months old, he's now in remission. his superhero dream was made possible by the make a wish foundation. the mayor proclaiming november 15th as batkid day forever. great story. that's going to do it for me. have a great day. welcome to all of you. great to have you here. we're in america's news headquarters. >> thank you for joining us today on this saturday. topping the news at this hour, the obama care vote. some democrats breaking ranks with the administration over the botched health care rollout and they're teaming up with the republicans to try and let people keep their health care plan. >> well, more than a week after a super typhoon tore through the philippines, we'll show you.

>> you're looking at a 3-d computer generated plastic firearm. and guess what, you can make these, right in your own home. the danger is, they pass through medical detectors and that makes them illegal right now. the warning is that could change very soon. we'll tell you about the plastic guns that you can make on a computer. >> first, the dozens of democrats who are now turning their backs on the white house. 39 of them, in fact, now say president obama's health care fix doesn't go far enough. they're breaking ranks with the administration and they are voting with house republicans. on a bill that would allow the americans to keep their current plans and even allow new customers to buy those plans for more than a year despite the current health care law. molly heninburg is joining us live in washington. it is a mouthful that keeps

changing. tell us the very latest. a lot of people want to keep their plans but this is very interesting about democrats joining house republicans. >> looming midterm elections often have a way of getting lawmaker's attention. as do cancellation notices going out to constituents. 39 out of 192 house democrats voted for that house republican bill. the upton bill yesterday. which would allow americans to keep their health insurance plans even if the plans don't meet obama care standards. one california democrat who voted for the bill says he has to do what's best for his constituents back home. some house republicans say the problem is only going to get worse for democrats. >> when the employers start canceling their employer-based health care plans and putting those people in the exchange, it's going to get worse. the democrats own this law. it is a turkey.

it is a lemon. and it is just a question of time before a lot of democrats wake up to that fact. >> the president launched a preemptive strike on thursday before this vote on the upton bill yesterday and says his administration is trying to fix the problem and allow people to keep their plans. he also talked about the disastrous rollout of obama care and the effect on democrats. >> i feel deeply responsible for making it harder for them to continue to promote the core values that led them to support this thing in the first place. >> the upton bill probably will not make it through the democrat controlled senate but if it did, president obama likely would veto it because the bill also allows insurance companies to sell plans that don't meet obama care standards to people who did not have those plans previously. jamie. >> all right, with the very

latest for us from washington, thank you so much. eric. >> president obama's push to save the policies that were canceled sounds like the welcome relief people have been hoping for. what impact could it have on insurance companies? they have to try to navigate the chaotic landscape that surrounds the policies and issues dealing with obama care. elizabeth prann is live with the very latest about the warnings that prices could spike. >> with a month before the deadline set for customers to purchase plans on the exchange, insurance companies are dealing with a major flip and those executives, many of whom met at the white house yesterday, can't reinstate customers without the approval of state regulators. and that means undo what is three years in the making. >> imposing these change, at the last minute and taking some of the better business out of the pool they're being forced by the law to take on to their books,

that additional part of the pool they're being forced to take on, at suppressed rates, certainly does raise the solvency issue and going forward raises a pricing issue as well. >> "the washington post" reporting states are split. while florida, north carolina, ohio and kentucky, as well as texas, so far, has said insurers will have the opportunity to sell these plans. but a number have already rejected the president's renewal proposal, warning it could raise premiums. that includes rhode island, vermont and washington state. they say they'll stay the course. states such as maryland and kentucky, as well as others, are still weighing their options. the white house says, however, many will follow the problem's lead and the administration is confident in the fix. >> the affordable care act has within it the provision that allows insurance companies in those states where the state insurance commission, allow it to renew existing policies already. and that was true prior to the

problems that we've seen in the last several weeks with cancellation notices. what the president's fix does is extend that renewal period. >> that does create confusion over canceled or reinstated plans. those are the ones the insurance the most to comply. eric, back to you. >> that's a good point, if the younger people aren't in it, that means the older people who will need health care more that could impact the price obviously and make it more extensive for them. >> yes, very much a challenge for both the insurance companies and also people looking to buy plans now. >> of course this delay is only for one year so we'll have to see what happens next year. >> that's the same, by the way, the same time it expires for group insurance as well. >> okay. >> if you remember quickly the delay for group insurance for companies. >> fair enough. it's confusing and everyone's trying to sort it out. thanks so much. >> elizabeth, thank you. now for more on the philippines, the disaster agency there is

reporting at least 3,600 people are confirmed dead from super typhoon haiyan. about 1,200 others are still listed as missing. this is all more than a week after a monster storm ripped through the country. survivors trying to rebuild their lives every day since. our reporter is there joining us on the phone with the very latest. tell us what do they need, what do they have, how is it going. >> things are getting better every day. many we've spoken to have been critical of the initial response. the food shortages, the lack of tents, the emergency shelter. the u.n. estimates about 2 million are homeless. are many living in cars. there are plenty of abandoned cars. others have moved into to local schools where they were evacuated into initially. this morning, we were at the airport.

a couple came by and they asked for a printer and i couldn't figure out why. turns out they need the printer to make copies of photos to create posters for the missing. that's happening now around the city. the mayor of tacloban believes many were swept out to sea. we were told the body of one victim was found 15 miles away from where the typhoon initially hit. you know how you appreciate things more when they're threatened to be taken away? we're talking to many who are now just thankful to be alive. one man who i think you're seeing now, his family escaped the lower floor when they were trapped by the water. they were saved because they were underneath a mattress. he's going to rebuild his house but he said, you know, this experience more than anything makes him appreciate what he has. >> god, thank you for this

second life. i didn't mind our house, what happened to our house. the most important is we are complete. >> i can tell you that the u.s. military has become the go-to player in this disaster, if you will. they've already moved in more than a half a million pounds of food and evacuated about 3,000 people. that's like filling up 300 c-130s with victims of this and giving them to other cities. so they've moved in and the u.s. military, not only the u.s. district of washington but just the support out of manila and the rest of the fleet has been incredible here. >> of course. >> because this was of course an overwhelming disaster. >> they need every ounce of help. thank you so much, william, for calling attention to it. i know our viewers are the most generous in the world. if you'd like to help those affected by this typhoon, all you have to do is go to fox

news.com. there are all sorts of resources, lists of groups that you can contact online or by calling to help in this recovery. eric, i just want to tell you just one story that really struck me. when i went to cover a tsunami, a man was walking back and forth with a shoe, a child's shoe. i said through an interpreter why are you carrying that shoe, and he said my whole family washed away. one of my sons is the strongest. if he comes back, at least he'll have one shoe. so everything you do means something to these people who have been through so much. please help. >> it is so heartbreaking. such a tragedy. we're all so blessed. >> every day we are, you're right. >> if we can help, we will. meanwhile, back to international news. major surprise from albania. albania now rejecting a request by the u.s. to destroy syria's chemical weapons on its soil. albania has been closely lined with us for more than 20 years but now the refusal may be a

sign that the impoverished country is trying to charter its own course. the agency saying it can remain confident that the chemical weapons will be destroyed by the middle of next year. but albania's refusal to do that on its soil right now raises the question of exactly where that can happen. all right, we're getting some new video. a deadly blast that rocked afghanistan last night. it happened in the capital city. that explosion just hours after president hamid karzai announced u.s. and afghan negotiators had finished working on a controversial security deal ahead of next week's high level talks. and president obama back here at hope is scrambling to come up with a health care fix. meeting with the heads of several insurance companies. is it too little, too late though? we will debate all of of that fair and balanced. >> and talk about a mystery. a family of four missing for years turned up dead.

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welcome back, everybody. president obama's meeting fashion to face with health insurance executives at the white house. he did that yesterday. holding what he described as a, quote, brainstorming session, trying to fix all the problems associated with a truly blotched health care rollout. the white house maintains there's still plenty of time to sort it all out. listen. >> we do have a six-month enrollment period. we are a month and a half into that. so we're working decide with usually to make improvements to

the website. and more and more americans are able to enroll. >> will it get better? what happens if it doesn't? joining me now to discuss it, a fox news political analyst and david mercer, former finance director for the democratic national committee. great to see both of you. >> great to see you. >> let me start with you and ask you whether or not the president who it's been intimated would not approve the upton bill which would actually fine-tune, let's say, the affordable care act based on what we've seen with the rollout. if he's not in favor of that, what is his specific issue with it? and what alternative is he presenting? >> well, i think we heard two days ago the alternative or at least his proposal, which is to extend -- which is to allow insurance companies to do two things. when the insured is -- policy is expiring, that they have a chance to renew it and not just

being canceled or dropped off. and that they are informed as to the alternatives they have, whether through the exchanges or other policies that may be offered. i think that is the crux of what his policy and the thrust of his policy is. keeping whole the maintenance or the development of the website and the exchanges in nearly 36 states now. and for providing for people to access affordable health care. i think that's the distinction. rather than just allowing for policies to continue to be sold. it's to allow for the renewal of those existing policies -- >> jamie, i'm confused. david, i feel sorry for you and your party to try to defend what this president is attempted to do. the bottom line is this, too much, too little, too late. for the president to have a brainstorming meeting with insurance companies, this should have happened before we even voted on the affordable care act in 2010.

and, jamie, even with what he's proposed, states are opting out. states are opting in. it is confusing. >> you know what, angela -- >> jamie, hold on one second -- >> i want to let you finish. to your point, let's ask david. i am confused as well. if the president is just having a brainstorming session now, that means he doesn't know the answer on how to fix it. specifically, do you, because more than 39 house democrats, i understand, have sided with republicans and so far the affordable care act has been divided almost strictly on party lines. what's happened with these 39 democrat also? what is the message they're sending the president? david? >> well, two things. one, all politics is local. some of the members have to vote from what they may deem to be an interest among their constituents. regarding angela's point recording the insurance companies or the ceos, they have worked with the administration since the start -- or the

legislation passed. however, we have seen there needs to be greater clarifications and working together but not unilaterally. >> greater clarification? >> secondly, if i might point out, when medicare part d under bush was rolled out, it ran into the same challenges and -- that were overcome. there's not a congressman you could find now that would say we need to get rid of medicare part d. i think that will be the same with the affordable care act -- >> is that true, because i see a bigger issue as well. we're in a fragile economy. we want to continue to see a recovery. we need a greater recovery. if kmart is staying open on thanksgiving day, obviously people are looking for greater revenue and sales. and we'll talk about that coming up. but there's a concern about even destabilization. because at this point the risk pool has changed significantly from what was expected for the people not being able to sign up.

this could end up costing much more to people who can't afford it than was anticipated. >> exactly -- >> where do we go from here? >> where do we go from here? the president needs to stop with the arrogance and actually work with the congress. republicans need to stop with the rhetoric and the right wing talking points. democrats need to stop looking at all politics as local and do your job. fix it. because the american people are suffering. and what's so sad, jamie, the hispanic community, the black community and the poor, they're suffering the most and they supported this president. they believed his pledges. but we have the digital divide where we don't have computers to be able to log on. and in the hispanic community, with the website, you're talking about medicare part d, there is supposed to be a spanish version of the website and the white house has people answering the phones that don't really speak spanish. the bottom line is this -- >> sounds like there's a laundry list of issues that need to be

addressed. meeting with insurance executives may answer some of them. david, how do we answer all the others? how much time do we have? >> i think we know that march is the deadline for people to get enrolled. i'll also say that with the discussion that we're having and attention being brought to bear on all of this, that you're going to have greater promotion of the accessibility of the exchanges. and people becoming more informed as to what their options are. getting rid of the confusion that came with the consolation letters and people not knowing what to do. but there are options. and there are choices for consumers to make. and i will say that this happens -- we're heightening this now in terms of the attention given to it -- >> i'm going to let david have the last word here -- >> these policies are a year, maybe two years, and just constantly rollover or are canceled, but now you have choices with the exchanges and

the affordable care act providing for those exchanges. >> -- to what bush did with medicare part d, fast forward, we're more technology savvy, those talking points do not work and we need solutions. >> that may be but apparently not savvy enough because this website is still struggling. i appreciate you being here and weighing in. great to have both sides represented. thank you so much. have a great day. now to kelly wright's series "beyond the dream." it is now celebrating its 26th year of representing 300,000 students who attend 47 historically black colleges and universities. some of those prestigious schools include howard university and tuskogee institute. in today's report, kelly focuses on how the organization continues to prepare students for success in life.

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police in southern california say four skeletons were found in a desert and they're believed to be those of a missing family. a couple and their two young sons vanished from san diego county three years ago. investigators say they were apparent homicide victims. today is the last day for the search for the man who fell or jumped from a small private plane off the coast of miami. after the pilot made an urgent call saying the passenger opened the door of the plane and fell out. authorities do not expect foul play. former treasury secretary tim geithner has a new job, joining private equity firm warburg hinton. you want a gun? maybe you can make your own right there. all it takes is a computer, a special 3-d printer and presto, you've got a plastic gun. they say it's able to go right

through metal detectors. these types of plastic guns have been illegal since 1988 but that law is about to expire and one senator is sounding the alarm. >> anyone, a terrorist, someone who's mentally ill, a spousal abuser, a felon, can essentially open a gun factory in their garage. the only thing they need, a computer and a little over a thousand dollars. no background check. and you don't even have to leave your house to make hundreds of these guns. >> is the danger real? robb wielder, former homicide detective, join us now. plastic guns you can make in your own basement what do you think of this? >> one of those laws that needs to be renewed. it's not an effort to try to keep weapons out of the hands of law-abiding citizens. we clearly don't want to do that. the problem with these particular guns, even more specifically, we in law enforcement have with it, is the fact that these guns are

untraceable, they don't have serial number, and the real kicker of this is the fact that if somebody were to use one of these weapons to commit a crime after the crime all they have to do is melt the gun down because the gun is made out of solid plastic and it melts very easily. so there's a lot of issues that comes along with these plastic weapons. >> so theoretically, you could take the gun and kill somebody and just melt it down and destroy it? >> absolutely. all you need is just a match. here's the thing. the plaintistic that's used to these weapons is just like the plastic that's used to make water bottles that we all have. it's the same type of plastic. it's the same type of computer program. and so you use a c.a.t. designer, a c.a.t. printer, you go ahead and upload the file and the printer will print out and make the gun for you. there's no metal object in this gun, so what does that mean, that just simply means that you can get this gun through tsa, in

schools and anywhere else. that's a major problem. >> how come this law's allowed to expire in the first place? it's called the undetectable firearms law. it's going to be expiring. wouldn't it be something that's automatic? how can this be allowed in the first place? >> you're exactly right. that's why everyone, especially in law enforcement, is hoping congress will do the right thing and quickly renew this law. it is up for renewal. according to some folks over at the congressional building, apparently it's not on the calendar to be talked about. but hopefully somebody will raise the flag and will renew this law because it's very dangerous. we don't want people making weapons in their garages. >> supporters say there's no evidence these guns have even been used. the creator called it tech knnob

te lib terrorism. >> the same guy is in the process right now of making a plastic gun clip that can get through our metal detector systems. i'm not sure where this guy is coming from. at the end of the day, we need to push back on this because it's going to get in the hands of the wrong people. a wanna be terrorist or an active shooter or somebody like that. somebody that may be mentally unstable. that's what we have to try to prevent. there's no need for plastic guns. >> they say when it was put on the internet the plans were downloaded 100,000 times. that mean there's 100,000 of these blue prints out there. >> absolutely, i think i'd be kidding myself to say that they haven't tried to make these guns. not only here in the united states but over in the uk and other countries, we know for a fact some folks have tried to make these guns. they've taken the blueprint off of the internet. once it's out there, it's out there and it's still available. at least we have the law. the law obviously isn't going to stop the bad guy from producing

the guns but if we have the gun, it give us in law enforcement a little more ammunition to try to put a stop to those using this weapon unlawfully. >> when will this law be voted on? >> i hope soon, like within the next couple of weeks. i believe congress will do the right thing and renew this law. it's something we don't need. we don't need people making plastic guns in their homes. >> rob wheeler, former homicide detective, who knows what it's like to be on the streets. thanks so much. well, we report, you decide. they're already used to sniff out criminal activity in our airports and other public spaces. often they're better at it than humans. now there's a new push to use our trained police drawinogs to combat violence in our schools as an alternative to guns.

more from our new york city newsroom. >> it's called canines for kids. a nonprofit program offering our nation's zoos and colleges trained canines at no cost to patrol highways and prevent violence like school shootings. the founder says doggings ares better alternative in classrooms. trained canines can detect the smell of explosives well before potential perpetrators get a chance to begin their violent sprees. >> i think that canines provide a softer gentler alternative to a gun. i'm sure there's some teachers out there qualified to handle a gun. i think forcibly asking them to do so just puts those teachers in a bad position. >> christy says there's no need to be concerned with dog attacks or allergic re, an because kid get close to the dogs.

>> you may get lucky and it turn out fine, but if anything it could give that type for ten more kids. or five more kids. if it's one life, it would be worth the money. >> some national organizations say while dogs are useful, they are unpredictable and may instill fear in schools. they believe money should be directed towards mental health insurances. quote, there is a lack of mental health awarenesawareness, lack counseling. so far, two schools in texas are using the canines for kids program and over 200 schools around the country have submitted applications. jamie. >> it's interesting to note that the person would started that program is a member of the national rifle association. it's not that she's against

guns, she just thinks it's a safe alternative in schools, right? >> exactly right. >> money is coming in from volunteers for the program. follow it for us and let us know how it's going. thank you, brian. more retailers are opening their doors on thanksgiving day. that holiday, well, that move is drawing some sharp criticism. is it fair? with the folks behind the counters are saying about that decision.

kmart's announced plans to open its doors for black friday at 6:00 a.m. the day before on thanksgiving day. it is one of many retailers that have similar plans. the companies say their thanksgiving day staffing will be employees who volunteer. they will work that holiday. some are outraged though by the plans. patricia powell is founder and ceo of foc eceo of powell financial group. are you open thanksgiving day? >> not a chance. >> they're going to get a jump start on stores that are not open on thursday. is it a good business decision? >> it's interesting. we won't know whether it's good until they report results. they start at 6:00 a.m. they've been opening at 6:00 p.m. after everybody's had their dinner. people go out and have dinner. now it's 6:00 a.m. that's a different dynamic. it will be interesting. it's not just kmart but kmart's

the biggest one. gap is opening at 9:00 a.m. in case you need special jeans for your thanksgiving dinner. >> let me ask you about the fourth quarter for these stores. it's all important. >> absolutely. there's a reason they call it black friday, that friday after thanksgiving, because traditionally that was the day that all the retailers turned from being in the red financially to being in the black. now it's a really tough business. they are competing head on with each other. they're also competing with the internet. we all know about cyber monday. every year, the internet grabs a bigger share of sales. >> what does this mean for employees? initially many balked. some still are. then a lot of people signed up to work that day. >> a lot of companies that are requiring their people to work, they're giving them some kind of bonus pay or overtime. they're giving them meals. walmart is giving them an additional discount. so they put a lot of incentives

in to make them happy employees as they're coming in after thanksgiving. >> what do you think led to the decision? >> competition. this is really tough. i think if you've looked at retailers, they haven't been doing well. walmart's there. their same-store sales have been down. costco's up by 1%. that's less than inflation. it's only a few stores like macy's has been doing really well and michael kors. if you want that special bag, they're running out to buy them. michael kors revenue is up 39% other the same quarter last year. so there are a few hot spots but in general across the economy it's rather lackluster like the rest of the economy. >> is retail an indicator, before i let you go, of whether or not we're actually in a real recovery or not? because i know luxury goods numbers are more positive than the everyday consumer. >> right, that's exactly what's going on in the economy. we're a consumer driven economy and it's bifurcated. it's bifurcated by those who have money and those who don't.

those who have money are spending it on the upscale goods. those who don't have money are still struggling. but there are jobs anded there are 83,000 seasonal jobs this year. >> we're going to talk about that. >> so those are really good. this is a good thing. if you don't have a job, at least you can go out and get a seasonal job. >> please come back and talk to us about that because a lot of people are looking for temporary work. a nice plug for your spouse to get you that michael kors bag. >> good idea. >> i think patricia said the magic word. bonus pay. we'll see. if you're worried about the growing controversy over those cholesterol-lowering drugs, statins, there are reports doctors are pushing back against the new fda regulations that could open the way, they say, for as many as one-third of us to be put on these drugging,dru. do we need them? what are the side effects?

fox news alert. a small piper aircraft, a private plane, flying off the coast of miami, a passenger believed to have either jumped out of the plane or fallen out when the pilot reported the door had opened while the aircraft

was in flight. dade county search crews reporting they believe they have found a body and they do not suspect at this point any foul play. we will keep you posted as the story gets updated in our newsroom. have you heard about this controversy? some members of the medical community now pushing back against new fda guidelines dealing with cholesterol lowering drugs. those changes make it easier for pharmaceutical companies to get regulatory approval for those type of drugs. joining us now is dr. manny alvarez, senior managing editor, dr. manning, this is causing quite a furor over these statins and how many of us should take them. >> the cholesterol wars are here. look, guidelines changed the beginning of last week. now three things people have to remember. number one, no more trying to achieve levels of cholesterol.

before, we were taking numbers. you wanted to bring down your bad cholesterol. forget about that, no more chasing numbers. number two, more importantly who needs to be on medication. people with risk factors. you're looking at overall risk factors. whether you have diabetes or cardiovascular disease. if you have that probability of developing an m.i. or a stroke, you need to be on medication. number three, what medications are the ones we're talking about? we're talking about statins. they are the only ones up to this point that have been shown to reduce heart attack, and strokes. now comes a different story because there's other types of medication that have been in the pipelines. these are the pcsk-9 inhibitors. which is basically new medication that's going to target a specific gene to lower bad cholesterols. the pharmaceutical companies are saying that's okay, it's going to work, we don't need to do a lot of studies. now doctors are saying, wait, you told us not to chase

numbers. you want us to use something that really prevents heart attacks. the pharmaceutical companies are saying we have something that is going to help you lower bad cholesterol. more importantly, confused patients. >> what's your advice? you hear about the side effects, dealing with statin, muscle krumps and this sort of thing and the liver situation. >> well, look, all of these medications do have side effects. some people cannot take them because the side effects are quite significant. what i say to people right now, if you're taking statins, don't stop the medication but talk to your doctor. to see if you do meet the criteria. this is a good time to ask your doctor, look, i don't have any risk factors, i run, i exercise, i drink my, you know, glass of wine. maybe i don't need to be on medication. again, the time to have the conversation. but nonetheless, i think things will change a little bit more as time goes by. >> 249 million prescriptions for

statins? that's like almost everybody in america. >> big money. >> is there a danger? the magic pill? saying, i can eat my bacon, i don't have to exercise. >> that's the role of the physician or your health care provider to make sure they're just not popping pills but rather, you know, getting you up there and doing god's work so that you don't get a stroke or a heart attack. >> if you eat oatmeal and things like eric does and other healthy things, can you control it with diet alone? >> i got to tell you, there are natural ways to lower your cholesterol, believe it or not. if you do change to a more plant-based diet, bingo, things like that can happen. >> tried to get him back to burger and fries. >> we'll get those ring dings. >> oh, yeah, yeah. >> thanks so much, doc, for taking care of us today. that does it for us on this saturday. jamie and i will be back tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. >> i'm jamie colby. great to have you here.

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