parker and olive and snickers, thank you very much for joining us. >> all right, kids. go crazy! the show is almost over! four seconds! go nuts! >> happy halloween! bill: i thought they were boston red sox players. this scarier. fox news another stunning revelation on the obamacare rollout. pressuring on insurance companies threatening to keep quiet about hundred of thousands health care plans that have been canceled, perhaps millions to go. good morning i'm bill hemmer on this halloween morning. >> that sounds creepier. i'm martha maccallum. president obama changed his tune on one of his most memorable promise. you remember this, when he said if you like your health plan you can keep it.

here is the president yesterday. >> if you're getting one of these letters, just shop around in the new marketplace. that is what it is floor. bill: that easy. jonah goldberg, editor-at-large, nationalreview.online, fox news contributor. good morn to you in washington de. >> good to be here. bill: it is like no one in washington doubts that there is pressure on these companies. what do you mean by that? >> you talk to the people in the industry you hear this kind of things. the simple fact this white house bullied reporters like no white house in modern memory. went after fox news from the beginning. it bullied ford motors, ford into pulling an ad about the bailout that they didn't like. so the idea that somehow they wouldn't intimidate the insurance companies who are on the hook for huge amounts client work with the federal government just doesn't, seems obvious. you talk to people around town and you hear complaints like

that constantly. bill: jay carney said it is preposterous and inaccurate. what did you think of his reput ball. >> like most of the things jay carney says these days. insurance companies are out there talking to the customers to expand health care, play blah. when the white house puting a gag order on someone. it doesn't you have to be absolutely mute. it means you can't say things we don't want you to say. that is what the insurance companies are being forced to do. they're not allowed to say what is really going on. not allowed to give their own numbers what is happening. not allowed to defend themselves from this new campaign of demonization. bill: what would be your solution for them? the insurance companies could speak with one voice, could they not? >> i don't have a huge amount of sympathy for the insurance companies. they made this bed. they're lying in it. this is one. props with crony capitalism, when you get in bed with the

government the government gets to call the shots. at the same time you know they esterday with obamaven more. in boston, talking about the bad apple insurance companies. trying to say, that i didn't break my -- we were trying to fix a problem the insurance companies created to give you better stuff. at some point they have to stop acting like battered spouses and stand up for themselves. bill: the insurance companies as you rightly point out the government is one of share big bankers now, let's face it. thank you, jonah goldberg leading the coverage. good to see you. martha has more on this. martha: we saw kathleen sebelius the other day. nobody seems to be answering the question how many people successfully signed up for obamacare. we're getting new numbers how many people are getting notices they're petting boot from the policies they have now. look at some of these. in california it is up to 900,000 people who have lost their insurance.

in georgia, 400,000. oregon, 150,000 have received those letters in the mail that are very disturbing. look at the map. from coast to coast all told numbers add up to 2 million americans now out of luck. they no longer have their current policy despite the promise, you know what, if you like your plan, like your doctor, none of that is going to change. the reality is turning out to be quite different. stuart varney joins me, host of "varney & company" on the fox business network. stuart, really there is a ripple effect of this in the economy already, right? >> in my opinion obamacare is far worse for the economy than the shutdown. the economy is already slowing down, president obama will blame the shutdown but reality obamacare will do far more damage certainly long term. martha, you just outlined millions of people who had their policies canceled, maybe millions more to come. most of those people will pay a

great deal more in monthly premiums and certainly deductibles, that is money sucked out of consumers wallets. many of these cancellations are going to small business owners. they have their cost structure go straight up. they will be hiring less. they will be expanding less. as i said it is already happening. number of part-time workers in the economy is growing. the number of full-time workers, people are not prepared to hire more than 50 full-timers. that affects hiring overall. the economy is slowing. this is happening the worst possible time, martha. martha: big implications on the hiring side clearly on that. also on the personal side, stuart, people are finding out, we'll have a woman later on the show who used to pay $200 a month for her policy. now she will pay $400 a month. obviously that is list desposable income in people's pockets that makes a difference. >> we have same thing on "varney & company." we asked people to send us their stories. the overwhelming majority,

people are at least doubling their payments. some of the payments they have to make, they have gone out of sight. that is money sucked out of consumers wallets. a big deal. martha: white house says some of the people will get subsidies, they don't realize it yet. we'll see if that turns out to be the case. stuart, thank you. see you later. bill: when the president was in boston changing his tune, health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius was finishing her testimony on the hill under fire taking responsibility for this obamacare rollout. here is part of what happened during those hours. >> i'm as frustrated and aigry as anyone with the flawed launch of healthcare.gov. so let me say directly to these americans. you deserve better. i apologize. i'm accountable to you for fixing these problems. >> while i think it is great that you're a team player you're taking responsibility it is the president's ultimate responsiblity, correct? >> you clearly, whatever.

>> let me tell you what you did. you allowed the system to go forward with no encryption on backup systems. they had no encryption on certain boundary crossings. you accepted a risk on behalf of every user this computer that put their personal financial information at risk because you did not even have the most basic end to end tests on security of this system. amazon would never do this. pro flowers would never do this. kayak would never do this. this is completely an unacceptable level of security. >> do you agree with this kind of advertising for obamacare? >> i can't see it. again -- >> it's a college student doing a keg stand. >> if colorado exchange did that -- >> do you approve of this kind of advertising? do you approve of this kind of advertiseing? >> i don't see it. i don't know what it is. i did not approve it. that is state-based. >> that is pretty big picture of a keg.

>> will you tell the american public yes, i will go into the exchanges next year like everyone else? >> sir, the way the law is written -- >> yes or no. say you're wrong, on that, yes or no, will you, yes or no. >> i will not give disinformation to the american public. >> you what? >> i don't want to get disinformation. >> i want you to do research, if you're wrong will you go into the exchanges -- >> if you can will you? that's a yes or no? if you can will you? >> i will take a look at it. >> that is not an ends. >> marsha blackburn was also on the committee asking why obamacare should be allowed to decide what plan is best for americans. we'll talk to her a little later this hour. there is word from the white house today that it is satisfied with the testimony brought kathleen sebelius yesterday. what do you think? were you satisfied? @marthamaccallum, @billhemmer. that is our twitter question of the day. martha: their story right now, bill, clearly you just have to wait. some of you will get subsidies

you don't realize you're going to get. the these gaps being dropped on your policy and successfully being able to get one. they're urging caution, hold, hold, like "braveheart." we'll see what really happens here. meantime look at president's approval ratings. they have sunk to a new low amid the uproar over the sum belled rollout of obamacare. take a look. "nbc news-wall street journal poll", 42% approve of the job the president is doing. that is down five points in last two weeks. 51% disapprove with his job in office. that is a tie with mr. obama's all-time high. bill: fox news alert. there are new allegations of nsa snooping on line. "the washington post" reports that the nsa tappers are secretly tapping into google and yahoo! data centers and snagging emails. nsa chief denies the claims. liz bet plan is live in washington.

what private information nssa said to be gathering, elizabeth? >> reporter: we're dealing with companies in the past that have been subjected by court order to provide the information but here there is allegedly no permission. look at the to understand what they're supposedly collecting. see where the information flows between our electronics and those enormous data centers. the information can be shared to one data cloud to perhaps another data hub. that is example of the point where and how the nsa allegedly breaks into those up ternnal networks. they're collecting metadata. we know this. information which would indicate who sent or received emails, when that occurred and content meaning it a text, a audio file or could be a video file. bill: what are the companies saying about that? reaction from them is what? >> reporter: we're seeing media reports companies like google they're surprised that the agency tapped internal communications links between its data center and let's say yahoo! if you log on to yahoo!'s

transparency page yahoo! joined no program to volunteer user data to the government. government data requests be made through lawful means and lawful purposes. unlike the court-approved program we heard so much, prism, this program is called muscular. it occurs from undisclosed intersection points. bill: elizabeth plan, thank you for the story. we're covering that a little later today out of washington. martha. martha: we have a jam-packed show for you today including the big night in beantown. >> it hasn't happened in fenway park for 5 years! red sox are world champions. martha: have that line ready to go. they poured on to the field. the red sox clinched their third world series title since 2004 and first at home game they won the world series at in almost a century. the celebration, folks, they were all over the place in

boston last night. we are live this morning from fenway park. bill: i owe you a month's clam chowder. i will pay up. so get hungry, girl. plus the bus driver with a heart of gold. >> ma'am -- >> [inaudible] >> ma'am? are you okay? bill: how one man foes well above the call of duty to save this woman, you'll see it. martha: do not miss video. that is coming up. >> did president obama knowingly mislead americans when he repeatedly said if you liked your health care you had nothing to worry about, you could keep it. bill o'reilly wants to know. >> did the president mislead the country? absolutely, no question about it. did know he was misleading it? maybe. most likely. did he lie? the day we rescued riley,

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>> if you have one of these substandard plans before the affordable care act became law, and you really liked that plan, you were able to keep it. that's what i said when i was running for office. that was part of the promise we made. but ever since the law was passed, if insurers decide odd to downgrade or cancel these substandard plans, what weigh said under the law you have to replace them with quality, comprehensive coverage because that too was a central premise of the affordable care act from the very beginning. bill: from boston yesterday, president obama now responding to all the criticism that he misled americans with that promise, after insurance companies started canceling hundreds of thousands of plans for everyday americans. bill o'reilly last night ask the question whether or not the president has been truliful. watch. >> president obama has a lot to lose.

if he did indeed tell outright lies to the american people, if fact he could be imfeeched. if that were proved beyond a reasonable doubt. why would the president risk that? the key question in this tense debate. bill: let's debate at that now, doug schoen former advisor to president clinton. monica crowley radio talk show host. both are fox news contributors. morning to both of you. >> good morning, bill. bill: this is important stuff here. what o'reilly is saying did he misleaded country? absolutely. did he lie? possible but the evidence is not conclusive. monica, you believe it is. go. >> you have to take a look at this particular lie in a broader context, bill because we certainly now have a pattern of behavior from this president. the irs scandal, benghazi, "fast & furious," the obamacare website, the list goes on and on every single time when brought to his attention or at least breaks loose in the public sphere and becomes news, the

excuse is, oh, it is the same. he just learned bit on television. he had no idea. we were told in 2008 that barack obama was most brilliant man to ever seek the office. now we're supposed to believe he never knows anything about anything. the cbo three days before obama signed obamacare into law alerted the white house, and i presume the president, that at least 8 million people in the individual market would be losing their policies. they knew full well, from the beginning that this was going to happen and still the president proceeded with the law. bill: you believe they never went public to correct the record because? >> well, he couldn't exactly tell the truth. if he went full-on socialist, if he went full on and told the american people the truth about his plans for socialized medicine in this country, would never get passed, could never maybe a lot of democrat support for it. so of course he had to -- bill: to be clear, that was when, they were voting on it 2010. you're three years removed from that and the question is why

would you not clarify since that time? monica, thank you. doug? that's a lot. >> monica says a lot and i'm not sure that the facts fully support the contention of lying. that there is ineptitude is almost certainly proven as charged. on lying, president ares pretty careful not to say things that they know are not true. i've worked in the white house, bill. i was there for six years advising bill clinton. there are times that presidents want to insulate themselves. now monica's right, there is a pattern of a president who is avoiding getting news and clearly insulating himself. bill: that is true. let me stop you, doug because you had three years to clear it up. >> that's correct. and what you heard yesterday was an artful dance around a very real problem. bottom line, the president didn't want to know clearly. the administration didn't clarify and what they're doing, bill is what you and martha said, they're trying to run out

of the clock, hope the website gets fixed, hope health care is provided. bill: you think he chose not to know? >> i think that's right. bill: monica, does that pass the test for you? >> not quite. remember there was a top "new york times" reporter just a couple weeks ago who described this white house and this president as ultimate control freak administration that he has ever seen. a control freak president would know what these this information especially on signature legislation. i just don't think this president is much concerned with details or frank lit truth. i think is what he really concerned with, bill, what he told us in 2008. he is really concerned with the fundamental transformation of the nation. even if he has to lie to get it done he will. bill: you know what is going to happen real soon? this will go out as a poll question. american people will judge this. doug, monica, thank you. 20 past. martha. martha: tennessee congresswoman marcia blackburn was one of the toughest questioners in the

hearing yesterday now why the government should decide for you if your health care plan that you liked is good you in for you. she will be here more on her exchange with kathleen sebelius. bill: also from last night party at fenway. you know i think boston, i think they're spoiled. they have won three world se in 10 years! martha: i know. bill: why don't we share the wealth a little bit, huh? redistribute -- martha: not in the mood to share anything at the moment. bill: red sox beat the cardinals last night in a city still recovering. remember this season started with the marathon bombings, and a year it has been for the folks of boston. nicely done. ♪ so i can reach ally bank 24/7, but there are no branches?

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bill: a bus driver's heroic act is caught on video. watch here. his name is darnell barton. he was driving across a bridge in buffalo, he noticed the woman standing on the wrong side of that guardrail. he stopped the bus and called out to her. >> ma'am? are you okay? >> [inaudible] >> ma'am, are you okay? ma'am, are you okay? ma'am? ma'am? are you okay? [inaudible] bill: that is something to watch.

see that woman climbing back over the rail. two of them sit down an talk until a corrections officer and counselor arrive. barton is being called a hero. says, he did what he had to do. he got a standing ovation when he came back on to the bus and sat down in the driver's seat because everybody on that bus is watching as you could hear. there are voices in the background. martha: he is a good man. you can tell he had such a warm way about him. he walked very calmly toward her. she turned right aarp and responded to him immediately and climbed back over the railing so. bill: you said a number of cars had driven by. martha: while she was standing out there. you just said that, everyone gave him a huge round of applause on the bus after he got back in. good for you and good story for all of us. pass it on, right? all right. here's another good story this morn fog are most people i es guess. >> it hasn't happened at fenway park for 95 years! the red sox

are world champions. martha: a lost happiness at fenway last night. boston strong from tragedy to triumph, from the bottom to the top for the boston red sox. they celebrated the first world series win at the fantastic fenway park. what a fantastic place that is to see a ballgame. they went right down to the finish line. all of us remember of course the moments of the boston marathon and what a difficult, dark, sad place that was for boston back in april. some fans could be seen kneeling down and kissing the finish line as all of this happened last night. as it unfolded. molly line is live from fenway park. it was a celebration, really a huge one for a city after they had experienced a lot of pain in the spring, molly. big night. >> reporter: absolutely, martha. really this season was made so much more meaningful and so much more poignant because of what happened here in april with the boston marathon bombing.

three people were killed. scores of others were scared and insured, many of people there at finish line to cheer on runners were boston red sox fans. the red sox played a morning game. a lot of fans cheered the runners at finish line, a short walk here from the park. the players throughout the season embraced the city and following of that, helped worked towards the healing process echoing the boston strong mantra throughout the season. last night as they were on the field celebrating, many of them spoke on that. boston strong, what the season meant to the players and city. including dustin pedroia, who helped lead the city from the begining. >> we got together at spring training. everybody cared about each other so much. the whole ride all year, the thing that, stuff that happened to this city, we wanted to do something special and make everybody happy and proud of their team. and in toughest of times.

hopefully we did that. >> reporter: tremendous amount of joy there in the ballpark last night, an electric feeling for those fans that had been so waiting very long to see this victory at home. martha? martha: molly, you have to love the beards on the players as well. big night at the green mon store there as well. great to see you. bill: great year for boston. cardinals had fantastic season. hats off to st. louis. martha: they did. bill: both teams won 97 games in the regular season. they were the best in national and american leagues. you got it right baseball. new accusations about stonewalling from the administration. our next guest says the administration doesn't want survivors of benghazi to talk. martha: secretary sebelius faced tough questions yesterday why the government should be allowed to decide which health plan you have to buy. congresswoman marcia -- marsha blackburn is here to reflect day

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bill: good money if you can get it. we're off 13 points right now. we'll watch it through the morning. 9:30 in new york. >> who is responsible for overseeing this project? is it you or your designee? >> let me be clear i'm not pointing fingers at verizon. i'm trying to explain the way the site operates. we own the site. the site has had serious problems. >> so who is in charge, madam secretary? >> the person now in charge as an integrator is qssi, one much our -- >> who was in charge as it was being built. >> the team was in charge as it was being built. >> who is was the one -- >> michelle snyder. >> michelle snyder is the one responsible for this debacle. >> excuse me congressman, michelle snyder not responsible. hold me accountable for the debacle. hold me responsible for the debacle. martha: that was one of the

hotter moments yesterday. marcia blackburn challenging sebelius on who should decide which insurance plans are best for you whether or not you should keep the plan you're on auto everybody was told they have the option. she is vice-chair of the house energy and commerce committee. ing congresswoman is in nashville for halloween and seeing grandkids. good to have you with us. >> thank you. martha: let me ask you this, were you, when you asked those questions, you know, who is responsible and, we heard several times kathleen sebelius say, i don't know, i can't answer that. i will get back to you. can americans count on that happening? will we know what the answers to those questions are? >> yes, we will. we'll be able to get the answers to those questions and, martha, one of the things that has perplexed us how disengaged, what a lack of compassion the witnesses seemed to show going through this entire process all the way back to march 2011 when we started. now to get the answers, what we will do is this, since we had

her under oath yesterday. today, she will be delivered a letter, which is a clear, articulation of specific items that we have requested and things that she said, i don't know, i'm going to have to follow up with you. so the committee will deliver to her a letter and say, this is what you're responsible for delivering to us and here is the deadline. and we will get that information within the next couple of weeks. we will have the secretary back before us. the first week of december is we continue conducting oversight to find out who knew what, when, where did all the money go, how much is this going to cost us. martha: it's a huge amount of money. if you think about it in corporate terms, any company that has spent hundreds of millions of dollars to get a website running would certainly be held accountable to their shareholders and many would lose their jobs. it would be considered probably something you wouldn't be able to overcome in the private sector. it appears that is not the case

in the public sector. >> that's right. >> what about the issue what they knew and when? we really didn't get to the bottom of this. at what point did kathleen sebelius understand, although they were saying october 1, we're ready to go even though that wasn't the case. why didn't she delay and why didn't she go to the president to say, we need more time? >> this is one of the points we were trying to get from her. we heard from the contractors that they told the infamous whomever at hhs, health and human services that they needed time for end to end testing. >> as you heard yesterday there was no really clearly defined person who was in charge. so therefore we think the secretary was not giving the president the amount of information he needed to implement his signature piece of legislation. so it's like they were rolling the dice. martha: yeah. >> and thinkings, okay, maybe if we get it out there the glitches

won't be that bad but the american public is very accustomed to shopping on aggregator websites. you have got plenty of them that are out there and to have such an abysmal experience where they want to take all of your private information first but he can even shop, and then, let you look at something but they won't give you the price of it. this is just not what people are accustomed to. martha: you know, let's take a listen to what kathleen sebelius said at another moment in this hearing. i want to revisit and get you to react to it. >> sure. >> sir, i was informed that we were ready to launch on october 1st. the contractors who we had as our private partners told us and told this committee that they had never suggested a delay and that is accurate. our cms team felt we were ready to go. i told the president that we

were ready to go. clearly i was wrong. martha: how does this happen? i mean how do you have all of these problems? and she says they were told they were ready to go. le also heard other things from the contractors. we heard there were concerns. they had never tested it end to end before. generally they have months to run these programs before they would want to do any kind of rollout like this, much less one that is 1/5 of the u.s. economy. >> that is specifically right and getting some more detail from her and contractors what we will spend the next few weeks doing because the contractors did say they laid out for them they needed time to do that testing. without having somebody who was serving as the general contractor, if you will, that needed to tie all of these pieces together, basically what you have is a program edited website, not a native programing or native coding website where

everything is integrated. and no one ever tied all of those loosened together so that when one of our constituents goes to that site to see what the cost of health care is going to be that they could find it. you can't do that even today. martha: congresswoman, i want to get one more question here to you. you talked about the red solo cup and crystal stem. that is perhaps the bigger picture. you have the website mechanics. you have reality you will be told what you have to buy an chances are it will be more expensive than what you had before, is that correct? >> that is correct and we are hearing it from hundreds of thousands of individuals across this country. their insurance has been terminate, policies have been canceled. they can no longer buy what they can afford and what they want. and we live in a country where if you want to drink out of a red solo cup or today an orange and black solo cup, or if you want to drink out of a crystal

stem, you have the opportunity to do that. you have the freedom to choose. and i tell you what, martha, i will always go to the mat and fight for freedom, free people, free markets around i think for the federal government to come in and take away the choice that people have had in the health caremarkket and say, hey, we don't like what you've been buying. we're going to make you buy this. what is the next thing going to be? you can't buy that solo cup? you can't buy an inexpensive blouse? you can't buy a pair of shoes that cost less than another pair? so do they think that the federal government is going to become the determiner of the cost and price and set prices of everything that you can buy at a quality point that they say is worthy? come on. this is absolutely ridiculous. i am not going to sit here and let them get by with this. we're going to continue our

oversight and holding them accountable. martha: all right. yeah, it sounds kind of crazy, but the questions you're raising are ones natural people's mind go to. what's next? we'll see. >> that's right. martha: congresswoman, always great to have you with us. bill: union pensioners in a bankrupt city set to pay the piper. how much of their retired money will they actually get? you got to hear this. more than a year later is the state department stonewalling on benghazi again? are the survivors of the attack still, it turns out not allowed to talk about what happened. >> why is it that we've asked for over a year for answers including to have the survivors made available to congress and that we've been stonewalled at every turn and most recent response from the state department is to stonewall us again? e gulf, bp had two big go: help the gulf recover and learn from what happened so we could be a better, safer energy company. i can tell you - safety is at the heart of everything we do.

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martha: boy, more tough news for the once great motor city. they are now facing grim new pension cuts as detroit

negotiates their bankruptcy proposal. the troubled city faces debt of up to $20 billion. think about that. now 21,000 retirees are going to be part of paying that price. the proposal would leave pensioners with 16 cents on every dollar that they were entitled to. retirees include police officers, firefighters, other municipal workers but not teachers the workers were promised $3.5 billion in pension benefits but turns out the city didn't actually have the money. bill: fox news report that is the administration is blocking access to survivors of benghazi saying there are quote, significant risks to having them testify. lindsey graham says he is not buying that. here is the senator from south carolina. >> you can not hide hyped a criminal investigation. that is not a good reason to deny the congress witness statements 48 hours after the attack. bill: that from yesterday. kt mcfarland, national security

analyst can. good morning to you. fbi investigation can not put witnesses in front of anyone to ask questions. what do you think of that. >> that is total baloney. benghazi terrorists are walking free in benghazi. they are not apprehended. they're not being brought to trial. there is no trial. there is no prosecution. as far as significant risk, to whom? to the survivors, what? do they think the terrorists will come and storm bethesda medical center to get at them. only significant risk if they come forward, survivors, tell the truth because their careers will be trouble because their bosses -- bill: you think, you don't buy this. the word you used is baloney. republicans think if they can talk to them and see the transcripts they will find what that night? >> i think what they will find there was cover-up from the beginning. after they got bin laden and it was al qaeda blindness. it was willful blindness.

they never allowed al qaeda existed. they had to make up something that it had nothing to do with al qaeda. it had a lot to do with a youtube video of the why was that? because there was election month later. bill: will show the youtube video was fabricated? what about the demonstration reported at one point? >> they will say from the very beginning it was a coordinated, well-executed, well-planned attack of terrorists on the american consulate in benghazi. bill: graham will not give this up. kelly ayote will not give up either. do you think they eventually get to them? >> i think what happens, the people, career civil servants, tell bense officers, soldiers who were there at the time, the special-ops guys, they will eventually come forward and say the truth. why? because they have saw their friend and colleagues die and they are still angry because nobody came to rescue them and they're still angry because, even at this date a year later nobody has gone after the terrorists. bill: 14 months later in fact.

there is another report out of washington that two special operations forces had arrived in benghazi in time, and actually engaged in this terrorist hit. what do you think about that? >> i think that is credible but we would like to hear from those people to find out what was the procedure? why were not, why were only two of them there. why were more of them not there? what was the situation they found on the ground? bill: what i'm seeing they were awarded medals for valor. this is the first i heard of this, kt. >> exactly. bill: somebody actually went there and responded. >> here is why you haven't heard about this. my guess when you get on award for valor that is something your military unit, army, whatever is giving you. not something a white house has to decide on. i suppose when the white house read this story about the two guys who got medals for valor they're probably scratching their heads saying who? we didn't know about that one. now brings the whole issue up again. there is that old saying when first, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to

deceive. that is what they are. bill: kt, thank you. >> thank you. bill: apparently some of these other special-ops, they were willing to go to benghazi that night and they were told to hang back in case there could be a second attack on the embassy in tripoli. according to this report, "washington times" -- >> some got out. bill: went to benghazi. more to come on this certainly. martha, what's next? martha: there is new video that has been released in the death of a teenager whose body was found rolled up in a gym mat. was there a conspiracy to cover up the cause of this young man's death? what his parents are now saying. >> we're happy to hear that we're one step closer to the truth. >> i believe he was murdered.

martha: there's new concerns about a possible cover-up in the mysterious death of a teenager. 17-year-old kendrick johnson's body was found rolled up in a gym mat at his school in january. the police called it an accidental suffocation. a georgia judge is now ordering the release of this school surveillance video you're looking at right now as kendrick's parents are pushing for a new investigation in this case. john roberts joins me now live from atlanta. john, what can you tell us about this? >> reporter: martha a real family tragedy no matter how much you cut it. january 11th the body of kendrick johnson was found rolled up in the mat. the doctor said they was victim of asphyxia by trying to get his shoe. family won a big victory in court yesterday when the valdosta judge ordered sheriff to release surveillance from in

and around the high school gym. seven images show kendrick johnson entering gym. new video added shows other students playing basketball about same time. second video shows another angle of johnson walking down the hall into the gym, what was last time he was seen alive. johnson's parents truly believe their son was killed and that officials are covering it up. they hope the entire video record will give them answers how their son ended up in that mat. >> it's a shame that you know, someone would want to do this to a child and then for the people to try to cover it up, it doesn't make sense. i mean to a child, come on. >> as a mom i want to know what happened to my child. why this happened and why they're not doing nothing. >> reporter: a lot more video from that day is going to be released. it is being compiled. it should come out in the next few days. i talked to the attorney for the sheriff's department who told me believes, there is quote, no smoking gun in that video as to how kendrick died.

martha? martha: boy, it raises so many questions, john. what a mystery this story is. the parents are not the own ones who are saying this whole story really does not add up. >> reporter: there are a lot of things that don't add up. first of all the second autopsy that found he died from a cause different than the state coroner found. also the fact that when his body was exhumed for that second autopsy, his internal organs were missing and body was stuffed with newspaper. the georgia bureau of investigation swears that the organs were with the body when it left the crime lab back in january but the funeral home director sent the family letter saying organs were not there when he received the body. this is the family ace attorney. >> that really what captivated the attention of so many. we've been told a story that just doesn't make sense. >> reporter: family is asking for a coroner's inquest. the decision on that will be made monday. they want the u.s. attorney in make con to look into it.

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martha: well, the president's approval rating tanks as he doubles down on a promise he made over and over again. welcome, everybody, to a brand new hour of "america's newsroom." i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hemmer, it's halloween -- martha: it sure is. bill: this might scare you. "wall street journal" poll reports this, the president's approval rating dropped five points over the last two weeks. that's at an all-time low, that's real close to what we put out a week ago at 41%. his disapproval's at all-time

lows. now this health care rollout, ed henry, seems to be on the back of the president. >> reporter: that's right, bill. if you looked at the polls right after the shutdown, all sides took a hit because it was about washington dysfunction, but certainly republicans took a bigger hit over the shutdown. that momentum for the president pleatly stalled -- completely stalled. it confirms what fox news polling had last week. bottom line, it's beyond the internet issues, it's the credibility issue of the president out there three years ago selling this as if you like your plan, you can keep it. we've seen now that's not true for everybody. the president you see yesterday in boston backtracking. >> now, if you had one of these substandard plans before the affordable care act became law and you really liked that plan, you were a able to keep it. that's what i said when i was running for office. that was part of the promise we made.

but ever since the raw was passed -- the law was passed, if insurers decided to downgrade or cancel these substandard plans, what we said is under the law is you've got to replace them with quality, comprehensive coverage. >> reporter: the president also saying the vast majority of people will be able to keep their plans, obviously, different than what he said three years ago. the white house is also stressing anybody who had a specific plan, these individual insurance plans, before he signed the bill into law in march of 2010, you're grandfathered in. the problem, of course, is moving forward. between 2010 and now if you signed up for one of those plans, you're out of luck. bill: what are republicans saying about this? the grandfather clause, right? >> reporter: right. and that is legislation pushed by various republicans, but interesting, now some democrats like mary landrieu saying they may get on board here as well with this thing which would basically be grandfather more people in, not just the people who had individual plans

pre-2010, the people who got these plans between 2010 and now. that's not something the white house wants to do, but republicans like ron johnson say it's the right thing to do for americans. take a listen. >> it was totally false advertising, so we're actually going to put in a true grandfather plan that if you have a health care plan today and you like it, you can actually keep that plan. brian, unfortunately, we can't save those plans for every american short of repealing the law, but we sure can make sure that president obama honors that promise to millions of americans. >> reporter: so, you see, the republican view this which more important moving forward is if you have democrats like mary landrieu up for re-election in 2014 facing the voters on this issue, they start getting onboard, that gives that issue more momentum against the president. bill: okay, ed, thanks. here's martha. martha: so when it comes to health care, it sounds like the president is saying that the government knows what's best for you, and you should just accept

that. the chris stirewalt is fox news digital politics editor and host of "power play" on foxnews.com. good morning to you. good to have you here. this is one of the things reverberating from all of this, because we remember the process, you know? going through the supreme court, the question of can you be forced to buy something, and we were told this will not force you to buy anything, and if you like what you've got, you can keep it. now we are hearing very clearly from the president in boston yesterday, look, if you have substandard -- that was definitely the buzz word of the day, right? -- if you have a substandard plan, we're going to save you, right? >> right. if you're dumb enough to buy terrible insurance but like it anyway, i guess we can't stop you from buying terrible, awful insurance because it's awful. what the president is telling the american people is, essentially, this: if you thought you liked your health insurance but you really shouldn't have liked your health insurance, you can't keep it. that's a big difference from this x the other thing the

president said was now you have a right to health insurance. you may not have actual health insurance anymore, but now you have a right to health insurance, and it will eventually work itself out through the law, so people should just go and wait until the web site boots back up, sign on and eventually get superior insurance to what they had. martha: their putting -- they're puts a lot of eggs in this basket when you look at everything that's going on with this web site, and we all talked for months that the web site might not be ready. so now you've got this, the president saying hold on. it's like a braveheart moment, hold, hold, hold -- [laughter] and wait because it's going to be okay. that's a lot of eggs to put in that basket. >> that's a lot of braveheart eggs in one scottish basket. but the thing is while this is going on, the irony, washington so replete with ironies as it relates to this health care law, but today as the president is telling millions of americans or just got done telling millions

of americans it seems bad that you can't get online to sign up for the thing that i say is better, but it's going on okay, while that's going on, members of his party are in congress debating whether or not they're going to exempt their own staffs from this law. and it is no wonder that public estimation of the government and the president and this law stink. martha: yeah. i mean, that is incredible, right? so protect your own. make sure the staff doesn't have to deal with this, because we're all hearing -- and we're going to talk to a woman who was pushed off her plan. she doesn't qualify for the subsidy, she's just above that, and she's going to tell her story, and everybody needs to stick around for it, because it's amazing. politically it's getting interesting. mary landrieu is saying i'm coming up with a bill that's going to protect you so that you are going to be able to hold on to your plan if you want it and get a delay for this. the president's had some serious defectors in his own party. >> this is a president who was born, raised, educated and

elected in deep blue states. this is not a president who knows how to deal with moderate democrats or, certainly, republicans. no republican votes for the health law. this is a guy who doesn't know how to deal with it, and when faced with crisis, where did he go? he went to boston and talked about how liberal the law was and all that stuff. where he should have been was helping out people like mary landrieu or talking about what's moderate or sensible or useful about the law or talking about how he might keep some of that promise he made instead of going and talking about health insurance as a right and how the government was going to save you. martha: democratic scramble in a lot of states on an effort to try to change this thing and make their voters happier as it goes to 2014. chris, thank you so much. we'll see you later. >> yes, ma'am. martha: sign up for fox news first, foxnews.com/foxnewsfirst. you'll get chris' wisdom every morning. bill: oh, and he has a lot of

that. thank you, chris. so what is your take at home? if you're watching at the office or at home or on your mobile device, what do you think about the president's claims? send us a tweet, @billhemmer. twitter lines are open, as we like to say. and let me tell you, put something out there, you respond. so we're watching for a reaction. martha: hearing all kinds of good stuff, so keep those coming to our twitter accounts, and in the meantime -- bill i'll bill today's the deadline for lawmakers to decide whether or not to take the subsidies for their employees and for themselves under obamacare. this is seen as an example of congress leving by the motto do as i say, not as i do. mike emanuel's live on the hill with that. what are they going to do? >> reporter: well, bill, good morning. this comes as kentucky senator rand paul is proposing a constitutional amendment to, essentially, say that congress, its staff, the president, supreme court justices, everybody should live under the law as the american people are forced to do so. it obviously has a very high

threshold, but obviously, senator paul is making his point. this comes as lawmakers are faced with that decision, do i put my staff on the obamacare exchanges here in d.c., or do i argue that they deserve an exemption? those who have fought obamacare are clearly not happy. >> services in this building said to my staff don't buy the health insurance at healthcare.gov because once you go in, you can't get out. you might remember there's a cockroach product, a remover of cockroaches? it was called the roach motel. and their saying was once you get in the roach motel, once you get in, you can't get out. well, that's the way it is with the obamacare plan. >> reporter: the way it stands now, leadership and committee aides are exempt. the question is whether these lawmakers who are leadership will also try to bring their personal staff under that umbrella. bill: what about getting other top government officials to sign

up for obamacare? >> reporter: a lot of people arguing that the president should live under it, the chief justice should live under it, and there are those who are trying to recruit the secretary of health and human services to join. >> you're the architect of the whole program, and you won't go it -- into it with the -- >> i did not say that, sir, i think it's illegal -- [inaudible conversations] >> come on in, the water's fine. >> reporter: a lot ofize -- of eyes are on the democratic leadership side to see if they will actually allow their employees to go on to the exchanges or whether they will exempt them. bill: mike, thanks. we'll watch it. i mean, why just roll a computer in the office and sign on up, log in, show everybody how easy it is. martha: just like buying a book on amazon.com. bill: right. everybody that's got a computer -- martha: check out all the choices --

bill: we'll bring our camera. we'll give you the exclusive here on "america's newsroom." martha: this woman, she liked her health care, and she thought she could keep it, but then she got a letter in the mail. we're going to introduce you to one of the more than two million people who say that their health care is now completely unaffordable for them. bill: also new details on this investigation into the entire obama rollout. have a listen here. >> we've subpoenaed the documents to get to the facts. the truth is with the other ten, we're helping the documents will get us where we want. what we want to know is all the decisions that went into this failed site. bill: darrell issa set to reveal more subpoenas for the first time, and you will hear that live from him. martha: big story today, flash floods forcing dozens of rescues in one state as families are forced out of their homes. we'll tell you where that is happening. >> want to know if we wanted to leave or not. so my daughter -- [inaudible]

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bill: here's an interesting move, maybe you're watching this on the airplane right now, the faa has just announced it will okay the electronic devices being used during takeoff and landing. you know, all the time the flight attendants saying shut that thing off, mr. baldwin. martha: yeah, he got in big trouble for that. bill: now they're going to change the rule, a big deal going back to 9/11. they'll leave the final decision up to the airlines or up to alec baldwin -- martha: vindication, right? all right. well, there are reports that millions of americans will likely lose their health plan because of the obamacare plan. insurance companies already canceling hundreds of thousands of plans that they say are substandard. they promise you're going to get something you can

log on to the web site, and who knows when that will be an easy thing to do, but my next guest says she was perfectly happy with her insurance plan, but now it is gone. she got a letter, it's gone as of december 13th. her new policy, she was told, will be double the price, and it includes benefits that she says she does not need. betty tatter joins me now. good to have you with us today. >> good morning, martha. thank you. martha: so you say, look, i'm one of those people who liked my plan. did you believe the president when he said if you like your plan, you're going to be able to keep it? >> i did. i absolutely believed him. and i was completely comfortable until october 1st when i got the letter, you know, that my insurance is no longer available. martha: and what did your insurance company tell you about your options at that point? >> well, my options are to pick, you know, any other plan that they have available, but all of the plans that they have available are completely unaffordable to me. they're double, if not more than what i'm paying right now.

martha: what are you paying now, the if you don't mind my asking, and what would that next plan up cost you? >> my current policy is $454 a month. the least expensive option was $873 a month. martha: so the 450 plan, in that neighborhood s the one that the government has now decided is substandard. they say, you know what, betsy? you might like your plan, but we do not think this plan is good enough for you, right? >> correct, correct. martha: and you were covered for, what, many in your plan? is it catastrophic plan? and what kinds of things would you be getting in the new plan that you might not need, you say? >> there's only two new things, and one of them is peld dottic densitily. i have no small children, so i have no need, and the other -- i'm trying to think -- martha: maternity? yeah. >> you know, i'm past child-bearing years, so i don't

need maternity as well. martha: so you don't want that package. basically, you have no alternative, and the government is telling you that you don't have the option to keep that you've got. so what are you going to do? >> correct. well, that's just it, marta that, i feel like i've been put into a sofie's choice kind of position, you know? do i insure one member of my family? two members? can i afford to do two members or none of us? i have a feeling that at the end of this year, we will be without health insurance. martha: wow. i mean, that is clearly not the way that this was supposed to work. have you been able to get on to the web site and look at the options, you know, to your satisfaction? >> yes, i did. i got on to the web site. it took about a week and a half, but i got on to the web site. martha: wow. >> honestly, there is a policy that i could afford, i could stretch my budget to afford a policy, but the deductible is $12,700. i don't have $12,700 to pay for a deductible on obamacare. martha: wow. yeah, those are not good

numbers. that is not math that a lot of folks, i'm sure, you're so not alone on this. you know, when you think about the big picture, you know, and sort of what you thought the president meant when he talked about -- were you in favor of the plan when you first started to hear about it? >> well, not so much that i was in favor, that i was afraid i was going to lose the coverage that i had. i was promised that i could keep my coverage, and he flat out lied. and i don't appreciate that. and i would, really i would like to know how my federal tax dollars, you know, fund his insurance policy, how he can turn around and fine me for not purchasing something i can't afford in the first place. martha: yeah, and now there's -- >> it doesn't add up. martha: -- members of congress are trying to make sure their employees are dwrfed in. >> absolutely. martha: that whole issue, as well, is a real red herring as it turns out. it felt like some of these

so-called substandard plans if you got them before the law was passed, that you would be able to keep that plan. but it looks like in the law it's very easy to become ungrandfatherred because the plans seem to sort of change a little bit all the time, right? >> exactly. and even, you know, having private health insurance they increase the premiums every so often, and so we would have to either increase our deductible or whatever, and i have a feeling that's what happened to us. we had to increase our deductible to $5,000 to be able to afford the premium. and because we did that, now my policy is not available anymore. martha: that is the trigger. so anybody who has changed their policy even the slightest bit who's out there, like you, who thinks, well, my plan's not going to change because i like my plan -- >> right, right. martha: -- you have sort of jumped that trigger and thrown yourself into the abyss, some might say, because you're going to be forced to look around and find, you know, something that you think might work for you. you know, i mean --

>> well, the problem is that i make a little too much money to be eligible for any kind of, you know, break on the premiums, but i don't make enough that i can afford the full price policy. so i sort of fall between the cracks, i guess. martha: how do do you feel about the fact that so many people are getting exemptions? they're making the same argument to the government, unions and certain states and entities, and they're saying, you know what? you're okay. you get a pass. >> yeah, that doesn't sit well with me. [laughter] martha: betsy, thank you very much. >> obviously. martha: we wish you luck, and keep in the touch with us. let us know how it's going, and if it turns out to be better than you thought, we'd like to know that too. >> absolutely. martha: best of luck. you're not alone, if that's any consolation. >> thank you. martha: bye-bye, betsy. >> thank you. bill: another green company that received millions in government money and then went bankrupt. and an update as to why you may not see much of this hot

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martha: if you like it hot, listen up. a judge is set to make a decision in a fight over hot sauce. one southern california city sued to shut down production of the chili sauce factory because of the smell. they complain that the pepper and the garlic fumes were giving them big, fat headaches. the company says it is trying to find ways to stop the smell. ♪ bill: a government-supported solar company left taxpayers picking up the tab, and

according to a new report, abound solar also left behind a toxic dump of water of cancer-causing agents. abound solar got $400 million in federal loan guarantees back in 2010. two years later, it filed for bankruptcy. the federal government losing a total of $70 million in backing that failed company. cheryl casone, fox business network, with us to tell us what's happening here. two years, that's a burn rate that's hard to match. big loss for taxpayers, obviously. >> yes, absolutely. bill: what are you finding about the idea of solar power and whether or not this works economically? >> well, look at what has happened with abound solar facility in colorado. it's going to cost, as you said, almost $4 million to clean this thing up. it's in bankruptcy court, the landlord is fighting with regulators about the cleanup, nobody wants to clean up the facility because of the toxins, because of the concern that anybody that cleans it up is

going to get cancer. that's about a $4 million price tag, and overall solar does create waste. toxic waste is a part of creating solar panels and making solar panels. bill: it's ironic, isn't it? >> isn't it? we're supposed to be saving the environment. bill: green energy. broken glass, contaminated water, what's the hold up here? nobody wants to get their hands dirty? >> nobody want toss clean this thing up, again, because of the concern to humans. but overall, the model isn't working. here's what happened, the administration went too fast too far. they wanted to get the green energy initiative out, that was one of the big platforms of president obama, but they did it -- it's almost like the health care rollout. they really didn't do the correct research, and the chinese swooped in, and they're killing us -- bill: they are? >> absolutely. cheaper and faster without the regulations that we have -- bill: so when it comes to the industry of solar power, there are winners -- >> sure.

bill: a lot of losers, but apparently it's beijing. >> exactly. they're making all of the cash. and look, overall solar and wind is still a minute, small part of overall energy production. we still run on oil, natural gas. that is not going to change for the next 20 years. but what the rollout of the epa initiatives, in my opinion, was the problem was that they didn't effectively look at the cost, the environmental costs which is what we're finding out today with this study on this colorado plant and abound solar, but they didn't look at the long-term financial implication of cleaning up solar production. and americans don't want to use it. bill: that's an interesting update. let us know when they clean the joint up, will you? >> certainly. bill: thank you, cheryl. martha, what's next? martha: well, getting to the bottom of the obamacare rollout. darrell issa is here with new subpoenas that are about to go out, and he's going to tell us something you haven't heard on this. bill: google is apparently behind this mysterious floating

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healthcare.gov. congressman darrell issa is my guest on the hill, sir, welcome back to "america's newsroom." >> thanks for having me back, bill, and thanks for covering the continued need to get to the bottom of what's wrong with obamacare. bill: we're trying to figure out, you know, how this whole thing happened. and issume that's the purpose for the subpoena. >> oh, absolutely. bill: what are you trying to figure out? >> well, bill, lead contractors explained to us and delivered us documents showing that they warned the administration that there were serious problems, that they weren't ready, and those warnings were, obviously, ignored. what we haven't received and have asked for, senator alexander and myself, for approximately a month is the internal documents showing how they handled those warnings. and as you heard earlier just before in the, senator -- former senator now, vice president biden said, well, he didn't know, and he's not a geek. you don't have to be a rocket scientist to ask the question is the rocket going to get off the pad, and in this case the administration was warned it

would not launch, and they launched it anyway. bill: okay. now, if you get the subpoenas to go through, what do you think it tells you? >> well, what we want to know is where the wheels came off this particular entire program. obviously, the web site being first, but only the tip of the iceberg. and the important thing i think that you have to understand is they were warned it wouldn't work. they were also undoubtedly warned about other things that wouldn't work, but they didn't heed the warnings, and if they didn't tell the vice president and they didn't tell the president, the question is, who did they tell, and who made the decision not to inform the administration to go forward, not to accept a short delay that was offered repeatedly by house republicans to get it right? more importantly -- bill: listen, let me, let me stop you right there. be they knew that, why would -- if they knew that, why would they go forward? i mean, this is the biggest thing they've done in five and a half years. i mean, what makes sense? >> well, this is the president's

signature legislation, and if he hasn't created a culture that says bring me the bad news not just the good news, that may be the reason they decided to go forward, is nobody was willing to tell the president that there was a serious problem in his signature legislation. but that's still a management failure for secretary sebelius and everyone that works for her. you've got to be willing to tell your boss, and your boss has to create an environment in which you don't just take the applause and the accolades for what works, but you actually look at what isn't working. and in this case, there were serious problems in the affordable care act that also include people losing health care that were promised they could keep it and a myriad of other cost increases, and we want to make sure that we have an honest report to the president and an honest report to congress. bill: you just used the phrase "management failure," and there's this company a lot of folks are going to learn a lot about, it's called qssi, that's the acronym for this company, okay? before we go on with that, you mentioned the vice president also. this is what he told cnn about the rollout.

>> the president, to his credit, almost seven weeks out, are we ready? and to be told by the pros, yeah, this looks like it's all ready to go, and neither he or i are technology geeks, and we assumed that it was up and ready to run. bill: he said neither he nor i are technology geeks. this is a president that fought to keep control of his own blackberry when he was sworn into office. now, do you know today whether or not joe biden or the president called someone into their office and said fire this thing up and show me how it works? did that happen? >> as far as we know, there were no live tests done or demonstrations for the president. and the demonstrations that were done showed failure. now, perhaps seven weeks out when he asked somebody said, yes, sir, three bags full. however, four weeks -- three weeks out it was very clear that

written and oral communications were occurring from lead vendors, cgi in this case, saying we're not ready, we need more testing. and, bill, remember the important thing is not just that you don't get through to the web site, it's that the security of your confidential information are also at risk for lack of testing. bill: qssi? what is that? >> well, quality -- no, qssi is a division of nighted health. they've been given a large lead contract and, in fact, they're not cooperating. we had to subpoena -- bill: they're not. but are they the ones that are running the web site right now? are they the ones responsible for the repairs? >> they are. they're the lead agency working -- or lead contractor, and they went silent almost immediately. out of 11 lead contractors, we asked questions of them and high-tech companies, all were cooperating except this particular company. they wouldn't even answer questions about certain

executives that work for them. bill: one final question. when will you get the answer to the subpoenas you're after here? >> we expect to have compliance within just a few days. we've made it clear to the administration that this is a priority. we can't wait until after november 30th to see whether this works or not because americans are being disenfranchised every day. health care is getting worse. bill: sir, thank you for your time. >> thank you, bill. bill: darrell issa from the hill, we'll speak again. martha: all right, so what's in a name? plenty for the san francisco chronicle. it is now joining a growing list of newspapers p that will no longer use the name redskins when referring to the washington's nfl team. the newspaper's managing editor says, quote: martha: from now on the newspaper in mot cases will simply refer to the

team as washington. what do you think? bill hemmer? bill: i think there is growing support and pressure to change the name. martha: i think that's very true. bill: and i think, you know, whether you're a redskins fan or not, it's just a question of time whether you own the team or it's the commissioner, roger goodell, who forces your hand. you know how this stuff works. martha: i sure do. bill: the more attention it gets, eventually the pressure's too high -- martha: i had a redskins pin that had the two ribbons and a rabbit's foot hanging from it? i'm sure that would be really popular now. bill: keep that, okay? it's going to be valuable someday. martha: i think it might be. all right, so has the media coverage of obamacare and this presidency, in fact, started to change? howard kurtz watches these things closely, so he will tell us whether he thinks the honeymoon may be over. and nasa's intergalactic discovery, a whole new world out there -- bill: hot dog.

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health care pledge. >> if you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. [applause] if you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan, period. martha: the president's apparently been saying that since before he had any gray hairs, right? it's been quite a while. he is now changing his tune, though, on that promise. he's now saying that if you lose your plan, you should, quote, just shop around for another policy, because it's going to be better than the one that you have. that is what the white house is saying. we'll see if it turns out to be true, and i'm joined by howard kurtz, fox news media analyst. >> good morning, martha. martha: the so-called mainstream media is starting to turn on this president. how do you back that up? >> a lot of examples, martha. there's been a dramatic shift in

tone in the coverage of president obama. it started with the botched obamacare rollout and the coverage turned very aggressive. the clip you just played has become this president's read my lips, no new taxes in that, obviously, it's more complicated, but you can't just keep your plan because many of these are deemed substandard under obamacare. but i would say it's even broader than health care, martha. when "the wall street journal" reported the other day that the nsa conducting surveillance of allies like germany's angela merkel and the president said not to know about this, that created a whole spate of stories, analyses, blog posts about a disengaged president. martha: yeah. you know, you look at history, and you sort of seize on the appointments that really changed things -- on the moments that really changed things for better or worse for presidents, presidential candidates. health care in particular, it took hillary clinton a long time to shake the legacy of the health care plan, and that one didn't even get off the ground. so the question that comes up is how devastating is this truly to his presidency overall?

>> well, you know, some of these controversies the president said he didn't know the details of, the irs scandal, for example, the surveillance of journalists, for example, you know, they tend to burn rather brightly, and then maybe they fade, and the average person doesn't remember. i think this combination here of health care, nsa spying, a president not seeming to be on top of either one has the potential to be sort of like katrina was for george w. bush. i'm not comparing them, obviously, people died in that storm, but i don't think that president bush was ever viewed quite the same way after he did the whole heck of a job brownie thing in the fifth year of his presidency. and there's a dangerous here for this president who's now down in the polls that his image could be indelibly changed by this much more critical media coverage of these problems. martha: yeah, you know, it's very interesting to watch democrats, howard, talking about this issue. and in some ways, you know, you see some democrats pulling away from this president. they're trying to secure their own re-election prospects in

their own communities and come up with plan that might pacify people a little bit, and you look down the road and wonder are his supporters starting to kind of pull away? are they starting to turn the wagons away from him in a way that will stick? and i wonder, you know, how long it takes to kind of figure that out. is it the next election cycle? is that very significant in terms of how much this sticks to him? >> well, you kind of nailed it, martha, in saying there's a gap here between democratic members of congress or candidates who have to run for re-election next year. barack obama never has to run for election again. martha: that's right. >> the polls are a factor here, the press tends to heap praise upon any politician who's doing well in the polls. if obama was up in the polls now, he'd be treated like the boston red sox. instead that recent poll, 42% approval, 51% on the disapproval side -- of course, republican party 53% disapproval -- but i think the combination of the president struggling this the

polls, struggling with his health care plan and appearing not to know the details, fairly or unfairly, press is now piling on. this has not been a good stretch for the way this president's covered, and it's kind of hard to see in the short term how he turns it around with all these problems with the health care law. martha: yeah. it's interesting for us to see so many of these media organizations talking about some of these issues as if they're huge revelations and, you know, many of us have been covering this story for a long time and have unveiled specific facts that were in the legislation a long time ago. so that's interesting to watch from a media perspective as well, howard, thank you. always good to talk to you. >> thanks, martha. bill: "happening now"'s going to roll your way. jenna lee's all fired up. jenna: definitely fired up, bill, as you can tell. health care remains our top story as the president launches a staunch defense of the exchanges. you were just talking about that. charlie hurt, angela mcglowan and juan williams on that topic. plus, the growing nsa scandal as a disturbing new report emerges

about spying on google and yahoo! and our e-mail. and new evidence that a sars-like virus can spread from bats to humans. it's a scary story, if you will, just in time for halloween. "happening now." bill: see you, jenna, ten minutes away. a mysterious barge off san francisco, it's got a lot of people asking what's that thing for? ♪ ♪ when we made our commitment to the gulf, bp had two big goals: help the gulf recover and learn from what happened so we could be a better, safer energy company. i can tell you - safety is at the heart of everything we do. we've added cutting-edge technology, like a new deepwater well cap and a state-of-the-art monitoring center, whe experts watch over all drilling activity twenty-four-seven. and we're sharing what we've learned,

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martha: all right. new weekly jobs numbers that came out today. the number of americans applying for unemployment benefits fell, good news, by 10,000 last week to 340,000, a sign that fewer

workers are being laid off and that employers are bouncing back a bit after that partial government shutdown. ♪ ♪ bill: a lot of questions about a mysterious floating barge in san francisco bay. 250 feet long, it's linked to google. coast guard's checking it out but was sworn to secrecy. a technology analyst, how are you, peter? good morning to you. it's tied to google, right? but google hasn't said, hey, that's our barge, right? >> they have not said word one about this. bill: so the leading theories are what? >> it could be a google data center because they got a patent for doing just this thing, having a data center in the high seas in about 2009. the other theory is that it's an elaborate store for google glass. this had been the theory, supposedly, from various insiders. and the third one comes from, i

believe, the commissioner of the san francisco bay -- whoever regulates that, and they had talks with google months ago about doing this. and apparently, in the papers they said something it was a tool for a classroom or teaching about technology. bill: really? like a roving school that you have on water? >> well, the actual terminology is very vague, but that seems to be what it's implying. so those are the three leading theories. bill: here's the catch, because it looks like a secret lab, it looks like they're keeping secrets at a time when the nsa is under so much scrutiny. now, why would a company invite that? >> yeah, it's a strange thing. i don't know exactly. there are two theories on why would you build something like this. one, the design of the thing requires it, which would be the data center theory. google's always been very secretive about their data centers, and they're probably not going to change their way of thinking just because this one's in plain sight. the other theory is that is part of the marketing of google glass and they're adding to the mystique the by not saying

anything about it. bill: they put a lot of money into it, it's as original as anything can be from google, and apple's got the stores that are so impressive all over america and all over the world, and google does not. >> exactly. so they want to do something different, maybe, by putting their stores on barges, but that just seems a little weird -- bill: you're not buying that? >> i'm not buying it. they're four stories each. they're big. they're bigger than any apple store i know of, at least as far as i can tell. so i just think it's a little too weird for it to be a store. bill: that's a lot of money for marketing, but that is a company that is loaded with money. peter, thank you. >> my pleasure. bill: with us here in studio. nice to see you. >> you too. martha: the latest political fallout following kathleen sebelius' testimony on capitol hill as the administration goes into full damage control mold today. we'll be right back.

♪ martha: you remember that, right? throwback thursday. every week we highlight a special moment in history. this takes us back to 1963. 50 years ago today, tv icon ed sullivan was returning from a talent scouting trip in europe. he witnessed beatlemania walking through heathrow airport in london. the beatles were already a huge hit in europe and had not quite broken through yet in the united states. one look at the fans that were all over these adorable guys, and why wouldn't they be, sullivan realized he stumbled upon huge stars. john, paul, george, ringo, would make the american debut on "the ed sullivan show" february of following year. bill as you know it was a really big show, really big show.

bill: that it was. hey, happy halloween. martha: happy halloween to you, mr. hemmer. bill: check the candy. make sure everything is cool. martha: what is your favorite halloween candy? bill: reese's cups. martha: i'm a big butter finger fan. "happening now" starts right now. bye, everybody. jenna: breaking news on today's top stories and stories you will only see here. jon: sophisticated tunnels poping up between u.s. and mexico. a new secret underground system was discovered. we'll tell you where. suddenly there is new hope for the search for a missing autistic boy. a mistertear russ photo appears that bears a striking resemblance to the teenager. could be it him. fans go wild. what caused this stadium riot. we'll sho