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>> i had missed it. >> very powerful. start your day with "fox and friends" starting at 5:00 a.m. you don't want to miss it. >> we will see you back here tomorrow night. healthcare.gov strikes again. >> i don't think obama care is failing. access has been a failure a this point in time. >> the more it looks as if it's going to take quite a while. this website may never be quite right. >> it needs to be fixed. >> the next ticking time bomb.
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increased costs for anyone that gets health care through their employer. >> the real problem with obama care is not that the website isn't working. it's frankly that the affordable care act is working just as it was designed. >> the roll out and a malfunctioning website isn't the problem. obama care, itself, is the problem. >> we're seeing costs go up. we're seeing millions of americans lose the insurance that they like. >> hello, everyone, i'm dana perino. the obama care deadline to fix healthcare.gov, it will operate much better than it did in october. much better. that's it? former senior adviser to president reagan joins us. sir, what do you think is going to happen on november 30th?
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is this going to be another missed deadline for healthcare.gov? >> this is getting very redundant, dana. but more important than that, i agree with sarah palin, the endemic problem, is the whole plan itself, people losing their health care and the rest. this is going beyond crippling barack obama's presidency, destroying hiss credibility. it's destroying or damaging the fundamental progressive idea, the philosophy of the democratic party that the government can really do great and good things and can do them well, given enough time and effort. >> one of the things that the administration has said is that if it is working 80% good enough, that they will consider
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that success. now if you're an american family that's at home and you're worried, during the holidays that you have lost your insurance or you don't know how to quite get the insurance you want, you won't get the subsidy, you won't get the tax credit, what does that do to trust in government at all all-time low? >> 5 million people have lost their health care and can't get it and millions of others who have employer plans are about to lose their health care, what do you care about whether some website is 80% working or not? the whole thing is not being to go to certain hospitals, they're losing doctors, their premiums are increasing, their benefits are decreasing, they're losing some plans, forced to get others. this whole thing is a debacle. i think this is whole thing is a redistribution of wealth from one group of americans to another. >> what are the consequences for the obama administration if the deadline on november 30th comes and goes, it might not be earth
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shattering and people don't expect that it will be working well. what is the consequences that the obama administration pays for botching the rollout of the president's signature program? >> by now, as churchill once said, the rubble is beginning to bounce. one after another, after another of these stories is adding to the public's dissatisfaction with what the obama care is producing. their distrust of government. i don't think this is going to stop. because even if you have the obama care website up there at 100%, you mean the other people losing their health care and hospitals and doctors, all the rest, that is going through to the new year. barack obama promised he was going to be a transformational president. he was going to be for progressives what ronald reagan was for conservatives. we now see his basic program, his legacy program, his great achievement is becoming
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increasingly a great disaster and a great failure. so i think it is not only again the president that's got a problem, it is the philosophy of democratic party and i don't know whenever again a president will attempt this great leap forward with government. >> i wondered if you can put yourself back in the white house as an advisor to the president and say that you're advising president obama. what do you think that the team should do right now to first stop the bleeding and then try to turn things around? >> i don't know what they can do, dana, because i think it's baked in the cake. i do know this, there should have been aides close to the president who every time they -- we're hearing this from hhs and people came over from that
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computer firm and they told us this, maybe we ought to hold this thing up for a year, maybe even if we have to give in to the republicans and we get some egg on our face, put it off for a year, because we bet the farm on this, this is our number one program, it's your legacy, we believe in it, it's our philosophy, you don't plunge ahead with something, it's like invading a place when you get a report that the enemy is all over the beaches and you don't know it. >> i think that nobody could have put it better than you tonight. thank you so much for joining us mr. buchanan. now to a word that keeps coming up, redistribution, you won't hear the r-word coming from the white house. is that what's really behind obama care? byron york joins us, i was following you on twitter yesterday, and there was this debate going back and forth about is it or is it not redistrictation. >> the white house is very scared of it because they think
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it sounds very, very liberal and far left and they never, ever used it when they were trying to sell this program. now however, you know, with so many millions of people who have lost their coverage, other millions who are afraid of losing their coverage, other millions who are going to have to pay more, have higher deductibles, we're seeing a lot more about the winners and losers of obama care, this article we quoted from the "new york times" said, redistribution was always a central feature of obama care. that's absolutely -- remember the president said obama care would help make the health care system better for everyone. he said the average family would save $2,500 a year in their premiums. he famously promised if you had health care coverage and you like it, you'll be able to keep it. a lot of critics are coming out and saying there really are tradeoffs in the health care law.
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>> what sort of political price do you think the white house will pay, if the deadline is not met, their own self-imposed dead line of november 30, when the website's supposed to be up and running. do you think it's a giant game of jenga, when you find out your health care premiums are not going down, your doctor might not be on the plan you wanted. are they about to yank out a piece and the whole thing falls apart? >> right the jenga idea does suggest that maybe there will be some enormous collapse. it could be that there's a continual decline. there's a new poll out in which people were asked, do you believe president obama can manage the government effectively. just 47% thought he could manage
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the government effectively. i would expect the president's approval ratings to go down further. then you have to remember, we have just been hearing mostly about people who are in the individual markets who have lost their coverage. that's a pretty small portion of the whole insurance market, even though it involves millions of people. there's lots more people who are going to be affected too. there are millions in the small group market, that is they work for a company that has between 2 and 50 employees, they're probably going to be affected just like the ones in the individual market. then there's that even bigger group, 100 plus million who work for bigger companies and they get their health care at work. what's going to be the effect on them? if the effect on them mirrors the small insurance market, the president's numbers could go far, far down. >> but the republicans suffer from the same type of thing. the word redistribution, if the republicans harp on that word and not explain what it means,
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their philosophy behind it, do you think they run the risk of continuing to sound like they don't want health care? >> that's a good point, i don't think you're going to see them focus a lot on the word redistribution. remember, john mccain and joe the plumber and when president obama said it's better to spread the wealth around, the campaign hit hard on that for days and days and days and did use the r-word, the redistribution word--i don't think you'll see the republican say that, you'll fee them focus on each day's bad news more people who are canceling policies. >> for the republicans, it's like christmas every day, right? those stories happen on an hourly basis almost. byron, thank you so much. >> thank you. so did the obama administration know that healthcare.gov was nowhere near ready for launch?
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looked through this report. hindsight is 20/20, you can look back and say how did they miss that? when i read your there's new information about the obama care website's failure to launch. it turns out that cgi, the contractor that built healthcare.gov was high on confidence but low on delivery. amy goldstein joins us. amy, what did you find when you looked through this report. hindsight is 20/20, you can look back and say how did they miss that? when i read your article, i was very surprised that no one was running around threatening to light a match on their head if they didn't do something to let the president know this was not ready for prime time. >> well, actually within hhs, the department of health and human services, from the documents that we looked at for this story that ran in the post this weekend showed us that starting about early july, people were starting to get very worried that the main contractor that had been hired to build this website, as you said, cbi federal seemed to be promising more than they delivered. in late august, the company was hauled up to baltimore for the head quarters for the center for medicare and medicaid services. at that two-day meeting, they were asked to go point by point by point through all the items they were responsible for building and to say where those items really were. then it turns out that about a
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month later, in the days just before october 1, when obviously the website tried to launch, what the company had predicted in a august didn't turn out to be true a month later. >> by august of 2013, just a couple of months ago, the federal taxpayers had by cgi federal about $197 million. in order to get all these ficks completed, having that many people work on this different bugs that were in healthcare.gov, do we have any idea how much more money the taxpayers have had to pay to fix it? >> that's a good question. $197 million hasn't all been paid, but that's the amount the federal government has promised to pay.
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as i understand it, the negotiations of whether there's going to be more that's owed hasn't taken place. they're working more on getting the website working. >> cms, the government's stake holder, how many people do they have working on it? or what do you they're doing in order to try to get this deadline met by november 30, that's just coming up in five days? >> it's coming up pretty soon, and there are a few hundred people at this point working on it. among the people working on it are the employees of cgi who had been working on it this summer. to this day, not all the computer code that cgi is writing is working perfectly when it's tested by a broader number of people. things are sort of getting fixed, things aren't quite getting fixed, they go back and work on it again. it's a cumbersome process. >> do you think the administration might take a step to ask for a refund for the taxpayers. >> i haven't heard about that, whether those conversations are happening privately, i suspect we'll all know about it eventually. >> amy, thank you so much. >> good to be with you.
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you've seen it, the democratic defection. the democratic lawmakers starting to turn against obama care. so why the mild prerebellion? are democrats beginning to panic? charles krauthammer joins us. i wanted to ask you if there's anything that you have seen that makes you think that the obama team is going to be able to meet the deadline of november 30th that they have imposed upon themselves and if they can return around the overall come what happens in confidence a
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around the country? >> they would have to get the website working at amazon like levels, which i think is extremely improbable. if it's simply the number of people who can actually get on, that's not going to do much. i'm not sure how the press will treat it, how the main stream media will. but if a week from today it's still as staggering as it is now, it will be a terrible strike against the administration. it will mean every time you make a promise, it will be around the corner. >> are they already starting to feel the effects of what you just described? because in poll after poll in the last ten days to two weeks, the trust in the president himself, they still say they like him, but the belief that he is competent to run the government to the extent that they have trust in him, has taken a real hit. will that affect everything else they try to do? >> absolutely, it poisons everything else they try to do. you're right, what has sustained the president through a lot of
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policy failures is that people trust him and like him. but he told a whopper, he said if you like your plan, you can keep your plan, then he added the fatal words, period, never punctuate an untruth. he said no caveats, no curley qs this is the truth. what that does no obama, obama is a different kind of politician. he's a charismatic politician. he came in out of a cloud, he came out of nowhere. he came in on great speeches and rhetoric, once the rhetoric fails, once people hear it and don't trust it, everything else disappears. >> do you think that's why switching to the other topic i wanted to ask about, which is the deal with the u.n. security
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council regardinger rang and nuclear weapons, do you think that the reaction which was decidedly mixed and i know you were quite critical of the deal they reached, is there anything that you have seen that maybe you missed something, that this is actually a good deal or is the trust factor for the president a real liability in this as well? >> in fact the more i look into the details, the worse it is. and every time, the more i hear what the administration officials are saying in defending this, the more i see deception. i mean, i heard the secretary of state say that they are going to destroy their enriched uranium. so they are not removing or destroying or shipping abroad their highly enriched your uranium from which they enrich a bomb. they have complete control over how and when they can reverse it. so whenever i hear their explanations now, trying to explain all the giveaways in this and how little in fact,
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nothing of any structural importance they got in stopping the nuclear program, i think it increases the problem of how credible anything they say is. >> what do you think about the timing? you know, i'm not the biggest conspiracy theorist, but they have certainly been having a tough time at the white house politically because of obama health care, looking to this deal, do you think they were in too much of a hurry to get something done? or did they think they got the best deal they could? >> they clearly were in a hurry. they probably would have gotten here with or without the collapse of obama care, but it sure gave them an extra
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incentive to get in a hurry, because if they need any distraction, any distraction possible for a government in collapse over its central achievement, obama care is a good thing, so they want the distraction, they think people aren't going to spend a lot of time on the details of this the way the -- so i think that is one of the reasons behind it. but i do think it's part of a larger program, which is the administration wants to show something on iran, they don't quite understand how naive all of this is, how this was tried with north korea, we know it's a disaster, we know it's not going to work. but they want to show that they're at least making some progress. i'm afraid this new age with iran is going to be one that we are going to regret having achieved. >> author of the best seller, "things that matter" thank you so much. all right coming up for the first time, a private marketplace is making it possible to avoid healthcare.gov and still enroll in obama care, find out how that works next.
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now get ready to speed read your way through the news. first to washington. the energy department says it will lose $139 million on a loan to struggling electric car maker. and usa today announces it will not use handout photos from the white house press office except in extraordinary circumstances. those circumstances would have to involve national security in very high news value. usa today owner ganet is among the clarp down on photographer's access to the president. now to florida, the mother of a 12-year-old girl who committed suicide after being bullied now calling for anti-bullying law. rebecca sedgewick's mother says she also intends to sue the people responsible for her daughter's death.
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two of rebecca's classmates were charged with aggravated stalking but those charges were dropped. now to oakland, california where a woman jumped from the stadium deck. both the man and the woman are now hospitalized with serious injuries. now to philadelphia, and new charges in connection with a deadly collapse of a building. last june a building under construction caved in on a salvation army thrift store. the contractor now facing murder and manslaughter charges. imagine being able to just by pass healthcare.gov and still sign up for insurance and get tax credits. now a private marketplace is making that possible. it is called go health. and the senior vice president of consumer markets michael mahoney joins us. michael thank you so much for being with us. is this legal, you can go on a
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website that's not healthcare.gov, you can sign up for health inch insurance? >> it is legal and it's endorsed. we're contracted with the federal government to do so. we have been working on this integration a little more than a year now and just launched it last night. >> you can go on and you can shop around and how do you get the tax secret? >> we're integrated with the federal data hub so it's actually the data hub that determines the tax credit and determines that to us through our technology. think of it as shopping online but completing the enrollment over the phone right now. >> i know shopping online and i love it. let me ask you this, why do we need health care.gov? >> for us, we don't think that you can do anything there that you can't do through us. so our integration with the federal government came at a time when they realized they needed to rely on private entities to enroll everybody that they needed through the service. so they reached out to us, we
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signed a wbe commitment with them, started building more integrated technology and started enrolling consumers last night. >> are you doing what cgi federal t contractor was supposed to do originally? >> a little bit different. the federal government does have a front on their site healthcare.gov. for us we built it ourselves. we have been in the health care technology -- the new piece was plugging into the federal data hub, determining the subsidy correctly and passing the information back and forth between our company and cms. >> so you started signing up people -- >> i can't compare the two, i have never signed up on healthcare.gov. but for us it was a wonderful experience. a woman we talked to said she hasn't had held care in two
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years, and her cost was half of what it was. for a lot of people it's a great break through, we have literally been telling them hold on, hold on, we have almost got a solution. so it's great to deliver on that product. >> so as a consumer, you can be absolutely confident that you're doing the right thing, you don't have to go to healthcare.gov and you can get the security you need for your family by shopping at go health? >> we're actually obligated by the federal government to present the same plan options. consumers need to know that we can't charge you anymore than anybody else for health insurance. so instead of going to healthcare.gov and choosing a plan on your own, you can do so on our platform w ten years of technology, you have a licensed benefit operator walking you through the process. the biggest question we get is what should i buy? we're here to answer. >> who is your paying customer, is it the taxpayer or the health insurance company, how are you going to make a profit? >> correct, so our service
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operates at no cost to the taxpayer, we're paid by the health insurance company so enroll people. because they need enough people enrolled to make the marketplace stable. so we're agnostic about what you purchase. we can answer questions if you don't need to purchase today. but if you enroll in a health plan, that's how we're compensated by the health insurance company. >> michael, i'm loving it. >> so are we. >> so go health is one way to go around the federal website, but are there are others? elise, i got to tell you, listening to him, why in the world do we even need healthcare.gov then? >> a lot of people are going to be asking that question since these private alternatives seem to be -- they act like healthcare.gov was supposed to act in the beginning. so i think that that's going to be a question that's raised, but in a way, federal health officials were wise to make
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these contracts with private companies that have been doing this for years. as your guest said, he has a long history in this industry of providing the exact kind of software that's needed to make these very technical, complicated application procedures work well. so i think that this is a major boom to consumers, dana. >> i'm just going to have a fantasy in my head, imagine president obama is watching "on the record" right now. if i were in his shoes, i would say can you get kathleen sebelius on the phone for me? >> you can imagine that this is the kind of post mortem that's going to be happening for years about how this health care site was constructed so poorly. first there was a long list of federal contractors, many of which had no particular expertise in creating systems exactly like this one. we have to remember that in
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public systems, for systems response sorried by the government, this is unprecedented so really this is expertise that can be found in the private sector, in consumer driven companies that are used to interfacing with the public. those are the ones who really have the expertise here. a and the administration didn't rely on many of them to help out. they seem to be relying on them a little bit now to triage the site or provide alternatives for the public. >> in five days when the deadline for november 30th arrives and the website probably is not working the way the website would like it to or the way that many consumers need it to. at that point does president obama gave the speech, forget healthcare.gov -- >> i think it's very possible, frankly, because like you said, we have less than a week to go until november 30th, which is the self-imposed deadline, and there was an outage on healthcare.gov today and cms
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acknowledged that and said hey, we're still working through some problems. they said they're hoping to build enough capacity to deal with the wave of consumers they expect in december. but it's unclear whether they can do that at this point. i can see a -- listen, there are some of these private alternatives, they're going to operate a little bit differently than healthcare.gov, but they might give you a better experience. and that's good for the administration and the white house's bottom line because they do want millions of people to be signing up for this health care coverage. >> and it's great for people who are right before the holidays wanting to spend time with their families and not worry about finding the right health care plan. >> people need to -- a lot of people out there are concerned right now, they want health care coverage when the new year starts, they don't want to go a day without it. and it's possible that these private alternatives are going to help them. >> all right, let us give thanks for the private sector. thank you very much.
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street. it's the same area that the attack is now on your screen. why was this classified as a hate crime? >> it was classified as a hate crime because when the detectives looked at the case, the crime was against a man, a jewish man, comments that were apparently made, because they can't just classify it as a hate crime if people happen to be of two different ethnicities or two different races. >> do you think there might be more charges coming? >> i think there might be more challenges, but if it's not a hate crime, it becomes an assault, and if the person doesn't suffer serious bodily injury, it's not that serious a charge, but if it is a hate crime, the alleged attack -- the social phenomenon of it.
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we are branding a crime as if it were an ehaven't or a product and making that even more cool and more of an enticement to these thugs who just want to go out there and get a video on youtube or get a video on some of these other outlets where they can put these things up and make a name for themselves. >> they're taking it very seriously, i was at police headquarters today, police commissioner ray kelley says they are looking at it and while this may not seem like a serious crime to some people, some people are saying this is media hype, it is if it happens to you and the public is very concerned because it's bringing in that element of fear.
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you don't know if you're walking out on the street if it could possibly happen to you. so the police commissioner is saying, i'm going to take a look at this, people are very concerned about this and we're going to see if this is a trend or just a temporary fad. >> he's not saying at the moment it is, but they're still looking into it. >> because since this happened there have been other incidents where people have been punched but they're not calling it a hate crime or a knockout game. straight ahead, will you have to change your holiday plans? a major storm slamming the country, just in time for the busiest travel day of the year. we're tracking the storm's path, the latest coming up. test.
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a historic agreement, isles a historic mistake. it does not make the world a safer place. like the agreement with north korea in dive, this agreement has made the world a much more dangerous place. >> israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, blasting the deal that -- under the deal, iran will curb many nuclear activities for six months in exchange for a limited release from sanctions.
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ambassador, i wondered if you could describe the disappointment that the israelis felt when they learned about this deal. >> it's not just a disappointment, it's basically seeing iran produce a nuclear facility and nuclear industry and using the time to deceive the world and basically line and cross every red line possible and in a situation where sanctions are beginning to be effective and instead of really pushing forward to get the iranians to really dismachbtal this nuclear machine they have built, we're now leaving it as it is, with the hope that things will be better. >> and given the iranian's background, and past activities, i would imagine that you think that the chance that hope doesn't sound like a very good strategy? >> that's right because essentially iranians have very, very happy. they're not dismantling their
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nuclear machine. attend of the day, very, very clearly, they did not dismantle the one centrifuge, the enriched uranium doesn't come out, they have a plutonium facility. so the iranians have the industrial infrastructure that they built is absolutely there and in six months they can continue and reach a situation where we won't be a able to stop iran from making a bomb. >> the other countries that agree with the united states and went forward with this publicly have to say that they were for it. but as the ambassador, are you hearinging anything behind the scenes the disgruntlement, the concern or anything that would make you feel that maybe this deal is not a done deal? >> no, i think the deal is done. we think it's a bad deal.
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we're not the only ones out there, you see things, you know, like saudis, the gulfies, many in this region have a reason to distrust the iranians, the iranians continue to support hezbollah, they continue -- look at the behavior of them without nuclear weapons. just think what will happen if they have a nuclear facility, what it means on the proliferation in the region. the world doesn't have a reason to trust iranians and the biggest leverage that we had with sanctions, they brought the iranians over to the negotiation table, one could have used those sanctions and kept the iranians really dismantling the nuclear machine they have built. >> once you start the loosen those sanctions a little bit, very hard to put them back on, right? >> absolutely. it took so much effort to get all the countries to put the
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sanctions in. the sanctions were effective. it was the reason the iranians came over to the negotiation table. we feel this will is a missed opportunity. they're amazing negotiators. they take every red line and divide it into ten pink lines and patch every pink line. the whole world is in danger, if not. >> i stand with the israelis. i know many americans are very worried about this deal. >> the whole world should be. >> yes. i appreciate you coming in taking time to explain it to the american people. >> thank you.
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okay, everyone. it is time to hash it out. big news for basketball star kobe bryant. the los angeles lakers guard striking a deal to stick with his team, like formal good. bryant tweeting out this picture with the caption, laker for life. the two-year deal is reportedly worth $48 million. they hope the deal will ensure that bryant finishes his career as a laker. the monty python reunion show is already a hit according to ticket sales. it sold out in 40.5 seconds. they added four more shows to
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this is a fox news alert. snow, heavy rain, strong winds. a severe storm barrelling across country as millions of americans try to get where they're going for thanksgiving. meteorologist janice dean is tracking the storm and she's here with the latest. what you got, janice? >> it's going to be rough over the next 48 hours affecting 100 million people. even if you don't live in the northeast, the planes are going to cause a ripple effect across the nation if they don't get in and get out. we're dealing with heavy rainfall in the gulf coast states, including the mississippi valley. we have ice and rain and sleet, which could cause problems on the roadways. take a look at your forecast. the temperatures are going to drop as the storm system continues to move up the coast.
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heading into tuesday afternoon. that's when i think the worst of the weather is going to start affecting all the big cities from d.c., philadelphia, new york up toward boston. tuesday afternoon, d.c. mainly a rain event. you're getting some snow downwind of the great lakes, interior sections of the northeast. we could see one to four inches of very heavy rain, even the potential for severe weather, including isolated tornadoes across the south, and then incredible amounts of snow, upwards of a foot in some of these areas, especially across the mountains. mainly a rain event across the coast, dana. however. we're going to see gusty winds in excess of 40 to 50 miles an hour. that's going to cause flight delays, maybe even cancellations, starting tomorrow afternoon, overnight and into wednesday, causing a ripple effect across the country. freezing rain ald viz reez as well as ice storm warnings for
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the spine of the appalachians. really dangerous. quick look at your timeline. again, tuesday afternoon in the southeast, wednesday, midday, mid-atlantic northeast. thursday it's out of here and that's when i think people should travel is on thanksgiving, because between now and wednesday, it's going to be rough. including you, my friend. >> wish you could have fixed that, janice. thank you for being with us and be sure to tune in again tomorrow night at 7:00 for on the record and i'll see you tomorrow night on the 5:00. good night. tonight. >> this agreement has made the welcome to "red eye." tonight -- >> coming up on "red eye." the grand canyon, is this national landmark home to a giant man eating rattlesnake set to feast on residents of arizona? plus, does the vice president want to force every american to buy a segue? >> the rest of the world is moving. we have to move faster than the rest of the world. how else are we going to compete? >> and finally, paper clips. deadly weapon? office supply? none of these stories you will see on "red eye." >> she is hideous and ugly. i am here with brooke goldstein, found you are of the children's rights institute.
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