into situations right now you're one of the largest business propositions the country has ever had, being run by people who have never run a business.

bill: do you see patients today? >> i have not been able to see them as much as i would like, but i would receive a letter this week on a mother who said his son received the health care, is now cancer free and now with the infliction of obamacare, forced from a full-time to 20 hours per week job and now going out to search for health care insurance. >> they can tell us a bigger picture of what many people are going through right now. i asked a moment ago, can they make it right? >> as we sit here today, can they, and how would they? >> the biggest problem is they extended insurance rather than health care. you go to the doctor's office, you cannot get into see the doctor you want, no longer in

the plan. care is going down. for them to make this better they have to scale this back. they had to figure out how to deal with the shortage, that is number one. how can you mandate people buy something that doesn't work for them? first step. >> dr. siegel touched on it right there. you have doctors in congress who have been here since his conversation began that have never been asked for their input through the white house. that is integral to the point you are not talking to doctors understand the situation. that would be step number one. >> what should we understand? >> the system is set up to look

like a market-based, risk-based insurance plan, but it is a wealth of distribution. you will see that play out over the coming months and years. >> thank you for your time. 22 before the hour now. >> the real scandal in washington isn't what illegal, but what is legal. we will talk the leader of a group responsible for unearthing how some lawmakers are spending your money. bill: apparently officially she is off the market. martha: and she is blonde. bill: that too. ♪

bill: kim kardashian is very to say i do all over again. she is engaged to kanye west.

they popped the question last night. it was also kim's birthday. they welcomed their first child together, a girl by the name of "north." west. martha: great fame, don't you think? i like north west best. it has a nice ring to it. some new fallout after 60 minutes piece revealed how lawmakers are profiting by using campaign committees as her own personal slush fund. questioning one of the congress women's points. >> you loan money to your campaign and charge them interest? >> to be able to do a lot of the things, it is not feasible unless we do that. that is what was recommended. >> collecting 18% interest from

your campaign seems too much. >> would you get a loan and not charge interest? >> that is what the mafia gets. >> theater director of citizens first possibility and ethics in washington. they found at least 15 cases where politicians were making loans to their campaign funds and she joins us now. thank you for joining us. >> my pleasure. >> she made $228,000 over 12 years by charging this 18% interest. was what she did illegal or legal? >> it was perfectly legal. the federal election commission allows members of congress to loan themselves money to their

campaign committee says they can pay themselves a fair market rate, that rate hasn't been challenged in any time, so she can charge 18% interest. she is not alone. we found other members of congress who also made very strange loans and took a lot of interest. you can find us on both sides of the aisle. >martha: people are thinking how can this be legal and what can be done to stop it. >> this is just one of the many problems we have got there. where the main things we need to see happen is a reinvigorated federal commission that has been a total failure, failed to regulate any kind of campaign spending. if we had commissioners and forcing the law, we might see, is behaving themselves a little bit better. >> some other things you discovered, from georgia sent more than $100,000 entertaining world-class golf courses.

spent $35,000 on nfl games. anything else that stood out to you? >> there are so many. members of congress will routinely use their funds to host lavish events at premier golf clubs and sporting events and musical events. another thing people need to be aware of they don't know about is a thing called leadership pact that is entirely unregulated becoming nothing more than slush funds to spend on anything they want. >> the bottom line, what are these political action committees originally intended for? >> they were originally intended for the congress to take on a lot of money for their colleagues in leadership raises as they could a city chairmanship when they need the vote.

what we have seen recently is leadership pacs are nothing more than slush funds and if you go through the spending you will see the ritz carlton, always members is for incredibly lavish events. taking his family on a trip to scotland. >> thank you so much for joining us, hopefully there'll be some checks and balances that go into this. >> we would like to see that. bill: good work if you can get it. i did not play them well. i was just physically there. generally, what is cooking up? jenna: the hits keep coming for the health care online exchanges. the new details on just how

expense of the software glitches are. fox team coverage on that. analysis. and a potential new breakthrough in early cancer detection. we will tell you about that with great doctors, and the good news on gas prices. it is not all bad. bill: see you at the top of the hour. martha: and did not say you played poorly. you did. bill: another controversy brewing for the justice department. this is another fast and furious? on deck. martha: 90 1-0 to much? now accusing the winning coach of bullying. >> there's nothing unfair about it other than the fact we played better than nobody.

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martha: one texas high school football coach reported for bullying after his team ran up the score in a major blowout. how big the score? 91-0. last friday's game. one parent filed an official complaint online suggesting he should have instructed his team to ease up. the team says that is not his job. >> there was nothing unfair about it other than the fact our players were better than their players. i would never tell them not to play.

that is not what you want to teach kids. martha: he took his first stringers out. what are you going to say, don't score, stop, run the other way? >> the other team gave the winners credit. i don't trash talk, they don't talk dirty. so they are better. the parent had a problem, you can understand getting whacked on for the other part of friday evening, 91-0. still. three mexican police officers now dead in a shootout with drug cartel members found at the scene a grenade went to a u.s. government allowed to operate. on this one cover what we are learning now and explain what happened. >> what makes this importance when this happened. does this criminals smuggling

guns. under surveillance for smuggling parts to mexico. phoenix u.s. attorney's office in arizona handled both cases. where prosecutors refused to stop the operation, the same decision not to file charges on the grenade maker may have produced deadly results. residents capture the deadly shootout between mexican police and they cartel that killed those three officers at the scene. at least one ably was made in 2009 they knew they were making grenades from parts stores in the u.s. but the agency did not shut him down. a year later they arrested him at the border with hundreds of empty grenade holes for the u.s. attorney's office refused to prosecute referring to the parts as harmless toys saying the case

lacked jury appeal. considering to make some 2000 explosives for the cartels until authorities in mexico rated his factory in 2011. today he is in new mexican jail on terrorism charges. no comment in arizona, but atf agents tell me this breakdown bill was in the medic of they can prosecute just a few years ago allow criminals to walk free despite a mobile cause not just the fast and furious but this case as well and people likely died because of this. bill: much more on this in los angeles. martha: here we go again. facing even more tough questions today about all the problems still plugging obamacare.

martha: better late than never for one world war ii veteran. 94-year-old receiving the

prisoner award medal. the bronze star and the combat infantryman badge after surviving the baton death march. taking place in the waiting area of the tulsa airport with family and fellow veterans and a little bit of circumstance. congratulations to him. i was able to fly in world war ii veterans this past weekend, had an amazing time. that will air on veterans day. bill: what did you learn? martha: a lot of stories. one gentleman on the beach in pearl harbor which was bombed, 16th birthday. bill: looking forward to that. we have got to run, everybody. thank you for heather stepping in for martha today. see you at 1:00.

heather: goodbye. jenna: breaking news and the brand-new stories you only see here. jon: the trial of a prominent utah doctor starts today. why this one piece of evidence is so crucial to the case. our legal panel is here. plus no information on the female bomber behind this deadly explosion. what her plans were. and a strange twist in the assault on suv driver by bikers in new york city. one witness sel now saying he wl not testify before the grand jury. so why the change of heart? it is all happening now. ♪ well, the health care exchanges are already off a rocky start as

you probably know, but now there are some brand-new reasons to be concerned. welcome to "happening now," i am