hello, everyone. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is the five. president obama just wrapped up an interview that we'll tell you about in a hospital. when the president started to realize the rollout would be a big problem, he tried to convince americans that we would be better off under his plan. he tried to find success stories like this. >> i recently received a letter from a woman named jessica sanford in washington state. here's what she wrote. i am a single mom.

no child support. self-employed. and i haven't had insurance for 15 years because it's too expensive. i was crying the other day when i signed up, so much stress lifted. >> but that single mom's excitement quickly turned to disappointment. jessica has learned the affordable care act won't be affordable for her after all. >> it was a huge disappointment and especially since i had -- my story had been shared by the president, i felt like -- i just felt really embarrassed that he had quoted my story and then come to find that the washington health plan finder, the website here in our state, had grossly m miscalculated or they're having a problem figuring their tax credit. and so at least for right now, i'm not going to be

insurance. >> millions of americans are frustrated with the president and his deceit and it's showing in the polls. opposition to obama care, 57% oppose it. and gallup says more than half the country doesn't think the government should be involved in our health care in the first place. so before we get into the poll numbers, most politicians use these stories like sam in iowa, i was on a farm and met john, a small business openeiusiness ow. they can bite politicians if they're not vetted properly. this turns out to be a horror story much like the woman who was on the website who wasn't even a citizen. w >> you know you're in trouble like a grade school version of pip pippin. obama realizes laughter is really the best medicine and obama care lowers your stress by being hilariously incompetent tent. so in a way he's making us all feel better by being such a disaster. but i have to say, the big

question here is this problem for him temporary or is it forever. because he's been able to extricate himself from everything and move on as if nothing has happened. but this feels like quick sand. this is his greatest achievement and flimsier than his first pitch. i don't know how he gets out of this. >> this was a bad pitch. >> the greater good is now the worser bad. he taught everybody when big government succeeds, big government is evil. >> and if you look forward to 2014, you have to anticipate a lot of these businesses are probably going to start to drop coverage because that employer mandate will be running out right up into the point of the m mid firm elections. so how does the president get these stories? she be angry at the person that pd h handed him the story? >> the interesting thing for him is that later on, that woman jennifer isnsanford, she said s didn't blame the president.

she actually blames the state. this has never happened to any other president. he has some sort of ability to just have all negativity rebound off of him on to somebody else. and so what they do is the political office will gather all sorts of people sending in information on twitter or facebook and they will look for good stories to tell. and i think story telling when it's factual can be very powerful because it helps you think about, okay, so that explains that my neighbor or my sister or my mom, okay, i can visualize it. that's why americans and all humans have told stories over the years. it helps you explain something. when it turns out not to be crew, obviously that's the problem. i want to mention one thing about what president obama said in this interview. he talked about what they have learned with respect to setting up marketplaces is setting those things up is very challenging mechanically. and i think that's the lesson that americans are learning right now. that government doesn't set up

marketplaces well. the marketplace exists and leave it alone and we'll hopefully have the results that we would want. not hopefully. that's how the market place works. >> it can't make anything. it can only take anything. >> marco rubio had an excellent editorial. he warned of the subsidies that will be flying out the door especially to the insurance companies i would have to imagine if you're a shareholder, investing in one of these company, you have to be pretty furious and you want to know what are the financial implications. i'm going you promised me all these new enrollees. where are they. >> what the concern is that when obama care pushed the insurance companies to take high risk insures, they said you have to do it, pre-existing conditions, et cetera. along the lines. and they weren't sure how much it was going to cost them. insurance companies pushed back

and little noknown fact, they sd don't worry, if you're paying out too much, we'll come back and pay you for it. but cbo never scored it. so it was never part of how much obama care was sold to us it would cost. i can't find it. i've called the kaiser foundation. our brain room complaian't figu out. but we've talked about what this is. we're talking about this woman, jennifer sanford, she's having a problem with the real issue here with obama care. it's not the website. remember the analogy it's a hooker with a cold sore. >> stripper. >> stripper with a cold sore, cold sore will go away, but she's still a dropper. obama care is worse than a stripper. the costs are skyrocketing. the tax credits are going to cost billion upon billions of dollars helping out the insurance companies will cost billions. but again, i'll say it again,

it's the deductibles, family that can't afford to put the $3,000 or $5,000 up in front that they will have to do. if you have obama care, you have to -- it has to go out of your pocket first. maybe you'll get your tax credit. >> do most have deductibles now? >> not like this. >> nowhere near -- some of these deductibles are ten times what the families are used to paying. >> and his poll numbers have taken a hit, bob. you know polls very well. the president was out today trying to spin the negative polls. take a look to president obama trying to spin, basically his new argument is it's all relative because in washington, every is everyone is doing bad. >> we just have to break through the stubborn cycle and start working together. my understanding is nobody in this town is doing plaurly we p well when it comes to the opinions of the american people.

>> is that the right message, bob? i'm not doing well, but republicans aren't either, so whatever. >> right now obama is in a position where he's getting perilously close to -- i think it would be difficult to pass any major piece of legislation in the remainder of the second term. when you get down around -- whoever arou hover around the 40% marking something has to bring it back up and i don't see anything on the horizon save some war or something that would do that. the real issue is what does it do to the democrats in 2014. i don't think you can take the emotions and feels about obama care and transplant them 12 months and say that will be the election. one thing we're seeing in states where the state decided to take on this project themselves, they're doing very, very well. california, kentucky, minnesota, connecticut are onirunning way ahead of what they projected.

which are almost all republican states. >> no insurance market, state or federal, is doing above what they proceed skrejected. >> in kentucky, people have lost their plans more than have signed up for a plan. >> i suppose with all these things with the statistics where he keep hearing, i know the governor of kentucky says it has been highly successful. in california, they signed up triple what they did the first two week. >> but they projected 500,000 by the end of the first -- by november -- they got 20% of what they proceed skrektjectprojecte. >> i get what bob is trying to say. it's all relative. that's the argument they're trying to make. they're saying instead of the thousands and hundreds of thousands they predicted, 12 people signed up. so the numbers we got from kathleen sebelius were slightly better in the states, but way

below what the white house said they would be. greg, here is the future of the argument leading in to 2014 what bob said, he foreshadowed president obama did that as well came da, he said basically we wouldn't be having all these problems if republicans would have been more invested in making this work. listen. >> what was already going to be hard was operating within a very difficult political environment and we should have anticipated that that would create a rockier rollout than if democrats and republican were boast inveth inn success. one side is invested in failure and that makes i think the kind of iterative process of fixing glitches and fine tuning the law more challenging. >> you heard it, it's the republicans' fault. >> apparently he believes that

one side sis invested in failur while the other side achieves failure. he had a conference call and you had to find a website to get on the conference call. turned out the website that you needed to get on also failed. so i'm wondering if they will get another website up to discuss the failed website that was used to discuss the failed website. and that is the beauty of bureaucracy. incompetent tece continues to b jobs. >> that conference call was -- the invitation was septembnt ou his partisan army. when he talks about political crisis and governing that way, do you really think it's a good idea to just focus on your democratic army? i also think that he sounds increasingly and constantly resentful andantagonistic and aggressive toward opponents.

>> republicans did absolutely nothing about health care. nothing, zero. >> when someone says that you have a problem, you should admire that person. right? >> who did zero? >> republicans did zero. >> on what? they didn't vote for a bill they didn't agree with? >> i believed all along that the republicans basically position that entitlements like medicare and medicaid should go away. >> how is this their fault, though? even your advice was to stay away and let democrats own this mess. >> what i'm saying is the republicans -- obama is right to this september. the republicans have done nothing about dealing with the health care crisis in this country except harp on obama care. they have offered up nothing that makes any accepsense to me. >> you don't want to hear the alternatives. the only solution he'll have to come to, you have to remove the mandate. you can't fine people for not having insurance they can't get

and don't want. >> the whole thing falls apart. >> and it should. >> you want to see medicare and medicaid go away. >> it was just about getting votes. >> this is like the book case that no one can put together and falls apart after three months. ahead, who amore credit abi problems for the administration. new developments in the ir sft scandal and administration possibly cooking the books on job numbers during last year's election. and george zimmerman back in court.

you missed the best break ever. dana flipped out on bob. bob yelled at eric.

and eric said shut up. and then andrea said something. it was awesome. anyway, i lost my train of thought. oh, the new york "post" reports that a census bureau fumged data to make the jobs outlook appear rosier. according to census documents, the worker was told to make stuff up by hirer ups and happened during a time when obama really needed help to win re-election, of course. i say this is deja vu, but i don't want to owe depend tffend. but this is really getting old. irs, snowden, obama care. now the census. the scandals are chocolates on a conveyor belt and president obama is lucy. you remember that. so what did the "new york times" do? any blamed republicans for questioning their lack of trust in obama. amazing. like blaming a sap person fe in

not being as crazy as you. the real cull pprit is the propaganda machine, media come forward not to report a crime, but establish an alibi. he didn't lie. it's a glitch. so the media swallows the lies and regurgitates them as fact. president obama has now become the oakland of presidents seen from a speeding train on pluto. i want to go to this because you interviewed jack welch about this very topic. in which you were way ahead of the curve and you were discussing this odd thing going on with the unemployment numbers. let's roll the tape. >> i don't know what the right number is, but i'll tell you, these numbers don't smell right when you position about where the economy is right now.

>> the problem is household survey which is the unemployment rate. >> 60,000 phone calls. little room for error in that one. >> assumptions. little room for assumptions. just ironic that -- >> why are you being nice? >> i'm not being nice. i'm saying it's ironic that these assumptions all came this way the month before the election. you draw your own conclusions. >> eric, when you have this stuff coming out now, what happens? >> i'll tell you how that came about. about a couple months prior to that, i was watching the numbers and they weren't adding up. unemployment rate kept going down right in front of the election last year and no jobs were being created. 100,000 in a month, yet 500,000 people were somehow not counted. i happened to host for neil cavuto one day and jack welch says the same thing.

turns out we were right. they had been cooking the books. a leak came out late last night, they didn't know what to do, so they started fudging numbers. problem is they did it right in front of the election. this was the month of the election. >> and by the way, potential example of a similar experience with benghazi and the irs where they hide stuff and the media happily hides it for them. >> i was going to say the intentional deceit that they went to to help him get an a on the exam. it was like they knew obama couldn't get it if they didn't help him cheat. so they fudge the numbers. i think it was the new york times in very small print when this was going on actually explained that they did change the information formformula to number. and they ahead to create a lie about the video in benghazi. they targeted conservative groups. they were so unsure of themselves they had to go to this level in so many different

ways and if you can keep your doctor, you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. the level of lies on he have issue from health care to foreign affairs is jaw-dropping. but that's what they had to do. that's how not confident they were that president obama could actually win based on his record. >> bob, no surprise that the census bureau denies systemic manipulation, but even you you yourself have said the white house does engage in certain dubious behaviors to win elections. >> i didn't know it was that easy to cook the books. apparently it may be. with all the coverup and all the rest of this, it's just amazing to me that for some reason this is all coming out now and not before. was this something that benghazi, which i still think is a ridiculous argument all the way around. the irs thing is an important issue. but the rest of these things,

could being your books, i don't know of a presidential campaign in history that has not cooked up their best -- >> having the department of labor changing the -- >> would i have done it if i could have? i would have. >> the week of the election. >> yeah, i would have. >> is it right to do it? >> is any of this stuff right some when? you'll put your best foot forward and be gee sedeceitful it.? you'll put your best foot forward and be deceitful about it. nixon is the paragon of this. >> if you can cook the books, cook away? >> no, i said if you can cook the books that easily -- >> obama bought a restaurant. >> if he's done all this stuff this bad, impeach him and get it over with. >> finally speaking my language. dana, i just want to -- >> so overwhelming bad rap that

i can't take it. >> census bureau says we have no reason to believe there was this manipulation and deny all allegations of fraud. house oversight committee says we're taking this pretty seriously, we'll investigate these claims. what do you make of this? >> i think i was one of the people that said you are a conspiracy theorist because i didn't believe that the census bureau could be that organized. but this whistleblower comes out yesterday, last night, new york "post" writes the story. and it is chilling to think that you have so many people in the government that work for the taxpayers that are willing to help a partisan election. the interesting thing on the two states where they were making the phone calls, in their report, though, unemployment rates in those two states actually went up. so they say there are more whistleblowers to come out and more evidence. i think to have a full case, a finalized case, we need to see the rest of the evidence. >> so look what happens. they lay around with the numbers.

they promise you yyou can keep your doctor. and then he gets reelected. don't forget all this stuff happened prior to the election. >> and it was on the run right befo before consulate. >> his responsibility to make sure nobody took care of security in benghazi? just dump on him more and we'll keep dumping and dumping. and then you leave the republicans free of any responsibility for any of this stuff. and i get back to this argument about you say about entitlements. i still believe the republican party has contributed nothing to help obama get anything done. nothing. >> they didn't want republican help. >> that's considered a compliment. >> around here it is for sure. >> it's now become a giant bumper sticker, it's not my fault. >> remember they reelected him. >> and now they're paying for it. coming up, one of the biggest movie producers literally in hollywood trashes

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♪ you can't always get what you want, you can't always get what you want ♪ welcome back. let's do another fan favorite lightning round of hot topics and provocative comments. on today's menu, hollywood heavy weight, crack head mayor and questionable character. let's go. first up, big shot producer and guy who should be thanking his lucky stars the gene pool stumped his back side in a capitalist country.

harvey weinstein says he's embarrassed of america. >> this is the only country we don't have health care and a gun law. i've watched you talk about that. quite frankly, it's embarrassing. obama is not embarrassing. the country is embarrassing. >> go ahead. >> we don't have health care? where does he live? there is no health care in the united states? he also said country country cos us around the world. seriously, i agree with you party is the embarrassment. >> what do you think? >> he reflects hollywood. he's driven by guilt. it's like hating your parents. he's gotten so much from america that he detests it. and he is the last person to be talking about embarrassment. look at him. he's produced some of the biggest movies ever in american history, but he's embarrassed by

us. >> just because he's talented as a movie director doesn't mean he's a good political spokesperson. i just wonder where he's traveled in the world, the developing world and third world has no health care. that's what no health care looks like. it's quite different than america. >> it was obama's fault. >> leave it right there. next up, toronto mayor rob ford took a break from doing crack and alcohol, got feisty with matt lauer this morning on the "today" show. >> all they did is stab me in the back. and over issues, seam issues that i've admitted to that they do but nobody knows about it. that's dictatorship. and it's all personal. they aren't talking about my record. we've all made mistakes, matt. i'm not perfect. maybe you are. maybe other people are. i've made mistakes. i admitted to my mistakes.

>> is that better bn bernanke? >> for every night this guy is on drugs, oos nhe's not in the constituent's wallets. i'd rather have him bingeing on crack than taxes. >> canada's long national nightmare continues. i heard that on the way up to canada on the trip that people were saying to matt lauer please, please don't give him anymore attention. but he's an attention magnet. >> our twitter and facebook people said why do we keep talking about it. because it's interesting. >> he's far less embarrassing than obama is. >> very good. >> you know what, bob literally took the point and just pulled it out of my mouth. no, just kidding. i think finally it's not one of our mayors. we covered filner, we talked about the weiner, spitzer. for once i'm glad we're talking about one that is not our own.

>> very good. the last loser. recently acquitted george zimmerman back in a familiar prison jump suit, this time domestic abuse, here is the 911 call that landed him in hot water. >> where is his weapon? >> he just put it down. do not push me out of my house. he knows how to do this. >> bob. >> this just underscores my point about you allow a gun in the hands of a guy like this who is psychotic, it just proves that he shot and killed a poor teenaged kid and she should hav been in jail for murder. put guns in hands of unstable people like this, give them the front of whatever that ridiculous law is in florida about stand your ground and you'll find people like this and they're much more dangerous than trayvon martin ever was.

>> my point is this story is always in my mind reflected the flaws of the media when discussing stories like this. they give you two choices here. either you're for trayvon martin or you're for george zimmerman. he's a guy that was looking to be a hero. and he should not have a gun. and that trayvon martin was not an innocent person to begin with. but the fact is he didn't deserve to die. these two -- something happened between these guys that we'll never know. but i don't know why we always had to choose a side on this thing. it just wasn't any good all around. >> media likes to choose sides. >> and the reality is none of us was there to know exactly what happened. but a jury ruled. i just don't understand why when your life hangs in the balance the way that zimmerman's did why you then go and behave like this. it points to a larger problem. at least casey anthony went away. at least she behaves now. at least she keeps her head low.

george zimmerman now is abusing women? >> we have to go, but i just have to push back a little bit because what he did yesterday doesn't have any bearing on what he's accused of doing a couple years ago. >> same person. >> same person. >> same mindset. same idiot. next on the five -- selfie is the word of the year. stick away for our best picks of the best selfies even including our own. mine was earned orbiting the moon in 1971.

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selfie craze has become such a worldwide phenomenon the oxford ti dictionary made it their word of the year. the pope even took a self portrait. so when was the word first born? it's traced back to 2002 from a self-proclaimed drunk australian man who wrote sorry about the focus, it was a selfie. so here is the thing. michelle obama had a cute one with their dog. she got in on it. president clinton had one. check him out. there he goes. president obama even got one. but is this old fashioned. look at that camera. one of the policemen handed that to him. like a triple selfie. someone taking a picture of you taking a picture of someone

else. there is also this other one i like from space. so we've all been doing it. we know the most famous one. what is the most famous sell if i oi selfie of the year? weiner. he started the whole phenomenon. eric, doid you have one? >> josh talked me into it. roll it. >> that's cute. >> wait, an american flag in your selfie? that's a surprise. >> that's a good one. okay. what about you, bob? >> i never ever heard of the word selfie until today. i don't know what it is. you took one -- apparently that is us in the green room. >> that is us. >> all i can say is selfie this, i have no interest in it at all.

>> andrea, do you have one? >> i do. i take selfies like sometimes to see if this outfit looks good. but i'm very bad of it. when i cut my hair, i took a selfie to show my family and say do you like it. and then there is the before. and then there is -- >> you look like kate middleton in that picture. >> if you have long arms i find you can take really good selfies. >> do you ever run into that problem? >> oh, yeah. do you remember the me generation? now we're the look at me generation. and it's pathetic. remember, no one is as interested in how are you perceived as you. and i think year we're in a weird spot. knock it off. nobody cares. if you can't find somebody to take your picture, don't take your picture. >> i took a cute one of us.

p. >> that's not a selfie. >> can i restate my vote for the best of the year? do you have jasper's loaded? that would be the best. >> i he wasn't allowed. >> you're not bothered by people going can i take your picture. knowing you, you'd go no. >> i like it when people -- >> the runner up word? selfie won. twerk, that's a dumb one. showrooming. bitcoin. and binge watching. i kind of like that one. >> is that when you eat a lot of watches and throw them up? that's terrible. a lot of college kids doing that. >> you can really tell time well. >> rue ruins plumbing. today is a very special day in american history.

president lincoln delivered list address 150 years ago. how much do our kids know. >> what political party did abraham lincoln belong to? >> uhh -- >> oh, man. >> maybe it doesn't matter. more when the five returns. hi honey, did you get e toaster cozy? yep. got all the cozies. [ grandma ] with n fedex one rate, i could ll a box and ship it r one flat rate. so i kn untilt was full. you'd be crazy not to. is tt nana? [ male announcer ] fedex one rate. simple, flat rate shipping with the reliability of fedex.

dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. >> that was a clip from a project commemorating the 150th anniversary of the famous gettysburg address thwhich we'r remembering here today. all living presidents participated with other noble americans. it was one of the greatest speeches in history. but the truth is, some college kids don't know much about honest abe. >> what political party is abraham lincoln part of? >> i'm not sure. >> take a guess. >> can i have some options? >> democratic. >> democrat? >> republican.

>> take a guess. >> i want to say was he a democrat? >> republican. >> you got right. >> this probably underscores your point about the children who go to colleges to get themselves brainwashed about what have managed to obliterate the urban warfare. they are pro kkk, and they are against rights of blacks and they managed to make the republicansi racist when they infact created it. >> this is lost in translation over the years that the 13th amendment 100% republican support, and the 14 amendment

that granted freedom to slaves 100% republican support. i'm telling you those are the facts, bob. >> speaking as a racist myself here, that the -- now that we turned this into a bash democrat segment, what about the fact that kids don't know much about the history? history seems to be the most important thing we can have and more and more people have no track of history at all? >> i think it's president obama's fault. no i'm just kidding, bob. the schools have gotten away from basic history, reading, writing, math, they are teaching the kids to do soup and compost, i remember a friend showed me his young child's textbook, if you read it, you would think lincoln was a democrat. and i was outraged saying they

cannot write it like that. there's been a push to long co-op lincoln's legacy and hide the democratic party's behavior when he was president. >> do you agree with that? >> i am going to offer a contrary view. i think it doesn't matter if he is republican or democrat in their minds, they see him as a great president and i think that is fine with them. he belongs to the ages. he gave a speech that was so full of confidence. it takes a confident person to get up and give a speech, that is so short and panned by everyone at the time. and everyone apologized this past weekend because they panned it back 150 years ago and they are still apologizing for it. i think abraham lincoln is a great american president. >> exactly right, people do not forget that he was giving this before the bodies were buried --

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>> my turn right now? >> yes. >> one more thing? >> yes. >> okay. >> do we have the music? dun, dun, da, da, dun. >> we complain about daylight savings time because it's dark here early, but alaska had their last sunset until january 22nd, they are all the way up there, they great people, they are four hours behind, and the sun will not rise again until january 22nd. 65 days away. >> wow, all right. so send them good wishes. >> eric, quickly, again. a year ago going into the election, the numbers did not add up, watch. >> we are missing, 342,000 jobs. >> what do you mean missing? >> we are missing them, steve. people that are not longer unemployed but the job -- i've never seen 342,000 jobs in one month. if this number does not fix

itself, somehow saying we miscounted last month, i think congress should investigate the department of labor. >> so, this headline was put up on a stupid website, out of air, yeah, right. jon stewart called me crazy. crazy conspiracy theorist, bottom line, the numbers did not add up. >> wow, they go after you a lot. greg? >> it's new book. you can preorder it now. it's called "not cool" and it's how the desire to be liked by people who hate you can destroy your life and create disorder, you can preorder at retailers or go to ggutfeld.com and you can preorder it there. this book, i'm telling you, will change your life. look at that, it's beautiful too. >> it looks like a self-help book. >> it's not a self-help book.

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of music. it's kind of a big deal. is there no one else that they can name the department after? that s is it, thanks for watching. "special report" is up next. >> a new kind of march madness. new evidence the president knew last spring his health care roll-out was having major problems. this is "special report." ♪ good evening i'm bret baier, they saw it coming months in advance. we are learning more tonight about how much the obama administration knew of the disaster for its health care exchanges and how far back the sirens were blaring. we have fox team coverage here tonight. peter on why the website is is a gold mine for hackers.