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>> well done. >> great ideas in parents magazine. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> we'll continue the conversation in the after the show show. kids, big wave good-bye. >> happy halloween! what you saw, an error screen that reads, please try again later. too many folks have seen that. welcome as we start a new week here on "america's newsroom," i'm bill hemmer. good morning at home. martha: good morning everybody, i'm martha maccallum. the issues as we said continue today as the obama administration is scrambling to get this whole thing fixed. but top republicans say they think this may just be the beginning into the website was supposed to be the easy part of this. so i see actually this is just the tip of the iceberg or
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problems with bigger problems to come but the democrats i think are at a point of high anxiety. bill: that was senator barrasso from yesterday. sebelius is on the hot seat this week testifying on what has been an unmitigated disaster. jonah goldberg, leads our coverage, editor-at-large, "national review." good morning you to. you've been studying this over the weekend. another crash overnight. what happened this time? >> this is one of the contractors, the data services hub which provides information to the insurers and to other government agencies, it went dark and sent everything into a sail spin. they say they will try to fix it as quickly as possible. bill: republicans are talking all weekend. they believe this is the just the tip of the iceberg. if that is the case, what's beneath the water? what's next? >> sure. first of all there is the i.t. problem here is enormous. they sent the mars rover to mars with 500,000 lines of code.
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this website has 500 million, which is 1,000 times more. it's a huge mess. most i.t. experts on the record, all of them off the record saying there is no way they will get this done by november. moreover, a lot of criticisms republicans have made, conservatives have made, have not even had time to kick in yet. they all thought the website would work. overwhelming of sign-ups so far are under medicaid which does not help is fiscal so ken very and puts insurance companies under a lot of pressure that. >> is a good point. the mars rover is still communicating day by day. there is headline, all this by november will be worked out. what do you make of that? >> who knows for sure. the idea, but the idea they can get this done in what, six weeks, something like that, five weeks, very few people i've talked to, very few i.t. people think that is even remotely possible. the only way they can probably do it, scale back on what they
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promised the website would do. agree to make it slower. agree to give consumers fewer options. maybe that will work, my guess and guess of a lot of people i talk to this is basically just a hail mary. they want to take the public pressure off, media pressure off, for a little while and give them time to craft a pr strategy to explain the debacle, not necessarily fix the website. bill: we'll tell you what middle class americans in california are now seeing because of this. as you mentioned this debacle in your view continues to unfold for a long time. we'll bring you back, jonah. good to have you. >> good to be here. bill: you bet. martha. martha: you talked about the fix question on the website, can it even be fixed? house intelligence chairman mike rogers says he believes the whole thing may need to be scrapped. >> i am even more concerned today than i was even last week. i know that they have called in another private entity to try to help with security of it. the problem is they may have to redesign the entire system.
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the way the system is designed it is not secure. martha: that coming from a former cia agent, mike rogers some that could mean hundreds of millions of dollars could be drown the drain in this whole thing and hundreds of millions of more may be the cost of doing it all again. bill: despite all that, martha,g support for kathleen sebelius. west virginia senator joe manchin called for a year delay on the mandate but sebelius stepping down is a bad idea. >> i think she should stay and i think she will get the job done and i think she needs to bring people around her and i think she can do that. we got to move forward. if you want to kill the program and start making all changes it would kill the program. bill: on other side a chorus of republicans say sebelius needs to go now. one republican calling her a laughingstock. karl rove is on that. we'll ask him about what he thinks about all this coming up in a couple minutes with karl.
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martha: tough week for her,s that for sure. growing calls for some kind of a delay from senator manchin and others out there. what would that mean for the u.s. economy? joining me now, stew varney host of "varney & company" on the fox business network. good morning to you. >> good morning, martha. martha: a lot of people have mixed reactions to the whole thing. some people said, well, you know what, if it is delayed that could be a good thing. >> that is the case. let's suppose we delay the individual mandate for one full year, put it off for a year, or even if we enhance and extend the enrollment period, any kind of delay will be taken as good news for the economy because people, employers will be more willing to hire. you take that extra burden of higher health care costs off america's middle class. so any hint of a delay, that is it what you're getting now is positive for the overall economy. by the way, martha, the stock market will open a little bit higher this morning, a little bit higher because of these
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hints of, a delay in obamacare, and because the weakness in the economy now means that janet yellen and federal reserve will keep on printing dollars. you have this extraordinary position of obamacare falling to pieces, absolute chaos, yet the stock market opening a little higher, within 100 points of its all-time record high. martha: very interesting. we'll see where it goes. stuart, see you later. bill: we just realized this a moment ago, the front page of healthcare.gov is different. this was the look for three weeks a young woman, smiling face. she has now been replaced screen right with handy icons showing all the different ways you sign up. no word why the change. she is no longer the face of healthcare.gov. martha: saw her every day. you think she didn't want to be on the front anymore? she said, hey guys, i am not sure i want i want i want to bed with this particular website? if you're out there, we like to hear from you. what is your story?
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come on over. bill: fox news alert on this the white house on damage control again. the president now saying he did not know that the u.s. was secretly spying on dozens of word leaders including the cell phone of the leader of germany. wendell goler is the a the white house now live. did the president not know, wendell? what explains that? >> reporter: folks here won't say exactly how much the president knew but a german newspaper report that claims he was told by the eavesdropping is wrong. nas -- nsa spokesperson, says, general alexander, head of the national security agency did not discuss with president obama in 2010 an alleged foreign intelligence operation involving chancellor merkel, nor has he ever discussed alleged operations chancellor merkel. the president reportedly apologized to merkel who grew up in east germany under the eyes and ears of the sassi. he said he would have stopped
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the bugging if he had known about it. lawmakers say new leaks from edward snowden about the u.s. intercepting phone calls from other officials are really hurting relations. >> i think the revelations from snowden and the secrets that have been revealed are doing significant damage to our bilateral relationships with germany, with mexico, with the other countries where the suggestion is that we have listened in. so i think we have repair work to do. bill: brazil's president canceled a state visit over nsa leaks that indicated her phone calls had been listened to. bill? bill: what is the white house going to respond to or how will it respond now to these leaks, wendell? >> reporter: as they dribble out piece by piece it is really hurting things. the president has ordered a review to try to balance security needs with privacy concerns. the same technology that allows the nsa to listen to al qaeda
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communication, allows it to track diplomats calls. it helps them most global communications are routed through the u.s. the president says essentially everybody does this. the some anger we're hearing at foreign leaders convincing their own people they don't accept the status quote. the former french foreign minister said in radio interview, everyone is listening to everyone else but we don't have the same means as the united states which makes us jealous. bill: wendell goler thanks, from the north lawn this morning. nice to see you. martha: so meanwhile the former house homeland security chairman congressman peter king says the president should not be apologizing for the nsa program. he should be praising it in king's opinion. >> i think the president should stop apologizing, stop being defensive. the reality the nsa saved thousands of lives not just in the united states but france, germany and throughout europe. the french are someone to talk. the fact they have carried out spying operations against the united states, both government and industry. as far as germany that is where
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the hamburg plot began to 9/11. they had dealings with iran, iraq, north korea, french and germans and other european countries. we're not doing this for the fun of it. this gathers valuable intelligence that helps not just us but the europeans. >> but -- martha: we'll talk about that coming up with peter king. the congressman will join us later this hour, 9:30. bill: what do you think at home? does america apologize too much? send us a tweet all morning, @billhemmer, @marthamaccallum. we'll get to them a little bit later today. there was a time we would fix all this stuff, right? our view of the world. how the world views us. some of this polling would suggest exactly the opposite. martha: all the world leaders know they have been bugged but they don't like the fact it is discussed embarrassing. once it is out there you know your phones are tapped you would assume very little is confidential. we'll see. we'll talk about peter king about that in a little while
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coming up. there is a manhunt underway for four escaped inmates. wait until you hear how they pulled this out. bill: he went to prison for his role in the death of jack jack. dr. conrad murray is a free man only three years into his prison sentence. we'll tell you why he is walking away today. martha: kathleen sebelius a laughingstock as some have said over the course of this weekend. she is of course the face of this health care program. "saturday night live" on facing tough grilling on capitol hill, does she need to go? karl rove will give us his take on that. >> we want her to talk with us before she is out the door but i tell you, the incompetence in building this website is staggering. when we made our commitment to the gulf, bp had two big goals:
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live" the laughingstock of america. so she lost considerable credibility. bill: john barrasso, senator from wyoming, he is a doctor too. new criticism on sebelius and not holding back. from late on "saturday night live." >> we're probably just overloaded with traffic, millions of americans are visiting healthcare.gov which is great news. unfortunately the site was only designed to handle six users at a time. [laughing] so if you're in a rush, consider using our low rez website, with simpler fonts and graphics. [laughter] >> that is the old dial-up system, log on the punch the number in, walk away for 15 minutes and come back. karl rove, former senior advisor, deputy chief of staff to president george w. bush, fox news contributor. good morning to you. you dealt with crisis at the white house for eight years. how does kathleen sebelius
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either defend her or this program this week? >> well, going to be awfully hard. i think her best defense is to try to keep the focus on we're trying going to try to get this problem solved. look, this morning "the wall street journal" had a piece, there were three groups of people, the people at office of consumer information and insurance oversight, a new office at h-hs planning the website. people at center for medicaid and medicare services, cms, 40 miles away from baltimore, they were planning the website. then we had white house officials who were delaying important officials that had implementation of rules that had real consequences for how you design the website what it can do. we had no one in charge. no one single person was in charge of this. everybody has to agree to the same deadlines and we're going to execute. at the end of the day somebody has to be held responsible for that. the secretary who was in charge of the implementation is that person. bill: what will she say? give us more time.
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we had screw-ups. everything in the end will be fine? can she even come close to saying that. >> well she is going to say it, whether or not she is credible. look, when you become a parody on "saturday night live", it is awful hard to recover. even more devastating that on that is what the american people think they have heard about this website and what they have heard about this rollout and this implementation and none of it is good. again nobody appears they're in charge. the white house is not taking responsibility. they're saying, go talk to hhs. this is all over at the department of health and human services. inside the hhs you have the people for center for medicare & medicaid services you go talk to the hhs people. they're saying talk to the cms people. this is still today a very ragged operation. they have one guy who is now in charge and he says it will get done by november 30th. as you saw, as you heard in your earlier segments, there is not a lot of confidence in the industry whether it is high-tech
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industry or the health insurance industry think that is going to happen. bill: you mentioned credibility and that really gross to the heart of a lot of this, karl. when you think about, well, this is june of 2009. it runs 15 seconds. listen now. when it is over, think about where we are today. a story in california where hundreds of thousands of middle class americans are finding sticker shot. here is the president from 2009. >> if you like your health care plan you will be able to keep your health care plan, period. if you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. [applause] >> when you have these rose garden events like we did about a week ago where we were told, hey, it's going to be okay, it will be like buying an iphone or buying a plane ticket. all that goes to credibility. go. >> yeah, exactly, and look the
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president had no credibility on this issue when he spoke, look, when he said that in 2009, june of 2009, he knew that the congressional budget office in march of 2010, excuse me, that the bill would not allow that to happen. in march of 2010 the congressional budget office said 3 million people will lose their employer provided coverage as a result of the affordable care act. they updated that number in february and march of this year. they now say eight million people will lose their coverage. the department of health and human services actuaries at cms, no, it will be 14 million people. right from the get-go we knew it was not true. we knew it was not true it will drive down premiums. president says they go down $2500 for a family of four. they're already up 2300 some odd dollars since the passage. would drive down health care spending in america. the congressional budget office and his own-offs of management
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and budget said that is not true. he said these things right from the get-go were untrue and knew they were untrue and why he kept saying them and creating this problem for himself is beyond me. bill: karl, this is 2013 this is big-government program playing out in real time. it was not that way in 1165. it was not that way in 1933. people see the information for themselves, hour after hour, day after day and now week after week, and this is a big, big problem. sebelius on wednesday. karl, talk to you then. karl rove with us today. 20 past, martha. martha: the man who was found responsible for the the death oe king of pop is now a free man overnight. why dr. conrad murray was released halfway through his sentence. bill: also remembering a beloved teacher, murdered by one of her students. friends and family saying good-bye to a woman that frankly made a difference at a very young age. >> can't erase what's happened. we have to overcome it. >> we need to pray for both
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bill: a 24-year-old teacher allegedly killed by a student laid to rest this morning. hundreds turned out just on sunday for a vigil remembering 24-year-old colleen ritzer. she was slashed with a box cutter by one of her students. colleagues remembered her dedication to the students she taught. >> she was a wonderful, inspirational teacher. she was an inspiration to all of us. she was an inspiration to me to live life to the fullest every single day. bill: one of her students, philip chism charged with murder.
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he will be tried in the commonwealth of massachusetts as an adult. martha: this is breaking overnight. dr. conrad murray sentenced to over four years for involuntary manslaughter for the death of michael jackson. he was released overnight after spending just two years in jail. the self-proclaimed king of pop died in 2009 after given a lethal dose of prescription medication. will carr is live in l.a. will, how did he get out early? >> reporter: well, martha, good morning. it is interesting. the murray left the los angeles jail at 12:01 this morning. he left quickly. he may have left in the back after cop car. a number of michael jackson supporters showed up to catch a glimpse of murray who was convicted in 2011 in michael jackson's death. he was sentenced to four years for involuntary manslaughter but actually became eligible of for parole because of good behavior. he ended up almost serving two
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years before he was let out a little bit earlier this morning, martha. martha: so what's next for him? report according to his -- >> reporter: , according to his attorney he wants to practice medicine. that is is a big problem. he lost his license to practice in three states. it has been suspended or revoked in those three states. he maintained his innocence. he is appealing his conviction. in the recent aeg live trial where jackson family was suing with aeg, they sided with promoter. they didn't give jackson family any mon but but that didn't mean they were letting mourey off the hook. >> absolutely not. i don't think it is individual did ication of dr. murray. conrad murray had a licensed. graduated from a accredited college and we felt he was competent doing the job of general practitioner. that doesn't mean we felt he was ethical. >> reporter: there are some reports that murray wrote a book
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while he was in jail. that may come out in the near future there is one report that says he may get into a reality television show sometime in the near future. back to you. >> oh, boy, that would be shocking, right? well, thank you very much. we'll see where he goes. bill: did anyone see this comeing? i didn't. martha: that he would write a book and might try to get his license back? bill: how about the fact that michael jackson's doctor is free today? unreal. in a moment, if the obamacare website issues are not bad enough, americans are bracing for the increase in price. why many of you will be paying a lot more for insurance. we'll explain that. martha: a top republican lawmaker says that president obama in his opinion needs to stop apologizing to world leaders for the nsa surveillance program. congressman peter king joins us next live here in "america's newsroom" to explain. ♪
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bill: fox news alert now. listen up here a manhunt underway in oklahoma. four prisoners escaped through the jail shower. the inmates made a run for it after climbing through a trap door in the jail's shower in central oklahoma sunday morning. they crawled through the plumbing system and got out. witnesses saying these four men, still in their orange jumpsuits,
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ran past a car wash before vanishing. police are asking information. anyone with information to please come forward. that's oklahoma. we'll get you more information when we get it here. martha: top republican lawmaker, congressman peter king, is now defending the nsa surveillance program and says that president obama should stop apologizing for the controversial tactics. comments coming aneed new reports that the president told german chancellor angela merkel that he would have stopped her phone from being tapped if he was aware of it. congressman peter king, from the house homeland security committee he joins me now. thanks for being with us on this monday morning. do you believe, that the president didn't know this program was happening in germany. >> first of all i don't know what happened with angela merkel and that is classified information. let's assume the facts are true, it was being tapped. i can't believe the president did not know. first of all he didn't know, he certainly should have known.
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hard too believe that he didn't know when he is briefed on these things. they usually give citation where the information comes problem. if he was giving any information at all about merkel or any other world leader, the person briefing him or briefing book he would get would almost have to say where it came from especially since it would be so controversial. , so sensitive i should say. i can't believe that as commander-in-chief, as pat president of the united states, that if it was being done he didn't know about it. martha: i thought george will had an interesting comment on this on "fox news sunday" with chris wallace. let's take a look at that. >> i don't think their indignation is synthetic. you have to understand that she was born in 1954 in east germany. she grew up under the surveillance state administered by the stasi, the secret police. martha: what do you think about that, congressman? >> i understand why she would be personally upset but like it or not this is reality of real world politics.
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president obama when he became president he said he would have to stop using his blackberry or use his blackberry so especially adapted he could only deal with his wife and close family on it. madeleine albright told a story when she was ambassador of the united nations one of our closest allies was tapping her telephone and listening in on her conversations. you assume this is done. the doesn't sound good that we we want to really dwell on this type of thing goes on all over the world. martha: that is the backdrop here. every world leader has to expect they don't have a whole lot of privacy. i think that is simply the world that we live in and when we learn the extent of this nsa program i think that become as even more sort of stark reality. in terms of the big picture and how we're doing it, and i wonder about this, i wonder what that says about president obama's relationships outside of this issue with these other leaders that they're showing so much indignation on this here is a
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broader comment on our foreign policy by former vice president dick cheney. listen to this. >> i think our friend no longer count on us, no longer trust us and our adversaries don't fear us. that is the cornerstone and base of u.s. ability and influence. if we're not heavily involved there, if we turned our back on the region, if we have a president who believes we overreacted to the terrorism attacks on 9/11, i think the saudis, the emiratis, egyptians, many in that part of the world no longer have confidence in the united states. martha: does this president lack confidence or even respect to some extent from some of these world leaders and is that part of the reason that we're seeing this kind of outrage about all this? >> by all accounts president obama does not have close personal relationships with foreign leaders the way reagan did with thatcher or bill clinton did with tony blair or president bush with angela merkel for that matter or with sarkozy. in the middle east he had very inconsistent policy for instance
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with syria. he basically told france by all accounts that we were going to attack syria. france went out on a limb for us and president backed away. he told the saudis we would attack syria and he didn't and saudis were left there. and the way he treated israelis supposedly one of our closest allies. there is inconsistency there which our allies and other countries find troubling and they can't rely on him. for instance, with the nsa, with germany, with merkel, the fact is while this may offend her personally the fact is the united states has done so much through the nsa to save lives in germany. we've done much more for germany through the nsa than the german army has done for itself since world war ii. that is part of the real world we live in. martha: that is a great point this goes to the picture of the relationship. could you imagine a scenario where the president might have been able to pick up the phone and talk with her and explain what was going on, maybe do a personal apology and the whole thing doesn't blow up into a situation where you have german
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intelligence officials coming over here for a scolding. >> again by all accounts he does not have those types of personal relationships previous presidents have had. frankly he doesn't have the close personal relationships on capitol hill. i think he feels he doesn't need them. he has more of a academic approach to policy the fact when he comes down to it human nature is human nature. personal relationships do mean something. obviously each country in the end has to do for itself and personal relationships and trust means something and the president sorely lacks that. martha: peter king, always a pleasure. thank you very much, congressman. >> u that, martha. bill: boston red sox are back in it. it has been a good fall classic already from last night. >> there's a drive into left. back at the track, at the wall, it's gone! jonny gomes has hit a 3-run home run. bill: that was a shot by jonny gomes. game 4 of the world series,
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red sox tie it up, 4-2 victory, tying the series at 2 games a piece with st. louis. he was not supposed to play. he filled in for the injured centerfielder shane victorino. this comes after the crazy game on saturday night, obstruction call on will middle brooks. absolutely bizarre. you never see games end this way. game 5 on the big fox. it has been a -- he was doing the worm and when you kick your legs up 18 inches in the air. martha: going seven games? bill: very likely. good for america. good for the sport, that's right. martha: so thousands of people are finding out that the affordable care act may not be quite so affordable. why one woman said she was all for it until she found out it how much it would cost. is the law financed on the back of middle class? stay tuned, that is next. bill: how he changed the face of
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♪ martha: takes us right back to some of those days in new york city, in the lou reed days. you can not mistake that voice, a legendary musician, dead yesterday at the age of 71. the velvet underground frontman helped shape one of the most influential bands in rock and roll before branching off into very successful solo career. like many rockers at the time, reed was a hard drinker, he did drugs.
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was very open what a very full life he lived. he underwent a liver transplant, i believe the second one he underwent. he lost his battle with liver disease when he passed away over this weekend. lou reed was 71. just obviously, ran with andy warhol and the gang. had a very big influence on bands like talking heads and bands like rem. so many came after him and considering him one of their biggest influences. bill: loved new york, tell you that. martha: he sure did. bill: had a big, big life. remember him fondly. 71. so obamacare might have more trouble than a wonky website. sticker shock for thousands of middle class americans, those have been actually able to log on, finding out what it will actually cost them. kirsten powers, columnist for "daily beast." katy pavlich, townhall.com. both fox news contributors. you have stories. even in your own lives you have stories how your insurance
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changed and cost has changed. kirsten we heard a bit of hers last week. katy, i think you will tell us in a moment here. here is the headline from the "l.a. times" today, okay? this is story exclusive to california. you know how many americans live out there, right? middle classical importantians with individual health plans are surprised they need more policies that cover more, and, cost more. katy, this is the sticker shock. this is after you get past the website. this is what truly endures for this law. how are we to understand this now? >> well the problem is, that this is called the affordable care act, right, now we're seeing it is anything but affordable. the poor are being subsidized by middle class. the rich don't like they're paying more but they at least can afford it. the middle class is stuck with the bill. promise they can keep insurance which they're not able to do, but now, paying double, triple, premium prices for one family of four, seeing a triple in premiums going from 300 to
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$1,000 a month. that means less food on table and less mon for things like college. bill: reading from the article, kirsten. middle income consumers face 30% rating increase in california due to several factors tied to the health care law. how is this going down? >> for the people it is happening too it will not go down very well at all because the president said clearly if you like your plan you can keep it. and i heard david axelrod this morning on msnbc saying that the vast majority of people would not see their health care plans change which is a new talking point. used to be that you if you like your plan you can keep it. now it is vast majority of people will keep their health plans. that's the main problem. if the president had said, if you like your plan you can keep it for double the price, i don't think that people probably would have been as supportive, so i think that is his primary problem. he made a promise that he is not following through on. bill: two things it will do, help those with preexisting
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conditions. everybody can agree on that. that was part of the republican plan in the beginning and helps the poor too. all those on medicaid are ones signing up in droves, katy. you wonder if this system is now a clever way of redistribution, redistribution of wealth in a way that people did not see before but now is becoming plainly obvious? >> well, it is not that they didn't see it. they weren't told bit. conservatives have been warning for years that obamacare would make everyone's premiums skyrocket. in the end we're looking at the total cost here. there is not such thing as free health care. when you have to pay for other people's health insurance, when you have to pay for things you don't need on your health care plan, when you limit choice for people's plans, the administration and in some talking points are saying we're eliminating bad plans, that people were on before and we're giving them this government plan in return, that includes things, a, that they don't need, b, also limits choices who they can see, when they can see them and how
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much they pay. they don't have a choice how much they pay now. they have to pay one price for the same plan that is double or triple what they paid before. bill: there is political equation to all this as you well know. both of you live and work in washington, d.c. kirsten, what is the political price as you see it now? >> i think it is hard to predict right now because we don't know how much worse it could possibly get or i guess it could potentially get better, i don't know. they will argue that, once you get enough people in the system maybe it will bring the prices down but, the problem is, that the promises, that the basic fundamental promise that the president made has not been borne out for people. there are a lot of people who won't see insurance change if you work for a corporation or something, but, for people, if you're an individual market, i don't know a single person who hasn't seen their insurance go up by double. bill: what is the effect of that though? you shared a story in your own
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life last week. you're not alone. >> i just, well the thing is, it depend because if majority of people are not seeing their prices go up then i think it has less of an impact. we have to wait and see. bill: buts, kirsten, i'm sorry this is the middle class. >> but not majority of people on insurance. bill: it could be hundred of thousands of people and certainly that must have an impact. >> i'm not saying that it doesn't matter substantively. i'm saying as in terms of raw numbers they sound really big but in terms of percentages that people who vote they're actually pretty small. bill: that is an interesting point. >> yeah the bigger problem is the website not functioning. there is a lot of different pieces to this and think we have to wait and see, do they get it functioning? we'll know more towards the end of the year. bill: katy, what is your view on that? how do you see that developing? >> doesn't matter if the website functions or not if people are paying triple for their premiums. people are getting hit in the pocketbook. they can't afford a tripling in
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premium. when it comes to voting, we saw the 2010 elections. that was before we saw the implications of obamacare. i will say that in 2014 we're going to see that people are angry. they're feeling it personally. on the individual level, sure, maybe people working for corporations are not losing their insurance but the majority of small business owners, guess, what they're on individual plan and losing insurance and paying triple. so they're not hiring more people and they're not growing the economy. bill: you both talked about statements that are not true, like health care can't keep it, like doctor, you can keep it. that is not true. karl rove points out that all cops back to the credibility of the commander-in-chief on this. katy, thanks. kirsten, we'll talk again. thank you, ladies. martha. martha: stunning new report on the benghazi terror attacks. new witnesses coming forward saying there was no confusion what happened that night. it was clearly a sophisticated assault from the get-go. bill: also, it has been almost a-year since superstorm sandy slammed the northeast. the recovery efforts one year
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martha: hard to believe, nearly one year ago, that superstorm sandy rocked the northeast, affected millions of americans as it barreled onshore. today, so many people along the coast are still recovering. they're working to rebuild their homes and their communities, but while some progress has been made there's still a lot, a lot, trust me, that needs to be done. watch this.
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>> communities back. livelihood, money, people, tourism. you know everything. >> we've made great progress over the past year but that means absolutely nothing if you're one of the people who is not back in their home. i understand the frustration. i believe the federal government is working as hard as they can. martha: for some people. first time since the storm iconic ellis island reopens to the public today. that is where our own rick leventhal is. so, rick, it is a big day on ellis island today then. >> reporter: absolutely, martha, especially since the last time we were here on july 4th, a lot of employers east told us they didn't think ellis island would reopen until 2015. they still have a long way to go. today on the 127th birthday of lady liberty just across the day, ellis island reopened its doors. the first and second floors will be open to the public including
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the immigration station, great hall, registry room. the exhibit, people of merge, 1550 to 1980, that covers year ellis processed 12 million people between 1892 and 1954. gift shop is open but sadly the calf fear yaw is not. there is no admission fee. you have to pay for the ferry about 14 bucks. martha: great place to bring your kids. full of fascinating history about new york city. how bad was it in that area, rick? >> reporter: this entire island was covered by water during hurricane sandy. all the mechanicals are below ground. because of that the storm surge destroyed electrical, heating and cooling systems. ruined the office space and ferry building and a lot more. >> this is extremely complicated because it is an historical building. because, all our hvac systems, the electrical systems, the telephone systems were all in
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the basement. so that all got destroyed. was all flooded. the entire basement was flooded right up to the roof. >> reporter: repairs have been made to the water and sewage systems. entirely new electricallism is being installed along with a new air-conditioning system to protect the park's millions of documents and artifacts. museum elevator still isn't fixed. documents and artifacts are in a climate controlled facility in maryland. they will be moved back up in time for reopening of all the exhibits in may, martha. martha: that is good news. a lot of people need help along the rockaways and delaware, new jersey. calls for christmas presents for kids this winter because they're still not up on their feet again. rick, thank you very much. ellis island is open. that is something to feel good about. thank you, rick. bill: the white house has more explaining to do. why the website crashed last night. martha: the operator of a state fair ride. he has been arrested.
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martha: new questions of the rollout disaster that is the obamacare website. and when the president first learned that it was in no way ready to roll. welcome this morning to a brand new hour of "america's newsroom." we are glad you are here. bill: good morning. weeks before healthcare.gov went live, president obama was taught touting the website is easy to use and ready for a flood of sign-ups. from late july. president obama: there will be a marketplace online like where you can a flatscreen tv or plane tickets or anything else you are doing online. and you will be able to buy an insurance package that fits your budget and is right for you.
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speak we can comparison shop and online marketplace like you would for cell phone plans or plane tickets. most of the stories you will hear about how obamacare will not work, every time they have addicted something not working, it works. martha: fox news senior political analyst. rick, good morning, good to have you here. i think the president must be so angry his folks let him get to this point where he is embarrassed by all of this. he has to be. >> you would think so, wouldn't you? but it does not appear he's going to have any heads roll because of it. that is up to him. i would say it is pretty clear that he was misinformed or he was allowed to go around saying things that were misinformed until right up until the end.
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the testing had been very limited, as you know, and very late in the game. what testing they did did not go very well. at least testing of the whole system. individual parts are tested and shown to work. but when they tried to use it, it didn't work very well, if at all. so he was not told that. one would imagine he would prefer to have been told that. martha: you wonder as always with the stories coming in a story of what happened. all of this was starting to unroll when the showdown over the debt was happening and the president was standing very firmly that he would not negotiate, a delay was out of the question. you wonder how much pride and politics played into negating the reality that it really wasn't ready. >> you can certainly sense, martha, and the chronology we have being a complete that
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politics played a role in how this thing came together be had for example we know it was kind of late in the process that the decision was made instead of having people be able to go on and shop around and see what policies were available at what price, they wanted people to enroll first and receive information about what subsidies might be available to avoid a situation where people saw the unsubsidized cost of these policies and were shocked by them. that's a political decision. of course it created an extra step in the process that cause apparently some of the borrowings that would have led to these problems. and i think when all is said and done, this would be a mix of elements of the government working on different pieces of this project, contractors working on them, failure to see the whole thing until the very end, and all o that will fit ino this jigsaw.
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i might add, martha, you think about it there's another fro ths the president made here that one must wonder when he knew it would not be cap. that is one he made so explicitly in may of 2009 when he said if you like your policy, you can keep it. period. he said it over and over again. it was pretty early in the process of designing this whole system and clear to all that that would not be possible, they were creating a new set of standard provisions that had to be in each of these exchange insurance policies that would mean a lot of policies out there would not qualify and people were going to lose their policies. did the president know that? did it occur to him to retract that promise? no, the answer seems to be no. he either did not know, or he refused to say. martha: that creeping reality that has come into this day by day. look at what is happening in california and the middle class
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bearing higher cost and so many assets of taking this on. after the website is gone and fixed. they said they would do it in 30 days. that'll be the reality we will be discussing day after day is my guess. >> you have a florida as well. unclear how many of these people have in their policies terminated will be able to find an acceptable policy with subsidies to allow them to afford a new policy and they will be okay. it looks like many, many people will not be able to do that and will end up paying higher prices for something they did not really want. martha: it does appear that way. brit, thank you very much. bill: some concerns this is just the beginning. the website should be the easy part. so what is next? republican senator is here and why he says government is the problem now. on the state level, there are
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governors on both sides of the aisle trying to find their own solution. john casey from ohio. >> the obama administration needs to open itself up and figure out how we can get some sort of bipartisan support going forward. we are sitting in a room, we would figure out what is good, what is bad, how do we fix it. washington talk past one another. they cannot seem to get anything done and it does not make any sense. >> this is a process. everybody wants a date they can declare victory or 60th or failure. it took us about three years to get medicare really working the way it should. bill: what do you think at home, can this be fixed or was it doomed from the start? send us amin tweet and we will r what you have to say at home. wednesday is a vague, big day. that is when kathleen sebelius testifies before the house
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committee. what will she say? how will she defend the rollout, and what will she offer as possible solutions for weeks into this? martha: we're seeing a lot on twitter if it is delayed, already been pushed off my plan waiting for my subsidy trying to figure out what my choices are, what am i supposed to do with that cap if you have a year in between if that is how it all turns out, where so those folks go and what should they do? that will be a big question for her. bill: we have a hearing last week with the website experts at 9:00 a.m. martha: it wasn't their fault. they all did exactly what they were asked to do. bill: sebelius 9:00 a.m. on wednesday also. eastern time. martha: it is going to be interesting. this comes to us this morning out of the middle east where israel says it has launched retaliatory airstrike in the gaza strip. this comes hours after palestinian fired two rockets at
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southern israel. no injuries reported in either strike. the rocket fire comes one day before 26 prisoners were set to be freed as part of the u.s. brokered deal leading to the resumption of mideast peace talks. >> israel now sounding the alarm over this disturbing report claiming the regime is only one month away from having enough weapons grade uranium to fill the nuclear bomb. jennifer griffin is live at the pentagon. why is the new report so surprising, jennifer? had this not been expected? >> essentially, bill, because it comes from one of the top nuclear experts, a former iaea weapons inspector. this institute for science and international security monitors iran's maker program as closely as any nongovernment group. their conclusion released last week, iran could reduce enough weapons grade highly enriched uranium in as little as one month.
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that is vastly shorter than what the obama administration has repeatedly said that it would take iran a year to have enough uranium for a bomb. we have been hearing those estimates for years. a former weapons inspector concludes iran would have to eliminate more than half of its 19,000 centrifuges to extend the time it would take to build a bomb to six months, bill. bill: there's a reason we're hearing so much about this now, iran's capacity. why is that, jennifer? >> essentially because the restoratiomenstruation began nes with iran in geneva october 15 and its lead negotiator and the white house have been trying to convince congress not to impose more sanctions. there is a bill on the table by senator mark kirk of illinois, a republican who want to impose more sanctions on iran. they have been heard in the oil industry. they are down in one year to half the oil production they had
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before the sanctions were strengthened, so there is a going on right now. what is interesting is in iran there are anti-american billboards that pop popped up ie last week that showed american nuclear negotiators above the table and with military weapons below the table. those are orders taken down by the iranian government. bill: thank you. 10 minutes pass. martha: there is a new twist in the investigation into the benghazi terror attack as a first western with ms. comes forward. what he says happened during the seven hours assault that killed four americans and why he claims u.s. officials knew an attack was inevitable. bill: a strip mall going up in flames. where this happened and how it ended up. martha: why some states want to be able to track every single mile that you are driving. think about that. ♪ ho ho ho
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bill: we mention this a moment ago, the fast-moving fire overnight turning down a strip mall in massachusetts. took out several businesses along the way. fire crews work into the early morning hours. reports of one firefighter injured. folks can see flames from their homes to miles away. the cause of that place is under investigation. martha: stunning new claims the benghazi terror attack was preplanned. and was sophisticated. as a new witness comes forward. on the assault that killed four americans including our ambassador, chris stevens. during a "60 minutes" interview, a former soldier describes the frantic scene with an guard.
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watch this be a >> said what is going on? he said we're getting attacked. i said how many. he said they are all over the compound. and i was shocked, i didn't know what to say. i said let's keep fighting, i'm on my way. martha: fox news contributor is with the tea party news network. ladies, thank you very much for being with us today. we bring this to you, now "60 minutes" is a sunday night's program putting a lot of focus on this story and have a couple significant people to talk about it. here at fox news we have been covering this story for a long time at times have been criticized for continuing to cover this story. leslie now, it continues to be a broader issue and a very strong news network wants some answers here. >> i don't find it anything odd
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that any network or the american people want answers. but i do find it odd that we have unconfirmed, not cooperated by the british military, by the pentagon, by the state department any of the claims this with this has made. in the court of law he probably would not have even been allowed to give his testimony. so my problem is that cbs2 this parading because when i went to my masters can have to verify those facts before you put them out there on national television. martha: this is an officer that he trained the individuals working embassy. we also know it has been very difficult for these people to talk. we're still trying to figure out all the reasons why the witnesses who were there and the people at the embassy have not spoken. he has clearly cooperated much of what happened in the story. there has been some cooperation
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with what we have heard from these two individuals. let's play another piece of the benghazi story on "60 minutes" last night coming from a u.s. official who claims he warned ambassador stevens that he wast. watch this. >> i made him known you are going to get attacked, you're going to get attacked in benghazi. need to change your security profile be at shutdown operations, move out temporarily or change locations within the city. do something to break the profile because you are being targeted. they're watching you, you tacklk cycle is in the final planning stages. >> h you said there in a final attack plan of an attack on benghazi? >> i could see they were staging up to. it was obvious.
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>> there's nothing that surprising here. we know the british ambassador, the embassy was attacked, and they pulled out. there was reports according to these gentlemen, and he would you just heard from, flags flying in the area. the idea that this is something truly new is questionable. and it cooperates a lot of what we have been hearing all along. >> leslie, this time to start admitting the truth. is a ministration and secretary of state completely screwed up when it came to benghazi. not only did they screw up, they tried to cover it up the next day by blaming it on a youtube video and hope in the truth does not continue to come out. thanks to great journalism, we're hearing more about the truth of benghazi for the nightly news rather than the hearings from a few months ago. which is not fair to the people, fair to these four dead americans killed without anybody wanting to help them despite their cries for help.
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martha: they had made increased cries for help, added security. they were turned down. it is going to be politically relevant and it may be politically relevant for hillary clinton down the road. she shook her hand in the air and said what difference does it make of it was a bunch of crazy individuals or something that was planned and plotted. i am paraphrasing. >> that is great paraphrasing taking one sentence a bit out of context. martha: is it? >> when we look at who did this, are there al qaeda fractions in libya? yes, there are, in every muslim and perhaps every country in the world. the information w i have thus fr is this is not just al qaeda. there are still questions and discrepancies as to whether this was an opportunistic or well executed attack, and i do think whether it was well executed or
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opportunistic attack, we have to look at the reality. the reality is during the bush administration, 22 embassy workers killed, seven attacks on u.s. embassies. when i lived in pakistan adopting my son at the embassy, i was terrified. i since they would not have blamed him because the matter how much security we have, things like this can happen. let's keep in mind ambassador stevens was the one. >> let me jump in here for a second. the fact remains we know they asked for additional security. we know that there were efforts to reach out, to ring the alarm bells, and it is relevant and there has been nobody apprehended in this case. the president at the white house and the rose garden says whoever did this will be brought to justice. that's another very good reason to continue to investigate this story.
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a lot of folks don't seem to look into. >> you can sit there and bring up the bush administration, it is where you blame bush so many years later. martha: nobody is blaming bush. >> you just blamed bush. martha: i clearly said this is not the president george bush, it is not about the policy. >> they asked for help and month before there was a meeting laying out the entire planet's s embassy was going to be under attack, and last night when the calls for help went out and the soldiers wanted to go in and help, there was a call somewhere from this administration to stand down. we don't know who made that call. >> really, really? >> they wanted to go in and help. >> very controversial, but we know they did. tell me what soldier leaves another soldier on the battlefield. martha: scotty, leslie, thank you. we will continue this
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martha: protest over loss of jobs turns nasty. watch this. in italy where we are seeing workers demonstrating against the closing of the factory by a color. the workers just being told all their jobs will officially be gone by next january. they would try to reach the u.s. embassy to protest that decision by alcoa. please trying to block their way. we see economically-based rage
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and outrage in europe. ♪ bill: the operator of a ride at a fair is i fizzing, charges afr writers were injured. they were operating the vortex ride when it suddenly turned back dropping riders 20 feet to the ground. on thion the story live out of atlanta. what are the charges indicating, what do they mean? >> this ride operator faces three criminal accounts of assault with a deadly weapon inflicting serious bodily injury. the alleged weapon in this case is the right itself. police are accusing the operator, 46-year-old timothy of georgia of altering the ride in a way that made it unsafe. >> we have determined that this routride was tempered with after
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inspection and critical safety devices were tampered with and compromised. >> 's attorney did not address the criminal complaint against his client but said his client is devastated by everything that's happened. bill: zohar the victims doing? >> there were five people injured, two of them have already been released from a hospital but two of them remain hospitalized including a 29-year-old man, 39-year-old woman and a teenager all on board this thrill ride known as the vortex. it had stopped for offloading and suddenly restarted while passengers were still on board but no longer protected by safety restraints. early this morning at work or dismantling a separate ride at the north carolina state fair suffered a leg injury when a piece of that ride fell on him. that ride is also called the vortex but officials say it is a completely different type of fried than the vortex in this
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criminal investigation. bill: thank you, jonathan. strange, strange charges. martha: another embarrassment for obamacare at the website went down again over the course of this weekend. republican senator on the glitches and the solutions to this big government program. bill: a year after sandy devastated so many in the northeast, so many are struggling to rebuild a year later. elizabeth macdonald will take us one of the hardest hit areas. >> now i have nowhere to go. that is what i have. so ally bank has a raise your rate cd that wothat's correct.a rate. cause i'm really nervous about getting trapped. why's that? uh, mark? go get help!
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♪ bill: back to one of our top stories this morning now. obamacare website crashed again last night. louisiana governor bobby jindal warning the technical problems in this law are only just beginning. >> let's remember this is the easy part. the real critical issue is when it comes time to schedule your grandma's surgery, what happens then? this is systematic of a bigger problem. this is administration the most incompetent or the most liberal administration in recent history? i think this issue, this policy shows to quote hillary clinton, what difference does it make. bill: what difference does it make. here with me in the studio.
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thank you for your time. i have so much stuff that i want to get to. let me see how much i can do. you were with david axelrod. what he said was most will not lose their coverage. that's not what the line was before. >> most can be 51%. think about where most people get their coverage, they get it from their players. most people don't work for large corporations that are self funded and a program. most work for small businesses buying insurance market and the small-market, they're going to lose coverage or their employers are going to pay an enormous price increase to be able to do it. bill: we are going work through this step-by-step. i want to hear a solution for you. what i see right now is the first big government program have seen in america since 1965, 1933, and this big government program is failing before our
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eyes. you can watch this hour by hour or day by day, week by week, you cannot do that in 1965, he could not that in 1933 because he outlets in the media were different. >> i think it brings up 2 points. number one, all administrations are incompetent to a certain degree because of the mass size of the federal government. it is hard to manage. hard to manage for a lot of reasons. you cannot hold people accountable who work for the government. second of all, who was responsible. what one individual was responsible for putting this together or saying timeout, we are not ready. and kathleen sebelius says maybe she's not. who is that person? in other words where is the cup and sea level? government is good at a lot of things and we should have government in some things but we ought to demand excellence and expertise.
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we didn't get either in this. bill: do you think the president called his folks and the oval office and said set up the program, tell me if i were to log on to sign up for obamacare, what would i see. did that happen? >> i have no idea. the point is somebody should have asked that question. we have rumors they did, it wasn't ready and they went ahead anyway. here is something your listeners ought to know. we spent $84 billion per year in it in the federal government. 42 billion is wasted every year. bill: in fraud? >> incompetency. half of what we spend on it fails in the federal government. now it is hard because 20% of what private buys doesn't work. 2.5 times greater than the federal government. we don't have accountability, we don't hold people responsible. this is just the base of trying
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to get it launched. just wait until they tell you what you can do. bill: ura cost man. you deal with numbers. the best number i can find what what he have spent on this website so far is $394 million. now, i don't know how much higher that is going to go. some suggest you need to take the website down and start all over again. what do you do, what is the solution as it stands today? >> my solution is to trust what we trust in every other aspect of our country except education and health care. let's create an upper limit first so nobody loses their ho home, nobody ever goes bankrupt because of the health care issue, let's put a bottom to those who can't get health care
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can get it, and less trust the market to allocate scarce resources, demand transparency for equality. that's what we are for. if we do that, health care cost will go down, not up. studies show one out of every three studies, color spent does not have anybody get well. and that will be worse. bill: obviously they can see this national invade embarrassmy out in front of them. >> label obvious to get fixed. but bobby jindal says this is just the beginning of a large program that is going to be very difficult. it is going to be in a downward spiral because there is no way the unhealthy people are going to go in and pay and take the deductibles needed to pay for those who are very sick.
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you're going to have mainly very sick people signing up meeting the insurance industry will lose a whole lot of money in 2014 and then the rates are going to go even higher again which means fewer young, healthy people will sign up and what you've done is exactly the opposite of the market. the whole goal is universal single-payer government run system. bill: we will see how kathleen sebelius reacts to all of this on wednesday. thank you. >> a pleasure. martha: when it comes to buying something like health insurance the crucial information you need to make the right choices very hard to find. live from los angeles. how about that. >> it is not supposed to be that way. a five star rating system consumer reports for health insurance is available but the ministration in most states are not sharing it.
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speak through the health insurance being provided is good. it is high quality. >> but is it a? how does a consumer know they are not just getting a low price but the best product. >> value is price versus quality. it is like a teeter totter. so put it out there. the price is out there. >> most states do not boost quality ratings even when available. >> it is important to have this rating information because otherwise they are confronted with all these plans on exchanges the benefits are the same. they are just going to pick the lowest price when in fact taking a slightly more expensive plan might serve them better. >> the national quality insurance rates every plan nationwide on treatment, prevention and customer service. each category is scored on a scale of 1-5 and the plans are ranked from best to worst. as you can see, only eight
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states in green display any quality rating on their website. those in red do not. including the federal exchange in orange that handles providers and 34 states. >> that's ludicrous, consumers determine to know what is unrated versus what has been around for long time and a good quality rating. reporter: they see no rating reflects poorly on them. others say let consumers decide. >> the rating system is really, really important. otherwise choosing a plan on these exchanges is just a shot in the dark. >> so some big providers shed a light on the doctors so the rating doesn't apply anymore, and they argued the state say we don't want to be rated versus those that are. others say if it is out there, but it out there, but right now most states have argued we're not going to rape them until one or two more years. back to you. martha: another thing that makes it very tough to make a decision
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try to handle all of this and navigate it. thank you. bill: your income tax, sales tax, how about a driving tax. why some states are now looking to charge people for every mile they drive and how the world with a plan to track that? martha: the old saying lice may never strikes twice turned out to be a myth for this man. we will tell you about his very close call. hi. i'm henry winkler.
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shock of his life. >> what i remember is just it dropped me to my knees and as i was going to my knees it hit me again. it was a gol cold flashes and ss went everywhere. shot up through here across my chest and came out about right here. i had discoloration where it would have popped out. bill: lockley enders nearby helped helped him into an ambulance. he lost some feeling but is now doing okay and they don't think lightning will ever hit that guy again. martha: he is a lightning magnet, that man. all right, you're going to love this story. a new tax proposal that could soon let uncle sam physically track every mile that you drive. i drive a lot of miles. it is going to be really tearing. and then they're going to charge you for how much you are driving. several states are considering putting little black boxes near
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the dashboard that would clock where potentially and how much you drive reedit and then use that information to tax you on how much or how little you drive the end the economic writer at the "wall street journal" and president and ceo of their chronic systems. the company that deals with these type of wireless devices. i am reading this morning shaking my head. this is the most orwellian thing i've ever heard in my life. you take the first crack here. >> you know, if we had this kind of technology the government would know where you went, where heather went. where i went. it makes me queasy that the government can essentially track your whereabouts. we already have a way we pay for our driving and that is a gasoline tax. it works pretty well. you are charged gasoline tax for using the roads, don't see any
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problem with it. we are moving more toward a tolling system where you pay the toll when you use the road, but this idea of a black box on your car where the government knows how much you drive and it can track where you drive. that goes too far for me. martha: it is incredible. anybody who lives in this city area goes through the tall, i'm already paying for the highways. first, let's talk about the technology. what would it be able to show about our lives? >> really is can track your whereabouts so if you are driving everyday on the highway, they can see where you are going, how long you have been so that is a privacy issue. i have concerns with that. imagine you did not pay your mileage tax for some reason or another. can they shut your pie o power ? martha: we just had the senator
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here, he says we waste $42 billion per year in the government, so i am saying why on earth would we need another tax when we are wasting $42 billion per year? they're telling us they don't have enough money to fix the highways, steve? >> the other element of this is when you talk to people, they say look, this will be used for innocent purposes, it will not be abused. we will use it to track how much people are driving and charge them. when we think about the last year, the nsa story, the irs abuses, does anybody really have trust this technology would not be abused? i don't think very many people feel comfortable about it. a lot of people on the left who want to limit the amount of driving that you can do because they think the car pollutes and causes all kinds of different problems.
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martha: is this technology ready to go? a whole other government agency, now you're talking about another layer of government folks out there. >> absolutely. tracking the whereabouts, where we are driving. managing people who want to hack this, how safe is that? very easy to hack into the government infrastructure. martha: if somebody is stalking you, they can hack into the system and follow you. i don't like this at all. but it is halloween so maybe it is all just a big joke. thank you. >> thank you. bill: going to follow you around. >> see where bill hemmer is really going on the weekend. bill: the golf course. jon scott is coming up, what is
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going on? >> i see the black helicopters over the studio. was the national security agency on a related note spying on u.s. allies like the leader of germany? german newspaper says yes. the nsa says no. new claims the president of the united states was kept in the dark of all of it. are the media giving president obama a pass on what he did and did not know? and say goodbye good night moon. adult classics like moby dick? a step in the right direction or a crazy idea? and utah doctor charged with killing his wife, the 12-year-old daughter will not testify about finding the body of her mother. is it a win for the prostitution a mac prosecution or will it affect the credibility? coming up. bill: we will see you then. one year ago tomorrow, super storm sandy made his way onshore
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leveling parts of the northeast. we will go live in a moment to see one of the hardest hit areas and see what has recovered at all 12 months later. (dad) put it in cond, put it in second. (dad) slow it down. put the clutch in, break it, break it. (dad) st like i showed you. dad, you didn't show me, you showed him. dad, he's gonna wreck the car! (dad) he's not gonna wreck the car. (dad) no fighting in the road, please. (d) put your blinker on. (son) you didn't even give me a chance! (dad) ok. (mom vo) we got the new subaru because nothing could break our old one. (dad) ok. (son) what the heck? let go of my seat! (mom vo) i hope the same goes for my husband. (dad) you guys are doing a great job. seriously. (announcer) love a car that lasts. love. it's what makes subaru, a subaru. ugh! actually progresso's soup has pretty bold flavor. i love bold flavors! i'd love it if you'd open the chute! [ male announcer ] progresso. surprisingly bold flavor for a heart healthy soup.
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>> the water was fast. i woke up in the middle of the night and i looked out of the window and it was churning up. >> than 30 minutes the front yard was covered in water. all up the driveway, a whole thing was covered. >> this is memories and generations just washed away. bill: that was during the early hours before they really knew the extent of this damage. heartbreaking moments now in the aftermath of sandy. that's super storm left part of the northeast ruined.
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now a year later people still say they are struggling to get back to normal and they had not gotten the help they want. elizabeth macdonald joins us live in one of the hardest hit areas in new york city. you are a money person first, how much is the government spend on sandy recovery? liz: good to be with you, bill hemmer. $4 billion to date. this cost the u.s. economy $65 billion in economic losses, and also we are seeing essentially news coming out of washington, d.c., the costs are increasing for flood insurance, right? so we have people finding out that i am in a flood place. they did not know it before. not just in the coastal areas here and the northeast, but rivers and lakes across the country. those costs are going up. they may delay the flood insurance increases. what you are looking at is this
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is the boardwalk, the iconic boardwalk torn apart like matchsticks. these are the areas people were risking each other with kayaks, canoes, surfboards to get out of these homes. this is a place where we saw speedboats ending up in kitchens, wave runners ending up in the bedrooms. just to the west of us breezy point is still in rehabilitation mode. 350 homes either flooded or burned to the west of here. back to you, we will be here live throughout the day. bill: elizabeth macdonald. martha: intrigue and mystery are swirling in washington right now. what did the president obama know about the nsa spying on german chancellor angela merkel and when did he know it? keep it right here for the answers. we will be right back.
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watch. oh! that's fun. like that. that is just good to watch. pumpkins scratching cars, pianos, out houses. all for the march of dimes. bill: there goes the out house. that is what we call smashing pumpkins. see you tuesday. martha, bye, everybody, see you tomorrow. jenna: right now breaking news on today's top headlines and brand new stories you will only see here. jon: a big new glitch knocks out the obamacare website, causing online enrollment for all 50 states. white house denies president obama knew big about the u.s. spying on germany's chancellor, saying it stop ad secret program to monitor foreign leaders over the summer. new revelations about the deadly terror attack on our consulate in because gauze. it is all happening now.
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