# t# # kelly file. thanks for watching. today, today health insurance reform becomes law in the united states of america. >> the affordable care act was touted to be his greatest legislative achievement. >> we've done it. >> but it's nothing short of a disaster. according to a report, only six people signed up for obama care on day one. >> the website wasn't working effectively on october 1st. i think that is a dog bites man story. >> with this new type of insurance possible going the way it's going to go and the medical field changing the way it's going to go -- >> or week-long series on the missed obama care warning signs continues. >> and i don't know if i'd be talking to you right now. >> "hannity" starts right here, right now. and welcome to "hannity." tonight for the entire hour

we'll be joined by a studio audience from both sides of the aisle to debate the president's disastrous health care overhaul. you're going to hear from real people, real cancellation letters, real rate hike shock. but first newly released documents by the house oversight committee revealed that on day one of the obama care exchanges, get this, only six americans. only six people signed up for it. and that's only -- not the only embarrassing part of it. it's a pathetic part of it. we bring in our studio audience. good to see everybody. all right. is there one liberal here? i'm just looking for one. that will admit that the american people were lied to. do you like your plan? doug schoen. >> clear. clear they didn't tell the truth about it and it's clear we've got to figure out why and what we do about it. but we've got to make the law work. we can't just trash obama. >> why do we have to make the law work? >> because it's the law of the land, sean. >> so was slavery was the law of the land, too, but we overturned that. >> let's go -- so you admit we

were lied to. >> clear. >> if you like your plan you can keep your plan. was that a lie? >> clearly that happened. >> the average family per family, per savings per year, $2,500, lie? >> yeah, it's clearly not the case. >> $900 billion cost. lie? >> clearly not the case. >> the website's going to be user-friendly. >> give them until the end of november to see if it becomes user-friendly. >> he said that the day before they rolled it out. >> i understand. >> rick ungur, are you going to shock me tonight? >> i'm going to shock you. i'm going to tell you that 3% of americans were lied to because that's the number we're talking about. and having said that i'm going to ask if there's any conservatives in this room that will admit that conservatives have been lying about obama care for three years in many ways. >> what are you talking about? >> this is not the -- you don't have to answer that question. let me tell you why what you said is false. and i am going to go to page 34,552.

i almost sound -- where's betsy mccoy? i almost sound like her. she's got the whole health plan there. >> i've got if here. >> the register of our federal government predicted back in july of 2010 that 66% of all small employer plans will go away. that means you can't keep your small employer if you work for a small employer. 45% of large employer plans will go away. and we now know that about 16 of the 19 million individual plans will go away. "forbes" magazine did the math. that's 93 million americans. 93 -- am i right, betsy? >> yes. and don't forget to add the many, many seniors, millions of seniors on medicare advantage plans who received letters this month telling them they're losing their doctor because of the obama care cuts, those medicare advantage plans are dropping the specialists that the seriously ill patients depend on. >> i got a letter last week. i have a small business and i lost my plan. they gave me five options to look at. all five are worse than the option i had before that. so the most comparable one is a 48% increase.

so i called the insurance company just to see what they had to say about it and she said they've been getting calls left and right and she says we can go into the obama care website and try it out. of course they tried, couldn't get through. so really now that's another employee for me that's being taken away. 34u89 ply that by like you said millions of companies. it's now killing the economy. >> keesha, 93 million. and they knew in july of 2010. first of all, i know you. i know your daughter. if your daughter lied to you, how much trouble is she going to be in? >> she would be in a lot of trouble. but i won't say that this is a lie. this is a new law that's being implemented. and it's going to have -- >> the president said in september if you like your plan you can keep your plan, period. now, they knew in july of 2010 that that wasn't true, according to their documents. not sean -- i didn't make up this. not my documents. >> but we have to be realistic. there's always something that may not turn out the way we predict. >> okay. your daughter's going to say to you, mommy, you need to be realistic. and what's going to happen? >> she will. >> it's not a health care

expert. he said what he said because that's what he was told. and if this plan needs fixing, which clearly it does -- clearly it does, it's incumbent upon republicans now to work with democrats just as doug suggests to make this plan work. >> wait a minute. ed rollins, this president doesn't know a lot of things. he doesn't know -- i read it in the paper about fast and furious. i had no idea we were spying on the pope and chancellor merkel. no idea. >> the bottom line here is the biggest lie of this whole thing is it's not going to work, it's not going to pay for itself. they said they could do it for a trillion dollars. that means taking $750 billion out of medicare. there are 12,000 new people a day going into medicare. at the end of the day there's not going to be sufficient doctors. there's not going to be sufficient money. and it financially cannot make it. >> that is the reality. we're going to get deep into that. noelle, why are so few people on the left -- i've 5rgd with james

carville, bob etch olz this week. a lot of liberals here. rick ungarr, he'll be arguing with me before the end of the show. why do they accept this was predicated on a huge lie and they don't admit it? >> i think a lot of people are banking on helping obama create and protect his legacy. and i think, you know, a lot of this -- remember the shutdown. this was over, you know, defund obama care and they wouldn't budge. now look. look at it unraveling and look what they have been defending and protecting, is a big epic failure. >> i'm a liberal. i'm a liberal. and i have no interest -- it all due respect, noelle. to protecting the president's legacy at all. what i have an interest in is doing what's right by the american people. i do believe the president made a presumption that people would not want junk policies and that they wanted a higher standard of health care -- >> you are putting words -- hang on a second. one at a time. you are putting words in the president's mouth. what part of if you like your plan you can keep your plan,

period -- >> in all fairness, let me just say this one point. he didn't say the full statement, which is if your current health care policy meets the new higher standard of health care in this country, you can keep it. if it doesn't, it's junk it & it will be trashed. >> katie. jay carney actually said today if you like your plan but it's a crummy plan, you can't keep your plan. that's what the president -- everyone's making excuses. >> first of all, this idea that you're saying people's plans are crummy, it's very patronizing. second of all, this was a lie that barack obama and the democrats sold to the american people because they knew that if they sold everyone this idea, that they'll lose their health insurance that it would get replaced but a plan that was double or triple what they were paying then it would never have passed. they lied because if they were to tell the american people the truth that would have never happened. that's the bottom line. >> that's key. kirsten. >> the reason why we were sold this is because for a lot of people in the obama administration and the democrats

they believed that the end justifies the means. so their means are good. they have good intentions. and yes, we need a better health care system in this country, hands down. and you know me, sean. i'm a conservative. i believe we need health care reform. we need insurance reform that's coupled with tort reform. we need major change. and people are afraid of change -- >> we also have a free market. >> we've got to sell this hard. >> senator, you've lived this life. >> let me tell you. i've lived it, been it. and i've abused it as well. this was one of the great abuses. and it demonstrates -- you know the old cliche power corrupts and absolute power is the worst. i've seen it with republicans. we never quite had absolute power because we didn't have the ability to stop the filibuster in the senate. they had absolute power. they didn't give a darn. they weren't willing to listen. and they adopted a plan that unfortunately is doomed for failure. and i say unfortunately.

you cannot -- you've heard the story, catch me if you can. you know, you've seen that thing. you think you're going to catch you'll these young healthy people and make them sign up and pay more money for what? not for themselves but because they're going to be part of the greater pool. so that's what they call the death spiral as it relates to insurance. you've got to change this plan significantly. the other thing is you bring in some jackass company, you've got great organizations. you've got microsoft. you've got google. you've got -- >> apple. >> -- the thing the kids -- facebook. bring them in to set up the platform. don't bring in your cronies. and i won't go into whose crony that is. to set this up. doomed for failure. >> now they brought in a crony to fix it. >> so you've got to bring in the experts, number one. not politics. number two, you should have

brought in the actuaries, the insurance people. you should have been willing to listen. and you should have been willing to compromise. and so you now have this incredible failure and you cannot make -- you think you're going to get young people paying more money? for what? and you think having irs agents to track them down? >> i promise we're going to get to you and you can respond to the young person question. i can't. i love how the president now said that we're going to bring in the best and brightest to fix it. i'm like why didn't we bring in the best and brightest to start it? we'll come back. we'll take a break. much more with our studio audience tonight. but first, coming up tonight on "hannity." >> with this new change with insurance, possibly going the way it's going to go and the medical field changing the way it's going to go, i'd be scared to be in the shoes that i had been prior to cancer seven years ago. very scared. >> all week long the series continues with two real americans affected by obama care. that cancer survivor who shared

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welcome back to welcome back to "hannity." we are continuing tonight our week-long series which we have entitled "you were warned." back before obama care was ever passed we highlighted right here on this show the dangers of what would have happened if the law was in fact implemented. my next guest, she shared her story with us during a universal nightmare special that we had in 2009 about her fight against cancer and her concerns about

what could have happened if the changes in health insurance were in place when she was in fact diagnosed. take a look. >> i was diagnosed with -- they said a walk in the park cancer. had surgery by a gynecologic oncologist. after the surgery he said no, it's much worse than we thought. you have no more than six weeks to live. don't even try chemo. you'll die from the treatment of chemo. the chemo oent even touch the canc cancer. and that was it. >> katherine didn't accept that answer. she went to the cancer center in houston for a second opinion. >> if she didn't have that second opinion she would not have been able to participate in this country sxwlp if i was living in a country where you don't have a choice to go to a specialist i would have done whatever it had taken to come to the united states of america. >> here i am today seven years getting ready to be eight years next month. >> for katherine those eight years have meant seeing her children grow up and the birth of her two grandchildren. >> with this new change with insurance possibly going the way

it's going to go and the medical field changing the way it's going to go i'd be scared to be in the shoes that i was in when i was fighting cancer seven years ago. very scared. and i don't know if i'd be talking to you right now. >> join meg now the woman you just heard from katherine hale. and also in our studio audience tonight is natalie willis, who received notice that her plan would be terminated and all of her new options would be more expensive and provide less coverage. ladies, thanks so much for being with us. thank you. first of all, katherine, six weeks has turned into 12 years. you're doing well, i hope. >> praise the lord, thank you, sean, i am. >> that's really, really good news. where are you now? obama care. you were one of the people speaking out very early on. you were on our "universal nightmare" special we had. where's your plan now? where are you with health care now? >> well, i've given it my personal name. it's the so-called no-brainer fair health care.

we are able to compare apples to apples in our situation. my husband is still employed with the same national company. we've aged a little bit. we're on the other side of 50. but no major changes in our lives. but our insurance life has drastically changed. the good coverage that we couwe able to have is no longer available. there is a lesser tier of coverage available at a higher cost. the out of pocket is much higher. the -- it is so high for some people that they are offering a gap coverage. in $15,000 and $30,000 increment hes. so that if you do become ill, have a heart attack, have a stroke, you're not going to dip into your retirement savings or lose your car or your home or tell your kids they can't go to college. >> what about you with your pre-existing condition and the fact you had cancer? >> life insurance is not an

option. and as far as my follow-up care i receive at m.d. anderson, it's going to cost us a lot more money. >> so in other words, you have -- are you with the same employer? just to -- >> yeah. that's what i was saying. that we are able to compare apples to apples because employment situations are still the same. >> so you're being offered less coverage, an increased premium, increased deductible. and how do you know this is directly related to obama care? are they telling you? is that the reason they're giving you officially? >> yes. we have a very nice pamphlet from the insurance company, and it doesn't directly say it, but they don't have to. it does say the law mandates. there's little innuendos in there. we know what it is. and the other sad part about this -- go ahead. >> no, no. were you going to read from it? >> well, i was just going to tell also that the other sad

part about this change is we have no freedom. it's supposed to be fair insurance for everybody. and that would be great if that could happen. but this is not the way to do it. and we're also forcing catholics and other christians to bay for abortion and medicines in birth control that is against the religion. >> we had a court decision today on that. in the 2nd district court in d.c. hang on right there. i want to bring in natalie. how are you? >> good. how are you? >> from los angeles. >> yes. >> married? >> yes. >> 29 years old. >> yes. >> you have a website, babysleeptrainer.com. where were you when i had my two kids? >> i don't know. how old are they? >> do you train 14-year-olds to go to sleep? if you do, whatever that is, you're going to make a lot of money. so you have your own -- by the way, that's pretty cool. what a great -- and i bet business is booming, i hope. >> i can't complain. yes, it's going pretty well. >> tell us about your health issues, health care.

>> i have always carried my own health insurance plan. it's always been very important to me that i be insured. when my husband left law school, i had to get my own plan, so i found an insurer. after i had been denied by other insurers for some pre-existing condition. i was accepted by my insurer. so i carried a great plan after i had my son. i decided to step down and take what was considered their catastrophic plan. so this plan has a $1,500 deductible and a $3,000 out of pocket maximum. i'd been to the doctor several times. i never felt like i've been gouged. loved my plan. didn't go on my husband's plan. great plan. so now all the plans that my insurer currently carries are all being canceled and they're being replaced by new compliant plans. so if i want to pay the same premium that i'm paying now, i will be doubling or tripling my deductible and doubling my out of pocket maximum. if i want to keep some sort of equivalent coverage, then i'll be paying about 40% more.

there really isn't equivalent coverage with my insurer. is i'm looking at either having to pick something from the exchange. >> and by the way, just so everyone knows, you've been on healthcare.gov. by the way-u need to talk to anzly earhart. -- >> so the california plan is okay -- or rather the exchange is okay. it doesn't work super great with my browser. but it's okay. i've been able to -- there's i think 30 plans available to me, six different providers. i've gone and looked at each one individually, checked what my -- like what it would cover, what hospitals i could go to. but there's really nothing that's the same. any way that i do this i'm either going to get way less care for the same amount of money or i'm going to have to pay more. >> what do you think -- and i hope rick ungar's paying attention in the broukd because i'm going to beat him up about your case in a moment. but in all seriousness, you're 29 years old. your husband worked hard to become a lawyer. you built a great business. you were responsible. you want your own care. you want to keep your plan. if you like it -- do you like your plan? it's not a crummy plan? >> this is what i have to say.

if i wanted a plan that covered more, i would have gotten a plan that covered more. >> what do you think about the president of the united states that now has lied to you? >> i'd like to think the best about people. so maybe he was misinformed. maybe didn't read obama care. >> what's worse, lying or not reading it? >> i don't know. it's really long. so it probably changed. i don't know -- >> can i ask a question? what would be worse, not reading it or lying about it? if that's the two options you're providing. >> lying would be worse. >> you're going with the option he didn't read it -- >> i think earlier what someone said the end justified the means. i'm going to say that's probably what happened. i'm sure that he knew and that he thought we have to get people to do this anyway. >> hope you liberals are paying attention. real americans -- what? >> interstate insurance purchases to provide greater options. >> you want to fix something that is so broken, so dilapidated -- >> for the american people, sean. that's what we all want. >> we will take a break.

right back. thank you for coming. and also thank you. i want to thank katherine as well. thank you for being with us. up next, another troubling number about the issue of obama care and their applications. we'll explain that when we get back. and then we're going to turn things over to this very anxious studio audience for the remainder of the program. we'll also hear from more americans about canceled plans, higher premiums, and what does it mean for you and your family as this special edition of "hannity" continues. be a victim of fraud. fraud could mean lower credit scores and higher interest rates when you apply for a credit card. it's a problem waiting to happen. check your credit score, check your credit report at experian.com.

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welcome back to this studio audience edition of "hannity." now, earlier on the program we told you about the downright embarrassing number of enrollees on day one of the obama care rollout. but that's not the only thing troubling in terms of the numbers that we're learning about today because the "washington post" said, "the first month of the new law rollout reveals an unexpected pattern in several states, a crush of people applying for an expansion of medicaid and a trickle of sign-ups for private insurance." according to the report, in some places 9 thout of 10 enrollees, they're in medicaid, causing not only a major imbalance in the program but a grave concern that obama care is going to end up being a mere expansion of another entitlement program. the question is was that the plan all along? we bring back our studio audience. david webb, you were just telling me that during the break. >> choice is the issue here. what they've done with obama care is remove choice from the market. the market is americans. in the same "washington post" article projects budget forecasters that 9 million people will sign up for medicaid

in 2014. only an expected 7 million shoppers would purchase private insurance plans. it's the choice that's been removed. what's happened is americans are making a choice. they say we're going to choose medicaid, which is going to cost the american people more. so the net net in the economy, whether you substance dyed obama care, is that you are taking money out of the system and redistributing to another one. and choice is gone, sean. >> 700 billion. >> are we surprised that choice is removed? i mean, this is what obama wanted all the time. government-mandated health care. the reason why people are signing up for medicaid, that i'm going to just trickle off from what david said, is they can't get on a crashed healthcare.gov website and people like free stuff. this president has created a mentality that government is the solution. but i want to go back to what people -- what judith was saying. the president is now a nominal figurehead. he doesn't know what's going on in his country. he's a bystander to government. he is a liar. this health care law was

written. it carries his name. he stood up in boston two days ago. and you know what he said? hey, guys, he still won't take accountability and apologize for the huge lie he told. he told the american people, guys, look, the reason why your health care plan is getting canceled like to the tune of a million by the end of december, is because it was substandard. and he said you can shop around and get a better deal. and we heard from the young lady on the front row, the better deal means more health care coverage than i need and more health care coverage at a higher price -- >> everyone wants to -- >> wait. to pay for the people that we're dumping into -- remember, this is all by design, like katie said. you have individuals who have to be canceled and pushed out of -- i'm an individual. i'm a business owner. i've got to be bilked out to -- >> this whole idea that the president didn't know is something that goes far beyond health insurance. if you google the term obama didn't know you come up with literally dozens of headlines in the last couple weeks covering the irs on conservative groups, covering nsa, all types of

issues. he is trying to take himself out of it. it's a crisis of credibility. >> i want to go to rick ungar. you just heard from natalie. you heard from katherine. >> yeah. >> and there are millions of americans -- why do you justify this? >> but here's -- first of all, why do you justify not digging a little further? let me tell you another horror story. wait, wait, wait. we watched a -- >> did i ask him about another horror story? you see natalie? natalie's 29 and helps put 14-year-old kids to sleep. >> i know. how do you mean? i would like to sit down with natalie and get on the exchange. and you know what else, natalie, you didn't mention -- >> because i want it -- >> hold on a second. you know what natalie didn't mention -- >> wait a minute. she doesn't want it. >> you know what natalie didn't mention? you can buy a policy off the exchange. have you checked that out? >> katie. >> this is the point. is you're sitting there and the president sat there and democrats sat there over and over again saying you have to do this, we don't care about your choice. you're limiting --

>> he didn't say she had to do it. >> and now you're saying come to a system that is broken. it is not fair and -- >> hang on. natalie -- hang on. natalie, speak for yourself. >> okay. so i love the insurer that i have. love them. i would be heart broek-tone leave them. people don't love their insurers. >> what is your liemt? >> my lifetime limit? >> my out of pocket maximum -- >> what was your lifetime limit? >> i believe -- >> you don't know. >> i believe it was $300,000. >> hang on. >> she liked the plan. go ahead. let her finish. go ahead. >> according to what they have told me and what i've seen on their website, my insurer no longer provides plans that are not an aca compliant. so i don't have a choice -- i could go to someone else. i don't want to go to another insurer. i want to stay with my insurer. >> i understand. let me make the point if i may. >> hang on once. before you do. you're a liberal and you think you know better for her. >> no.

let me make the point. if you go to buy a car -- let me make -- >> why are you telling people -- >> go ahead, rick. he's getting frustrated. >> if you go to buy a car and you don't pick up the hood, right? you buy the car and then you get in the car to start it, it doesn't start. you know why? there was known gin under the hood and you didn't know it. are you going to have a problem with that? wait a minute. let me finish. just because she's -- >> hang on. whoa, whoa, whoa. you mean like obama says if you like your plan you can keep your plan -- so he's selling us a car. if you like this car, you can buy this car but it doesn't have an engine. >> sean. it doesn't matter if you like her plan or i like her plan or president obama likes her plan. what matters is that she liked her plan and she was promised -- she was promised that she could keep her plan. she was promised that she could keep it. and it was taken away. and now her costs are rising. and she's paying a consequence for something that was a promise unkept. that's -- >> she doesn't know what was in

her plan. >> here's a very important sentence. government, regardless of what it is, cannot create a marketplace. it cannot create a market. therefore, by force, design, or by unintended consequence you're forcing americans to make choices when they have the right to make terrible choices or good choices. >> you mentioned the federal register and the regulations that came out on there. that was actually around june 17th, 2010. >> that's right. by the way, i got that from your article. in fairness to you. >> forbes.com. but actually, five days later barack obama came out and he did a speech and he talked about those regulations. that came from labor, treasury, as well as hhs. and in his speech he began saying, oh, and by the way, i don't want these insurance companies blaming obama care in case their premiums go up. and that's the thing, was that he was getting ready for this because he wanted to make sure that he could blame the insurance companies. >> average family per year, $2,500 savings.

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welcome back to "hannity." we continue with our studio audience. i want to go back to you because the heritage foundation's done a really good job evof analyzing e cost increases state by state. richard ungar thinks he knows better. the president thinks he knows better. all these people are getting rate shock. what do you think the cumulative impact of that is going to be politically when it's 93 million people that lose a policy and then everybody gets the rate shock. i think it's going to be devastating for the left.

>> i agree. and it's just one of many broken promises. you have increased costs in 43 states. these are premium increases in some states for people that are going to be over 100%. you can't keep your plan. you're going to have premium increases. and millions of people are going to be impacted one way or another. be it by the cost increase, the 18 separate taxes, or losing their plan. every american is going to be negatively impacted. and i hope the american people wake up and get behind the movement to get rid of -- >> sean, it's not just the cost. it's also the quality of care we're talking about. in the state of new hampshire there's one provider, anthem. they only provide coverage at 14 of the 26 hospitals there. what happens to the people who want to use those other 12 hospitals? this is a quality of care issue. it's not just a cost issue. >> let's go to ron. >> republicans -- >> by the way, you're in virginia. >> i'm in virginia. i'm running for congress there. >> ken cuccinelli, by the way, his numbers are back. >> because off bama care. >> because off bama care. especially, by the way, because young people are suffering because of this law. young people are suffering because of this law. premiums are up 45% for recent

grads. 200% if you're a 30-year-old. so what we have to do as a republican party is reach out and be the advocates to fight against this law because we have to defend young americans. and what's happening is we're in a great youth depression. high structural youth unemployment since the depression -- >> how old are you? >> i'm 24. >> i'm 25. and if i can just paint a picture for people -- >> i'm 51. >> how it feels like to be a young person in your 20s nowadays. you have high unemployment. kids are moving back in with their parents. they can't afford their bills. unless your parents pay for everything. which isn't the large majority of young people. you don't have the same hopeful attitude as our parents had. and that's a lot to deal with. we don't need another bill. and my generation's going to pay that $95 penalty fee rather than pay another bill for insurance. student loans. it's crazy. it's tough to be a young person in the united states. >> you're a great political fund-raiser. what impact does this have in 2014? i think the impact of rate shock, i think the impact of canceled policies and a

president repeatedly promising something that isn't true. i think you cross a line here that -- >> i think it's going to be a big opportunity to raise money for republican candidates, number one, because of this flub-up that the democrats have had, the white house. and i think number two, i think you're going to see a lot of people shift over to the gop. once they thought we were wacko birds and we thought they were nuts. i think they're going to see a lot of -- >> -- in history. >> so do the democrats. >> they're heading that way. but the republicans have no positive ideal. >> the heritage foundation numbers for one thing don't take into account the subsidies which more than half of the americans who don't currently have insurance will qualify for. but the other thing that i would point out is -- >> one at a time. >> other thing i would point out is senator al d'amato, a number of things he said i actually happen to agree with and i'm not surprised because he's the only republican i've ever voted for in my entire life. one of the things that he said is republicans need to be part of the solution here. if i can paraphrase what he

said. and i agree with that. >> i agree with that. >> why did it take 3 1/2 years for them to get engaged -- they were trying to repeal the law -- >> wait. i want to addressing? doug said. doug, did you see the carville greenberg poll today? devastating impact on democrats in their districts, far greater than republicans. >> that is correct. and the republican ratings in the "wall street journal" poll, highest negatives in history. >> and the president has the lowest numbers in his presidency. >> the president's at 42, which is bad, but if there was a real republican party the president would be in the 30s. >> touchdown on this tonight. i think we need to stop saying that the plan needs to be fixed because this is rolling out exactly the way the liberals want it to roll out. it's going to fail and the big wonderful government's going to swoop in and save us all from the -- >> single payer. >> exactly. and instead of being medicaid it is going to be universal -- >> how many of you agree with that? how many of you agree with that? i agree with it too. obama this week he said, well, even canada, they didn't start

with a single payer. they transitioned. and he used the word transitioned a lot going back to 2003, 2007. that's right. real quick. >> the senate majority leader harry reid said that obama care was the first step toward single payer health care. he said that in august -- >> i've got to break. >> coming up, a lot more to get to. a spirited studio audience right here. glad you're with us this friday night on "hannity." stay with us. ouncer ] you hear that? that's the sound of car insunce companies these days. here a cheap, there a cheap. everywhere a cheap... you get it. so what if instead ofjust a cheachoice, you could make a smart choice? like esurance for example they were born online and built to save people money from the beginning. that's what they've always ne. not just somhing they...cheep about. that's insurance for the modern world. esurance. now backed by allstate. click or call.

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welcome back to "hannity." we continue with our very distinguished studio audience. ed rollins, when it comes to politics, i respect you a lot. i spent about an hour on my radio show today laying out the case, this will -- we're going to look back at the month of october 2013 as the month that most defined the obama

presidency. lack of honesty. people don't trust him. broken promises. saying one thing repeatedly he knew wasn't true. what do you think the political fallout is? >> i think he's going to diminish by the day and i think the program's going to diminish. we have two big federal programs we started with. we have medicare which basically took care of the elderly. medicaid which took care of the poor. the problem is medicare now is going to be more expensive for seniors and they're not going to have all the services they had. and that's a given. plus the 700 billion. medicaid is going to be overburdened by all these people jumping into it today in which doctors are not -- doctors and hospitals lose money on medicaid. so you're going to break the two federal systems. i think it hurts democrats, which medicaid is obviously -- they're more geared toward the poor americans who need the help. senior citizens are going to be furious. obviously, i think -- >> and young people, right? kisha, you look -- >> this is my issue. it's -- i admit that there's flaws in this obama care. but we need to give our president more credit.

he didn't intend to be a liar. there's flaws. but i think we need to look at what the intent of obama care was. it wasn't to deceive the american people. it was to try to correct an overall problem with all americans. >> no, this is benign stupidity like -- >> we're focusing on the wrong issue instead of -- >> four pinocchios in the washington post is a benign way of saying you lied. >> senator al d'amato, sir. >> let me give you the political fix. number one -- >> by the way, you're the only person that's not partnered with anybody. i don't know what that means. >> i'd like to move over here. hey, honey. how are you, babes? if my wife is seeing this, i'm in trouble. >> you're in trouble. >> i'll write you a note. >> please. ted cruz, a wacko. >> no, he's not. >> let me finish. very bright.

very smart. but so political that if he had really used that great intelligence of his he would have warned and said these are the pitfalls. and you could have spelled out the pitfalls. you could have -- you could have spelled out the pitfalls of

. >> no filibuster here. >> don't forget -- >> i had a pretty long one myself, 13 hours. let me conclude by saying this. it will be very difficult to fix, and i think that you are going to see the medicaid expansion that we talked about huge. i think you're going to continue to see the average american is going to pay, whether you're in a big company plan or a small individual plan, much more, and you're going to get less. >> let me go to katie. i'm with you, katie. i think cruz r, rand, mike lee helped this. nobody in america remembers the government shutdown. everybody in america will remember this debacle of a website and this disastrous rollout. >> ted cruz is the only one who went to washington and did exactly what he said he would do. fight against health care.

i stood up to watch ted cruz filibuster and he laid out all the stories and how much it would cost and young people would not only not come into the system but responsible for paying for it in the end whether it's now or later. >> quick poll. how many think the ted cruz helped? i think he did. >> let me tell you quick before you take your poll. if he had not worked and got my friends on the republican side to shut down the government, he would have been -- this is -- . >> noelle. [ talking over one another ]. >> we'll take a break and we'll come back. more thoughts from our very quiet, demure audience, right after this, in the nation, sometimes bad things happen.

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time foreclosing thoughts. >> i want to get to sean's point on the president's credibility. i want to say i do think the president has a credibility issue now. his speech in boston was a perfect time to come out. if you let me speak, crystal. if he'd take the time to own it, say do you know what? this has gone awry. he should have. that is a separate issue. >> the president never owned any mistake made in his administration. fast and furious, ben gazy. irs targeting but i want to go back to what senator demato said. i admire ted cruz and mike lee. they're trying to fight against this. where republicans failed is that they focused on defunding obama care rather than pointing out the mandate which the president, oh, ebony, he did, right? >> it doesn't matter.

listen. i think everyone agrees this is a flawed law. but now it's time not only to recognize it but go back to the table and put in common sense concerns. >> really great, won't it be great if we're having this discussion and the republican party had a plan that was a pro-free market approach sitting on a web site that works? won't that be a great discussion? they'd drop the ball after hillary care. they cannot drop the ball again, get on it. you have good ideas. you need to counter act this nonsense. >> health care savings account. >> there needs to be a plan. >> i don't see it fixable. >> fix it. use free market principles. allow a cross border insurance. >> yes. >> but in the meantime, just advice to protect yourself. if you're a baby boomer line

up doctors now if you're healthy and if you wait until you turn 65 and go on medicare you will not find a doctor willing to take you on as a new patient f you're going to the hospital and you know it, cobble together for a private duty nurse the first night. you're going to find too little care. that is important advice. >> you held your own with some of the best and brightest professionals in the world of common teary. you're living this, we invited to you tell a story. you're 29, losing coverage, paying more. final thoughts? >> i think it makes me feel like i can work hard, and live a mediocre live or not work hard and live a mediocre live to. someone like me, it makes me feel like it is never going to get fixed. >> are you what mad you can't keep your plan? >> yes.

i'm more upset is the whole problem. thank you. >> that is the time we have left this evening. be with us. eight to 10:00 p.m. ♪ john: it is hard to drive, spews pollution. that is what we get with obamacare. >> the site is not working 08 is supposed to. >> the obama administration is conceding that some people will have to pay more double-digit increases. john: this halloween politicians give us something we should be scared of, obamacare. >> that product is working. it is really good. john: that is our show tonight.