check your local listings. thanks so much for watching. make it a great day. hello, i'm kelly wright. a brand-new hour inside america's news headquarters. >> i'm jamie colby. great to be with you, happy saturday. i want to give you an update on a devastating story. there are more than 1,000 people who are estimated to be dead right now in what could be the worst typhoon in history. where this is happening and where it could hit next. >> plus, secretary of state john kerry and other world powers are split on a possible deal to reduce iran's nuclear capability. the latest on the high stakes

talk in switzerland. >> a grand jury indicting 11 bikers including an undercover cop on a vicious attack on a driver in new york city. we'll tell you what's next for the men involved. let's get things started. a dramatic week in the battle over obama care. indiana congressman todd young bashing the affordable care act during the weekly gop address after hhs secretary kathleen b sebelius was grilled again by lawmakers and president obama apologized to the american people over promises that were not kept after the marketplace opened. molly heninburg is live in washington with a recap. >> add to that more maintenance work this weekend. on the obama care website. from today until tuesday morning. the irs will be working on part of the website that lets enrollees figure out if they're eligible for government

subsidies. that's one of the ways the obama administration has said it will reduce costs to people. some will be able to get taxpayer dollars to help pay for their plans. that part of the site will be down until tuesday morning. millions of people find out in the past month they'll be losing the health care plans they have now. republican todd young says americans feel betrayed by this and by the higher costs many are facing to buy new plans. >> next week, the house will take up the keep your health care act. which will ensure plans available today in the individual market can continue to exist. no one should have to go to their inbox or mailbox n feand they're losing a plan they like or, worse, a plan they need. >> president obama who said repeatedly over the past several years that americans who liked their health care plans could keep them apologized that people are, quote, finding themselves

in this situation. health and services secretary kathleen sebelius says the administration is looking for some way to help people kicked off their plans who do not qualify for government assistance. >> they're not eligible for subsidies so they're not seeing, you know, a price break in the marketplace. and figuring out who exactly they are, where they are, some will be small business owners. some are individuals. and what ways there can be to look at options for solutions is something that's under discussion. but there is no specific option right now. >> saying people are finding themselves in this situation because of assurances that he made. as for the website, secretary sebelius says it should be functioning, quote, much more optimally by the end of this month. on the heels of that apology, president obama is now pitching bipartisan support for parts of the affordable care act in hopes of making his signature

legislation workable for everyone. is his message actually getting through. we will have a fair and balanced debate with our political panel later in this hour. >> did you mention feisty? it will be feisty too. first, we want to begin with the latest on the series of the high stakes nuclear talks that are going on in geneva right now. secretary of state john kerry along with five other world powers are trying to come up with a possible deal over iran's nuclear program but they remain split over the best way to curb the iranian enrichment that's going on there and prevent tie ran from producing a nuclear weapon. our national security correspondent jennifer griffin joining us live today in our d.c. bureau with more. hi, jen. >> it seems the talks in geneva have hit a snag at least according to the french foreign minister who has been the most forth right and blunt about the problems in achieving a satisfactory interim deal. when secretary of state kerry abruptly changed his schedule to fly to geneva and the talks

entered an unexpected third day, hopes were raised that a deal might be close, then the reality set in. a tone coming from leaders involved in the meetings began to change. >> we haven't done the deal yet. we haven't made this deal yet. i think everybody will have to comment on it if and when we rephase a successful conclusion and make their judgment about it then. so i'd ask everyone to be patient and to wait for us to arrive at that conclusion if we can. >> the iranians want sanctions lifted immediately on their oil and banking sectors. the most effective of the international sanctions. and may not be satisfied with the west' proposal for a one-time infusion of $50 billion in cash that was frozen in european bank, when the sanctions went into effect. then there is the issue of iran's plutonium-producing reactor at arak. they don't want to suspend work

at arak and it is not clear the iranians will agree to western demands to downgrade its stockpile of higher enriched urani uranium. the iranians already have 440 pounds of this higher-enriched urani uranium. experts say just 100 pounds more and the iranians will have enough material for a single nuclear warhead. the talks in geneva which looks so promising when the secretary -- secretary kerry and others made their way to switzerland. those talks grind on. jamie. >> 100 pounds away from enough uranium for a nuclear weapon, just startling. keep us posted. undercover new york city police detective is now facing up to 25 years behind bars for his role in the brutal beating of a new york city driver. after he was chased through the streets of new york city by a swarm of bikers. you'll recall the video. the 32-year-old officer is one

of 11 bikers formally charged in the september 29th attack that sparked national outrage over footage showed the vicious beatdown. live in our newsroom with more details. quite a shock an undercover cop would be charged in this. >> grand jury in new york has shown there is enough evidence to move forward with officially charging the bikers in their roll for the attack. you'll remember the incident recorded off of one of the biker's helmets. it showed lina driving his range rover on the henry hudson parkway with his wife and 2-year-old daughter when he was surrounded by a swarm of motorcyclists. that's when police say he bumped a biker that had slowed in front of his vehicle. concerned for his safety, he ran over one of the bikers, critically injuring him. that's when the biker group followed hip, attacked the suv, dragged him out of the vehicle and beat him as his family

looked on. according to the 14-count indictment, 10 of the 11 bikers have been charged with gang assault in the first degree. all of the bikers face charges of assault, corruption and rioting. christopher cruz is facing criminal mischief charges for slowing down his bike, triggering the incident. the biker who slammed his helmet into the suv, he was also charged with criminal possession of a weapon and criminal mischief. robert sims, the man who first tried to open the suv door, he is facing criminal possession of a weapon. the undercover nypd detective was charged with gang assault, criminal mischief, riot, among other counts. he was off duty at the time, but police say he was caught on video participating in the attack, shattering the suv's back window. we reached out to the d.a.'s office and they declined to comment. brashak will be arraigned on november 20th. if convicted, all the men face

possible decades in jail. kelly. >> wow, thank you. in a case we've been following here, the verdict is in. guilty as charged. the utah doctor, martin mahas b degree murder in his wife's death. jurors not taking very long to side with prosecutors who say macneill gave his wife a dangerous cocktail of drugs and then drowned her in a bathtub in 2007. the verdict late last night, ending the courtroom drama that gripped the country for weeks. live from our west coast bureau, it's rare that the children of a suspect actually testify against that parent. >> absolutely, some of the testimony we saw in court was just extraordinary. it's probably one of the reasons why it took 11 hours of deliberations. the jury finally giving their verdict at 1:00 a.m. local time in provprovo, utah. this was the emotionally charged

moments the verdict was given. >> we, the jury, having reviewed the evidence and testimony in this case, find the defendant, as to count one, murder, guilty. >> it was a very tense atmosphere in the packed courtroom. although the microphone didn't actually pick it up, macneill's daughters, they yelped at the announcement and then burst into tears. one of the oldest girls says she was, quote, happy, he couldn't hurt anyone else. accused of knocking out michelle with a mix of pills after cosmetic surgery, a procedure he pushed her to have is what the court heard. prosecutors said he left her to die in the bathtub. he also may have held her under water for good measure. all so he could have a new life with the family nanny who the daughters had recognized as his secret lover. macneill appeared fixed,

purposely containing himself is the way people described him being in court. the defense had said the evidence against him was circumstantial and it had taken the prosecution some years to build the case. michelle died in 2007. what didn't come out in court is the macneill's arrest warrant contained an ex-girlfriend's explosive accusation that he killed a brother in a bathtub and that he tried to murder his mother some years ago. macneill will be sentenced on january 7th, and he faces up to 15 years to life. >> there were two girlfriends. any word of an appeal yet? since it was a circumstantial case, as you mentioned? >> you know what, this came very late in the night. we actually haven't heard from either the prosecution or the defense in their public statements made immediately after. we suspect because it was circumstantial there is room for that. we will see what happens before the sentencing. back to you. >> all right, thanks so much. on that late verdict reached

last night. thank you. kelly. we're talking some fox extreme weather out there. the red cross estimating a super typhoon killed more than 1,000 people in the philippines. and now there are growing fears that number will actually rise. the storm possibly the worst of its kind in history. and now vietnam is sitting in its cross hairs. authorities there ordering half a million evacuations. david piper streaming live now from bangkok with more details. >> yes, the real death and destruction is only becoming apparent. as you said, the death toll is likely to rise considerably over the next few days. now, typhoon haiyan smashed into the philippines friday, packing winds of nearly 200 miles per hour. experts believe it could be the strongest typhoon to make landfall in recorded history. central philippines felt the brunt of the storm. communities were ripped apart as the strong winds flung vehicles

about and tore down buildings. 15-foot high waves from a storm surge flooded coastal towns and villages. landslides and trees blocked roads, hampering their relief effort. there is still no communication with some communities. and it's been difficult to find out so far what has happened on some islands. the worst area reached by rescue teams so far is the coastal city of tacloban. aviation officials say flight crews reported bodies on the streets. the roads are still blocked leading into the town from the local airport. and can only be contacted by helicopter at this time. a u.n. disaster assessment team that has reached the city now reports a scene of devastation. the head of the team said he hasn't seen similar destruction since the ocean tsunami. the red cross says at least 1,000 people have died in just this one city. now making relief efforts to the hardest hit areas, but it's still not clear the scale of the

devastation. the typhoon is now moving across the south china sea. it's expected to hit central vietnam on sunday. 170,000 troops have been mobilized there. a massive evacuation of over 200,000 people from the coast is now under way. vietnam has already been hammered by two recent typhoons. and of course the typhoon season is well under way. but we've still got two months to go. back to you, kelly. >> david piper, wow, it's just devastating, what's happening over there. >> they're going to need a ton of help. to help us understand what a super typhoon is, our meteorologist is live in the weather center. this is about as extreme as it gets, right? >> this could be historic. this could be the strongest tropical cyclone we have ever seen make landfall. at 190-mile-per-hour sustained winds. an update on what a typhoon is, it's really basically the same thing as a hurricane. we call it a hurricane in the

atlantic. in the eastern pacific, it's called a typhoon. in the western pacific, it's called a cyclone in the indian ocean. so just different names for the same tropical entity. when we talk about the strength of the storm, one thing we looked at, especially satellite imagery, is how tight the eye is. this is a perfect circle. typically you only see this type of thing on satellite. a strong category 4 or 5 hurricane or cyclone. this is a super typhoon. category 3 or higher is typically what we call a super typhoon. the third typhoon to hit this year. there's another system behind this we're going to monitor in the next couple of days. if it is verified, it will be the strongest system ever to make landfall. the current record is hurricane camille in 1969 which devastated parts of mississippi and louisiana. incredible storm system. we're going to continue to

monitor it. >> sometimes mother nature makes no sense. thank you. kelly. >> new numbers suggesting the u.s. labor force is shrinking, coming up, we will take a look at what's behind this very troubling trend and what can be done to turn things around. so my dog and i we're going to go find it. it's out there somewhere spreading the good word about idaho potatoes and raising money for meals on wheels. but we'd really like our truck back, so if you see it, let us know, would you? thanks. what? i got this. [thinking] is it that time? the son picks up the check? [thinking] i'm still working. he's retired. i hope he's saving.

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president obama has now apoll juiapo apologized to the american public for the botched rollout of his signature health care law and now he's making an appeal for bipartisan support for the affordable care act. the goal is to make his signature legislation workable for everyone even if not everyone supports it as a whole. listen. >> republican governors in states like ohio, they're doing it too. we want to work with everybody. mayor, governor. wherever it is that wants to work with us here in louisiana to make sure that even if you don't support the overall plan, let's at least go ahead and make sure that the folks who don't have health insurance right now, let's make sure we do that. >> let's discuss fair and balanced with our political panel.

angela mcglowan and miguel, the former aide to harry reid. welcome to both of you. >> nice to be here. >> great to have you both. the president says he wants to see if there are any administrative solutions that he can personally see put into place that would rectify the wrongs that have been done to the people, millions we have to say, who have lost their plans that they wanted to keep. what are those? >> yeah, i got to tell you, i think the best thing would be if the president would work with congress. especially republicans in congress in order to fix this law. i'm sure there are things he could do administratively. republicans working with us, i think we can do a whole lot more to fix the law. >> angela, the president says he'll be personally involved with this. he's going to work personally to fix it. is that helpful? >> it is helpful, jamie.

my opponent is correct that the president should work with republicans. let's go back in history. it was a democratic house and senate that passed this bill. you had republicans that wanted to sit at the table but we didn't have room at the table. now the president's humility i don't think is going to save his legacy but it's time for redemption and the congress and the president should work together in concert, but it's just not the republicans, my friend, everybody needs to come together, and bottom line is this, the president's signature legislation does not work, and now it's time to fix it, when people have lost their health care plans. >> ride, until this point, we really didn't know the extent of the people that would not be able to keep their plans. our viewers were astute enough to understand the president again and again assured everyone if they liked their plan they could keep it. so what now? what will the president do other than apologizing? as a democrat, what's the impact of that apology? >> sure. a couple of things.

i think angela and i have a different recollection of history. that's not how i remember it. i remember republicans doing everything they could to scuttle this bill and not come in with any sort of ideas of their own. i also remember republicans over the last two years -- over the last two years -- >> paul ryan had a proposal. >> -- over the last two years, republicans have tried to appeal this bill without alternative. you can't just say i don't like obama care -- >> angela, hang on. >> you can't just say you don't like obama care and then just have nothing to come after that. but going back to your question, i think there are a few things. one is this is not going to get fixed overnight. it's not going to get fixed in a month. i think the first thing that needs to happen is for this website to get fixed. and people can look at all their

options and see if there's a better plan for them. as far as 2014 and how this is going, this is going to be an issue. >> today in louisiana, the president was with the home senator, mary landrieu, and she took the ride from washington on air force one, but did not attend the events that he was at. there's some speculation that he's just one democrat that will separate herself from the president. doesn't want to be seen with him. we don't know that to be the case. but do you have some concern of even the perception of that? ridell? >> this is going to, just as the government shutdown and there are going to be many issues, this is going to be an issue in 2014 and to ignore that would be ludicrous. i also know this, the american people aren't stupid. i think what they see is one group. you've got democrats who will say yes, we support this health care law, and there are flaws and we have to fix it. on the other side, you see republicans saying, well, we really don't like this law but

we don't have an alternative. >> in 2010, the republicans took over the house because of obama care. but speaker pelosi when they were debating the affordable care act said we have to pass the bill before we know what's in it. you have people voting for a bill they did not even read. that's number one. number two -- >> what about the apology? what's your feeling on that as a republican? >> the apology is too much, too little, too late. there's an old cliche. the truth crushed to the ground will rise again but a lie will never stand. the president, since his inaugural, lied to the american people and representatives from his administration over 37 times, saying if you like your health care plan, you can keep it. that was a lie. if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. that was a lie. >> guys, i'm getting the -- because kelly has a very special "beyond the dream" coming up. i appreciate you both being here and weighing in, both sides.

we'll see what happens, the president in louisiana, saying he's going to look closer and try to correct it all. thank you. >> thanks, jamie. in today's installment of "beyond the dream," we focus on a young man from raleigh, north carolina. i met him some 20 years ago. he was just a young 20-year-old owner of a barbershop. his grooal was to become a trai blaze, making his life better, for his family and the world. raleigh is home to people with a pioneer spirit. among them, james mont hue, a man who started with nothing but faith and a trdream to become a successful developer. >> i had one dream of doctoriin commercial office building. i didn't have any development experience. didn't know anybody and had no

money. >> fast forward to now. monty owns several medium sized shopping areas throughout the state. he even developed an apartment complex for senior citizens who are 62 and older. he says development and money has followed his dream to be successful, in doing things that make a difference, even in a tough economy. it's quite an accomplishment for a man who started out as a barber and from cosmo tology branched out into development. he attributes his success to god and listening to the wisdom of his single parent mother. >> she told me exactly this is what i'm going to accept. you have to have a high standard, you know, quality of life for yourself and the things you do need to be a certain standard. >> many people appreciate monte, a native son who's doing good. with the wealth he's accumulating, he's recycling his money and investing it into international projects in china and africa. proud of his hometown, he has embarked on trade missions for the city of raleigh.

establishing sister city programs in china and africa. his work in that area is receiving praise from members of raleigh's political leadership. >> his efforts bring promotion of what we're doing in the city of raleigh and how we are trying to reach out to another country to let them know we want to establish some kind of dialogue and relationship. also at the same time, he could be an economic boost for the city of raleigh. >> monte is working with new technology to help develop a way of developing clean water sources for countries where there's a shortage of the precious resource. one of the developments he's also involved in is building a new hospital in a town in nigeria. >> actually, hope. and it also lets them see what's possible when different groups of people from different parts of the world work together in a cole lob rative effort. >> he desires to be a global citizen, helping people all over the world live their life beyond the dream. >> i want people to be able to look at it, the positive role i

set, and say if he can do it, can do it too, because i started with nothing. >> nothing but a vision and a dream of course and a whole lot of hard work and prayer. living life "beyond the dream." >> just one of the great people you've brought us, thanks. it's almost 50 years since one of the darkest days in american history, the assassination of president john f. kennedy. a look at what we've learned since next. how are things with the new guy?

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in my research at the archives had been one of the few private citizens to be given access to the magic bullet, the bullet fragments. >> he wrote a detailed analysis on his own time. he spoke to fox news. >> i submitted my report to the

attorney general janet reno in april 1995. >> she took your report and kicked it over to the fbi. >> that's part of our special investigation airing tonight here on the fox news channel. it's been almost 50 years since one of the darkest days in american history. the assassination of president john f. kennedy to this day, many are skeptical of the government's official report. our investigation centers on whether the doubters can actually prove it. now more details and his perspective on all of this. this is a tragic day, the assassination of the 35th president of the united states. to this day, we still have questions, more questions and answers about his death. was there a conspiracy to kill him? did lee harvey oswald act alone? >> so far, no one's found evidence of a conspiracy. there are holes in the story.

but every murder investigation has holes that cannot be filled. today it's easy to plug in a sinister explanation, but that doesn't mean it is the explanation. >> tonight's fox news channel's 50th anniversary special will actually examine the last hour of jfk's life. it will focus on the fbi investigation. the botched autopsy. and even ask why the warren commission's conclusion that lee harvey oswald acting alone is still raising doubts. have you drawn any of your own conclusion, by being the curator there? >> the museum is neutral, it's a history museum, but we all have our opinions. like most people and all the public opinion surveys have shown this for decades, most people are not satisfied with the oswald did it all by himself conclusion. yet, every single investigation concluded oswald killed kennedy. >> what kind of questions do you

get from people who visit the museum, when they look out the window where oswald took aim at the president as his motorcade passed by the book depository? >> they ask questions like that. one of the interesting things is when hunters come through the museum, they may have some proconceived idea. once they see the distance is so short, it's under 90 yards, they think well most anyone could do this. it's a real problem even to this day, is that no motive has ever been attached to oswald. without a motive, it's hard to accept the official conclusion. >> i'm flat you raise that issue about the motive. there were some concerns about the president making the trip in the first place to texas because of initial reports of a small group of extremists who were contributing to political tensions there in dallas and other parts of texas a month before the president even arrived there. u.s. ambassador to the u.n.ed anally stevens had been physically attacked. so when you look at him deciding

he can ease those tension, what was going through the mind of lee harveys an wald at the time? was he one of these pro-castro supporters? >> well, he was, but personally one of the most important things to me anyway is the fact that when he left the house that morning, he left behind virtually every dollar to his name and his wedding ring. this is a man who's not coming home. he had a dead-end job this was going to end in a couple weeks, a minimum wage job. he'd lost most every job he'd ever had. a man with no future. he knew it. he had a wife and two young daughters to support. for whatever reason, he made a decision. when you try to mail in a conspiracy theory of some sort with oswald, you have to wonder how did a second person land on lee harveys s aoswald as his b to carry out this murder?

when you look at it objectively, virtually all of these conspiracy theories fall apart. he liked president kennedy, according to the few who knew him. he never expressed dissatisfaction with the president. he disagreed with some u.s. policies toward cuba. besides that, there's no known motive. >> we thank you for your insights. we thank you for the work you're doing out there keeping history preserved for us. tonight, fox news investigates even deeper with an in depth look. catch fox news reporting. 50 years of questions. the jfk assassination hosted by our own bill hemmer. it airs tonight at 9:00 p.m. and again at midnight right here on fox news channel. immediately following, geraldo gives his analysis of the assassination. you can catch geraldo at large at 10:00 p.m. eastern. the u.s. jobs participation rate appears to be shrinking despite solid job growth recent palestini

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has been taken outside a spacecraft. there are some growing concerns over the weekend as new numbers come out. u.s. labor force is actually shrinking. and it's happening pretty rapidly. according to the labor department, last month's unemployment rate rose slightly from 7.2% to 7.3%. and while that is only a slight change, the current labor participation rate is only 62.8% and that is a 35-year low. what is behind this troubling trend? and what can we do to maybe turn things around? let's talk to dominic tovela, financial adviser and president of tovela investments. if you want a job today, can you find one? >> well, in this particular case, i think the answer is yes. but it may not be the job you train for. i think this is really a big

part of what's going on. we've watched literally over the last four or five years the labor participation rate just shrinking on a monthly quarterly annual basis. >> those are the people looking for work? >> exactly right. so what's going on is we're seeing the unemployment rate come down. it looks great on paper. the reality is is people have stopped looking for jobs. last month alone, estimates between 700 and 800,000 people have just stopped looking. the unemployment number looks good but it's an artificial number. >> there's another trend that's happening. i wonder how much we should worry about it. more and more people are going on disability. and this is going to cost our country money. how big a trend is that? >> well, it's really in the big scheme of things it's a huge problem. on a multiple layer level. we're looking at this age group, 65 years old. typically, middle management. typically pretty good compensation. $155,000 a year job.

good job. they get laid off. they take an early retirement package. their skill set really doesn't put them in a place -- typically they don't write source code. i don't even know what that l k looks like. >> what is it, is that computer? >> something along those lines. my kids know. the reality is that age group typically hard working, good jobs, good salaries, adding to society tax revenue, social security revenue, all a sudden, they can't find a job. they can't find a job either at all or at their skill level. so they either have to come down, they're serving at mcdonald's which they don't want to do or they take a disability claim if they have an injury. they're going into social security if they're over 62 years old. they're draining down their 401ks, their irss, their investments, particularly big problem. >> is 7% going to be the new normal where people -- and if so, how do we empower these

people to get back and participate, even if it means taking the job that isn't their be all, end all eventual job? >> so two parts. first, the 7% unfortunately, we may see coming down because of the participation rate. usually what happens is when the economy picks up, people who have stopped looking for work, they come back in. so it's really not unusual for the unemployment rate to tick up as the economy gets better. as far as this group is concerned, look, these are very hard working, educated people. we need to find an environment where we can use their skill sets. i've hired two myself in my first in the last two years. >> because the confidence is building. >> quality, hard working people. >> maybe this is a psychological situation. maybe these people have just been sitting out on the sidelines or frustrated for so long that they're thinking what's the point. >> i emphasize hard working people. all of a sudden, they don't have a job. i think as an employer, something like myself, you have to go look past. maybe they don't have the

perfect skill set. they're bringing other value to their company that can be tremendous over the next 10, 15 year. i'd be able to hire employees i would have never deeped of hiring because they're available. >> if you can, can you hire a veteran? i'm saying because it's veterans weekend and veterans day is coming but the fact is the skill set, the commitment and discipline and what we owe them for serving and protecting us. >> jamie, you're absolutely right, hard-working, committed focus. they may not have the perfect skills. they add value to your company. >> they certainly are valuable. thank you so much. kelly, a former military man himself. >> that's right. jamie, i agree with you. hire a vet. meantime, changes could be coming to some of the foods we eat. the fda is planning to ban some substances that can keep foods like these fresh for weeks. what this means to your health and diet. that's next. as a business owner, i'm constantly putting out fires. so i deserve a small business credit card with amazing rewards. with the spark cascard from capital one,

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welcome back. changes could be coming to many of the foods that you eat, as the fda plans to ban transfats. those fan fats are mostly found processed foods and have been linked to a host of health problems out there. why is the fda only saying now that they are no longer safe?

let's bring in dr. nina radcliffe, a private practice md. why now? >> well, it's time for us to say our fond farewells to margarine. the not butter which was once considered the healthy alternative is now on life support and we're about to pull the plug. not only do they not improve our health but they're harmful for our health. >> a lot of people were frustrated about this. they're saying the government should stay out of their business inclouding telling people what to eat and what they shouldn't eat. are they right? >> we always play the seesaw between personal freedom as well as public health. we're going back and forth with this. what to eat what to drink, what to smoke. actually mcdonald's, kfc, as well as taco bell have already stopped using transfats. we're also seeing cisco, one of the largest industries, is already starting pulling out the transfats. >> what do transfats do? >> they're actually hydrogen added to liquid oils. the reason they do this is so we can add texture as well as taste

and to improve the shelf life. i have a little experiment. i have a doughnut for us that we've been holding for two weeks. it's still soft. i don't know if they have the screen for that. so that's been sitting around for two weeks. i want to see how long it lasts. it's still soft. >> and that's in your body. >> yes. >> so you take that kind of stuff -- >> it's not natural. >> it causes hardens of the arteries, can cause diabetes? so if that's the case, could it be considered something toxic entering your body and will the fda be right to help the american people? >> that's exactly what it is. it increases our ldl and increases our bad cholesterol. this is a generation of plaque on our or tearal walls. >> the food industry spends a lot of money finding out what kind of taste people will always be addicted tore eed to or attr including this bliss taste where they put sthuger and salt and

fat together to keep you coming back for more. how do you fight against that without some intervention without the good old fda? >> we're playing the seesaw. personal freedom versus public health. what we're seeing is these companies are pulling out because we do have substitutions such as soybean oil. they're doing the right thing in this sense. >> i think they are. a lot us need to be told. jamie's always telling me, chill out on some of the fats. >> i love you, i want you to be healthy. >> can you have an addiction to transfats? >> i don't think there's an addiction, but it does taste good. pastries, microwave popcorn, frozen pizzas, they taste yummy. hopefully the companies will do the right things and we'll be able to pull it. >> some of an my favorite snack they take out the fat, they put in more sugar. could that happen even if the fda clamps down, we get something else that's bad for

us? >> yes, it's possible. >> see, i told you, celery sticks are the way to go. what's the locker number on that doughnut because someone over there wants to go down and grab the 4-day-old still soft doughnut. >> i'm really surprised about that bliss point experiment where food industry people actually tested it to see how they could get people to actually going back and buying chips and all kinds of other things that had salt and sugar and we're just under attack. great marketing and great things that taste good. >> that aren't good. >> correct, they want it to taste yummy, they want to sell more. we have to decide what is healthy and what's not. >> will the fda save lives with this. >> it's possible. it can prevent up to 20,000 heart attacks. and that's why it's important for the fda to take a step forward with this. >> and that's a good note to end this on. saving lives. >> correct. >> saving people from heart attacks. >> definitely. >> maybe we can reduce childhood

obesity too. >> definitely. >> always good to have you with us. >> thank you very much. >> another thing they're taking away but for our health, kelly. that's going to do it for us. i'm jamie colby. great to have you here. >> "the journal editorial" is coming up next. what we've all been missing. with the arcades, elves, and even a picture with santa. [ male announcer ] the rhythm of life. [ whistle blowing ] where do you hear that beat? campbell's healthy request soup lets you hear it in your heart. [ basketball bouncing ] heart healthy. [ m'm... ] great taste. [ tapping ] sounds good. campbell's healthy request. m'm! m'm! good.® campbell's healthy request.

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