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we really appreciate it. start your weekday morning with ainsley, 5:00 to 6:00. that's all the time we have left this evening. that's all we have tonight. let not your heart be troubled. we'll see you back here tomorrow night. this is a fox news alert a seismic shift on obama care sentiment on capitol hill. now seval democratic lawmakers president obama allies are calling for heads to roll. but that's not all. also breaking tonight democrats up for re-election 2014 are scrambling to find solutions to the problem of that crumbling web site including many of them calling for the extension of the enrollment period. but there is more stunning news tonight. some democrats even calling for a delay of the individual mandate. moments ago we spoke with senator ted cruz. senator, nice to see you, sir. >> greta, it's always nice to be with you. >> a lot of big news today democrats having sentiment towards obama care. at least a lot of them calling for extension in
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enrollment period. two democrats have called for individual mandate to be extended one year or delayed one year. i imagine you are watching this with some sort of sense of, what? >> well, look. it's clear this thing isn't working. and it's becoming harder and harder for democrats to defend. during the last two months as we have been debating obama irca. very few have tried to debate it on the substance. it's not working. you have got the disasters with the web site. more broadly you have got the impacts that are happening with jobs. it's the biggest job killer in the country. it's forcing people to part time work. >> we haven't gotten to that whether you are right or wrong we haven't even gotten to that point. we are sort of at the implementation period. it seems to be the core part of it is, you know, if the web site is a dud, that sort of puts, you you know, the brakes on. >> one of the reasons the web site is a dud is the directions the administration gave the programmers was that they wanted to set it up where people couldn't see the prices until they had entered all of their
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personal information because they wanted to put the subsidies in to avoid sticker shock. so, you and are used if we want to go search for a plane we go on or bits and what you have enter it in and see the prices immediately. these things are designed so you can't get the information until you put your personal and private information in it that's one of the many problems these web sites have. >> what do you think the president is thinking tonight about it? >> you know, he has so far shown no willingness to compromise whatsoever. i mean, the pattern we have seen, grants exceptions to his friends, his cronies, grants exemptions to big business. grants exemptions to members of congress. i am convinced that it is likely before the end of his term he plans to grant an exemption to the unions. he hasn't done that yet, but i think that is their intention. >> what do you predict is going to happen in light of -- there now seems to be a rather big shift in how many democrats looking at it many of course are up for re-election. >> i think we are seeing momentum. it's ironic, all the people
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a few weeks ago saying there is no way you can win this fight. there is no way to stop obama care and they also said there is no way any d's are going to flip. we are starting to see democrats flip as this thing -- it's a train wreck. it's not working. and, in any political fight, when the truth is on your side, you are in a good situation. here the truth is this thing isn't working. >> well, i know that here in the senate you have had some of the republicans, even your own republican colleagues aren't real wild about the strategy deployed. you were in texas. you got a warm reception down there. >>it was breathtaking. it was really good to be home. we had rallies throughout the state. we had rallies in san antonio and houston and up in dallas. and it was incredible. >> do you ever feel like sort of a a of loner on this? >> not remotely. because i am doing my best to stand with the 26 million texans who sent me here. to be honest, if given the choice between having the appreciation of washington and being re violated in
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texas or having the appreciation of texas and being re reviolated in washington, i will pick the latter 100 out of 100 times. >> do you think you are reviolated here? >> in some quarters. -- the reaction at home, i can't tell you how many people said thank you, thank you for listening to us and not everyone in washington. and i think the key to our fiscal and economic challenges. the key to bringing back jobs and economic growth is we have got to get more elected officials in washington listening to the people and not listening to the party powers and the bosses here in washington. >> senator, nice to see you. always nice to see you. welcome back to washington, by the way. >> it's great to be back. fortunately i'm flying back to texas in the morning. >> take care. why didn't anyone tell the president that his signature program the obama care web site could come crashing down. tonight, on the record investigates obama care.
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>> the rollout of obama care is nothing short of a debacle. >> the fact that the web site has, i think beyond glitches, whatever you want to call them is disappointing. >> we're not interested in hearing about glitches. we're interested in moving forward. >> when it comes to obama care, clearly there is an awful lot that needs to be held accountable. >> the president should man up and let us know who is responsible and who is in charge here and fire them. >> i think there certainly are some challenges. it could be smoother and easier to access. >> do you know when he first knew that there was a problem? >> well, i think it became clear fairly early on. the first pell of days. >> but not before that though? not before october 1st? >> was he being insulated from the what was he told? >> what the president made clear and is he on the record saying, this i think well ahead the launch is we expected hiccups and glitches. >> while i was optimistic that things would go
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smoothly. >> i think what the administration can do right now is reach out to those state based exchanges that are functioning and facilitating enrollment. >> here in utah the federal marketplace by the federal government and small business marketplace is one run entirely by the state. >> have they reached out to you yet? >> no, they have not. >> will you answer your phone waiting for their call. >> i would be happy to help in any way that i can. >> retired neural surgeon dr. ben carson says the whole healthcare system has been turned upside down. dr. carson joins us. nice to see you, sir. >> glad to be back, thank you, greta. >> well, i will tell you, things have certainly changed the last 24 hours. democrats supporting some sort of change in extension to the enrollment, shaheen prior baggage, landrieu, nelson, manchin, the list keeps going on. those are all thosecrats. meanwhile the white house releases a video today with real people singing praise to the web site and insurance executives are at the white house trying to sort this out.
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your thoughts? >> well, you know, i'm glad that some of the democrats are actually starting to realize that this is a problem. and, you know, if people could just swallow their pride and let's not make it about democrats and republicans. let's make it about the people. how do we get good healthcare coverage for the people? and not expand the budget deficit. what i have done is put on the table some proposals for ways that it can be done. i hope other people will start doing that you know, this is not a monarchy that we live in. if we use the collective resources, the intelligence that we have, i think we can solve this problem but, you know, when big egos get in the way, it's very difficult to do anything in a logical fashion. >> you have wrote something that healthcare we need a patient, we need a healthcare provider and mechanism to pay. then all all of a sudden on the
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side what we have gotten injected into this is the insurance industry and the politicians. >> they have become the primary entity, the government and insurance companies instead of the patient and the healthcare provider. any now dictate everything and the patient and healthcare provider are at its beck and call. this is not the way it was supposed to be. weave need to be aiming at a situation where we return healthcare to the the patient and to the healthcare provider. that's why i'm so sold on the idea of health savings accounts because 80% of encounters can be taken care of by that health savings account. you you still have to have bridge insurance or catastrophic insurance. you pay for that with part of the proceeds. and i just lost audio. >> you can hear me, sir? >> okay, now it's back. >> okay. do you know any doctors who
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think obama care is a great idea? >> i have yet to find one. i have a lot of people who are telling me that they are hanging on. and, you know, if you just look at the impact that this has on doctors, first of all, they have to cross every t, dot every i. and it has to be dotted and crossed in the way that some bureaucrat thinks it needs to be done. and it really does distract from the doctor/patient relationship. most people are spending all their time documenting things rather than looking at the patient. you know, you get a lot of information from body language and eye contact. a lot of that is going out of the window. now, that's just one of the minor side effects from having a system that really is not about patients and doctors. it's about the government. it's about other people insinuating themselves into the most important thing that people have, which is their health and their lives. and we all should just step
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back, take a deep breath and say is there a better way to do this rather than turning all of this over toward the government. the government may mean well but historically they have not done the greatest job with things less important than our healthcare dr. dr. carson thank you for being here. wrath paragraph don't you want testimony know what the h.h.s. insiders think? i do. how it all worked or should work. also, there is more tonight on the growing opposition to obama care. some democrats calling for republican calls for heads to roll. that latest coming up. and you can hash it out with us. should the obama care web site be fixed or totally replaced? start over from scratch in tweet or post on facebook right now. but use #greta so we see it.
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glitches and saying things like people can get on the site now. no, they can't. my wife can't get on it. >> everyone is trying to if i can out out the rollout got so messy. we talked to someone who actually tried to work on obama care. officer of consumer information and consumer oversight. he joins us. nice to see you, sir. >> thank you. >> all right. this is obviously a little bit of a mess. maybe a bigger mess. but i want -- what role did
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money play in this? did h.h.s. have enough money to set this up? >> no h.h.s. has got to play the hand its dealt. this doesn't excuse how bad the web site has been. the truth is that the republicans in congress never appropriated any money for the federal exchange web site and so h.h.s. had to scrape together money from various offices within h.h.s. that took a while. that's one of the reasons that the web site has not been a successful. >> well, i would think that that would be more of a pain to the organizations or within h.h.s. that didn't have the money. but they actually got money, right? >> yes. but it took a while. >> and it to what extent do you assign the blame for the lack of money to the mess we are in right now? >> well, there is a lot of blame to go around, obviously a lack of money is a big part of it. also, i think people should understand and again none of this is meant to excuse how the web site has rolled out. it's been a mess. it's been terrible. but people should also
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understand that the -- those who built the technology that doesn't work, those are not government employees. those are private corporations, private government contractors who make a lot of money and have mastered the art of making a lot of money by contracting with the government. now, the house is going to have hearings. if they want to take the high road, it's not a road they are accustomed to taking. but if there are republicans in the house take the high road, they can do some good by finding out what did these private contractors, these big corporations promise they would do and what did they actually do? how much did they promise they would charge and what do they actually charge. >> i'm also curious whether this is -- and maybe this goes into the nuts and bolts. bidding into the contracts. hundreds of millions of dollars. number two, if this has to be fixed or even scrapped and redone who pays for that? do we pay again? do we pay again second time meaning the taxpayers. i would like to see the
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nature of the contracts. did they promise to deliver a particular product within a particular period of time at a particular cost where they could do cost overruns? >> these are all things that should be looked into. again, if it could be done in a fairly nonpartisan way, which i don't nurture much hopes of, but could be. these are questions that should be asked and deserve answers. it goes way beyond. this i the government contracting process. >> don't get me started on that. it's a nightmare. there is not much appetite to clean that up. it goes across almost every agency. all right. when should we have known that there was a problem? >> i don't know. i'm not close enough to it. i will say this though. i think there is enough time to get the site fixed and if the site is fixed, i think we can -- those of us who were for the affordable care act can can all look back on this thing and joke around about it as to how bad it was when it first came out if it's fixed. on the other hand, if it's
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not, i mean, the stakes are high. it will have terrible consequences. not just for the affordable care act but also in government in general for the antigovernment crowd. for those who hate the united states government. what an example this will be when government wants to do the right things. >> i'm not a government hater. >> i know you are not. >> but i think if we sort of bite off more than we can chew and we think we can do things that we simply can't when we are unreasonable and create expectations that we are not serving our country well. >> well, you remember we got a man to the moon. >> we did get a man to the moon and we did it within a decade as jfk promised in may of 1961 and we did it anyway, i have got to go. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. democrats now joining republicans in the push to delay obama care. trey is here with more on this breaking news next. how could the obama care web site go so wrong? is it even possible to fix it or should it be scrapped it or should it be scrapped and start all americans take care of business.
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okay, here is a question for you. should you, yes, you, have to pay a fine for not buying health insurance if the obama care web site doesn't work? republican congressman trey radoll calling for a delay of that penalty. nice to see you. what's your plan. >> let's just delay it let's keep this in perspective. president obama has already told big business, corporations in the united states that they are going to be delayed from the law. they are not beholden to obama care for a year. we are saying can't you do that for we people? and the nitty gritty into the bill is this.
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we want the government to say okay, this is good, certify it, it's up and running, for six months after that, that's the delay. and then say people can get on to this. now, after the delay, within this, then we put the onus back on people. and if they have glitches, problems with the internet, with the web site, or with phone calls, then they have to prove the issues that they have. >> shift the proof? >> that's exactly right. >> how different is this what a lot of democratic senators are talking about tonight extending rollout period isn't that the same thing? does the individual mandate penalty still go into effect with extended enrollment period? >> as i understand it this penalty is in effect. you will get fined for not being able to sign up for something that you simply can't sign up for. you know he what, greta, there is a bigger picture to all of this. >> what if they fixed it before -- between now and the 15th of december? >> look, anything that we can do to prevent americans from getting fined for something that they can't sign up for, i think is a heck of a start. it's just unfair.
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businesses aren't beholden to obama care why are you a hard-working american? there is a huge picture to awful this that is such a shame. right now, in my state of florida, hundreds of thousands, plural, are being told that their healthcare provider is not going to provide for them anymore. so then they are out of luck with the private company that they had. they go and try to sign up for this last resort measure, obama care, and they can't even sign up for that. this is a symptom of the illness of what is obama care. this is more than just the web site. this is about the implementation of a disastrous piece of legislation that is affecting americans as we speak young and old. it's going to effect their jobs and their paychecks. >> would you be willing to wait like two weeks to see whether or not they can fix this? i don't know that they can this web site on your will? because then they could still theoretically sign up for the mandate would kick. in i don't think it's going to happen but maybe. >> yeah, i don't either. and forgive me for not having a whole lot of faith in the way that the federal government rolls out massive
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bureaucratic programs. we're going to drop this bill next week. it's going to be the rubio radel bill. we are taking the lead on the house side of this. we are going to push this. again, we are seeing -- the problem is that he we are seeing both house democrats and senate democrats who now only after the government shutdown are saying well maybe we will go ahead and delay. this they didn't have to shut down the government to get to this but unfortunately we did and the victims in this are the american people. >> congressman, thank you. nice to see you. >> thank you. >> coming up before you can fix the problem, you have to be able to identify the problem. but, here is another problem. can the obama administration even identify what the problems are in this web site or is it far too complicated? you are going it hear from a tech expert who has investigat
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woods behind her school and tonight the accused student is being held without bail. and now to london. police releasing individual wrote of brutal attack on an american student. police say five suspects beat the 22-year-old american and slashed him with a broken bottle. police say the student may have been targeted because he stood out as a foreigner. and here in washington, a white house national security official has been fired. he was running a twitter account that was highly critical of many at the white house. the former staff says the twitter feed started as a parody but he has now apologized to anyone he insulted. and finally the royal news of the day prince george the future monarch smiling for the cameras outside saint james palace prince william and princess kate at his side. as for the naming of the god parents the royal baby has seven of them and that's tonight's speed read. and this is fox news alert. a growing number of democratic lawmakers joining republicans to push for obama care delays. west virginia democrat senator joe manchin is
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working on a bill that would delay the individual mandate penalty for just one year. he spoke with bill o'reilly. >> what we have said is that this t. should be a transition year for one year there should be no fines. let's work through the problems. they have been identified. i think everybody has recognized them. let's fix it. >> bill, his basically says that he is going to leave it up to an agency or so to tell us whether this is working or that is working. there is really no certainty of time. ours has a certainty of time. january 1, 2015 no fines whatsoever. transition in, work out the kinks, let's fix this thing. >> you can see that whole interview next on the o'reilly factor. everyone is talking about it here in washington but we decided we need to gows out the beltway. what are people saying outside the beltway in other problems of the country. in utah. >> what the administration can do right now. reach out to those state
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based exchanges that are functioning and facilitating enrollment and start leveraging some of that expertise and seeing what they are doing different versus healthcare.gov. >> the situation is unique here in utah and perhaps there are lessons to be learned. the individual marketplace here is run by the federal government while the small business marketplace is run by the state. why are the feds having problems that the state are not? we spoke to dan skier the former director of technology for utah's health exchange. >> so in utah we have avenue h which is the small group exchange that was built and developed by the state of utah in 2009, it's stargted at small groups of 50. to do the enrollment. facilitated marketplace. as many of you have seen and heard in the news there have been some technology glitches on the individual
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marketplace using the federally facilitated exchange. consumers are having problems or were having problems creating their account and completing the application process. and that is sort of stymied or made it difficult for consumers to enroll. >> why do you think they are having problems on the federal level? >> on the federal side the issue really stems from a lack of timely guidance from h.h.s. the vendors vendors have been looking for the rules and regulations that guidance was shortcoming from h.h.s. as a result the vendors didn't have the time to build the marketplace or thoroughly test the marketplace so in utah we he did a beta test or limited launch where we restricted enrollment to a small number of employers to test the bugs if you will to test the system and determine if there needed to be any changes to the system. and that proved to be very beneficial because we were able to quickly identify issues with the exchange and
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quickly fix those. we reopened the small group exchange in january the following year and as a result of that beta test, we were able to facilitate seamless enrollment from that point on. the administration has taken fragmented steps. they have brought the vendors back to the table. they are reaching out to other technology experts to look at the platform and make some suggestions for improvement. i really think it's tough looking from the outside in to be able to tell what the problem is because without being able to see the code, and see what the vendors are debugging and what challenges that they are seeing at a fundamental level, it's really hard to make that type of decision i think what the administration is doing seems to be the right steps. >> the web site builders insist they saw a red flag so why didn't they do something about it? and now the problems are piling up. so, what would it take to
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fix the web site or can it be fixed. nice to see you, sir. >> thank you, greta, how are you doing? >> very well. so tell me first, do you think that the problems can even be identified? >> well, i think we know the problems it's not working, right? so, it's working at the state level, which you just saw that it was a smaller scope, easier to roll out when you try to roll it out in national level moving target that sometimes happen technology. it's a big bang approach things do blow up. so, yes, it can be fixed. but, and i do not think that it has to be shut down and then fixed. take advantage of what is there and roll it out so the people can get access to healthcare. >> the way that you explain it sounds like it's probably sort of a simple thing. just find the problem and then you fix it then we roll
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it out. that's not the impression i have here nught with a. even the democrats many of them are running for cover on this. you have got the white house worried about it. it doesn't seem quite that simple. see all these lines of code different places. it looks enormously complicated. >> well, technology is complicated. i think what happens in a lot of different projects people get enamored they try to do everything at once. than focus on what is our objective? sign up for healthcare. so i think what happened was the -- in that large of a project, the hardest thing is not actually to say what you want to do, the hardest thing is to say what you don't want to do. so, if you look at -- i mean, you have interviewed some great people tonight. and if you look at the who is the one person that is
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responsible we do not want you to put your email address and go back to your email and validate this is actually you and then put in your social security number before you can even look and browse. so i think what they are doing is made it so complex. they have been so ename mored that we are going to make this great solution and ran at a moving target and so at media temple this is what we do every day. we help hundreds of thousands of customers make millions of web sites run faster and so we were asked by the "wall street journal," we were asked to take a look at the code. and when they launched it three weeks ago, it was -- it wasn't as clean and crisp as it should have been. and so i can only imagine what the rest of the system is. but that is kind of water under the bridge now. >> is it -- i have the impression that the problem is sort of like a
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malignancy. if you have one problem create one problem or three problems. it's so daunting to me that it sounds like the obama administration might feel like scrapping it and starting over which may be a bigger problem. am i wrong in thinking that these mistakes are sort of like a malignancy and not just one mistake but each mistake creates a mistake? >> no. unfortunately i think you are correct. if you look at the web site and how there is -- they are still test code in the web site. they left the comments. there is actually programmers names still in the web site. if you look at the code in the web site, you can go look at hot coders were and you can look online that they are not even web site developers. fresh out of college. electrical engineers that were responsible for this web site. so, if that level of expertise or lack of expertise was identified for one of the tiers of the application, the web site all we he can do is hope that they spent more time and better expertise at the other levels. >> all right. i know this is really unfair
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question. but i'm just sort of curious. off the top of your head, how long before this can be fixed? can you give me any idea? >> well, so they are starting to fix it they are throwing more computers at it. more compute power. there is a lot of things that they can do. so i think the needle is starting to move to -- toward getting it better. but they need to collaborate. so, unless they collaborate with the states to see what the states did and the software world and technology world we call it open source, unless they open source amongst the states and the federal, their ideas, they won't be able to fix it. they need to pull everyone together. they need to say what's working and what's not. >> can they take a state model and say your state model is working. we are just going to expand it and plug in everything on a federal level or are they vastly different? >> unfortunately it is vastly different. i guarantee the states are doing things that the federal system can learn from. so, i would like to know how did they share those ideas?
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was there a weekly or monthly conference call to say this is what is working? this is what we are going to accomplish. this is what we are not going to do. >> i literally have five seconds left. tell me, so, would you expect we would be having this discussion in two weeks and it's finished? a month? six months? what's your wild guess? >> hopefully, within a month it will be up and running and smooth sail. hopefully we don't have to have this conversation three weeks from now. >> all right. well, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. take care, greta. >> straight ahead, while the nation is consumed with healthcare web site dud. there are big developments
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president i cannot even stand to look at you. but it turns out, apparently that didn't happen. tonight, top house republicans and the white house disputing senator durbin's claim. house speaker john boehner and cantor said they never heard anyone make that comment at the meeting. today white house press secretary jay carney also refuted the claim. >> i spoke to somebody in that meeting and it did not happen. >> senator durbin though is he standing by his comments and there you go. coming up, big news benghazi investigation the latest is next. u fill up my senses♪
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♪come fill me again there is new information tonight in the benghazi terror attack. catherine herridge is here with the latest. catherine? >> thank you, greta. this information that we got here at fox news really moves the story forward in a very significant way. what we have been able to determine through our sources is that two key suspects have links to the al qaeda senior leadership.
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this is a group in pakistan that the obama administration has portrayed as being on oits heels and on the run and our information suggests that one of the suspects is believed to be a former courier and the other a formerrer body guard with ties back to al qaeda in afghanistan in 2001. >> when did these plans begin to be made for the attack on consulate. >> this is the other key development. the house chair mike rogers this is someone who gets regular briefings and also running his own investigation on benghazi he told us on the record that the intention shows that the planning was weeks in the process, not just a matter of days. >> now the line, the obama administration said it was spontaneous demonstration from a video. that's unproven by the reports by the intelligence? >> that's correct. >> when did the white house learn that -- because that -- that -- >> -- exactly those are the two remaining questions in my mind. when did they have access to the same information that
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congressman rogers has shared with us and at what point did they understand that at least two of the key suspects had these ties to al qaeda senior leadership. i believe it was before the president's speech in may at the national defense university where he talked about how the al qaeda core was really on the run. >> well, but it was right after 9/11 benghazi that they kept talking about the video producing the spontaneous assault and the president even at the u.n. said that it was -- this video or made the suggestion that they know it was al qaeda then. >> i don't know. that is one of outunderstanding questions. congressman rogers to his credit he was the person on september 12th who called benghazi a commando style terrorist attack on the record to fox. that was an important data point that really started to unravel the administration's narrative. >> we will learn more. anyways, catherine. >> thank you. >> thanks for having me. this is one call you can bet president obama didn't want it came from angela merkel.
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she rang up the u.s. to ask if the u.s. has been spying on her personal phone. intelligence may have targeted her phone. the white house saying tonight president obama auto sured chancellor merkel the u.s. is not listening in on her phone calls. do you think she was convinced? tell us using #greta. and switching gears now a big night in sports, baseball fans getting geared up for game one the world series. the st. louis cardinals taking on the boston red sox. and shep smith is live at fenway park in boston. shep? >> greta, what a night. the rain has held off. the temperatures have stayed up two days ago the thinking was that it would be in the 30's and an 80% chance of rain. but boston strong tonight that's not the case. they have been introducing the starting lineups in the big fenway behind me and the game will start in just about 20 minutes. game of one of the fall classic fired up, greta. >> how do you get this job, shep? >> i don't know. i think the big fox broadcast network wants a little cinergy obligor on here. they end us to game unwith.
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honestly i am not much of a sox fans was a yanks fan. was hoping to get out west. we will take boston tonight. they have a lot to cheer for. this is a team in the absolute basement in the al east last year. new manager, front office move, some young players and rallying around really six months after the boston bombing and they have done great things this year. these two teams lead their perspective league in wins and tied for overall best records and hoping for big numbers from big poppy before they take it to saint lewis in a few days. >> indeed a great time. shep, everyone here is jealous of the assignment. thank you for joining us shep. >> you bet. coming up obama care news you are not going to like
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now it's time to show you what we are watching. we put together fantastic videos out there. a former high school football player hadn't kicked a ball in years nailing a 40-yard field goal the kick winning him $20,000. but look closely at the video as he kicked the ball his shoe flew off. the kicker said he didn't even notice he had one shoe on until he got back to the sidelines. and you remember the song the fox. how could you forget? the same group has a new song out called massachusetts. ♪ massachusetts it's the 00 biggest state. 50 miles from new york. >> massachusetts will adopt as its state song and that's what we are watching tonight. coming up, more bad obama care news. yes, there is more and this one hits young women. if you know a young woman, better watch, it's next.
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more obama care whoas, many outcome women are going to get sticker shock. here with more. nice to see you elise. what's the story with young women? >> so this analysis by a conservative think tank found that some women in some areas of the country they tested it for a 30-year-old mom nonsmoking healthy woman could see their premiums double or triple on the insurance marketplaces these are people buying on the individual market so people who don't receive coverage through a spouse, through their work. through a program like medicaid but it's clear that under obama care some people are going to see higher premiums than they thought before. >> why does it jump up so much? >> well, obama care has a couple rules that are real vast here. first this new insurance coverage needs to include benefits that older plans didn't have to. so, for example, preventative care things like disease screenings and birth control. all of that is going to be wrapped into new health plans available in the new
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edges changes and those were not a requirement before. of course they are going to be more expensive. the other thing is older people are only allowed to be charged three times as much as younger people which was not the case before this law took effect. older people will see their premiums go down but younger people are going to have to subsidize them as a result. >> what is sort of the general view in terms of -- if there is one on obama care? people like it or not? i realize everyone is very disheartened with the rollout. >> it's very hard to tell right now. polls have been up and down. gallup found that polls are actually edging up over the last month or so which is pretty incredible given the failures we have seen at healthcare.gov and people's struggles to enroll. i think that experts are going to say we need to wait maybe even a year to see whether the public truly responds to this law but certainly the traffic at health care.gov suggests that there are people interested in seeing what their options are. >> i thought it was rather a big moment politically the fact that so many democrats are now asking for the enrollment period to extend.
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that's sort of the first crack in the dam in terms of them. they have all hung together pretty tight on this. a number of them up for re-election in 2014 are now suddenly asking for slight changes. >> right. and as we know starting next year people are going to have to carry health insurance. and as of now they are going to need to buy it by february 15th kick in by the end of march. whether they have healthcare coverage and have that penalty. we are expecting that the white house will clarify these rules maybe even tonight. they understand that it's confusing to people. they think i need to have coverage by april 1st. if i buy it at the end of march, i will be fine but, in fact, you are going it need to buy it as of current rules in the middle of february. >> we haven't even gotten to the execution stage. we're trying to make it through the enrollment stage. but even once everyone is enrolled we have to see how it shakes out in terms of the execution whether there is doctors available. >> that's right. >> i don't know the answer to that are we going to have less doctors?
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>> there is already a huge doctor shortage in the united states and the baby boomers are aging which is going to create a huge crisis. so a the love people are arguing that the federal government should be investing more in graduate medical education to make sure that we have more doctors. we need to be creating more slots in graduate medical schools. but i mean it might be hard for people to get a doctor even without obama care it's already difficult. >> i don't think we necessarily have the long-term vision on these problems. i think they have you should hae seen enrollment problem. i think even the president agrees on that. >> that's right. >> now we don't know what's going to happen once people are enrolled. >> what's interesting to me is healthcare.gov doesn't include as far as we know a sense of your provider network under these new plans so you don't know when you sign up for a plan whether you will actually be able to keep your doctor without doing more research like contacting the insurance company directly. >>s that yuan of the promises anyway elise nice to he sigh. >> bye. >> see you tomorrow night right here at our new time 7 p.m. eastern. up next o'reilly factor.
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