cannot make a mistake. tonight a lot i'm eric bolling along with greg gutfeld and kimberly guilfoyle. it's 5:00 in new york city. this is "the five." obama care rollout, today's highlights, i.t. professionals warned that the website is a hacker's dream, your personal info at risk. at a fund-raiser in florida last night, kathleen sebelius gets nailed as healthcare.gov crashes just as the secretary smiles for her photo op. the law is falling apart at the seams and so is the president's approval rating, at an all-time

low, 37%. maybe dragging it down is americans' realization that the law is a disaster. 31% approval rating on obama care. how many people think the law is working out well? only 7%. what's the white house make of all this? as ed henry knows, ed, are they so insulated that they can't even fathom the thought of scratching and starting over? >> reporter: i think panic may be a bit strong, but they're deeply concerned, they're worried. pick your adjective. bottom line, they realize the bottom is falling out both for the president's approval rating and approval of this law. if you look at this cbs poll, you already laid out some of the top-line numbers. when you dig a little deeper, it's only like 31% approval of the law. that is a drop of 12 points in one month. well, what's happened in the last month? you've had the botched rollout and the president's broken promise about, you know, if you like your plan, you'll get to

keep it. they've been pushing back on all this. when i talk to top officials, that in the long run this is going to work out, but they're not fools. they understand they are in a deep hole right now, eric. >> bobby? >> ed, this is beckel. obama's ratings are extremely low now. i mean, the idea that somehow he can pull this out on his normal charismatic let me talk my way out of this i think is a little bit difficult. also it's fair to say that on the gallup poll, virtually every president, truman, nixon, johnson, ford, carter, reagan, h.w. bush, clinton and g.w. bush all had ratings lower than obama does now. the dimps is that this is something that's much bigger than the reasons they had their negatives. do you think they're in a political position to actually move things along? >> reporter: they still think they're going to get immigration going down the road and health care implemented. there are huge roadblocks now.

as you lay that out with the numbers, bottom line, they might not say this publicly, but most worrisome for them is when you look at the poll numbers in various national polls about trust in the president, as a person and as a president, that's falling as well. and there have been plenty of other crises for this president as there were for republicans and democrats as you just late out. and this president was always going to fall back on whether it was the government shutdown, debt ceiling crises, if it's one thing he's had over the republicans, people maybe didn't like his policies, but they still liked him personally. they still trusted him. that's obviously one reason why he won re-election last year. now they're losing trust in him over health care. that is the most dangerous part i think for him right now. >> ed, it's dana. you just mentioned they think they can roll out obama care fully. given various divisions, what do they mean by "fully"? and when they miss that november 30th deadline, do you expect

maybe the friday after thanksgiving saying they're pushing this along till spring? >> reporter: i think you're right. this administration and other administrations, you may have had a couple of those. >> i had a good one. on a friday after thanksgiving one time. it was a beautiful thing. >> reporter: well, look. here's the bottom line. i think, again, i don't want to rely too much on the polls. when you look at the cbs poll, what is it, 43% say repeal the thing outright, they know that there's not a majority for that right now and republicans are going to keep pushing to repeal it. i think more worrisome is that the poll says 48% say change this law. the president tried to stall last week by doing this executive fix. it's not really clear he has the executive power to delay these cancellation notices by one year. he's got the state insurance commissioners at the white house at this hour trying to convince them to try to go along with this plan. you know full well, it's not just republicans anymore on the

hill, there are democrats demanding changes to this law. to answer your question what'sing go to happen? i still don't think the law's going to be repealed so it's not going to be fully implemented as you asked, but will there be real substantive changes to this law? i think it's becoming more likely when you have this pressure on the prem. president. >> ed, it's kimberly. they've had a series of bad news events one after the next. tonight what are they thinking about, and tomorrow morning what are they bracing themselves for? >> reporter: to be honest, senior officials who have heard all of us say before his presidency is done, he's a lame duck, pick your story, benghazi, syria, backpedal and going to congress, the vote was looking like it was going to go down. then he says don't vote. let me talk to the american people instead. they kind of laugh off the idea that his presidency is over because they insist that we've sort of written the obituary before. the problem now is number one,

he's further along in his presidency, about to begin his second year of the second term. so time is finally running out, number one. and number two, what i mentioned about people not just being upset about the health care law but finally connecting it to the president and losing some trust in him, that makes it that much harder. what they're really fearful of is not just being unable to fully implement the health care law, but that he's not going to get anything else in his second term. immigration reform, a grand bargain budget deal. all of that is certainly on the back burner, to say the least. >> hey, ed. how's it going? >> reporter: good to see you. >> obama's number, they're plunging faster than a plumber on meth. i've heard a rumor -- i've heard a rumor that -- and i want you to verify this -- that they're going to rebrand obama care as an unmitigated disaster. therefore it's a huge success. >> reporter: so lower expectations -- >> they've lowered expectations to a point that you need a shovel to find them. what i don't understand is who

are the 7% that are saying that this law is working well? is it the same people that invested in olestra? where do they find the 7%? >> reporter: this is probably really not going to fully answer the question. >> it wasn't a full question, ed. i was just spewing nonsense. >> reporter: i'm not sure that many viewers understand it. needless to say. i think in all seriousness that, you know, the real problem for him is just simply that expectations could not be any lower right now. >> yeah. >> reporter: you know, you're joking about lowering expectations. he's hit rock bottom so this law, so there's only one way to go, up. >> ed, talk about the intro, the i.t. professionals saying that the website was only 60% functional when they decided to flip the switch and go. and the 40% part that wasn't functional was the pay part. i mean, they've got to be shaking their heads had the briefing room going how do we defend this thing anymore?

and then kathleen sebelius last night, if it wasn't a perfect timing photo op moment, the thing goes down as she's smiling for the cameras. how do they defend this stuff? >> reporter: well, i think on the payment plan, you're absolutely right, that it seems bizarre that they would move forward with everything when 30% or 40% of it is not fully built right now. it's the payment part. jay carney was asked this yesterday by one of my colleagues. what if people want to take advantage of the tax credits and enroll by the end of the month and the payment part is not ready? so do they not enroll? is it not ready for primetime? in addition to fixing the website's glitches and everything, if this payment system is not built in the next few weeks or at least by the end of the year before january 1st coverage and everything begins, that's another huge problem. the broader point i do have to make, in fairness to the white house, that they still insist they're going to get past the website problems, get past what you're raising, sebelius's photo opes and the like and that millions will be covered with health and a lot of people will

see their premiums come down. >> there are two things wrong there. >> reporter: between now and then, it's a lot to get from here to there. >> nobody opens a restaurant without first installing a cash register. this again illustrates why government does not know how the free market works. it should stay out of it. when her website broke down, you know what she said? she said, "this happens every day." shouldn't that tell you something that you're an incompetent boob if every time you try to do something, it breaks down? >> yeah. it kind of also tells you that we're the beta testing for a $4 trillion expansion. >> lemon. >> lemon, yeah. >> let me ask you a question. the most serious number in the poll i think is the trust factor for obama. now, there are a lot of democrats who would like to have a bill to vote on, not just take the executive action, but have a bill to vote on to delay this for a year or extend your current policies. the question i've got is don't they worry about putting a bill like that on the floor and opening it up for all kinds of

changes? >> reporter: sure, but i think there are democrats like mary landrieu who has one of the bills you're talking about who's facing a very restless electorate in louisiana, a state not too kind to this president, and there's a mark prior in arkansas who had even less votes for this president. they're facing the voters. the president is no longer facing the voters. they're going to want to put something on the senate floor to deal with this. because it seems to be that there are many democrats who think that the president's executive fix is not enough. and that's why you're pointing out the president doesn't want that bill on the floor because once you start pulling the strings on the suit, they think it's going to come apart. >> a couple quick ones, kimberly list. >> i think this issue is an important one and democrats and whether or not they're going to continue to jump ship. they're taking a lot of collateral damage because of their association with the president, because of the failure of this health care law. the hill is reporting that some of them are seething with anger, that he's never had a worse relationship with the party. what do you think? >> reporter: i think the

president may regret that there were a lot of relationships on capitol hill that he didn't build in the months and years when he was far more popular that he might have seeded them then, and they would be growing into the kind of thing where he has some friends on the hill who can help bail him out in a time of need like now. now, they also scoff at that here at the white house because they say they've had a earn didded republican opposition at every turn no matter what kind of democratic friends they have up there. the republicans are going to try to tear this law apart. and they still believe when they get past the website problems, et cetera, that come a year from now, voters might look at this on balance and say that the president was standing up to giving millions more insurance while the republicans didn't have an alternate plan, and that is a fair question to raise. if the republicans want to tear this down, what are they going to do instead? there is an issue to deal with, and they haven't really put together some broad-based alternati alternative. >> quick question, ed. what are you hearing about your christmas plans? are you headed to hawaii for two weeks with the prosecutes?

>> reporter: there are rumors of a hawaii trip, but i think i've been there many times, and i'm tired of breaking out the bermuda shorts, but i'd be more than happy to give them to eric. >> if you need a spray tan, we can help you out. >> ed, when you're there, look for greg brady's tiki doll. >> that's right. >> oh, my god. missing. >> reporter: that could be the missing piece to this whole puzzle. >> so i've heard. >> thank you so much for hanging out with us for 12 minutes or so. ahead, it's a vicious game, and gangs of teens across the country are playing it. it's called knockout, and they're hurting innocent, unsuspecting victims. we'll tell you a story you probably won't hear anywhere else but fox. and also, it's been almost 50 years since jfk was assassinated. would he be welcome in today's democrat party? coming up on "the five." democrat party? coming up on "the five." [ male announcer ] 'tis the season of more.

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isn't because there's a little-known provision tucked away in obama care -- aren't they all -- that would allow insurance companies to receive a government bailout if they experience unexpected charges under the law. do americans really want to give another blank check to the administration? well, senator marco rubio sure doesn't, and he explains why this bailout might be worse than others. >> this bailout would be every year because these plans don't just need a one-year bailout. they'll need an ongoing bailout. >> i thought it was a three-year threshold. >> every year for those three years over a period of time it's going to be rolling. this ainthing's not going to go away. this one is actually over a period of years. look, this law cannot be saved. it will have to be repealed. and the question is how long will it take for democrats to realize that and cooperate in that endeavor? so far i think at the upper echelons of the democratic party, they're still being very stubborn about it. but my prediction is check back in eight weeks. >> that's a pretty strong

prediction from rubio. eight weeks and we may see a difference in the president's support. how about scrapping it? you can't mix it. like we talked about earlier in the show when we first talked about obama care that, you know, you can't replace bad -- good code on top of bad code and expect a different result. hence the sebelius crashes one after the next. >> not only that, what marco rubio is talking about, we kind of highlighted over the past few days, it's called risk corridors. we didn't even know it was in the law where obama care forces insurers to insure people who are high-risk individuals at the same rate they would people who are low risk. for that risk that they incur, they're going to bail them out on the backside, but we don't know how much it's going to be. the cbo has to score. when they scored obama care at $893 billion which is now $1.8 trillion, that was not included. this could be billions, tens of billions, more, we don't know. that's a price tag we don't know

what it's going to end up being. who knows? maybe more democrats are going to jump ship. >> the people that wrote this bill, democrats specifically, nobody saw any of this. >> you have to pass it in order to find out. >> but seriously, the people who drafted it in the committees, why they didn't stop and say, you know, this is potentially a long-term problem politically and talk to obama about it, i mean, i wonder how much you could put blame on them. >> can you point something out? have you read this bill? >> no. >> i've probably read 400 pages of it. it's 2,700 pages, i believe. it's legalese, every single page of that thing. there's probably 20 more or of these risk corridors in there. it's that confusing. >> that was part of our script. >> you know what it is? it's like an acid trip. people who took acid, they didn't know how it was going to turn out, that's what this is. >> a costly one, too.

>> rubio is right, you can't collapse a souffle. you have to start over. a simple tip. people that actually know the industry, don't hire a community organizer to do the president's job. and likewise, don't use people who practice on patience, who sit in the office and push paper. they don't know anything about this. you need people that deal with real patients that know what's going on in the medical world to make these decisions. the other issue is what's forgotten here is the economy. it's still there. and it's still bad. president obama promised us a robust economy, and he forgot the "ro" part. >> and the bust. >> they're virtually nonexistent. the question is, is there enough you could put into it to make it palatable for the elections? >> and is there enough in it that's so damaging that we can survive another administration to fix this? >> the damaging thing is yet -- we'll find out. if you're right about this, then i think it does -- it's going to

be terribly costly for the democrats. if it's wrong, then it won't be. >> i have a question. where's occupy wall street? this is a corporate bailout. corporate bailout are big insurance companies that apparently the democrats hate. where's the protests? >> well, we know they're not showering, that's for sure. but one man who does and knows a lot about this is bill o'reilly. we're talking about here a weakened president, touches a little bit on what greg was saying in reference to the economy. take a listen. >> when a president shows weakness, his administration comes under siege. all kinds of things emerge. there's more chaos on the horizon, and every american will feel it. we are a country that depends on a robust economy. we don't have one. president obama vowed to make national health insurance mandates work. so far, the new law is a disaster. again, when a president becomes weakened, people take advantage. both within the country and abroad. >> i can't believe we're stealing o'reilly's material.

>> is o'reilly reading your mind? >> i don't think that president obama minds that he's perceived as weak over this. he was always about shrinking the american ideal into some kind of european state, but he's bored with this. remember, the president was, in a sense, given to him. he didn't earn it. it's like he's tired of the sports car and he's already stripped its gears and he wants to move on to something else, maybe a bmw. >> lucky for us, the lease will be up soon and we might get something that might work. >> if you're looking practically, senator rubio says check back in eight weeks. well, what happens in about eight weeks is the budget negotiations, the government has to be funded again. remember we go through this in september with the shutdown and all that. they kick it had to january 15th. i would imagine that there's going to be some significant changes to obama care, and it will be in that bill because it will be the only one that senator harry reid will have to

move. >> can we just point out the -- >> irony? >> -- irony of that, that ted cruz tried to do that how many weeks ago? >> it was actually four weeks now for the budget issue. january is the debt ceiling, i think. in any event, you're right, that may be the only vehicle to do it on. the one thing i will say, i read to you -- a lot of presidents have had lower ratings than bmg. the difference is, they had single things going like the iraq war. one thing about health care is, it universally affects people, and that's really the problem here. >> i think the problem is there's been a number of missteps and failures in his administration which put him in a weakened position that allowed this slide to happen very easily. >> and just wait till january when people find out that the doctors they've liked, they've come to know, they've gone to for years and the plans they've selected. you're not going to be able to keep your doctor. >> the doctor you've worked your personal relationship with, you

can text them at all hours of the day and night, that's over. >> only bob has that. we'll see, bob. doomsday. directly ahead, there's a deadly new pastime for african-american teens nationwide, and you're probably not going to hear about it from the mainstream media. it's called the knockout game. it's not a game, it's a crime. details next on "the five." details next on "the five."

♪ so there's a disturbing trend where young thugs sneak up on pedestrians and hit them as hard as they can. it's like a lottery, except the winner gets a coma. though not organized, it's likely a gang initiation thing, which may be why it's unreported. it makes the mainstream media uncomfortable. unlike the zimmerman case where the victim and the villain fit the media's assumptions.

for the rest of us the knockout game reflects the careless brutality of modern crime. even as america becomes safer, the remaining criminals are colder in their carnage. the delight and decay is mirrored in pop culture. the essence of cool, after all, is detachment. the ability to exact horror without feeling a thing. that makes you a man. or at least the star in the harvey weinstein film. worse, you're entitled to feel resentment which drives victim status as you victimize others. so while i wouldn't say the knockout game is spreading like a violent take on the macarena, it's a by-product of modern ideological warfare that stokes the flames of resentment. violence becomes another entitlement. why shouldn't our moral decline have consequences? we mock proven values and laugh at traditions as we denigrate people with dull jobs. we abandon commitment in favor of desertion and turn cities in to immoral vacuums. children return to empty homes where from a glowing screen kim kardashian shows them what they

don't have. it's hell in a handbasket with a high-speed connection. >> oh, my gosh, you seem so innocent and vulnerable when you're sick. >> i know, i was having a hard time. what are we talking about? >> knockout game. >> knockout. hey, bob. what do you think of this? do you believe it's a trend? >> i think it's a trend. i think it's outrageous. i think these kids ought to be prosecuted to the extent of the law. i don't believe it's ideological at all. i want to get that in there. here's the thing that drives me crazy. if there was ever an opportunity for al sharpton and jesse jackson and others to speak out, it's on this. i mean, come on! this is the worst, most cowardly, disgraceful, disgusting form of barbarism i've ever seen. lock them up and make no exceptions. lock them up. >> can i throw something out here, too? it really -- i'm not going the ideological route. i'm not sure we know exactly who's doing it. it could be whites, it could be blacks. we're not really sure. it could be ng gas.

gangs. >> it's gangs. >> okay. but there is one little tweak to what's going on now. what they're doing now is they're targeting. they're targeting jews now. they knock out jew -- knock a jew out game. knock a woman out game. they should be prosecuted with hate crime status. >> exactly. >> absolutely. >> but where's the courage? where's the courage of the mainstream media to cover this, to call it what it is, to tell it like it is, to be responsible because there's innocent victims out there being targeted. prosecutors should be doing press conferences on this, so should the police department. heightening awareness, and they're not doing it. it is sad and it is unforgivable. >> what about prosecutors? it seems to me they're on the stick here, too. why don't they go out and the prosecute? >> they can't go out on the street to arrest them, but there should be an investigation. you have these videos. there's so much on social media that is a rich resource for cops and d.a.s to find out and use the public to identify these people. call on people to have courage and punish these people that are in your community hurting people, preying on innocents. this is terrible. it has to be put a stop to.

one big case with a tremendous amount of penalty and punishment, jail time and they'll stop this. >> dana, you tried to instigate a knockout punch but you kept keep hitting people in the hip. >> on the playground. >> if the races were reversed, would this be a bigger story? >> if the races were reversed, do you think the bbc reporter would have asked oprah about it? >> yes. yeah. >> i don't think. let me defend the media or just ask a question, raise a question here. in the mass murders that we've seen in the mass shootings at the schools, one of the things we've talked about is should the media even give them any attention because that's what they crave. is the media right maybe to not blow this out of proportion because it would give it more attention and then you'd see more of this type of crime? i actually am for the media covering that, but just throwing that out there. >> yeah, that's a good point. >> i think the more you see it, what you're creating is awareness. >> i can't even watch it. it makes me so upset. >> but some people may be seeing this for the very first time, not knowing it's going on.

>> you can be aware. >> i agree. that's my point. i agree with you. >> but also be aware if you see it or know someone who's done it, report them. >> you're worried about hate crimes. don't hate crimes carry much heavier penalties? >> they do, bob. >> then get them on hate crimes. >> crime is crime. >> i just want something that gets them the longest sentence possible. that's my point. >> all right. we've got to go. coming up, george w. bush resurfaces on "the tonight show" and apparently he doesn't mind retirement at all. >> president obama is kind of getting all the late-night jokes now. >> better him than me. >> there you go. >> funny. dana has the rest of the highlights next.

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♪ don't let 'em fade away the only thing that has woken greg up today is the country music. >> why do i have to sing like this? >> because it's popular. >> since president bush 43 left office he's chosen not to talk policy or politics, but jay leno tried his best last night to get him to bite when he brought up the president's recent health scare. >> when the president had that heart scare, how scary was that? >> it was scary. it was very scary. >> i wasn't that scared. >> was it you had obama care? >> so he didn't talk about obama care but he talked about how he dealt with some of the pressures of the office and how much he thinks about his legacy. >> first and foremost, i relied upon my faith. my family helped a lot, and i had a good team around me and did the best i could do. i'm also very comfortable with the fact that it's going to take a while for history to judge whether the decisions i made are consequential or not.

and therefore, i'm not too worried about it. i read some biographies of washington. they're still writing biographies of the first guy. the 43rd guy doesn't need to worry about it. >> kimberly, genuine, sincere and even when he could have taken some shots at the sitting president, he chose not to. what do you think of that? >> class act. i think he's number one -- maybe tied with his father for just really setting the tone and the standard of what a former president should do and how to behave and always being gracious. i think his behavior, you know, since he was president has been exemplary. he's been really kind, i think, to the president. >> democrats actually -- they do talk about this as the one thing they can say, at least they can all agree that president bush has been a gracious ex-president. >> one of the things about presidents is it always seems ex-presidents do much better in many ways than they do when they're in office when they're freed up from the pressures like that. i know a lot of you don't like jimmy carter, but jimmy carter as an ex-president did a lot of very good things with homeless

and disease eradication. george bush has been magnificent. george bush has kept up his work on aids in africa. and i think his tenor and demeanor was excellent. and frankly, he did avoid taking a shot at obama. if there was ever a time he could get away with it, now is it. >> you love dogs, eric bolling, president bush loves dogs and president putin doesn't love dogs. listen to this story. >> favorite barney story? >> well, there's a lot. i introduced barney to putin. >> okay. >> and he kind of dissed him. >> really? >> yeah, it was like you call that a dog? a year later -- >> you call that a dog? >> he didn't say it but his body language was he's not really a dog. of course he's a dog. and i love the guy. a year later putin introduces me to his dog. huge hound. >> yeah. >> bounding across the laup. he said bigger, stronger and faster than barney. >> wow.

you should have nuked him. >> how important is it, greg, for conservatives to start thinking about going on some of these shows where they can show their personality? how much do you think that helps in the future? >> i guess it does. let's face it, it's been six years so there's been a lot of space for people to miss the president. i will say this, the best thing that jimmy carter did after being president was not be president. that's why he was such a great ex-president. but i want to make a point, my mom always said don't be first or last on anything. and that's why he's right about don't worry, he was not the first president an he's not the last president and he didn't take a sixth of the economy and destroy it. >> that's true. >> go ahead. >> can i throw something in real quick? >> yeah, because i didn't get back to you. sorry. >> i'm listening to this interview this morning on fox various tv networks and thinking what's president obama going to do after he's president.

i don't want to make this about obama. >> he'll be very young. >> he'll be very young. will he run for office? will he be governor? >> president of the world. >> u.n. president? >> it strikes me as he's the kind of guy who loves being leader of something. >> secretary-general of the u.n., you watch. >> maybe president clinton -- perhaps president clinton has provided a model where you do a little bit of business and a lot of good around the world or something. >> king of epcot center. >> can i just make one thing in defense of my old president is that jimmy carter did help build a lot of homes for a lot of people and eradicated two diseases in africa that saved tons of thousands of lives. >> but people needed homes because of the economy he destroyed during his presidency. >> let's end this -- we're going to end this on a posite note, okay? so president bush decided to take up painting after he left. last night he gave jay leno this painting. a portrait of jay leno. it's interesting, jay leno was wearing the same outfit. it's incredible. i don't know if president bush did that in the green room. >> it looks like a photograph.

>> he's a really good painter. remember he painted jasper? >> yes. jasper, jasper, jasper, just for you, bob. >> you say that three times, satan appears. >> i could watch that interview every day. u. ahead on "the five," today president obama and members of the kennedy family visited the gravesite of jfk nearly 50 years after his assassination. we'll show you that and discuss it as well. we'll also talk about whether jfk wolf at home in today's democratic party. that's when we return. whether j today's democratic party. that's when we return.

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there was another time when another young candidate was running for president and challenging america to cross a new frontier. my friends, i ask you to join in this historic journey to have the courage to choose change. it's time again for a new generation of leadership. it is time now for barack obama. >> that was the late and great teddy kennedy recalling the promises of his brother's leadership and bestowing the same trust in then junior senator from illinois, barack obama. earlier that former senator turned president visited the gravesite of jfk. he laid a wreath at arlington in

memory of jfk two days before the 50th anniversary of his assassination. some people have asked whether ronald reagan would fit in today's republican party and the same question can be asked about president kennedy. would he fit in today's democratic party? dana, one of the reasons that's been raised is because kennedy cut taxes from 90% down to 65% and marginal tax rates were brought down, which is something the democrats are not necessarily known for doing today. it was a different time, a different economy, a different very optimistic country. >> right. so facts and circumstances basically determine a lot of this. yesterday we asked the question about in the gettysburg address when it comes to abraham lincoln, they asked a bunch of kids did they know whether he was republican or democrat. they didn't have any idea. i don't think anybody has any misunderstanding that jfk was a democrat because the democrats have basically put him up as their martyr and their hero for many years. he was only president for 1,000

days. not a lot of time to make a big impact. as president bush just said, if you're the 43rd president or if you're the 38th president, you don't know what your legacy is going to be like. obviously we're spending a lot of time talking about it this week because of the 50th anniversary. but in 50 years from now, i don't know what people will say about the legacy. >> you know, kimberly, jfk was not known as aggressive on civil rights. in fact, he was very careful about it because he was trying to get votes in the south for re-election had he lived that long. lyndon johnson was the one that put through the major civil rights legislation. do you think part of that is the reason that some people question whether kennedy would be acceptable in today's democratic party? >> one of the reasons why i think he perhaps wouldn't be acceptable in today's democratic party is because he transcended politics. i mean he was, yes, a consummate politician, but he was a man of class, a man of character. i think he's one of the greatest presidents that we ever had. and i think the current -- both parties in some respects could learn a lot from how he

conducted and handled himself. i feel the same way with reagan, but reagan was one of the greatest presidents for those same reasons. >> greg, the mainstream media that you keep saying gives obama a break certainly gave kennedy a break on a lot of personal things that he probably today would not get away with. do you think that he could have survived real scrutiny? >> well, clinton did, obviously, and now the other thing that would make a problem for kennedy, he was pro-life. that's almost unheard of on the left side. but this is a first, i think, for a tv show to actually make this quest to serve this question up. because the media never questions the leftward tilt of a democratic candidate because you can never be too liberal. "the new york times" editorial board or to salon or slate or msnbc. to them, obama's failure is that he wasn't liberal enough. if bill ayers ran for president, 75% of the media would vote for

him. >> i eric last for this reason. kennedy was in the middle of the cold war, he had come off of the fiasco of the bay of pigs. there were a lot of things about his foreign policy, whether he had had the leadership to do it. what do you think? >> i think you left out one of the most important reasons why he probably wouldn't be as welcome in the democratic party is was because he was for lower taxes. >> that's what he opened with. >> i didn't hear that part because i probably wasn't paying attention. i was listening to that bloviating guy. i couldn't stand him, kennedy's brother. i didn't know he was pro-life. >> catholic. >> all catholics aren't pro-life. >> he was a devoted catholic. >> he probably wouldn't be welcomed with open arms to the michael moores and the bill mahers. you touched on it, gettysburg yesterday, 150th anniversary of it.

president obama doesn't go, doesn't go to the anniversary of that and says he blames the website thing. he had a lot of website stuff going on. i mean, come on. come on. >> i think that was a real mistake. that was an opportunity he lost. one last thing is up next. >> would he have been the best president if it hadn't been for television? >> no, he would not have.

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time for "one more thing." robert g. beckelic canning us off. >> republican freshman congressman trey riddell from florida was arrested for cocaine charges and is now undergoing treatment -- outpatient treatment and will go to inpatient treatment.

he is, as i said, a freshman. but the florida democratic party decided to call on him -- called him an embarrassment to florida and that he should resign. let me just say something to all of you democrats who want to take advantage of this. this guy has a disease. it's a serious disease. give him a break. he said he hit bottom. he recognized the problem. he's now going to try to get himself well. what he doesn't need is a bunch of people from the outside who know nothing about this disease, making politics out of this. i'm always a partisan, you know that. but in this case this guy deserves a break. >> it is life real-life "house of cards," with that story line with the congressman from pennsylvania. >> you're up, k.g. >> all right. i have a thing here from "esquire" magazine, my ex-husband's dad you've heard me talk a lot about. my second husband, two out of two. >> two out of five. >> is that him? >> that's eric. check his designs out on valenci.com. it's called the "new rules of

winter style." >> where did the other three go to? >> so "esquire" is still being published. that's great. >> jealous, greg? >> i'm just ripping on him. one of our favorite websites, real clear politics, they have a new feature called morning commute where they pick somebody randomly, usually somebody from politics and they drive them around and they just talk with them during the commute. i had a chance to tell them one of my secrets from the white house, and here's a clip from it. check it out at realclearpolitics. >> what i've always loved about president bush is his ability to understand people and make sure people are at their best. he understood me better than i knew myself at the time because as i'm walking out, he says hey, by the way, i don't think you'd ever do this to me. and he nailed it. because that's what i was worried about was my relationship with him being affected by a book that was written by an insider. >> could you imagine driving and having somebody talk like that while you're driving just like that to giving you a story? >> and they're going to have

more clips. and there's a hilarious one that involves jasper. >> out the back? >> there's more to come. real clear politics, morning commute. >> taco thursday. >> oh, yeah, taco thursday is another secret. >> you're up, dude. all right. it's day two of "not cool." you know what bothers me? i went to amazon, and i saw that o'reilly and krauthammer are in the top ten. my book isn't out. let's get in there without even having a book out there. preorder it now, amazon. >> get out there and do it and if you don't we're going to kill you because we're going to advertise this every day for the next four months. >> and we should until he is number one and o'reilly is number two! >> i'm for that. >> i'm all for that, too. >> this show is vicious. >> very quickly, a couple charts we made. tommy and myself went through graphics today and put these together. pull up the first chart. this is how many people who have enrolled in obama care. those two in the middle represent 108,000 people who have enrolled so far.

let's see how many people who have been thrown off their health insurance. this is to scale, folks. that many people have been -- can you toggle back to the other one very quickly? toggle back. there's the enrollees. toggle to the front one again. go back to the front one. >> they're all white people. >> are you that one up there in jersey that doesn't get it? >> bolling, what have you done? terrible. >> it's racist. >> do me a favor, folk, before we go, go to your dvr, put "the five" in there, don't miss it every night. my special report on deck. it's november 21st. a big mistake and a big mess. a jumbo jet accidentally landing at the kansas airport. and now it's stuck there. breaking details on why. and her parents say that

bullying drove her to kill herself. now the two teenagers charged in connection with her death are off the hook. >> don't go out and decide to use the shield of the public trust as your pulpit. >> let me make one thing perfectly clear. criminal defense attorneys deny everything. >> both sides now engaged in a war of words over why the case was dropped. it's not a bird, and it's not a plane, and it is definitely not superman. where a fireball lit up the night sky, alarming everyone on the ground below. "fox & friends first" starts right now. ♪ i hope you ain't working on a rainy day ♪ ♪ count your blessings ♪ come say grace

downhill to the weekend. it is thursday. good morning to you and your family. you're watching "fox & friends first" on this beautiful morning. it's still dark out there. i'm ainsley earhardt. >> i'm childers. we begin this morning with a fox news alert for you. a massive plane is stuck at an airport. it is in wichita, kansas. a cargo plane a boeing 747 dream lifter mistakenly landed there last night. it was heading from new york to mcconnellair force base. it landed there instead. the massive plain needs over 900 feet of runway to take off. but tomorrow's runway just over 6,000 feet. boeing sending a tug to try to