how about focus on what people are doing now. just get them jobs. then work out the tonight, the president's subpar apology. >> we put in a clause in the law that said, if you had one of those plans, even if it was subpar, when the law was passed, you could keep it. and sorry they are fipding themselves in this situation based on assurances they got from me. >> hello, i'm kimberly guilfoyle along with dana perino and greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 in new york and this is "the five." >> really sorry for breaking his promise to millions of americans? if they like their health care

plans, they can keep them. why did he feed them a bunch of sorry excuses. >> we are talking 5% of the population. a lot of the plans are subpar plans. the majority will be better off. everybody is asking if the existing market was working. >> let's get right to it. this interview came out after the show last night and we have been waiting to respond. dana, we are going to begin with you. >> i noticed the president used a golf analogy. sub par. i thought it was sorry apology. a few people in the media trying to move on and help the president. because it seemed so insincere. if you are going to apologize, you have to go all in. seriously apologize. he said it in a passive voice.

it wasn't i'm sorry, therefore i'm going to do these three things. he's like sorry, life sucks. >> sometimes sorry isn't good enough. >> subpar is good in golf. >> it is? >> kind of like i'm sorry i punched you in the face and you are bleeding, but i'm not going. he can apologize for the big lie. the broken promise, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. it's going to bend the cost curve down, another lie. he promised $2500 lower in family health premiums. three years into it being a law, it's literally the exact opposite. $1281 higher than when we signed it into the law.

check's in the mail. >> this isn't looking too good for the president. greg? >> yeah. i'm still mad you took my golf joke. >> no, i came up with it myself. >> oh, please. >> kindergarten alert. >> i'm sorry they are finding themselves in this situation. you see what he's done there, it's actual think action of the person who lost their health insurance that are responsible. kimberly, i'm sorry you parked your car in the place i ran into it. he's the guy that leaves the anonymous note on your wi windshield and drives off. he didn't do anything. imagine if you did this to your spouse, i'm sorry you were hurt by these actions opposed to, i'm sorry i was a jerk. if you pulled this crap with a good woman you would be out fast

than you can say bill clinton. >> sorry you took it the wrong way. >> yeah. >> let's welcome julie to the program. >> thank you for having me. >> i wish i could disagree with you guys. >> what can you do? >> i'm digging deep. i'm ticked off. here i am and a bunch of democrats saying it is a good program, i think it is, but the execution has been so horrific it's harder to buy into it. really making it harder for people to support it. the president's numbers are going down. if this was the president's number one priority, how did they bundle it this way? >> bungle what? >> the whole thing. >> what did he apologize for? he apologized for 5% of the population that will lose their insurance when the reality could be up to 25% or 30%. some estimate 120 million

americans are going to lose health care. what is he going to say then? if he's apologizing for 14 million? >> they aren't going to lose it, they will go on the exchange. they had years to get it done. they knew it was going to be a problem months ago. how it never became a problem, i don't know. >> because the bill was never read. the bill was like the bad sushi you buy without checking the selby date or smelling it. you go home, have it and throw up. >> you have the worst digestive system. >> i do. >> all these things happened because no one read it and no one cared. they believed in the greater good of this giant bill. it's going to save everybody. then you start biting into it and everybody is sick. >> remember when pelosi said you have to pass the bill to find out what is in it. you had to pass it for people called crazy, racist and mean

saying this idea is not going to work. nothing personal,itis about the idea and the policy. now that it isn't working, it's difficult for democrats because julia mentioned the website not working. maybe they will get it to the point -- there's two things i saw today where they might not get it to the point. one was that jeffrey who is in charge of trying to fix it all reports the more people get on, the more problems they are finding. remember when you said it was like pulling the string on the sweater? the sweater is starting to unravel. who could be more brilliant than you to have said that? my second point has left the building. >> i have something for you. obama trying to justify this. it's probably the worst apology i have heard and i have heard a few from men. here is the president's apology. this is yesterday. take a listen to this.

>> i think for the most part people know that i speak my mind and i tell folk what is i think. i have been clear about what i am trying to do. what we have been trying to do is change it in the least disruptive way possible. ultimately, i will be judged on whether this thing is better for people overall. >> so he's saying, we are off to a bad start. let's all come together, forget the things i said, forget the lies, the confusion. it's going to be better when this actually gets going and more than six people can log on. >> i think he was very, very correct in the last part of the statement. i will be judged on how this unfolds. he will be. this is his legacy. it's going to be a terrible legacy because it was bungled in the beginning then people will realize how bad it is. republicans asking for a delay

is a mistake. let it happen. let it unroll, how bad it is, let the costs go up and insurance go up, then we win. >> what about next week? >> that's what we were saying before the shutdown. >> oh, my gosh. >> web we were saying don't do the shutdown. hey, let this thing unravel. let it unravel. >> i'm simply saying delay it now because the website is so bungled. >> i agree. >> no. we lost 2014 candidates, democrats running with this structure. >> let them fall on their health care. >> here is the problem. the law hinges on the young people. the fact that this website is not working is not allowing young people to sign up. that's the problem. it's financially the problem. at the white house, that's what

they are worried about. >> we go way back. >> way back. >> just because the website's not working that's why young people aren't signing up? >> no. young people gravitate to a website. the more people see young people read and see and hear bad news about this. >> how about when the premiums are going to skyrocket and they realize it's more expensive to sign up for it. >> young people increases year after year. it's not just 95 bucks, it's 95 bucks if you make a small amount of money. there's ways to make it work. the administration is not doing it. >> she's agreeing with you. >> no, no, no, she wasn't agreeing. she said the reason why young people aren't signing up is because of the website. i think young people still aren't going to sign up.

>> besides the apology, i think it would be been good for president obama to come out and say i apologize, i wish the website had been better. it's what we paid for. on behalf of the american taxpayer, i'm asking the contractor to give the money back. that would have been powerful. >> you know what they have done since it didn't work, they realized it wasn't going to work, they paid five more contracts, $7 million more after they realized how bad it was. not only did he not apologize. >> you seem upset. i want to get you more upset if possible. greg, i'll ask you to respond to this thought. this is the president talking ability kathleen sa automobileioautomobilbailious. listen to this. >> i think kathleen sebelius under tremendously difficult circumstances over the past four years has done a great job in setting up the insurance markets

so there is a good product out there for people to get. kathleen sebelius doesn't write code. ultimately, the buck stops with me. i'm the president. this is my team. if it's not working, it's my job to get it fixed. >> does that sort of sound like accountability? >> it's never happened with anybody who had experience in the private sector. >> you are watching bureaucrats in the private sector. never blame the customer. here, politicians, bureaucrats, they have the power behind them. the idea that you matter is false. you can call something a substandard plan. behind all this -- the threat of force. if there's no threat of force behind the policing of the irs, we could laugh at this and forget about it and go on with

our lives and figure it out for ourselves. we can't do that. we could be arrested. no, no. we can't say screw this. what if you don't pay the penalty? there's a threat of force and coercion behind the law or else it would be funny. itis not funny because it's worse. >> i remembered my second point. a lot of insurance companies are starting to tell some of the insurance industry not lobbies, reporters that there's not a single insurance company that thinks this website is going to be up and running by november 30th. if i was working for the insurance company, i would get ahead of that now. the white house has shown their willingness to blame the insurance for bungling. they ought to get in front of this. if it's not fixed november 30th,

the insurance companies better distance themselves from it. >> delay the implementation of the mandate until the website is fixed and fixed for good. regardless of what happens, you need metrics. otherwise, people like me go out there saying this is a good idea and have egg on their face. the person with egg on their face is barack obama. as a democrat, i'm upset about that. >> remember when he spent the first year or so talking about green jobs? turns out, the greenest job there is is the presidency. there's no one greener than him. >> isn't that a clever joke? >> i wrote it down. >> a week from yesterday, we'll find out the actual numbers. mine guess, it will be under 1 million people. maybe half a million, who knows. whatever it is, they need 7

million by march to make the numbers work and they're not going to make it work. the buck stops here with me. are you sick of hearing politicians say that? how about once of the buck stopping where someone screwed up? >> that buck is now with inflation at about $10,000. >> good quick math. coming up, the president has addressed the rumors for the first time that vp joe was almost locked out for secretary hill on his re-election ticket. did he want to boot biden in 2012? you going to find out. and he's giving us fresh material to add to his blooper reel. you want a good chuckle, you should stick around. his bloope reel. you want a good chuckle, you should stick around.

this week, more than a dozen democratic lawmakers senators showed up at the white house to demand some answers from

president. they are nervous because the political firestorm that is raging around his health care law that we talked about in the a block is going to cost them possibly their seats in next year's midterm elections. charles crow hammer doesn't think they're going to be able to escape the rollout disaster though. here's him. >> the president now is toxic. the thing is called obama care. there's no running away from it. it's got his name on it. you see the president and you think about the policy and you know it's a disaster. the problem for the democrats is they are hostage to a bunch of geeks working right now late into the night trying to fix a system which is not just the glitches we're talking about, the architecture, the underlying structure of it is wrong. if it isn't up and running, they're going to start postponements and the whole thing unravels. >> i was in new orleans. senator landrieu has a very tough race. she didn't actually join the president at his speech today,

although she flew down with him. julie, let's get your take on this first. are red state democrats nervous about obama care in particular going into next year's election? which is usually tough for the president in power. they usually lose seats in that midterm anyway. >> think they're keeping an eye on it but i think luckily for the democratic party, the republican party is in worse shape. unlike eric's ex-boyfriend chris christie the republicans don't win as much anymore. so when you have the ken cuccinellis of the world losing, a republican losing to a democrat, i think democrats are than republicans are. >> bullish statement. >> all right, yes. >> you want to respond? >> can i just point something out that terry mcauliffe had a 14-point lead with three weeks left to go before the election and the obama care debacle tightened that race up. >> only counts in horseshoes.

>> i think honestly -- you're a democratic strategist, right, you have to admit the obama care -- this can't be helpful to someone who's running in -- >> it's not. what's less helpful is the republicans still have the shutdown around their necks and that's something. if you look at polls, that's the one thing. i think republican brand, republican party -- >> but people will forget the shutdown in the next six months and they aren't going to forget obama care. >> unless ted cruz decides to shut it down again. if they behave themselves for the next year, maybe. we'll see. >> obama care is like tuberculosis. you get it, you're isolated. >> i don't even know what that means. >> you're very morose today. >> can i see the picture of the senators up again like we had earlier? all those guys meeting with obama, that picture? this is the periodic table of idiots. the big lesson about how this happened, the democrats became terrified of the monster that

they created. and the monster was the accusation of racism, which was used on anybody that was critical of president obama for the last five years. what happened is you couldn't go to president obama and be critical about him, about his signature achievement, for fear that perhaps you might be tainted with the same brush as racism. they fell victim to their own instrument, their own devise of destruction, and i have no pity for these people. >> i don't know where to begin with that. >> just stay angry. >> i don't agree at all. i just criticized the president in the first block. >> but it is true -- in those first two years when president obama was trying to get the law passed, if you said anything negative, i remember being at an event -- that was an amazing meeting. >> there was an undercurrent, even if somebody said you're a

racist, you must not like the president because he's black, and you don't want people to have health care. kimberly -- >> do you think that the problems with obama care now have enough lasting power to have an impact on the election next year? >> okay. multiple choice question. answer selections are, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. you can't go wrong with yes. i think that's what it's going to prove to be. anybody who's running in 2014 better worry about this. there's so much sound out there that they can run these commercials night and day and it's going to hang like an albatross around the necks of these candidates that were supportive of obama care. i think the senator said it best. you cannot escape it. it's like a stinky old coat that you have to keep putting on every time. oh, my god, can everyone else smell that coat? that's the problem. >> it's really not called obama care. >> he called it -- he said i want everybody to call it -- >> because i care. >> he put his name on it. he said, you can now call it

obama care. he gave the blessing. eric, if you are republicans and you've got about 11 months to go until the next election, at so point do they have to pivot to say here's -- >> maybe, if you want to, it doesn't hurt. let's try insurance across state lines. all the other things that they propose. don't forget, about a year from now, right around election time, around the end of the year, republicans can see that, a month after the election, they can say, look, look at the expense. if people don't sign up, whatever the estimated cost for obama care is going to be bigger than that. they'll be another trillion dollars on top. i would go, look, you promised us 900 billion. now it's 2.8 trillion. when does it end? if you keep going forward -- you need to elect republican senators really to get some sort of change. you will never get rid of the law or at least not for now.

>> now we all agree it's win, then fight. win, win, win. >> obama care is a snake bite that in the anti-svenom are the >> when greg's on, you have to pay attention. >> the nfl, two of its legends reveal how they're suffering physically from their football careers.

on espn's "around the horn" writer kevin blackstone ragged on the american flag uniforms northwestern university are donning to raise cash for the wounded warriors.

the star spangled banner, he hates that too. >> -- should also be selling the rest of the military symbolism, whether it's the war anthem to open every game, whether it's going to get a hot dog and being able to sign up for the army at the time. whether it's the nfl's epbrambr of the pat tillman story. it's been going on in sports since the world serie unless 1917 and it's time for people to back away. >> fun. blackstone claims we are conflating a war anthem with a simple game. accentuated by flayovers and recruiters on site. now, he may think he's daring but he's parroting the same old crud that the military's big, bad and impressive. our military's the only thing that se rates the free from the unfree. a walking cliche, reveling in words like symbolism and

mythology. he's the guy you avoid at parties. here's why, he's a professor. which proves maxim number five, put a professor anywhere and anywhere gets worse. sports is fun. people live flyovers. they don't mind the national anthem. you throw in a professor and suddenly it's war lick. this guy is a fun sucker. he sucks the fun out of everything. i hate to sit next to him on a long flight. he's lecture you on his peanut allergy. bombs drop. people die. nothing good ever comes of it. except for the american revoluti revolution, the end of slavery, the deaths of saddam hussein and the enabling of freedoms for billions. but why quibble? so about these uniforms -- >> that was good. >> thanks. >> he had a gluten allergy too. >> that's great. just pile on. don't even know the guy. anyway, where am i?

k.g., it's friday, i'm about checked out at this point. >> i can tell. >> what do you feel about the star spangled banner being played at games and uniforms? >> i love it, i'm a patriot through and through. i love everybody who's fought for this country for the free dopes we enjoy. >> that's a daring comment. >> i like to go way out on a ledge here at fox news. who will join me? >> i will push you off that ledge, i hate freedom. >> it was going so well. >> now that you said you hate freedom. >> i do. >> how do you feel about recruiters being at the games? >> i'm cool with it. whatever. you want to sign up? i have friends in the military. they're obviously much braver than i could ever be. if you don't want to sign up, what's the big deal? >> it's not like you have a gun to your head. >> little known fact that the star spangled banner has four

verses so mr. blackstone really be freaked out by the fourth verse. want me to read a little? then conquer we must when our cause it is just and this be our motto in god do we trust. >> he hates that. >> this song represents american freedom from oppression. what's the problem? i mean, it doesn't glorify war. it's just when you're on one of those talk shows and you just say what am i going to say? >> i bet he doesn't want to get a job with nbc that covers the olympics because when you win a medal, every country gets to play their anthem. that's the whole, like, joy of it. >> he's a downer. >> he's a debby downer. but one last question, julie, because you're a guest here, why does the left hate america? the troops and patriotism. >> i could take the entire show to subscribe to you in detail

how we go over how we're going to sell the hating of america. >> i knew it. >> the secret phone calls. i would need an entire hour. >> does bob make it on those calls? >> sometimes you hear bob snoring. >> he has his secretary take notes. >> is bob here? all right. >> absolutely. >> all right, coming up, everybody's favorite crazy uncle joe biden has made not one but two phone calls this week to a wrong number. we have to take the embarrassing voice mail he just left for your enjoyment. when "the five" returns.

we told you the other day on

"the five" a new book reveals president obama's campaign was considering a name change on the 2012 ticket from biden to clinton. president o. just addressed that rumor for the first time in an interview. >> if they asked me, i would have said there is no way i'm not running again with joe biden because i generally voted that he has been one of the best vice presidents in our history. when my back's up against this wall, he had my back. i would not be here if it weren't for the support i have from joe biden. he is a personal friend. and adviser. it's one of the best decisions that i've ever maid. >> best vp in history, our joe biden? the one who first called the wrong boston mayor-elect to congrat late him on and his second attempt did this on tuesday? >> this is joe biden. nice to see you win and nice to see labor win. anything i can do to help you

from the white house in terms of your needs, holler, man. >> the problem, that call went to tony, a female, who's not the mayor elect and she doesn't even live in boston. best ever, mr. president. what are your thoughts? >> i aprm going to -- i love to joe biden. i have a little crush on joe biden. i do. >> i could tell. >> i kind of get a little crazy eyed about joe biden. i love him. >> he's a likable guy, no question about it. president who says that might be one of the best vps in history. >> and obama care is awesome. i mean, do you believe anything he says anymore? i'm sorry. he likes joe. joe's been loyal to the president. that should count for something. i'm glad he had his back. if you don't think they weren't considering hillary, then you don't know politics.

>> where's joe been? >> he didn't play the phone call that got to the wrong -- they dial the phone and they say, here, sir, leave a message. it's not his fault. >> i think it's interesting -- >> we're going to play the gaffe reel but we played it -- >> the gaffes are fantastic. i love that big stick gaffe more than anybody. that's my favorite. i think he's been a good vice president for president obama. >> he's totally authentic. you guys complain about obama reading from the teleprompter. this guy obviously doesn't read from the teleprompter. he's totally awe then theic. >> can we get that picture of him where his hands are up like this? that's my favorite. this is when he put on his giant invisible hat. a lot of people have been telling him it doesn't exist. you know why obama loves joe biden?

because he makes obama look smart. they pray biden's going to have a gaffe so it will take the heat off becoobama. >> he's a decoy. >> and it works. you notice when president obama said about the switch, no one told me? and then he said the best decision he ever made was hiring biden? those two things don't jive. he's lying it. he either was involved in both decisions or none. >> what does president obama do? >> i think he stays out of it. i don't remember a president endorsing a successor. greg, you're being very negative on my imaginary boyfriend joe biden and i don't like it. >> -- allow that to get to that point, believe me. >> we'll see if hillary even runs. >> that's what we should have done the next block on. i have no insight on this. >> i have nothing nice to say about biden. he did a nice job, right, in the

debate when everybody -- against ryan. i thought he did pretty decent. he outperformed the expectation. >> he is the bomb, i love my boyfriend joe biden. >> term for us on "the five." what price is too high? new reports show nfl legends tony dorsett and terry bradshaw are suffering from big football hits. we'll debate the tradeoffs.

football is america's most popular sport and i'm the only american who doesn't watch it but companies at a price to those who play it. two legends speaking out about the physical toll the game has taken on their lives. one them is hall of fame quarterback terry bradshaw. tony dorsett is now suffering from a degenerative brain disease. dorsett just spoke about his health on espn's "outside the lines." he said, quote, my memory's

getting worse and worse. i'm very short tempered. clinically, i'm depressed. i'm too smart of a person to take my life but it's crossed my mind. eric, bail me out here because i know nothing about tony dorsett. >> first of all -- i was going to say. >> 25 years of being a writer with the drinking and the smoking, it's not that different in terps of mental decline. >> and digestive issues. >> co-host of "the five" with bob, you bang your head against the wall every day. help me out here. >> you know what you're getting into, these guys from the time they're this big. the nfl has ruled about the hits. these guys have to man up. they made millions upon millions of dollars in a violent game. >> would you let your son play football? >> i would. >> okay. dana, i hear you don't watch football either. >> i do watch. people who play rugby, they don't have any protection at

all. it's one of those things that all of us are hearing these stories and maybe it's because the media's paying more attention to it. i feel for them in a way. >> what do you think? >> i love football and i feel badly because i'm part of the problem i guess, that there's people like me who pay to go and watch it all the time. >> what's the problem? >> because there are very debilitating injuries that result from the game. but you sign up for it. there's a lot of attraction to it for players to go in. very lucrative careers. you go into it with an open mind that you might sustain injuries that could paralyze you, cause you brain damage, cause you some kind of par ral la sis. i would like ton see

protections. i would like ton see the league offer proper insurance for players. again, careful about decisions you make. >> let me read to you i couldn't focus and remember things. i got real upset. it was driving me nuts. i feel that way every day. i got tested to see the condition my brain was in and it's not good shape. what do you think? >> life is always going to be a risk/benefit equation. >> what you eat or drink. >> if you live in malibu, you have mud slides. if you play football, wealth, fame, prestige, women. as you get to 60, there may be a decline in faculties. terry bradshaw has had an exciting, wonderful life. he had an acting career. he's well liked.

i think if he could time travel, would he go back and tell his 18-year-old self to get out of this? he wouldn't. that's the question. it's bad, but you accept the risk. >> think of boxing. jobs, careers. >> how about military? >> military -- >> coal mining. >> that's a good point, military gets compensated a lot less for a lot more. >> we should take care of our veterans. i agree. go yankees. >> the easiest, movie stars have damage to their head using substances that icon democrat. >> america, one more thing, it's coming up next.

it's time for one more thing. we invite you to watch fox news because we know how much you love it. fox news reporting 50 years of questions, the jfk assassination is going to air saturday, november 9th, 9:00 eastern. you are going to see it when it repeats at 12:00 midnight. take a look.

>> november 22nd, 1963. the day begins with an exciting welcome for president kennedy outside his ft. worth, texas hotel. in nearby dallas, oswald goes to work with a hidden rifle. >> the blanket looked like equipment. i think it never occurred to michael it was a gun. >> 8:45 central time. in less than four hours, president kennedy will be dead. >> we'll be watching. we hope you join greg and the rest of the country. dana, you are up next. this week, a huge week for twitter. big ipo. i was watching with interest. i am quite a participant. what should my piece of the pie be? you can go on and find out how much of a contributor you are. there's all this math you can do. it turns out, twitter would owe me $77,000, no, 77,223, nearly

$80,000. part of that, of course, is my brilliance. the other part is this dog. there he is. who has grown up o twitter. i thought i would take a look to see how much my feuding partner here in twitter, how much he would be owed and it is $53,000. >> because i don't drive people crazy with pictures of your dog. dogs, dogs, dogs. >> you can find out how much twitter owes you. i'm washing in on my twitter account. >> cashing in. what a great transition. thank you dana perino. we are going destruct the big lies. take a look. >> the apology after the pledge. did president obama just join this club? >> no one in the white house

staff, no one in this administration, presently employed was involved in this bizarre incident. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. >> if you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan, period. >> all broken promises and backtracking. >> all right. go ahead. 11:30, dvr now. >> greg, now. >> let's see, i have three things. i hate these people. i hate these people! a lot of people ask me to do things because i'm a big tv star. they asked me to kell kimberly guilfoyle, tell her i said she's hot. >> hey, what does that mean? >> tell her to stop sending pictures of her dog. mike baker is a friend of fox news. there he is. he has a new tv show on the travel channel.

he's always on fox. >> he's a great guy. >> one of the greatest people, former cia. ugly. he's an ugly man. i feel bad for him. >> terrible muscle definition. >> red eye tomorrow night. >> all righty, then. what do you have? >> lady gaga will become the first artist to sing in outer space in 2015. i am hoping to stay there. i am not a fan of the lady gaga. >> just across the street. >> i could have gone over there and bullied her because i don't like her. i don't like her. >> she's already in outer space. >> yeah. yeah, yeah. not a fan. dana, you like lady gaga? >> no. i was saying i saw a headline where she said she struggled with her weight. anytime i have seen her, she looks amazing. >> did you hear the actress who -- reese?

>> witherspoon? >> no, with the knife. >> i heard it from a priest. cruise.ks for watching. follow me on twitter. have a great weekend. welcome to "hannity." the country was played and lied to by the administration about obama care. tonight to help us set the record straight about what the health care overhaul means for you and your families for the entire hour we'll be joined by a studio audience made up of doctors and pundits. you will hear from medical professionals about how your coverage will change thanks to this law. first let's remind the viewers how from the beginning the administration tried to use doctors to help sell the big lie. remember this? [ applause ] >> i am thll