it came and where did it land? as you can see -- >> watch out, steve! i have another one coming. >> steve, that was then. this is now! fire! u.s. companies are getting prepared for a big spike pass the cost to you and it does not stop there. hope you had a great weekend, welcome back as we begin. martha: i had a great weekend. good morning, everybody. this is a very big development because close to 200 million people get their health insurance like you probably do from your employer. but you could soon suffer a big

sticker shock and all of this. meanwhile one of the top hospitals in america, the cleveland clinic held up at the great success story by president obama is now seeing the cold, hard truth to this thing. laying off workers, slashing their budget to pay for the bills that have been run-up. bill: stuart varney pleading that coverage. first to you, the matter of the cost to the employees. stuart: obamacare forces all of us to get insurance. next year we will have to enroll in an insurance plan, that means far more people will be enrolling in the employment health plan offered by their employer. millions more people will be insured. their employer has to pay for that. that is a big increase in their cost structure. they will raise premiums and raise deductibles to pay for all those people flooding into their

systems. that means you, millions of people, will be paying more because of obamacare. bill: just to be clear on this the vast majority of americans will see higher premiums? stuart: yes. bill: and they will see bigger deductibles? stuart: the vast majority of americans who get their health insurance through their employer will see higher premiums but the deductibles are huge, that is an immediate out-of-pocket expense when you go to the doctor, the hospital, the pharmacy, when you pay for medical treatment and you have a big deductible, that is out of your pocket immediately and those deductibles are going up. bill: how will that case with your turkey this week? president obama talking with one of the premier medical facilities not just in the country, but in the world. the cleveland clinic. here's what he said then. president obama: i am going to be visiting your town tomorrow,

north cleveland clinic, to show why their system works so well. and part of the reason it works well is because they've set up a system where patient care is the number one concern, not bureaucracy, what forms have to be filled out, what do we get reimbursed for. those are changes i think the american people want to see. bill: a change from the cleveland clinic is to shed money and shed workers, what is up with that? stuart: cleveland clinic, as you say one of the top hospitals in the world, they did the first world face transplant. they will be cutting cost dramatically, they're going to cut $100 million worth of cost directly because of obamacare. they get less money per patient on certain kinds of treatments because of obamacare. they've got to cut costs, laying off people, cutting the cost of their payments to their delivery people. it is hitting the cleveland

clinic of all places. bill: thank you. let's hope the services are there on the east side of cleveland. thank you. off we go. martha: so meanwhile the white house is doing its best to move far away from the topic of this health care debacle. and they are focusing on a big nuclear deal that was cut over the weekend with iran and depending on who you talk to this morning it is either a historic deal of the century or it is a disaster. listen. >> if you say the reaction in iran right now, they are spiking the end football in the end zone. we're going to have the right to risk. we want to make sure going to the end zone here. martha: country most threatened by a nuclear iran would be israel, they have come out very strongly against this deal. here is the prime minister

benjamin netanyahu. >> was concluded last night in geneva is not a historic agreement. it is a historic mistake. it has not made the world a safer place. like the agreement with north korea in 2005, this agreement has made the world a much more dangerous place. martha: the relationship between the white house in israel clearly complicated by this deal and now there are new questions if all of this might somewhat be an attempt to change the subject from something that has been very difficult. bob schieffer on that. >> this might be a diversionary tactic by the ad which is desperately looking for good news. would you put it in that category yet? >> i would never judge upon that with international. another need some kind of other news but that would be the biggest mistake any

administration could do to try and make a decision for a political basis when you are doing with american lives around the world. i would hope that would not be the case. martha: i'm joined now by chief political correspondent for the "washington examiner" and a fox news contributor. is that a fair question schieffer asked? >> certainly this iran deal is distracting from obamacare. wwe're talking about it right now. it seems to be in a real hurry to get this done. he flew over to geneva over the weekend, pulled an all nighter to do this deal and there is no doubt the president facing trouble domestically like to turn to form policy because they have more unilateral authority. saying all of that, it is still true the administration has wanted and iran deal for long time, they have wanted and iran deal before we knew obamacare would be the rolling disaster that it is, so in that sense i really would not say out right

it a distraction. >> it feels last week we saw the meeting of some journal is at the white house, there clearly has been some sort of a three-pronged effort or maybe more than that to say this story has gotten away from us, it is running our agenda instead of us trying to run the agenda here. clearly there is an organization to get the topic off of obamacare, would you say that is fair? >> absolutely. we have a new poll out today which shows people were asking the president managed the government effectively. 40% of the people said yes. huge majority of the people said it is not able to manage it effectively. if you turn a 40% president which core supporters liking him and everybody else can't do the job, that is a terrible situation to be in.

controlling foreign policy, spoke to the nation making him look very presidential. martha: there is an effort underway to fix the second term. we will talk about this coming up in the next hour, but i want to ask you the same question. is it possible? he has a long way to go, he essentially still toward the beginning of his second term, so this is something they can turn around if they play their cards right. >> second terms can seem very long. we know the president wanted a big accomplishment in the first year of his second term, some sort of gun control deal, grand bargain in the fiscal area, he hasn't gotten any of those things. so it turns out so far the president's second term has been about protecting and enacting the big accomplishment of his first term, which was obamacare. that doesn't look like it is going to change anytime soon.

he talked about the changes, that would be absolutely huge and affect many more millions of americans than those being affected right now by the cancellations of individuals. martha: that will make it really tough because this issue is not katrina, not iraq, it affects every single american sooner or later in one way or another. thank you, have a good week. bill: there is no end to the critics saying they got too much and gave up virtually nothing. we will lay out the specifics. the good, the bad and the ugly. and we will talk to real peters. assess the more he looks at the deal, the worse it gets for him and others. he is coming up in a moment. mike rogers, republican from michigan, the sanctions were to tight just starting to affect the elite and that is the people you have to get to in order to affect change in that country and now you are taking the foot off the gas so we will ask coming up.

martha: a lot of questions if it allows them to keep going in while the process continues. we will talk to kt mcfarland about that as well. everybody is thinking about the end of the week a little bit, thanksgiving is coming. we have this extreme weather alert for you, so you may want to listen to this. there is a major storm system causing big problems as millions of americans are getting ready to head out to grandma and grandpa's house and wherever you are headed for thanksgiving. the storm being blamed for eight deaths already in the western part of the country. a live look at dallas-fort worth international airport where more than 300 flights have already been shut down. now the system is starting its move across to the east, and it is burning snow and sleet and ice to bring a huge mess one of the biggest travel days of the year. all the details from our extreme weather center. bill: states like oklahoma seeing a foot of snow already. seeing scary scenes like this

one. >> i have to let you go. bill: all too common. more after a worst possible time. martha: a growing number of democrats are now planning to figure out what they are going to do next if this obamacare does not get any better. why the president could take even more fire now coming from his own party. bill: sarah palin firing back on the controversial comments, why she says sorry will just not cut it. >> they want to call and apologize to me in private, i would like them to go through todd first or one of my children first, leave a message with them and hear what they have to say about it and then they can come to me.

martha: an amtrak train carrying 200 people jumped the track

hurting for people. it happened in south carolina. seven of the nine passenger cars jumped the track. fortunately none of the cars tipped over and only minor injuries reported. an investigation underway to find out what happened. bill: the iran nuclear deal, the good, the bad and the ugly. first the good, that steel temporarily freezes tehran's nuclear program as a man vows not to run the plan for six months. the bad. enrichment of uranium not closed, could lead iran closer to a bomb. iran's plutonium reactor will not be active for a year. so it could be meaningless. to the experts now. ralph peters, fox news strategic military analyst. good morning to you. i want to get your reaction on the good, the bad. the ugly in a moment. >> this is a really bad deal.

we get nothing from iran, nothing. "the new york times" headline yesterday holds iran's nuclear program. it did not hold anything. it is basically allowing iran to consolidate gains it has already made, catch its breath and prepare for the next leap forward. the most preposterous thing about it all is it is not a legal contract or even a serious deal because we allow iran to interpret their way and we interpret our way for hometown consumption and the one thing that is absolutely indispensab indispensable, intrusive, i notice inspections don't happen. we guess to put a couple of cameras around a couple of sites, don't get to revisit the sites themselves, we can check the film in the cameras. if anybody can tell me what iran really gave up here in exchange for us losing the sanctions allowing them to prepare to move

forward with a nuclear program, i am willing to listen. >> i have the impression over the weekend these inspectors will have free reign 24 hours per day, seven days per week. now the ugly. the delegitimize his the nuclear threshold so iran goes nuclear at some point and the rest of the middle east follows. >> i don't think any serious person who pays attention to this situation has believed obama is going to defend israel against iranian nuclear weapons. a tragedy here is that both obama and secretary kerry desperately wants to go down in history as great men. they don't realize to achieve greatness you cannot do it at any cost. tiny men in great big suits like back in the talking heads days. they are betraying our allies in pursuit of the headline to get

obamacare off the front page for a day or two but also to establish a legacy. it'lit will be the betrayal of israel and other supposedly allies in the middle east. >> house intelligence chairman mike rogers, republican from michigan characterize what he sees happening now. >> we have just rewarded very bad and dangerous behavior so think about what this agreement does. you can continue to enrich, they have made no changes in the development of the nuclear weapons program and i can tell you that with a high degree of certainty. bill: he also said sanctions were so good and so effective starting to reach the elite in iran. now with this deal, getting to a base where they were able to bite. >> that is a travesty of this,

the sanctions were finally working, that is why iran wanted to talk to us and for nothing from iran. >>bill: the only reason they cae to the table is because they are hurting big-time. now they get some relief. >> now we are going to lose the sanctions and europeans will not tighten back up again because the europeans just wanted an excuse to walk away. bill: you think it will get taken off a little bit, it will not get put back on? >> they have already loosened it up. a lot of trading nations will see this as a reason to cheat. they are not serious. you just cannot tighten them back up, it is a fact of life. we have given the iranians a new lease on life. i come back to israel because it

is our only true ally, outpost of our civilization, but the obama administration in regard to israel as a strategic liability regards it as political alcatraz and political nuisance and i am sorry, betraying israel is not in the best interest of our united states. bill: thank you, sir ralph peters out of washington. at home, what do you think of this iran deal? we will get to a few of your thoughts on twitter later in the program. a lot of reaction as you would imagine. martha: coming up, heroism at an nfl game, not talking about the football field. a u.s. marine saved a woman's life. bill: a deadly storm heading east, already a killer in parts threatening to make a mess of one of the busiest travel days of the year. >> it is slick, lots of snow on

top of ice being tacked on. >> they are pretty icy. even though sometimes it doesn't help, baby.

fans at that game amazed. >> see people in tears, see faces, you knew something was just off. >> yelled at her don't do it, please don't do it 10 times. she crawled up to the edge and

jumped. >> one of the fans very heroically tried to catch her. he got injured in the process. bill: that woman is listed in critical condition now, the marine is in stable condition. martha: lets get you back to the weather coming in over thanksgiving week. the major system coming apostle of the worst time of the year. the winter like conditions blamed for at least eight deaths in the western part of the country already and causing major problems at the airport in dallas 300 flights have been canceled, this comes as perhaps the biggest travel day of the year is upon us. check out what happened here in oklahoma where ice rink having on highways. fortunately nobody was injured there. maria molina gives us what is ahead from the weather center.

maria: hi, martha. good to see you. it is in place across texas, oklahoma and into arkansas producing mostly rain early this morning. that is shaded in generally green. that is freezing rain coming down right now across western parts of arkansas so please be careful on the roadways, still a chance we could see that as well across parts of texas, a number of winter weather advisories in effect and some icing across western parts of arkansas and northeastern texas. and then the storm had ceased expected to be across the southeast with moisture in place already in the northeast so we could see this start as a little bit of snow because temperatures are so cold in the northeast. once it heads up the coast toward the northeast into wednesday, most of the transition over toward rain along the i-95 corridor with

heavy rain, lots of wind and likely cause many travel delays if not cancellations out here, some winter weather watch is in effect because more than 6 inches of snow are forecast western pennsylvania, parts of new york and factor in the wind so it is dangerous on the roadways. thanksgiving day a system moves out and we're much quieter across the northeast. temperatures will be called in the 30s across the northeast and the great lakes. right now it is chilly out there, 25, single digits in parts of new england. so bundle up. martha: we have had such a gorgeous fall, it has been gorgeous. bill: how about the wind howling. martha: you feel your whole car going back and forth.

bill: maybe the system will move quicker than we expect. martha: that would be good. bill: another storm bearing down the white house. and aggressive new attack by his own party. why would that be? martha: the charges dropped by the case of the girl bullied to death could still be played out in court. a new lawsuit in this case. it will be filed today. >> i think everybody was aware there was a problem that nobody knew what to do to stop the problem. it wasn't just one child. >> each of these food boxes represent for those who are in desperate need. pp ÷ó

bill: fox business alert now. the nuclear deal cut with the united states. there were hundreds of cheering, greeting iran's negotiators when they came home from geneva, switzerland. allowing iran relief from sanctions, about 100 billion has been in place. amy kellogg arrived in london with reaction now. tell us about the response you are seeing. amy: for many moderate iranians this is as much about their place in worl in the world and n the world as it is about economic relief. there is a very large segment of society in iran that frankly has felt humiliated and ashamed to be a country living under sanctions, and i know that

because i have been to iran many times. according to an iranian journalist, the mood continues today to be jubilant and people stayed up all night to wait for the results of the meeting with social media lit up at 6:00 in the morning. this is the first step which may still hit a wall, but it rings iran in some isolation and as we are seeing cheer heartedly as the educated foreign minister returned last night, it was pretty fair to say the other four ministers involved in this deal probably did not get much of a hero's welcome home. we have talked about this a lot saudi arabia has been very suspicious of a deal. they seem to be softening their tone with many of them offer and cautious words of wealth to the steel. i did speak, bill, pray comment saudi analyst who reflects the views of the regime and he said frankly he things this could be

a step in the right direction and said what is important is this foreign minister of iran wrote an editorial in a big saudi newspaper last week talking about how iran really wants to push with the neighbors in the region. the sense is iran is starting to send the right signals out to the welfare of neighbors who are suspicious of iran on very many levels, not the least of which for its support of hezbollah and in iraq and in accent afghanistan. softening from that part of the world. bill: amy, thank you. clearly signs of what they feel a victory in tehran. amy kellogg in london, thank you. martha: work this morning a growing number of democrats are planning to start attacking back to the administration if the obamacare what that is not fixed as promised by the end of this

month. both are fox news contributors. good morning to you both, good to have you here. you look at the recent comment by nancy pelosi who continues to say we are very proud of this piece of legislation. saying running on this is going to be an advantage for democrats. you have some democrats scratching their heads, not so sure this is going to work so well for me at home right now. >> that is an alternate universe, i think. nancy pelosi is in a safe seat. if you talk to democrats who are not in as safe of seats, they have a different perspective. mary landrieu, the senator from alaska both pushing for legislation to make it so people can keep the plan they were promised. not bringing them up for a vote,

but these are both prominent democrats who are very concerned. martha: let's take a look at some of the polls that came out last week underscore and why the democrats could be concerned. in october among democrats at 74%, as the rollout just began. now it is at 58%, huge slide. what may be very worrisom wary o some purple states democrats are the independence numbers gone from 38% to 27% approval rating. the big side has been is this an opportunity for the g.o.p. to take back the senate? >> absolutely. if you think about a month ago democrats after the shutdown were giddy at the process they could take back the house. thought of a controlled senate in 2014 almost unattainable, notice the complete opposite which is why you hear what they

pointed out, by the way on the frontlines, already taking negative ads about obamacare on their airways. reality has been obama to maintain a tense amount neutralized as an effective issue for republicans outside of the jurisdiction. now you are seeing almost 20% drop particularly among young people. 21% intensity of opposition against obamacare for those between 18-25, key demographic for the president politically and people in order to buy into this policy to make it work and they are responding to it because the president is not the one on the ballot, it will be these democrats in the red leaning states. martha: we have heard saying this over the course of the past couple of weeks, we're going to grind this out.

we believe in this bill, we believe in the end it will be good for people but also good for us politically, right? >> it may be good for people, but the political aspect is a short-term issue. unless they can get the website working, and i think that is the next thing we have 2c, of the website is not up and running and functioning in the next week, then you're going to see more democrats feeling they have to protect themselves and they have to come out and call for a delay because he cannot be forcing people to sign up for something with the individual mandate if they cannot get on the website. martha: 110 keep on coming back to hi is the incredible reach of it. it affects so many people, the latest wave the "wall street journal" reports this morning is employers have a tough economy to deal with, rising costs, they will keep pushing these costs in the form of higher premiums and higher deductibles to the employers.

it is econ 101. >> the way obamacare is laid out, if you're an employer under 50 employees, you can force them off the exchanges that will not provide plans for they can keep their current plan or dr. which will be the next big false promise of obamacare. if you look this morning, this is really why obamacare has become such a ticking time bomb for democrats. 53% not think the president is trustworthy or on us. that is credibility. 40% things he manages government well. that is competence. obamacare is come to represent across-the-board feelings of this president and the democrats no longer wants to be the collateral damage for that and they will take out their own positions especially with a lack of a real plan b with the plans of deadlines still work.

martha: they think if they stay the course, it will be okay. thank you. we will see you later. bill: five days from november 30 now. an airplane goes berserk. take a look. that was just the beginning. that was just the start of the rent. details on how that scare played out at 35,000 feet. martha: woul we talked about tha lot last week. now sarah palin speaking out about the hateful comments thrown at her by msnbc and why she says the lack of action she believed is a double standard. >> there has been no punishment of estella who said those words, that is hypocrisy, that is a given when a conservative woman says something may take offense, they usually just laugh it off,

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martha:) a boring airplane and started screaming about a bomb, that will do it. another passenger took the cell phone video of course. >> there is a bomb on this [bleep] plane. martha: poor guy. witnesses say the trouble started after takeoff at fort lauderdale. the man started arguing with passengers and a flight attendant. when the flight landed, police tried to remove him from the plane. he was taken to a mental hospital and could apparently still face charges. there was no bomb found on board. bill: the guy in the red baseball cap doesn't move, what else have you got? , on. next. sarah palin responding for the

first time now to the nasty comments made by msnbc. they called her an idiot among other things, a vile form of punishment. he apologized, but she accuses the liberal media for condoning these remarks. here she is on "fox news sunday." speaker that is the executive hypocrisy so prevalent in the media elite bubble where it depends on the target of the vile rant, it does not depend on what the rent itself actually is. conservative women are a target of them. bill: lets analyze that. how are you, good morning. >> good morning, bill. bill: it was an interesting interview. she hits on four different things. executive hypocrisy, the elite media bubble, depends on the target, and conservative women.

what did you think of her comments? speaker you can't argue with sarah palin saying there is some sort of double standard going on at msnbc because all you have to do is look at the comments about the altercation with a photographer for the antigay slur, msnbc bounced him for a couple of weeks, not clear if he is coming back. he did a lot more than call the former governor of alaska and idiot, comments involving defecation, it was filthy, disgusting and yet he has apologized but no action taken. bill: he is still on the air, he did not lose a day, did he? baldwin will not come back. >> there is no great hunger to put him back on the air. bill: nail this down now, with that point sarah palin makes, she is right about it depends on who the target is. and this tag it was her.

>> here is another example. went on the air accusing the clintons of pimping out chelsea. he got suspended right away. it is hard to avoid the conclusion msnbc has not done anything of this notion because palin is probably not liked by people who watch msnbc, she is fair game for criticism, but for this he gets a pass. i have not seen, bill, a lot of uproar about this the way they would have been if a conservative had said similar things about oh, i don't know, hillary clinton. bill: another clip in a moment, but first i don't think anything will happen to martin bashir. he made an apology, but if you thought action was going to be taken, it would have happened by now, would it not? >> it definitely would have. i give him credit for apologizing but this was not an off-the-cuff remark for any of

us to do a lot of live television can say something we instantly forget. but it was scripted, there were graphics, people responsible for this outrage in my view at msnbc than just the anchor who did not miss a day of work. bill: somebody has to load the script into the teleprompter. there is palin. >> at the apology next time they want to say such a thing and get the attention they were seeking after they said it, and then they want to call and apologize to me in private. i would like them to go through say todd first or one of my children first, leave a message with them, hear what they have to say about it and then they can come to me. bill: what is interesting about that comment is you make a comment, you put it out there in the public, you get the audience you attract and everybody you attract that audience. you are making the apology not in this case, but in a lot of

cases you're making the apology in private after you have already used this individual for your own personal gain in public. next time you do that, come back and talk to my husband or my kids first and then come to me. >> right. a lot of the apologies are for public consumption. if you really felt bad, you would find a way to call them, send them an e-mail, there is a cable news culture unfortunately on both sides which rewards personal attack and plays to the base and msnbc unfortunately has had a lot of examples with hosts, contributors using really terrible language. it is time now that we called people out on it. bill: you get the advantage of the shock value. it helps your program. but a person goes in private, it

is left to so much more. >> tell them they are sorry. bill: thank you again. martha: these parents believe their daughter was bullied to death. a new lawsuit is now being filed by the family wh. live details coming up on that next. >> at first i stated her friend because i did not want her to be alone and that is when we stopped being friends because i got pressured into not being her friend when all the other girls didn't want to be her friend reedit when i first got shingles it started on my back.

and i had like this four inch band of bumps that came around to the front of my body. and the pain from it was- it was excruciating. i did not want anyone to brush into me to cause me more pain than i was already enduring. i wanted to just crawl up in a ball and just, just wait till it passed. speed to the family of a florida girl who committed suicide after

being the lead for a year now plans to sue the parents of the girls involved. a live look at orlando we expect the will speak about a new lawsuit that is going to be issued. the 12-year-old jumps to her death from a water tower back in september. last week stalking charges against the two girls who had been charged in this case with felony stalking, those charges were dropped but during an interview here on "america's newsroom" on friday i asked katelyn's mom whether she was aware of this bullying. >> i don't think it was to the extent of what people are saying it was. i think this is blown up to way more than what it was supposed to have been and that she moved to another school because she wasn't involved in the click. that is what happens in middle school, there are so many clicks with children and you all want to belong to be part of that

clique. if you're not, you're an isolated child. martha: steve harrigan with the details on this lawsuit. what can we expect from rebecca's mom here, steve? steve: in a few moments time we will see the mother of the 12-year-old bullied to death before the cameras. it is likely she will announce a series of lawsuits first and foremost against the families of the two girls who were accused of bullying her 12-year-old daughter to death, only one of whom so far has expressed limited remorse. >> i did go to her house and told her i was sorry for her loss but i did not apologize because i don't think i bullied her. steve: in addition to lawsuits, we are likely see possible lawsuits against the cement factory with a 12-year-old jumped to her death and against the middle school where she was bullied for more than a year, martha.

martha: the mother said she tried to get help from the school. the sheriff has been one of the big characters in this story, so to speak, steve. is he facing charges as well? steve: certainly he has been very aggressive, accused of going over the line making this case public by the attorney for one of the few accuse girls, but the sheriff just said he has no regrets about how he has acted. >> our goal all along was to make sure these children received counseling, they were not charged with the murder of rebecca, they were charged with stalking her. steve: in addition to counseling, the mother of one of the accuse girls has been jailed for child abuse. martha: thank you so much. bill: so the president turning his attention on iran and immigration later today. is he trying to save a second term? brit hume weighs in on that in

moments. martha: the obama administration turn its back on the american pastor jailed in iran? his name was never even mentioned in the nuclear negotiations. coming up with that on "america's newsroom."

>> fukushimas hospita hospital feeling the fallout from obamacare. the cleveland clinic is laying off staff and cutting $100 million from their budge. the hospital is slashing $330 million and half is a direct result of the affordable care act. and meanwhile, companies are preparing to past more of their health care cost on to employees. so people could see a big spike

in premiums and deductibles as well. and meanwhile more bad news on obamacare. president obama pushing for immigration reform after the iran deal. glad to have you with us this morning. >> good morning. the problems keep getting deeper for obamacare and the headlines worse by the day. >> is the president trying to move to other topics in an attempt to change the subject a bit and perhaps salvage his second term? brett is here with us this morning. that questioned happened a lot. do you think this an attempt to change the subject? >> that is part of it. but iran, immigration, that the

president was going to address any whatever his standing and conditions of his insurance reform plan. so it isn't surprising he would try to do that particularly on immigration which had a head of steam behind it and it looked as if after the results of the 2012 elections the republicans are eager to pass something to get in better grace of the hispanic community. some of the air is out of the tire and the president is trying to get it rolling again. but it takes sense to do that. >> there is no doubt that there was a come to jesus moment. they had no much incoming at them. they brought in juournalist to change the message. can the president get

legislation at this point? you hinted maybe not. >> it doesn't have the momentum it once have. but john boehner was saying the issue isn't dead. although a lot of people said it was. it is worth keeping in mind that the president's first instinct when he is in trouble is to rally his base. this is an issue that appeals to big segments of his base. his party is behind this strongly so to the extend that he can focus on it. it gives his supports something to cheer for him about and a little political support he needs. >> i mean, look at these stories. the cleveland clinic laying off lots of people trying to cut cost as so many are. and then the wall street journal about companies passing the

cost. and that trend began before this happened. but this doesn't help. unlike other issues, the iraq war or katrina, this touches so many people's lives across the country and you don't know if the president will dodge it. >> you don't. and if you look at everything from today, the forecast is more heavy weather on obamacare and it will persist throughout the coming here. and it will be a burden, a huge burden on the back's of the democratic party which supported the law and fought off all attempts in the aftermath to change or delay it. this is a real set of head winds. it is understandable the president would like to talk about something else.

and the other thing is what the administration hopes is that once the website is up and running and people who are interested in it and forced to take a look at it begin to fi d fiefiep fiepd -- begin to find -- policies that work. the more we hear about the website issues, it looks like it will take a while and the website might never be recognize. >> and november 30th, a few days away and not a lot of discussion about how the deadline is looking. >> interesting they are downplaying that, isn't it? >> lowering the expectations. >> the president on record saying what do you think at home

is the president trying to distract the country from obamacare? you can weigh in on that with your tweets. >> when you look back at the beginning of this highlight care issue and the town hall and anger we saw, i bet you will not see a lot of congressmen and congre congre congresswoman going home and saying let's have town hall. >> carl cameron is coming up on that topic:. lawmakers are focused on the rollout and health care law sparking a big debate on sunday's show. >> i don't believe you can fix the law to lower the cost and increase access. we have to scrap and start anew and get a bipartisanship c concensus.

>> i don't think obamacare has farrelled -- failed -- i think the access has failed. >> we are finding out details once it is tested. the administration promised in five days, this saturday, the white house reluctant to define an exact number for what is a success or failure. >> and when remember john boehner got on and tried to sign on himself. he found out his premiums will double. he pays $433 with a $700 deductible. and now $800 in the premium and

$,000 -- for the deductible. >> that deductible is 2.5 percent higher. >> and they are supposed to save $2500 each on this obamacare policy to begin with. >> in the meantime, we are seen multiple hearings on the disaster of the rollout. the house oversight is holding a field hearing to allow everyday american voices to be heard. carl cameron has his here to the ground and he is live. what are the lawmakers hearing? >> it is thanksgiving week. and the rollout has caused huge problems across the country. they are holding hearing to get the stories from the folks. the committee was in north

carolina last friday. there were pro-obamacare people marching. today's hearing is in georgia. it is clear the pressure has gun to get to some congressional democrats. more and more are worried about the disaster and warned leaders that the if the problems and cancelations continue and are not sorted out they may go public and say they want to see further postponement of the s n sign-update. and a number of lawmakers have gone out in order to do this. democratic congressional candidates are getting worried and these type of republican-led hearings are giving them fits and they are letting them know

they will have to go public with c complaints. >> carl cameron in washington >> it is the word that the white house doesn't want you to hear in the context of obamacare. what is that word? we will tell you. >> and there is a lot of fallout from this deal. why our next cut says the iran deal with lead to a nuclear arms race in the middle east. >> we could be learning about the worst school shootings in america history. we are waiting for the new report on what happened at sandy hook that day. >> caller indicating there is someone shooting in the building. >> the individual i have on the phone is continuing to here gunfire.

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the u.s. nuclear deal with iran could spark fire in the middle east. casey writes this, it would seem that the years ahead iran be a factor nuclear state. the united states should plan accordingly now. she is here with us now. kt, you think that this sets off a competition for nuclear power in the middle east. >> it doesn't matter what washington thing. it matters what the people in the middle east think. how tare they going to react? is this iran getting up their nuclear weapons? or iran almost getting to the

point of nuclear weapons and stopping. even obama's former proliferation expert says saudi arabia has weapons already. so if he seize -- sees the unstable part of the world having these weapons -- the likelihood of an accident goes up. >> that whole goal has been to p prevent iran from having it because you want to prevent this race. you have people cheering in the streets of. israel and saudi arabia isn't happy. >> this is a historic agreement between the united states and

iran. i worked for nixon when he went to china. it was historic morning. when munich, however, they said i have a deal that will stop the nazi's and it didn't. a lot of this depends on the reactions of other countries in the region >> you say one of the problems is you have both things happening at once. you are allowing them to continue and you know and prove to us this is a nuclear power weapons and effort and pulling the strings on the sanctions and that lows them to keep going. >> you have a pop corn pop, kernels, and a ball of popcorn. the iranians will give up the

bowl. they have kernels and pop corn. we have given them the spending the money. the worry is that iran cheats and the second worry is this agreement is as good as it gets and they will stop just shy of having the weapons and that may not be enough for the other counties. and the president saying they will reimpose the sanctions. you don't get that chance. there are companies ready to do business with iran. we did a lot of arm twisting to get sanctions. once they are lifted a little bit you will never get alabama th -- never get them back -- >> there is evidence they were working >> i always say regan used

economic power to win the cold war. we are not about the start another war in the middle east we cannot win. but he gabe up the economic leverage. regan noticed if you can drive the price of oil down, that is leverage. the soviet union couldn't keep up. if we can drive the price of oil down they are onrope. >> some day someone will take that message all the way to the bank. >> what about that american pastor jailed in iran? was his name mentioned why iran was getting billions wiped away >> and the new england patriots

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>> does she do any other songs? >> that was miley cyrus causing a stir.

becking out the song in front of a kitten. fans slammed the performance as weird. but miley tweeted several pictures. no one is talking about anything else. she said let's put a huge dumb cat behind me and you mark my words everyone will talk about the big cat. >> she was talking about us after the show. just remind me of the old commercial from kibble and bits. >> we are dog people. not cat people. >> we are. but kittens are different than cats. maybeing >> folks who smoke will pay 50 percent higher in a premium than a non-smoker predicating they will not sign up for obamacare

and what then? william, what then? >> that is why some who support obamacare oppose the penalty. they need to recover the cost, but if if is too costly smoes smokers will not sign up. obamacare has smokers feeling burned >> alcoholics and people who are te te termin ppalally ill. they can charge 50 percent more. >> they are playing the maximum surcharge where someone should be paying a significant amount. >> reporter: a 64-year-old smoker will pay more. >> tobacco surcharges are not

proven to help them quit. >> reporter: the premium for a young non-smoker earning minimum wage is $700 but a smoker pays 400 percent more. an older couple would pay $1,000, but if both smoke it jumps to $11,000. half their annual in cocome. >> studies show it will price them out of the market. i thought obamacare was to stop all that. >> the surcharge varies by company and state. so smokers will have to shop around. >> so there is one word that the

white house doesn't like to hear in the context of obamacare and we will tell you what the word is that they are trying to keep out of the conversation after this. >> and a look inside the september 11th memorial museum. >> you see how we created the light and reflection? the building is as if it is balancing on that one tiny little spot. >> what does that represent? >> the frailty of those things we take for granted.

>> we are back with this fox news alert as we relate the release of the long awaited record on the scoot shooting at sandy hook -- school -- this comes nearly a year later after 20 gun children and 6 school children were gunned down. it could provide history of the gunman and the police response. it will not include the full evidence file which is believed to total thousands of pages >> very difficult day yet again for the families there. call it anything you like just not redistribution. the white house banned this word. the r-word from being used to describe the signature

legislation despite the growing number of americans who say that is that is what it is. how are you guys doing? >> good morning. >> mike, the dreaded r-word. >> but it is absolutely is redistribution. the worst part is it isn't high income to low income. it is young people to old people. this is why clinton said the only way this works is it young people showed up. >> healthy to the unhealthy and middle class to the poor. >> men to woman. >> you have that, too.

leslie, did you disagree with this characterization? >> yes, i do. thank you for calling me a liar. absolutely not. redistribution, ever is when you are redistributing the health. there are people that are poor or middle class or wealthy whose premiums have oregon -- gone up -- i call it opportunities. the people who were not insured and pre-existing conditions. the people that were turned away by insurance companies or didn't have proper coverage. >> you consider it opportunity. interesting. >> and all inclusive. >> it has been hidden away to

make the affordable care act more palatable to the public and less of a target for the republicans. >> there is no such thing as a free lunch. the question is will the younger voters realize that now their premiums sky rocket. there is a difference between price and cost. the left loves to throw money that things to reduce the price. but they don't do anything to reduce the cost. only the free market reduces the cost of things. that is why people in poverty in america have refrigerates and telephones. obamacare does nothing to lower the cost. it takes money from other people. >> leslie is shaking her head. go ahead, leslie, before we go to 2008. >> mike, thank you for proving the point: the insurance

companies have the ability to lower the rates. and they still do have time. the affordable care act isn't responsible for the rates. and republican attacks will happen whether it is called distribution or a gift from assista santa. >> democrats are ticked off about the rollout two. october 2008. >> if you have a plumbing business you are better off if you have customers that can afford to hire you. and business is bad for everybody right now. when you share the health around it is good for everybody. >> there is that dreaded r-word. >> back in '98 there is a video of obamacare making the same

claims. the ends don't justify the means. martin lurth king said you cannot achieve from taking from people. the left solution is to take from others and help others. and that is lazy. >> leslie, last word. go. >> i think mlk would be rolling in his grave. if a child has cancer and can't get insurance, that is not immoral. the president did say that in the past and absolutely red redistribution is something dem democrats believe in. but this isn't what that is about. this is about everyone having the opportunity. >> thanks to both of you. enjoy your day. >> you too, thank you. >> what are you thinking at

home? earlier we asked if the president was trying to distract the country from obamacare? >> one viewer says any distraction is welcomed. >> one says predictable. >> and finally, yes the obama d administration is trying to change the topics >> we have the lines open and are asking parliament what -- asking what people think about the pastor in iran >> when news broke about going nuclear, critics say they are

trying to stack the courts. how critical is this power play by senate democrats? >> it is very important because the president nominated three people to take seats on the d.c. court of appeals and that is the second most important court in the land because it makes limits on federal power and things like what the epa can and can't due. one of the nominees is nina and she is getting support and they are saying she is qualified and should be put on the bench right away >> they don't come anymore fair minded, acomplished and experien experience. >> she has been blocked by the republicans now. and with the 60-vote removed it

is easier for the democrats to get her on the bench. she is on the way it looks like >> what are the critics saying? >> they say she is out of the mainstream and deserves scrutiny. here is what she says about abortion: anti-abortion laws enforce women into unwanted pregnancy and describes the vision of the mother and caretacar caretaker in a way that is at odds >> nina is the most extreme judge that has been nominateed for this court. she has a radical track record as a law professor and seems to view everything from a radical feminist thing.

>> she has used that word referring to women as breeders if they are forced to carry pregnancy. but it looks like she is going to take a seat on the important court. >> so the family of a pastor jailed in iran is saying they have been betrayed by the administration. >> and a heart-warming homecoming as a military family meets up for thanksgiving.

cesaeed abedini

>> it is not every day you get pat benatar. a com et is out in the sky and t will either disappear once it comes into the contact with the sun or manage to crash into it and put on a light show on thanksgiving. >> we are getting word of a conformation that there were high level secret talks between the united states and iranian officials and they met at the white house to discuss the talks. secret talks with the iranians and we will get more information

on what went on. the wife of a jailed u.s. pastor in iran is speaking out. she is not happy. she says there has been no mention of her had been's being in prison there. saeed abedini is serving an eight year sentence because of his christian believes. the wife believes the administration betrayed her. >> it was a discourage to realize fighting for someone in prison iran and their religious freedom is being violated is no longer a priority to discuss guy the government. >> she has been fight to free pastor saeed abedini and he is

the chief council at the american law and justice. this must be a frustrating development for you. >> it really is. we have been in discussion with the state department as you know because of the great coverage you have done. the president spoke out and brought out saeed abedini in the converati converation with the president of iran. the fact of the matter is we had an incredible opportunity. you had the president of the united states talking with the president of iran. what a confidence building measure it would have been as part of relief to sanctions they would release saeed abedini and the other two americans being held by the islamic republic of iran. i hold the president responsible for this. by not having that as a pre-condition of release is

outrageous. >> but why is the question? it seems in a way it would have been a gimme to put this in here. it would have made the president look good. so there has to be a why. do you think it was discussed and iran said no because we believe this and this? what do you think happened behind closed doors? >> you know, taking the state department at their word that there were discussions prior to the conference that took place, my sense of what happened is there is a power struggle in iran. but the fact of the matter is, we just reduced and agreed to reduce sanctions and provide aid to the iranian republic. and their response is to transfer him to a prison that is worse. i cannot give a reason other

than it wasn't a priority to the people. he is not a high profile target. this is nothing short of a break in duty. the president could have made the condition. it should have been a gimme and saeed abedini should have been standing next to kerry. >> has the state department responded to you? >> they said they will get back to us later today and i expect it will be nothing -- they shutdown an official statement saying the conversation didn't take place with the pastor or other americans. it was focused on the nuclear disengagement of iran. but these are negotiations. this is worse than jimmy

carter's moves. here you have a situation that was an easy move. we have given up the chips we had on the table. what brought the iranians there. >> imagine what you and i would be doing today? we would be blplanning to discu this incredible moment and something good came of this and looking forward to speaking with him on the program and hear his side. >> instead they have another christmas with no father. and kids with another christmas with no pastor saeed abedini and their father not there. >> thank you very much. >> a symbol of american resi resilliance. access to the the world trade center museum no one has seen until now >> we built the glass so we

could show the first artifacts you will see. they are beat up, but standing strong. it is reminder to people we are resilient.

>> we are only success mont away from the next -- six -- next 9-11 tragedy memorial. we were given access to parts of the museum that hasn't been shared with the public. >> this is the entry way and what happened and how we responded is told. >> joe daniels, president of the museum, gave us an inside look

at the pavilion, the only part of the museum above ground. >> we built this so we could show the first artifacts that you will see which are these two twin tridens that are beat up, but standing strong and showing people we are resilient. >> i don't think people understand or have a grasp until they walk inside here. on the second floor, this is an audiotorium. and this is the atrium. >> it is dramatic in the area with the oak trees, fountains and you are elevated. >> this is my favorite areas. you are seeing the pools from

the north and south and you see these here and this position against one world trade center and it is this idea of remembrance and rebirth. >> atrium is a place people will not forget. >> it puts this life into view. >> craig is architect. >> building is as if it is balancing on that one tiny spot. >> what does that represent? >> the frailty of things we take for granted >> when you see people come to what you have built and created, how do they respond? >> they will see the reflection

in the glass and be aware of themselves. and then two of the original columns are here. they see themselves as a part of the past and present. >> it is going to be remarkable. and it will be bigger than anyone can imagine. the structure is dwarfed by the size of the buildings built. you are talking about 120,000 square feet from beneath the word trade center north tower to beneath the world trade center south tower. it is enormious and i am encouraging people to put it on your list. >> we have been waiting for along time for it. it is going to be an emotional moment when it opens. it is fitting. and ready to be opened.

let's hope may is a good hard date. absolutely. very interesting. all right. well there is more trouble to talk about today on the horizon. we are learning more about people getting health care from employers. will that stick around?

martha: a homecoming to be very thankful for. watch right now. >> thank you for serving our country and for being great lions fans. one more thing, captain, welcome home. martha: oh, her little girl is waiting at dad. his wife and three kids came to the game in front of 62,000 fans.

being reunited with his family. happy thanksgiving to them and to all the military families. today's top headlines and the stories that you will see carefirst. bill: two boys plucked from very scary ocean waters. we will show you how they stayed alive until help arrives. and a woman on trial after plotting with her brother and son to kill her estranged husband. so she could catch on in the life insurance. now she might actually take the stand. all of these stories and more are happening right now.