president obama moments ago met with a group of very frustrated democrat senators. ed henry with the breaking details on that meeting. don't go anywhere. but first, it was a busy day on the hill today where the woman many see as the face of the obama care failures was taking heated questions from senators frustrated senators. and republicans who warned that obama care was an atomic bomb about to be dropped on america. >> i am accountable to this committee and to the american

public for getting the fixes in place. and we are committed to getting healthcare.gov fixed. >> you've been misleading the american people and the president has over and over and over again. and i would much rather you come up and say, yeah, we were wrong, didn't tell the truth. you, madame secretary must make good on that promise. >> in the last five weeks, access to healthcare.gov has been a frustrating experience for far too many of these americans. it's unacceptable, i'm focused on fixing it and i'm accountable. >> you said america should hold you accountable, which is why today i repeat my request for you to resign. >> resign? we know that's not going to happen. accountability? please. people are frustrated, obama care sucks and seems there's nothing we can do about it.

is there any way out of the mess? >> officially we have more hearings than people who signed up for obama care. sebelius is confident because president obama said if you like your job, you can keep your job. that made her feel confident. by the way, closed doors. are there any meeting where doors are open? i'm tired of hearing -- >> meetings you have -- >> when it comes to scandal, president obama's way more efficient than bill clinton. the difference is that obama screwed millions of people. >> we don't know how many bill clinton did. is that the point? >> no, i said it once. >> any way out of this? >> i don't think so. not at this point. the website, i think, is the least of their problems. even when they fix the website, you have kathleen sebelius, and i think this is an underreported story. saying today hhs has plans to, quote, reinvite people to sign

up. what does that translate to? that translates to them sitting on millions of dollars, which they are. there was one report on how much money they're sitting on to try and advertise to get healthy young people into the system. and eric, because they didn't have the political courage to make that penalty more than the premium, they can run all the ads they want with our money which is going to -- really going to bankrupt us. i still don't think they're going to have people sign up. they have doctor shortage, lack of people enrolling, premiums going through the roof because of adverse selection and the employer mandate which is the biggest issue set to drop in ten months. >> bob, the question, i'm sitting there waiting, probably an hour and a half hearing, senators like to talk, they like to hear themselves speak. who made the call to go october 1st knowing very well there was security risks and the website wasn't ready. >> first of all, let me say, i'm sweating a little bit because i went to the new york marathon a day late. i thought it was -- >> great effort, though. >> it was.

>> max baucus, the chairman of the finance committee was a client of mine for many years. max is the kind of guy that's very quiet. he's also the one that wrote this law and said way back four or five months ago, there's a train wreck coming if you're not careful about the implementation of this. i've talked to baucus about it. and he said he doesn't have a problem with the plan itself. he has a problem with the distribution of information. >> well, he also -- he also looked captain sebelius in the eye and said, you said november 30th, you're going to get done by november 30th, right? and she said, yeah. were you confident in her testimony? >> i have never thought they should put a date on it. i think they could have said soon and then tried to define that along the way. max baucus is a refreshing, mature voice on this issue. it also shows what a democrat who is not running for reelection in a red state can do. and that means he can be completely and perfectly honest with them while the rest of the democrats were saying, oh, the president didn't lie, he didn't

lie. maybe ed henry will have a scoop for us. but on the senate meeting today where the democrat senators came to meet with the president and they were behind closed doors, i'm sure they were very respectful, but they've got to be nervous because some of the election results from last night. >> very good point. also, let's ask about that meeting. there was a behind the door closed meeting, very frustrated senators, do you have any more details about that meeting? >> yeah, 15 of them, eric, and interesting because i've talked to some people who are inside the room and basically saying that there's deep frustration among these democrats. they feel it's beyond the rollout being botched. they feel like they're not getting enough help from the administration in terms of pushing back and explaining this to the american people. and i think specifically the next shoe to drop is what kind of a delay is there going to be in the enrollment deadline. there are some democrats who came out of this pretty fierce.

you have the statement where they said they've got to do more with the privacy statement, but he also said he wants the enrollment deadline pushed beyond the end of march 2014. he didn't specify how far, but the other thing is another democrat from alaska just told us that he's been screaming at the white house, his words, yelling at them in recent days before this meeting to do a better job of figuring out the website. in fact, he used the phrase crisis in confidence, up for reelection said there's a crisis in confidence right now as to whether or not the administration can get this website fixed. and look, the other thing to think about is if you push that enrollment deadline, what are you going to do? three months, six months, might be pushing it right up against the '24 election and make the health care law in even more of a referendum in that election and make it an even bigger issue than maybe democrats want. >> and so there's a chorus of

this line that there's a crisis of confidence which comes down to competence. and it's just one step below, a millimeter below saying incompetent. here's the thing i'm concerned about. for my friends, fellow colleagues in the communications office. this is not a communications le. if the senator's complaining to the president, we need you to give more speeches, do they think that's going to help? >> well, i think they were going beyond speeches. my understanding, he was telling the president and -- by the way, we should point out, it was a two-hour meeting. you've been inside the white house, it's not some half hour drive by. but also the vice president was there, also the white house chief of staff and also interesting, the guru in charge of fixing this website. and i'm told that he said he's getting calls from constituents beyond communications saying i can't get on the website. i can't get on and enroll, i want to enroll, i like the law, i want to make it work. these are democrats saying they don't want to repeal the law like republicans do, they want

to fix it. they want to mend it, if you will. and i was even told that he said he couldn't get on the website. >> how many of those are up for reelection next year? >> all of them. >> all of them except michael bennett of colorado who, as you know, was a dsec chairman. their hides are on the line and that's why they're here. >> if you look at the return from virginia, if you look at the counties, the red counties are redder and that clearly was, i think, motivated by obama care, it certainly went cuccinelli. and also terry mcauliffe became an issue for himself. >> cuccinelli has been against the president's health care law from the beginning and tried to make that an issue at the end. that helped him close the gap, he still lost but got closer. and i think even more telling than that is the fact that think

about when the president went there sunday for a rally to help democrat terry mcauliffe, he never mentioned his own health care law. if he wanted to help mcauliffe who was a supporter of obama care. he was supportive of it. the president himself didn't give it a big push. he understands that in these close races, this health care law is unpopular right now. >> hey, ed, it's andrea. we know that the website is just a small problem when you look at the policy side of this bill. has the white house at all indicated they're willing to budge on the policy side or make any adjustments besides the delay, for example, doing away with the penalty for a short-term. or maybe extending the individual mandate. and second part of that, ed, have republicans expressed any interest in maybe now with some democratic support trying to push through some policy changes with bipartisan effort? >> well, on the latter half, of course republicans want to put this together. they now have some bipartisanship to change the law. in terms of the white house, we

should say in fairness, the president and jay carney at the podium behind me have said in many times in recent weeks, they're willing to sit down and make what they call reasonable changes to the health care law. but in practice, that's sort of in theory, but in practice, we press jay carney on a bill that was asked about yesterday. and carney was squishy on whether or not they support it. they'll work with the republicans to change the law, but specifically, they have not gotten behind any of these various bills out there, pushing for changes. bottom line here, when you've got democrats like mary landrieu saying we've got to change this, there's going to be pushback on that deadline beyond the end of march 2014. it's sort of untenable because these democrats facing the voters in 2014. by the way, the president doesn't face the voters again, but they do. they are pressuring this white house and that's why this meeting came together today. that's likely to force a change here. >> ed, is there any truth to the rumor that they were handing out

immodium to the incumbent because obama care was scaring the crap out of them? >> i will check that out. i actually didn't hear that, greg. i'm not sure how to respond. >> that's a good answer. >> republicans gave an absolutely no votes in the united states house. none. why do they think for a minute that these guys are going to do anything but continue to obstruct. >> well, look, the republicans have made clear from day one of this administration five years ago that they were going to try to block everything the president does. they know that inside this white house and why do you think they push forward with the october 1st rollout? they knew a week before when there was some problems that the tests were not working out that if they had pulled back and said we're not ready for prime time, the republicans would've pounced on that and had ammunition to slow or stop this law. that's why republicans criticizing this law is not new and not going to change this president's mind.

15 senate democrats whose political hides are on the line, pressing this president to make changes, that could make a difference. republicans screaming at him is not. but democrats, he's been yelling at them to fix this, that's more likely to have an impact. >> let me get dana in here really quick before we lose ed. >> when we teased your name at the beginning and you did that little pop-up. it was a very well done -- and shows you have a lot of energy and you bring it to the show and we appreciate that. >> trying to bring the pep. >> is there any evidence that the white house is concerned about the bigger issues that are coming? not just the website issue, but the small group market that is starting to make a noise to say they're going to lose lots of plans in october 2014, people that react on december 1st. are they planning ahead for the next big problems they're about to have? >> yeah. they tell us that behind the scenes they're working 24/7 to

not just deal with the website but deal with other issues popping up. but look, i think what's interesting. you put a finger on an important point, the president as the website was failing in the early days, look, this is not just the website. that's a small part of this. the bigger thing is implementing the law on a standpoint. i think republicans and now some moderate democrats up for election are looking at it and saying the substance of this law may also blow up in the white house's face. you get the cancellation letters, some people with premium spikes, et cetera. that may end up being more politically painful for this white house. we should also note, though, they still believe inside the white house from the president on down while they're going to get through these bumps and that in the end you're going to have millions of people who don't have insurance now will have insurance and while we're focusing on the people whose premiums are going to go up, there will be other people whose premiums come down and have better health care in the end. some of that is going to balance out. but right now, it's hard to see them getting beyond this big,

big hole they have where democrats now are mad at them. >> we'll have to leave it there. but doesn't matter what they want or what they're trying, doesn't really matter. come, i don't know, mid november, we'll find out how many there are and that's going to be a big day. >> we're waiting for it. >> thanks, ed. up next, last night's blue state blowout for chris christie has people wondering how big chris christie really is. before we go, check out our facebook page at facebook.com/thefivefnc. the day we rescued riley,

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so tonight, first and foremost, i want to say thank you new jersey for making me the luckiest guy in the world. >> it was a blowout for chris christie who won another four years as governor of new jersey. and with 60% of the vote in his solid blue state, the 2016 talk exploded overnight especially after this. >> the people of new jersey four years ago were down hearted and

dispirited, they didn't believe the government could work for them anymore. four years later, we stand here tonight showing that it is possible to put doing your job first, to put working together first, to fight for what you believe in yet still standby your principles and get something done for the people who elected you. i know that if we can do this in trenton, new jersey, maybe the folks in washington, d.c. should tune in their tvs right now. see how it's done. >> that old-fashioned reference tuning in. you don't have to tune in anymore, it's all digital. just kidding. congratulations to chris christie. no surprises in the new jersey governor's race. >> no, but i think the rollout caused the blowout. if there was no chance with the obama care is the hobo on the subway covered in poop and nobody wants to be touched by him. and that helped christie and got the race in virginia pretty close. but i think what christie's talking about which i think is

important is that we've replaced 50 states with 50 identities. this country's gotten very decisive over who you are instead of what you do. we used to be americans, now we're black, white, gay, straight, hispanic, whatever. christie, what he's trying to say -- at least to me, it's time for unification, not divisiveness. and i think he's trying to say he can do that. >> you are a new jersey resident, eric, do you think he can do that? >> you know, listen, he did well. he got a 60% or 61% number in a blue state. let's not forget, i think a poll went out right after that said chris christie or hillary clinton in 2016, and hillary clinton beat chris christie by six full points. chris christie talks one game but plays another game. he's said he's very much conservative, he actually tried to say yesterday he was in the tea party world. jake tapper asked him if he was a tea party. he said, yeah, i feel like i'm one of them.

but he's really not. he's been against a lot -- in favor of a lot more gun control in new jersey, now he's walking that back. he claims to have lowered taxes in the state. i live in the state, i'll tell you, chris, you haven't lowered my taxes. i don't know whose you have lowered, you haven't lowered mine. income taxes are level of when you came in. and my property taxes are skyrocketing under you. he's talking one game, i don't know, is that enough? i doubt it. >> how dangerous is it, andrea for immediately following this race? he's got a job to do as governor. four years to be governor. but even today you saw a director named in new hampshire to, i guess, coordinate on behalf of governor chris christie. >> i don't think he should waste any time. hillary clinton's not wasting any time. but i do think he needs to step back and regroup before he goes out hard and starting campaigning. so he can do things behind the scenes, but he does have some work to do. look, fiscally he stood up to the unions, which i think was a very important conversation that

should happen across this country. private sector versus public sector, a very gutsy decision and that's how he won initially. he showed some leadership there. also able to show leadership after hurricane sandy, which helped him. i mean, he stepped up and helped that state. however, he did do some things, conversation, global warming, to have conservatives very upset with him. and, again, ronald reagan was very about unification. and i do think that chris christie has to adjust his attitude as far as not shooting inside the tent if he has any hope. we saw what happened when the last candidate, rudy giuliani, i believe, tried to ignore those conservative states like iowa and south carolina and go right to florida, didn't work very well. >> well, i want to get to the virginia governor's race before we get out of here. do you want to make any. do you think governor chris christie is well-positioned to start flying to des moines, iowa? >> he is. it's a caucus state, it's very, very conservative. and if anybody believes he didn't take the heat and hit the

tea party is out of their minds. he's been making this point over and over again. he's going to try to do this without the tea party and i think he wants to do it. >> and libertarian. >> libertarian. we're going to get to that next because the other governor's race we thought was going to be more of a blowout turned out to come right down to the wire. it was in virginia. here's cuccinelli who at the end of the night lost the race. >> despite being outspent by an unprecedented $16 million, this race came down to the wire because of obama care. that message will go out across america tonight. >> so, eric, most people, the conventional wisdom was he was going to lose big. i actually think the team mcauliffe team, their team sweat around the 7:30 hour when fairfax county came in, he was able to pull it off. >> i think maybe a couple of

weeks ago he was up by 14 or so and that narrowed it down to late in the night before he regained that northern to fairfax virgin fairfax, virginia, area. the point is, though, there's a libertarian candidate that got 6.6% of the vote and if you dig deeper, a, the guy wasn't very -- isn't very libertarian, number one, and number two, he was financed a big portion of his financing came from a very big obama bundler, obama supporter from texas no less. is this the game the democrats are going to start to play? they're going to try to divide the party by backing a third party candidate. and try to liquidate some -- marginalize some of the republican vote. probably. but the republicans better see it coming. >> absolutely no evidence of that. let me put it this way. >> of what? >> democrats fronted this guy. >> no, you have to show where your money comes from. this guy put a lot of money into the libertarian candidate. >> let me ask you a question. the libertarian -- i mean, the

tea party people opted for a convention in virginia which is sort of old hat. they didn't want to go to a primary which would've put the lieutenant governor in with the republican nomination but for moderate conservative. he would've beaten mcauliffe. another example of the tea party once again costing the republicans a seat. >> do you disagree? >> i disagree. i think that there's a couple of lessons from virginia. i rarely quote ed koch ever, but the voters have spoken and now they must be punished in the state of one thing i think really affected him was the rnc spent $9 million to get bob mcdonnell elected. this time around only $3 million. they have explaining to do on why they didn't invest resources there. number two, republicans and focusing on the social issues, dana, you've seen the exit polling. women, he lost women big. democrats set the same playbook that president obama did in the

presidential election convince women to think that cuccinelli was a right wing nut. i believe, dana, if the shutdown wouldn't have happened, if the republicans had gotten together, i think he would be governor today and that's why i think republicans need to wake up because strategy matters. >> cuccinelli and christie have on paper the same views on those issues. christie wins by 60%, wins women, minorities, did well and he doesn't. how does that happen? >> purity is great for the ego, but you've got to win first and then fight. i think if you have that backwards, you're going to lose. there's one race we haven't talked about new york city mayor was a blowout. this guy makes fidel castro look like john birch. and i believe it's going to be a

first -- a one-termer only because the new yorkers are going to wake up. this guy's so red, he's like a walking lobster. >> makes obama look conservative. >> very brief. the reason the republican national committee did not put money into this race is their bundlers were not willing to put money in a tea party race. >> a lot of stuff to chew on in that. next, bill cosby wants a major cultural shift in society and asking college students to help make it happen. you're going to hear from him when "the five" returns. [ male announcer ] this store knows how to handle a saturday crowd.

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as you point, take off their pants, it's being pushed on college campuses and the taxpayers are subsidizing it. one thing he did, greg, i really liked is this time around too, he spoke to women specifically and, again, black, white, hispanic, if women are going to allow men not to step up and allow them to sexual size them, then men are going to continue to do it. and he spoke directly to women about keeping your clothes on and, you're right, there's a lack of younger commentators, but i think his message was spot on. >> dana, what do you think? >> i think i miss "the cosby show" so much. but everybody wants something in your life that's a good guiding force. >> you miss the sweaters. >> it was a great show. i love the message and i hope more people listen to it. >> may be a great show, may be a great guy. now because i'm very sure, in fact, i'm positive there are a couple of sexual harassment

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civilized. we greatly appreciate you guys being loud and proud for the dolphins, but please be respectful and civilized and be sure to follow the fan code of conduct. thank you for following our fan code of conduct. anything less would be uncivilized. >> uncivilized? >> [ bleep ]. [ bleep ] you. >> listen. >> not wearing that white cardigan anymore, huh? well, local reporter in florida caught up with incognito and asked him about the controversy. >> what do you have to say about the storm you're in? >> i'm trying to weather the storm right now and this will pass. >> there's an allegation that you left these voice mails on jonathan martin's voice mail. what do you have to say about those? >> no comment right now. we're going to weather the storm

and that's it. >> the question is can he weather the storm? bob, he says he's going to try to hang in there. a lot of nfl commentators say there's no way that he's going to be able to hang in there. the commissioner roger goodell has appointed a special investigator to look into this as part of a bigger theme in the nfl. look, you've played football. they love to self-police in the locker rooms. at what point is it bullying and hazing of, say, a rookie who came on, made a lot of money, which is what they do in the nfl, and what point does it become a problem? >> i'll tell you where it's a problem. there's a new piece of information about this that sort of went by which is that the coaches ask him to toughen up martin. nobody seems to be able to put their names to it. that's one of the things you've do got to be careful about. when the coach says toughen the guy up, that leaves pretty much latitude to do what he wants to do. >> i was on record, i think, earlier in the week saying

richie incognito is wrong doing this. when coach tells you to toughen up a kid, you do what the coach tells you to. even if he took it too far, this is on the dolphins and coaching staff right now. my assessment is a lot of that stuff goes on all the time. once it goes public, you have to do something. the spotlight was on incognito. if he was told to do it, i would tell you, coaches heads are going to roll. richie incognito will be back in the starting lineup pretty soon. >> there's a culture of intimidation in football. i believe they have a collective bargaining agreement so if martin wanted to sue, i guess he could bring it under some kind of grievance proceeding. there are actually some miami dolphins players who are angry not at but martin for taking this outside of the locker room. >> and it could cost them money and it's embarrassing and the dolphins are embarrassed in front of the world. >> dolphins can't be embarrassed. >> they have feelings too, greg.

it's a strange development over the past several years. people in leadership seem to be clueless. remember when you were in class and somebody threw a spit ball and the guy who threw the spit ball had to raise his hand and stand up -- why didn't this coaching staff. who was on the coaching staff with no honor and dignity to stand up and say, okay, i'm the one that has to toughen him up. i shouldn't have done that. and then the dolphin players don't have to be mad at anybo more. >> you heard about the eagles. they pushed players around, haze, looks like goodell's going to crack down on this. isn't this part of a larger culture of corruption and cover-up? dana mentioned, why don't people speak up? like penn state, what level did they know about it and don't speak up because they condone the behavior. >> well, a lot of my own personal research has been quite shocking and i'd like to talk about it but not here because it can disgust you.

but he should change his name or wear a disguise so incognito could be more incognito. i love how he says he's weathering the storm. a storm he created. like an obama voter complaining about obama care. >> a movie which he said he ordered code red on guys that got killed and he said you can't handle the truth and i don't think the miami coach can handle the truth. >> here's what's going to happen, they're going to lean on philbin because he's the head coach. he shot the spit ball, whoever shot the spit ball told incognito to lean on martin, he'll get fired -- >> they can move on. >> they can move on. >> get rid of the dolphins, not the team, just the animal -- >> that's racist. >> that is racist. >> you quoted nicholson? >> yeah. >> it's like a few good men without the murder. it's one of the fastest growing sports in america. child cage fighting. is it a real sport or is it

child abuse? we will discuss that directly ahead.

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child cage fighting is a growing sport in america. 3 million kids as young as 5 are duking it out while adults standby and watch and it's 100% legal. they're punching, kicking and doing choke holds on one another. a lot of critics call it barbar barbaric. go ahead, eric. >> i'm shocked when i read 3 million, their estimate. i hope the estimates are right. it's an outrage if it is. as young as 5, little boys crying because they're getting beat with gloves. i'm not sure there's a standard weight glove. they're getting hit, getting hurt. kids' bones are still growing. their cartilage is still growing. maybe at 14, 15 years old, you open it up. but prior to that, i'm concerned. and on the girls side, if you watch the tiaras and toddlers is just as much abusive to a little

girl. >> you probably don't know this, but this is a take-off on the professional cage fighting --. >> i know. >> i don't understand this. i don't understand why people would think this is a good way to raise children. books are great. >> what are you talking about? >> this is fantastic for kids. the only thing missing is betting. if you're not betting on them, what's the point? i am concerned about safety because if you're in the audience, i don't want to get hit in the face with a pacifier. i just don't need that. look, coming out against this is too easy, people. it's just too easy. >> i'm for it. >> that's what i'm saying. got to make this story interesting. >> i have front-row tickets saturday night. i cannot wait. my bet is on tiny tim. he's only 6 years old. of course it's deeply disturbing. but i'm more disturbed by the parents who somehow think this is a good idea. what goes through a parent's

brain that would make them say, yeah, i want to train my little kid to kick the crap out of another little kid and make money off of it. >> maybe these kids are outside causing problemsen and they're trying to get them involved -- >> good try. >> these kids are kicking, they're knocking people down, chokeholds. they punch at them. it is the most barbaric sport i've seen at this and the professional level. it ought to be banned. it is very, very dangerous and somebody's going to die if it's not a kid, it's going to be an older guy. >> you're not suggesting banning mma? >> yeah, i am. >> i would push back on that hard. >> i would say you don't let kids do it. >> you can be on your parents' health insurance until they're 26. >> are you going to say that to everything? >> yes. >> "one more thing" is up next.

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all right. time for "one more thing." last night, jon stewart took another cheap shot at me. he and his team of creative producers selectively edited two sound bites i made regarding two completely different topics.

and those were almost three years apart. jon, you and your crew of misinformation producers, usually reserved for the likes of jay carney and president o. i'd love to set the record straight at some point. that's it. i'm done there. >> billy graham who's turning 95 this month decided to do one of his final specials. and the fox news channel has decided to air tomorrow evening at 10:00 p.m. with sean hannity, uninterrupted billy graham delivering one of his final messages. listen to billy graham weigh in on this last chapter. >> i began so many years ago. come to the cross! the gospel is for everyone. >> god has done this.

our country is in great need of a spiritual awakening. >> i'm a friend of franklin graham, his son. he used to be a meth addict and cleaned himself up. >> this is tomorrow night at 10:00 p.m. on "hannity". >> i want to give a shoutout to the author of this book. i've read most of this -- take off your wig. it's amazing. if you are interested in what's going on now, how they used to do it back in the george washington days, highly recommend the book. >> you sick people.

it's time for "i hate these people." all right. 18th floor, there's a microwave in the kitchen. there are people that sit around that microwave. you got lunch, you want to reheat yesterday's salmon with the broccoli. do you understand that you stink the hallway up? do you understand what that does to other co-workers? do you understand just because you can have that doesn't mean we have to stink up every place? i hate you! >> okay. well done. you're up. >> turkey's always been considered to be the country that bridges asia and europe. and tiger woods was asked to hit a ball across from asia into europe. and he did. slowed down traffic for i don't know how long. but only tiger could do that. do you think he did that for nothing? >> speaking of turkeys. >> how much? >> millions, i assume.

>> $3 million? >> that's it for us on "the five." thanks for watching. see you tomorrow, everybody. momentum builds from democrats for big changes to obama care. this is "special report." good evening. i'm bret baier. a huge development this afternoon. president obama, vice president biden and more than a dozen senate democrats met to discuss the disastrous obama care rollout. these are vulnerable democrats facing voters next year. and the word is they are frustrated, to put it mildly. we have fox team coverage tonight. mike emanuel looks at kathleen sebelius on capitol hill again