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over the years? >> i happen to be a proponent of single payer health care. we may not get there immediately. >> i'm all for a single payer system. what we have to do is work with what we've got to close the gap. >> obama care is a step in the right direction and we're far from having something that's going to work. >> myself would have preferred single payer or public option. but this was a compromise. >> is that the end game all along? bob, wasn't it their goal to get single payer as a part of obama care. there wasn't enough democratic votes when they were trying to push it through. they wanted a public option to be able to compete in the insurance marketplace and the insurance industry went crazy and they dropped it because of that. that had always been something that a lot of us wanted and when the democrats took over both the house and the senate and the white house there was still hope

you could push that through and then it became clear the insurance companies weren't going to allow that so they fell back under obama care. >> eric, what do you think? from day one it seems like this is what they have wanted. >> we have been talking about that's the ultimate goal. it's the only thing that would actually work in their world. what they're trying to do is a qazi hybrid government run versus capital health care system. it's not going to happen. if they said give us your best price and public option comes in over here and they try to undercut the private companies people on the right would say that's not fair trade. that's not capitalism. but now we're forced to buy something. you're forced on to the system. but i have to take a step back. take a step back and take a deep breath. this system stinks. this system is horrible. it can't work. young people aren't signing up.

forget the website. that's going to bubble up soon. deductibles, premiums are going up. doctors are leaving. at the end of the day there's nothing here. it's going to collapse. it has to collapse. there's no way this works. we spent a lot -- >> there's a small percentage of people that are not going to have their insurance. >> no you're not. people aren't going to sign up for this. they'll take the fine and who know what is the irs is going to do about that. it's a disaster. >> yeah, we have been looking in a capitalist system verses the government when you have medicare and medicaid. it's been going on for years. >> that is absolutely incorrect. >> medicare is a government sponsored. >> medicare is for the elderly. medicaid is for people that can't afford. >> they live side by side. >> they're not mandated bob. >> i don't think you can not pay medicare payments. >> you're not mandated to buy

it, though. >> let me get in here, as this thing progresses and gets worse my prediction is it doesn't collapse. i can't see the biggest spender in history letting this thing spiral on its own. he will take massive amounts of money to keep it afloat. but what if they have to say let's step in here and the government take control? >> it's hard for me to imagine an america today where that political conversation could take place and be successful. possibly in some of the states. you might be able to do a state-based experiment in vermont or somewhere where there's the political will to do that. in the recent book called "double down," they recount a scene in which president obama gets very frustrated with everybody telling him what to say and how to say it and he says why don't i just go out there and say what i really

think about all of these things, climate change, health care, and he has a whole long list. and it would be refreshing to be able to hear that list but i understand why his handlers were making sure he didn't take that step. single-payer works well in a left wing audience when you're running to a primary. but then when you have to try to win country-wide, america is just not there. they would rather have a competitive system and to give that a shot and to take care through a safety net of the elderly and people that aren't able to -- are so low income they need medicaid or a helping hand from one job to the next. that's the kind of america most people want. that's why they didn't go for what they wanted. >> the political reality is that given the make up of the congress now, it would be impossible to get a single-payer plan through. it would.

you really having to live with this. they want the reports taken care of and they want to see people that don't have insurance get insurance. that's the one thing the public does. it may not work for them. but at the end of the day, they do away from obama care and want to see people that don't have insurance get insurance. >> both houses of congress and the white house, even now, it's going to be tough for them to push anything through as far as single pair but dana brought up president obama and getting him to be honest about what he wants. he hasn't always been consistent on how he feels. take a listen to the president in august of 2009 contradicting the sound we just played on him and his views of single pair. >> i have not said that we are a single payer solution. we have had a employer based system in this country and for us to transition to a system

like that i believe would be too disruptive. so i'm not promoting a single-payer plan. >> which one is it? >> it is the reality. i have less interest in what president obama really thinks and i'm more into reality. it's nobody's plan. we're in the middle of the system we had and the system we're forced to live with. and the system we're forced to live with in obama care is unworkable and the system we had needs to be tweaked. i'm not that interested in what president obama thinks and he is about to lose the senate. i believe we stay on the same trajectory. the most significant thing that happened was lanny davis hopping on one of the evening shows and saying don't blame president obama. all democrats should apologize because we have been pushing for universal health care and it's working. i thought to myself, this is the moment where everybody is going to come together and my idea isn't good.

let's have an idea that's going to work. my feel as good there's no way president obama has a master plan to collapse the system and only leaving the single payer out t. same people that brought you that website and are so detached are not the same people that have the master plan. >> you said it needed to be tweaked. it needed to be completely wiped out. >> i don't think sonch. >> it was terrible. the cost of medicine was way out in front of inflation. things were not working. >> but why -- >> people come here for our top level medical plans. >> why did there have to be a total overhaul. why couldn't they start small to tweak the system rather than reforming one third of the entire u.s. economy. >> you said something important, the cost of medical care was going up. it doesn't address the cost of medicare whatsoever. >> we don't know that. we haven't seen it in place.

>> it may cause it to rise because it doesn't address the real issue and that is the real issue. the cost of medical care. it offers health insurance to people that don't have it and you try to figure out a way to insure 30 or 45 million people without costing the american public not a single dime more. remember that? how is that going to happen? >> it wasn't possible to do it then and it's not possible to do it now. as a country we have a responsibility to pony up money for those that don't have insurance. >> but we have been. that's what we do. there's another cost and it's the cost of innovation and medical ideas and going forward to try to come up with new drugs and new technologies and rather than having somebody get their tonsils out and having to be in the hospital for seven days, is there a better technology so they can recover for 48 hours. that comes from a market that is

thriving. not one where the government is pressing down and i think that perk has helped lead the world in medical innovation an the unfortunate cost of this legislation for the past four years and probably continuing on until we have more certainty is the cost of new wonderful medical break throughs. >> medical devices as well as the bio tech industry has been destroyed. these people are putting their hands up and saying it doesn't make financial sense to bring these drugs to market. >> it's ridiculous. >> i know a lot of people in that business and they are saying to themselves not right now because they're taking risks. >> they're already planning, isn't it true, by the administration, to sponsor health plans and this was something written into obama care so they can go and sponsor specific health plans. two plans. it's a multistate thing, the new york times covered it in the fall. that would be a big deal. how could an insurance company compete with the president. >> that was the argument to do

away with a public option. which i thought was a bad argument but anyone you can sell a single payer plan. all the stuff we're talking about gets down to the question of cost and delivery and i'm not arguing that we don't have excellent medical care in this country, if you can afford to get it. there's two level of care in this country. one for those that have money and the rest of the people. but that's what you're going to create. >> you don't think that was there to begin with? >> i think in general you got good medical care whether you were going to an emergency room or had a private doctor take care of you. what you're doing now is creating everybody on obama care, we talked about this a lot, a good doctor is going to take a group of private patients rather than seeing what he is going to get on obama care and if they're going to pay him back. they don't like it. ask any doctor in the world who takes medicare or medicaid if they like it. if they do it because they like

it or do it because they took the oath to do it. >> and why do you not have what you have new york city. >> the other thing that obama care did not address which is another cost and the cost of doctors and their decision to stay in business or not is tort reform and it's something that's so prohibited that you will have more doctors that decided to make a choice and if you want to come see me there's a flat fee for it. the cost is not just the direct taxpayer money, obama care is lying like a lead blanket over innovation. >> i have been for tort reform for a long time. trial lawyers put a lot of money in the democratic campaign. >> but the two states that have tort reform has v the highest medical cost in america. >> i don't understand. >> insurance companies aren't paying. people think you can sue a

doctor and the insurance companies just pony up the money. they don't. that's a bigger problem. tort reform is not the answer. >> how to raise your children right. right as in conservative or he could turn out to be punk kids like these kids. coming up on "the five."

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welcome back to "the five." being a parent is not easy. i have a 15-year-old son at home. we're trying to raise him to be a good citizen that honors our tradition and cares about the country. unlike these punks a few months ago. >> what he have to say, huh?

[ inaudible ] >> petraeus out of duty. >> you're a war criminal. you're a war criminal. >> he would get it for me if he was one of those kids. when i send him off to college he'll have left wing professors like this. >> as on the record and printed on the radio and tv is the last vest campers of angry old white people and that's what this is. republicans are 82% white. >> republicans, angry old white men. 82% white. angry, old --

>> that sure fits you pretty well. this guy represents a small percentage of people in classes. today in america there's more kids taking business administration than taking liberal arts in college. >> thank goodness. >> the idea that somehow, well, greg is not here but the whole notion that all the professors are like that are silly or all liberal kids are going to treat pedestrians tr-- are going to treat him like that. >> let's start with the petraeus. he said i'll teach it for $1 and the class was made up of honor students. all the knuckle heads that are screaming at him on the street were not a part of the honors class. >> it was the professor that put him up to it, right?

>> yeah. >> my thoughts as i said at the time. it's absolutely outrageous. i'm embarrassed for the kids that are going to grow up and look at that video and say what am i doing. i don't care what your political slant is. what this guy has done is her c heroic. what he designed with the surge will be looked at for generations. he should be saluted in the same way as which he served. >> bob gets mad at us when we pull these liberal professors that trash republicans and the gop any of the time but we're willing to run any of the sound bites he comes up with conservative professors doing the same thing but we can't find any. >> i think they're intimidated and the truth is there's the ones we just played. but for those kids to think they can intimidate somebody like

pedestria petraeus and he is going to be scared of a bunch of kids. >> oklahoma, nebraska, do you think they're full of liberal professors teaching that kind of stuff? >> i'm not sure that they are. >> come on. >> bob, i went to college too and my professors were very liberal. i distinctly remember being taught liberal ideology in college. >> it didn't speak. >> you have two kids. do you push liberalism on them at all? >> no but they are liberal because i'm liberal. and there's nothing wrong with being a liberal. i don't find that bad. >> what about you and your daughter's friend? >> i have two daughters 10 and 12 and my son 17. >> i think it's not important to say they're conservative or liberal but you have to be

patriotic. you to have pride in your country and learn to question things and if you see a professor jamming down your throat that ex-president are party or white or racist or black or anything like that, you stand up for it. that stuff rubs off on you but i never sat down with brian and said this is what you think and this is what you know and this is what i hope you conclude. >> here's the five things you do to make your kids conservative. teach them values. liberal people teach their kids values too. it may surprise a lot of people but they do. >> i have a sophomore in high school who he goes to public high school, very, very liberal group of people teaching him and then students are liberal. they hear it. they feel it. they breathe it. they get it. they lean left. he comes from a conservative household. he understands about the constitution and certain amendments in the constitution. when he hears stuff in school, it jogs his memory. i'm not sure if he's going to be

conservative or liberal but i have given him the frame work -- >> i am very, very liberal. my brother is right of you. >> how did you end up that way? >> dropped you on your head. >> can i mention something that i don't think until i was a much older adult and i still don't ask them today, i don't know how my parents voted. i think i remember one election they came home from work and they had both voted and i remembered them saying they had cancelled each other out but i didn't know who voted for whom. my parents just provided an stunt for me to think a lot of different things. one year coming home in college i told my dad i was thinking about becoming a buddhist and he probably had to swallow hard to say knock yourself out with that one. >> parents, liberal or conservative? >> i don't know. now more conservative because they watch fox news. >> what about you, growing up? >> probably moderate conservative. i don't know. maybe not.

>> mine were left wing. left of center. >> you? >> let of left. >> i had a conservative and independent and my dad brought more of that on social issues with him but the best was making me work and getting your kids a job. you look at that paycheck. you look at the paycheck you see how much is taken out. they would show me what they pay in taxes. i would observe their example. my dad said don't take a nickel from the government. i never did. he was say being self-reliant. >> i think my dad was one of the first libretarians i ever knew. they probably think i'm crazy now. >> we have to leave it there. ahead some left wing union supporters attack walmart for doing a thanksgiving food drive. who writes this crap is what i want to know? crap is what i want to know. >> we'll have that.

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mcdonald's has some advice about its some advice for workers, budgeting, effectively and more. but they call mcresource advises workers who might be stressed to sing away the stress, chew away their cares. quit complaining. now the advocacy group called low pay is not okay is complaining about that. they are pushing mcdonalds to pay more money to their fast food workers and not give advice. do you understand the mind set of the employer being mad at the employee for complaining? >> yes, i do. i hate people that complain. what's the saying a very famous person said in this building.

negative people make positive people sick? that's very true. why are they telling them how to run their lives. >> whistle while you work. >> can you imagine saying i'll take six chicken nuggets and somebody going the hills are alive. >> if they sang as well as you i wouldn't mind but if you are st raise your hormone level 15 times what it should be and therefore you're not going to be healthy. >> let me tell you something, with that one, that's a flat out lie. they say all of this is based on research. we asked our brain room to find out any evidence to that. they found out nothing. mcdonald's is a promotion for mcdonald's only. they could give a crap about their employees. >> they are a huge employer in this country. >> low wage jobs. >> and they do provide videos to low paid workers to get over it. >> that's great. >> what's your problem with saying to an employee here's how

you can be happy and healthy. >> because it's crap. you're feeding them crap. >> let me guess, you want the employer to pay the employee nor. >> absolutely. but when they say this will reduce your stress. >> but the bottom line is the reason why the union pushed back is they wanted more money. >> the web page is a lie. >> mcdonald's you're losing -- >> you're losing your mind over the web page. >> mcdonald's employees web page is a lie. >> when you look at the menu at mcdonald's. >> no, i think they're lying. i had a chance last weekend. i stopped at three mcdonald's on the way. we did a road trip on a weekend. now, this is just my personal experience. in each place that i went because i loved the hot chocolate and the diet coke is a perfect blend and it's fabulous. i love the smell of the fries. but i don't eat them anymore. what i witnessed was a diverse group of people with really good managers with very pleasant

attitudes and everybody was happy. i'm not saying they're so happy because they're making a low wage at mcdonald's but i think that the training and the management seems to be from my personal experience pretty good. i don't want a -- a low wage job like working at mcdonald's isn't meant to be for your whole life. you can take advantage of the good training programs and leadership. >> open up your own business. >> i would be more likely to hire somebody who worked at mcdonald's than hasn't. >> and understands the responsibility and checks and balances. should we just pay people from mcdonald's more and tell them to sing less? >> i'm against the minimum wage. the free market is the best of the proper wage. that's what's going to happen. you're breathing heavy but that's ultimately what this is all about. the fast food workers industry wants a $15 per hour minimum wage across the board. >> against the minimum wage. >> it would drive the lower half

of the profitability companies off the chart. millions of jobs. we go away. when you raise the minimum wage -- >> i heard that's never been proven. >> look at the wages of mcdonald's down in texas. they naturally go up. >> in north dakota you can get a scholarship there. they will pay you and move you. that's what the market represents. now lest talk about walmart. people are upset about walmart because they have collections for some of their employees that could use a little help. people are criticizing and saying don't have a collection for walmart workers. just pay them more. do you think it's distasteful to have a collection come holiday time like thanksgiving for coworkers? >> no, it's a nice gesture. if coworkers want to contribute, that's what they do. if someone has fallen on hard times they have rallied together to help them pay their bills, especially at christmas time. it's very nice. >> what about having corporate organization toward helping

people out? >> they don't pay people enough money to have a good thanksgiving, that's why. and they make them work on thanksgiving. after they have driven mom and pop shops out of business. >> closed? >> i would be happy for them to be closed. >> i would love for them to leave walmart alone because this is a choice they make for one another. >> and you agree with bob there. >> if you don't want to work, don't work. quit. go find another job. >> there's no jobs around. >> bob, you're so inconsistent it's unbelievable. just raise the minimum wage drive jobs elsewhere. >> you can't prove that would be the case. >> you can't prove raising the minimum wage will do something that wonlt dri't drive them awa >> they will pay more in sales tax. >> somebody around this table said the entry level pay is

meant to be a path. >> do you think they think that's a first level job. >> i've never seen anyone unhappy but mcdonald's has a suggestion. they can sing. it's not the employment there. >> i don't want to sacrifice the show for walmart and mcdonald's because bob you're getting mad. straight ahead, hope you all made it home for the holiday yesterday and the weather didn't get in the way. how is the forecast for the way home? stay tuned and we'll give you an update. a warning for high school kids trying to get into college. admission officers reading your tweets and what your posts are online. details straight ahead. delete, delete, delete.

as a dad with a kid in college and another one on her way soon i have been thinking about the college admissions process and their bills and what criteria can be used to get accepted. a growing number of schools are move agoway from the sat and act. more no longer mandate score submissions. i'm for that. i saw a senior in high school who is a friend of mine's daughter who was a straight a student. head of the cheer leading squad. she couldn't get in the college of her choice because she didn't have an sat score. sat is a disgrace for admissions departments to use it. it's lazy and they're lousy tests. >> how do you really feel? tell us? >> well, how else do you -- how else can you get a standard grade for someone from oklahoma

to new york to wisconsin? >> look at their high school transcripts. >> but different high schools have different demands and you don't know if there's an inflation of grades from here to there. >> my son is a senior in classroom too. >> and you're going to put it on dudes outside of princeton that decide this. >> are you telling me it's a bunch of guys smoking pot. >> no, it's been unattack for years and for good reason. >> i also know that three of the ten schools he is applying to don't want them. >> let them all get rid of them. >> what they should have is an essay test because of the ineptitude in writing. >> they have it now. >> not all universities have it. but getting there. >> i understand what you're coming from. you're not a great test taker. but that's you. a lot of people -- but also, in schools and public schools they also have to help you pass the

sats. so you might have an 82 and you kick butt on the sats and catapult yourself. >> i'm not the greatest test taker. my excuse is i had to go to the bathroom during the sats but the writing portion, the essay portion. i don't think they can base it just on tests. but if they just make the panel decide at their own will based on diversity purposes, i think that's probably not very fair. >> how did you do on your sat's? >> i did well. but why would we take tools away from an admissions office on any school? let them use their own criteria. i would have more. i would have transcripts and sat and act and a special essay. i would have whatever it takes. there's different criteria in different high schools around the country. one of the best high schools in the country is across the river in jersey city. is it fair that those kids might get lower transcript scores to a

kid that may go to a lower school or city and be graded at the same level. >> we were reflecting what people were doing but they had a kid take them back to back and the range was 350 points. >> you're making a very good point that within the act or sat you may want to dig in and find out and make sure that the questions are fair to a wider group of kids rather than telling the college what is they should or shouldn't be looking at. >> it's a fairly low bar. what we're asking american students to pass and if they're going to be competitive with students from all around the world, passing the sat and act, getting a descent score is probably not that much to pass. >> maybe i'm upset because i got the lowest score on the sat. >> if you're heading home, stay for an update on the travel situation. >> and six americans we should be thankful for this season.

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♪ say you want a revolution ♪ well you know you've known brian for years as a t >> you've known brian as a tv host here at fox but he is also an accomplished historian that cowrote a fascinating book about the unsung heros of the revolutionary war. it's on the new york times best seller list and couldn't be getting better reviews including from two generals. tommy franks writes freedom is not tree. never has been and never will be. they have done a wonderful job of reminding us all of the cost. great read. and this, a fascinating read highlighting some of our nation's unknown heros. heros that never sought credit nor recognition. brian places them in their proper historical context as brave patriots that defended the american revolution. >> thank you.

>> high praise, indeed. >> yeah. it's a thrill to have them read it and what is very emotioabout them men, they never want any credit. what i try to highlight and have been studying this since 1990 is that we know washington belongs on a mountain. they're all extraordinary but you didn't know a bar tender could do what he did. you didn't know a farmer could do what he did. a guy who owned the grocery store could have the courage that robert townsend displayed. a guy that was a printer and journalist could do it. how a woman could infull tratra >> so this is people passing things on to washington. >> while the british were in the whole area. they had to have a cover story. that's why the bartender -- as

you see this map as the great animation department put up he went 55 miles when he got work that something had to be picked up in manhattan. he would have to take a ferry. why, because the bar tepider needed supplies. and caleb brewster had five friends in a row boat and they would row across to george washington. with notes with invisible ink and encryption. you didn't know what it meant. you didn't know that 714 meant the grocery store owner and i found this whole thing fascinating so we tried to put it together in this story and hopefully it gives these guys a great read. >> 711 was named after washington. >> so there's somebody that's never been identified. how is that possible? >> there's a lot of different

theories from all across the country now that everyone is reading the books and i didn't want to jump to conclusions and diminish everything else i. could be the sister of robert townsend or a love interest of robert townsend. they both came in with one certain letter which is to be of supreme help to all of us and it's a lady. sophistication. 355 is how the ledger reads. >> now that you're a new york times best selling author can you get tables there now? >> no, they're the only place i can get tables because they'll box over there. for the most part it's telling a story. >> quickly, would you cast anyone from the fox newschannel in the movie? maybe steve? elizabeth hasslebeck? >> elizabeth could be the lady 355 but of course i would have to have screenings with dana and yourself to give you a proper opportunity. >> bob could be george

washington. >> we love your enthusiasm. >> 711. >> it's a great thing to get your family for the holidays. >> i appreciate it and i love talking about it on "the five". >> can i stick around for one more block? >> yeah, because guess what? one more thing is up next.

it's now time for it's now time for one more thing. dana, you're kicking us off. >> my favorite topic, george w.

bush. president bush became a painter after he left the white house. he is actually, very, very good. and, you know, at the white house there's always an ornament every year. you can get the official one from the ar kind chives but at bush center.org you can buy this one. president bush painted a cardinal. this bird that mrs. bush chose for the ornament for the year. you can go on bush center.org and have a great ornament but one painted by president bush. >> look at that. >> yesterday was thanksgiving a lot of people had a chance to be with family and friends. i want to know you a list of stores here that had the kourcoe to let their employees off for thanksgiving unlike walmarts and mcdonald's. home depot, nordstrom, costco t.j. maxx.

congratulations. >> you can order online, though. >> people wanted to work. >> why are you interrupting my one more thing? >> a lot of people like working. >> you can't debate on one more thing. it breaks all the five rules. >> brian. >> it's hard to be a champion and doubly hard to be a champion and have a good time but the miami heat have a great time while they were winning. they photo bomb each other in interviews. there's lebron jumping in front of dewayne wade. having a great time in postgame interviews there. there you see ray allen and then lebron being interviewed and this happened also this week, you're about to see dewayne wade behind lebron do a cart wheel. first they threw a towel on his head and then a cart wheel right behind him. >> they just love this game and love to win. i just wanted to share that with you. >> that's cute. if you have ever been to johnnys

in huntington beach california and admire the pro-veteran sign. they were told to take it down or face a fine. a lot of people are upset. they should be upset. they have until tuesday to take it down. >> we should rally and pay the fib fine and leave it up. >> i'm beginning to use my time to talk about your one more thing. what about some of the employees that wanted to make time and a half or double time. >> a lot of these stores are paying them. >> why should they be mandated to shutdown on thanksgiving. >> it was a question of heart. >> fast food restaurants to raise their salaries. >> one level of free market what is heartless. >> what about stores being open on christmas? >> what if you're jewish?

what about muslim holidays. should they close on muslim holidays? >> absolutely not. >> i cleaned house. set your dvr so you never miss an episode of the five. we'll be back here on monday. @m kelly. have a great weekend. welcome to the studio audience edition of hannity. tonight, you get to meet the millennials. now over the course of the next hour, some familiar faces from generation "y" will be here to tackle a wide range of topics from politics to top culture to some of the most divisive social issues we face as a country. no subject off limits. i want this program to be more than just identifying the challenges that face this generation because so important, we also identify solutions. and with that said, we begin tonight we look at the millennials by numbers. many young americans at this age range, sadly, after nea