great to hear it. thank you. that's it for this week's show. thanks to my panel and all of you for watching. i'm paul gigot. hope to see you right here next week. it is d-day for the website powering president obama's signature health care law. hello, everyone. glad you're with us. >> welcome inside america's news headquarters. white house officials say they're on track to meet the deadline for the online obama care fixes. today is the self-imposed date to have healthcare.gov running smoothly for a variety of users. molly heninburg is live in washington. >> president obama's team working on the website says it will update us on success rates

of the relaunch of health care.gov as it goes forward. the man heading up the fixes said earlier this week today, deadline today, quote, there could be moments in the middle of the day seems to be the peak where capacity goes beyond that current user level, at which point there will be a customer friendly queueing system, which will notify you when to come back to the site. he says by today 50,000 people should be able to use the website at the same time. and that the website should be able to handle, in total, 800,000 day. overnight the scheduled hours of maintenance on the site turned into 11 hours of maintenance. something republicans noted today when talking about the website's relaunch. >> the expectation is for about 80% of those that go to the website, that it should work. you got to look at the fact that

they did take it down, again, for another 11 hours. i understand this morning it is sporadic as to whether it is working or not working. when people are logging on. >> blackburn says republicans are believe a better approach is to allow insurance companies to sell plans across state lines to increase competition and to allow consumers to have numerous choices in health insurance plans. arthel. >> molly heninburg, thank you. meanwhile, president obama taking a break from the oval office and doing some holiday shopping for small business saturday. the president and his daughters, malia and sasha, visiting washington's famous politics and prose book store. told is the fourth annual small business saturday promoting independent merchants. the president told reporters he brought books for every age group. we do have new details now

on that deadly police chopper crash that collided into a crowded pub in glasgow, scotland, killing at least eight people, injuring dozens more. the rescuers describe the scene immediately after the crash. take a listen. >> there was just people pouring out of the pub and there was just -- it does seem to be coming out of nowhere. like, almost from the ground almost. almost like a -- human chain. and there's people much deeper in the debris of the pub. trying to pass people out, you know, grab the person given to you and pass them on to the next person. >> the pub crowded because it was the eve of scotland's official national holiday st. andrew's day. scottish leaders reacted to the tragedy. >> our condolences to those who

will be bereaved and solidarity with those who have been injured. this is a black day for glasgow and for scotland, but it's also st. andrew's day and it's a day we can take pride and courage in how we respond to adversity and tragedy. and the response from emergency services and ordinary citizens has been exemplary. >> he did order the flags outside government buildings be flown at half-staff. investigators say it's too early to know why the chopper suddenly came down. >> there was another dead lie flight incident. this was involving a plane crash near a remote alaska village. st. mary's about 400 miles from anchorage. 4 of the 10 people on board are dead, including an infant boy. no word on what caused the crash. investigators arriving at the scene today.

north korean state media reporting a detained american ved ran has now apologized for alleged crimes during the korean war. state television releasing new videotape of this 85-year-old merrill newman. he was arrestled about a month ago while traveling inside the country. live in los angeles with the details. dominic. >> hey there, greg. big questions as to whether merrill newman wrote this apology actually by himself. merrill was part of the united nations career six partisan regiment back during the korean war. with the intelligence bureau. the koreans accused him of war crimes from that time. and also for acts against the state during his recent visit where he is returning to talk to perhaps or meet some of those people that he met during the korean war. in fact, during that apology, he describes how he wants to meet,

quote, surviving soldiers and pray for the souls of the dead soldiers involved in the conflict. help pl he planned to put them in touch with an association the north koreas consider an enemy of the state. during the part he wrote out of that statement, he appears to be describing some of that. take a listen. >> i asked my guide to help me look for their families and relatives living in dprk and i gave the document with their addresses and e-mail addresses to the guide in the hotel. >> well, it appears that he seems to try to reconcile himself with the korean authorities. there's a line that he actually put out in that statement. makes you wonder just what kind of conversations he'd actually had. just take a listen to this. >> on this trip, i can understand that in u.s. and western countries, there is

misleading information and propaganda about dprk. >> now, probably because of his age and the fact he's got health problems, the koreans accepting his apology. normally, they just throw them in jail and we'd just hear about a sentence they've been given. acts of repentance have certainly helped americans in north korea before in the past. back in 2009, there was a christian missionary who apologized and very soon after he was released. the families very much keeping fingers crossed. they're based here in palo alto california. they're hoping that perhaps he'll be home in time for the holidays now, christmas perhaps. >> thanks very much. the united states offering to help destroy syria's chemical weapons. the organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons says the united states could contribute destruction technology and financing to

neutralize those weapons. the organization also says that an american naval vessel undergoing modifications for the operations. that ship is the ship which will destroy the chemicals off shore. it was a crazy black friday crowd, packing stores, grabbing bargains. the first big holiday shopping weekend in full swing. were you brave enough to venture out? >> were you out there? >> no way. >> no courage. growing troubles for democrats from poor polling numbers to the disastrous rollout of obama care. can they survive the 2014 midterm election? >> they're going to be moments where things aren't going as smoothly as you want. very rarely are the good things that happen -- get the same attention as the things that aren't working as well. ♪

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time for a quick check of the headlines. john kerry putting out a videotaped message on the scrgea talks with iran over its nuclear program. a ferry in new jersey making a hard landing last night. the boat hitting the dock on the jersey side while carrying 27 people from manhattan across the hudson river. seven were taken to the hospital. millions of americans kicking off the first holiday shopping weekend. figures are not in yet but the national retail federation predicts 140 million shoppers plan to shop during the four-day holiday weekend. that began on thanksgiving.

minus arthel. >> i move on. growing trouble for president obama. his signature health care law creating a lot of backlash. his approval ratings are at record lows. listen to what he said during an interview with abc. >> i've gone up and down pretty consistently throughout. the good thing about when you're down is usually you got nowhere to go but up. >> president kind of joking there with barbara walters. democrats also apparently taking a big hit. a new poll suggesting they are losing their midterm edge. dramatic turnaround from just a few weeks ago. republicans now holding the 49 to 47% edge. let's bring in our political panel. our fox news contributor and director of outreach freedom works. and julien epstein, attorney and democratic strategist. good to see both of you. so what can the dems do to distance themselves from the president and his current tainted reputation that goes up and down of course?

but how far can they push away from their leader without coming across as disingenuous traitors? >> they're obviously running for the hills. even mary lap droe from your home state rode on the president's plane but did not attend a public event he was going to. landrieu said she would vote for obama care again if she had the opportunity. with that, 50% of her constituents think she's doing a bad job. clearly, the democrats don't want to face their constituents. i don't even think they're having town halls. maybe they're having them on the phone. even that's a controlled environment. so clearly they are backing away from obama because he's radioactive with obama care and his failures. >> and bringing this up again, democrats a month ago held an advantage among registered voters. take a look at a new cnn/orc poll. indicating the gop now holds a

49% to 47% edge, which indicates, again, a turnaround. we're talking about the battle for control of congress and next year's midterm election. julian, apart from a duck and cover approach, how would you advise the democratic party to proactively reposition themselves back into the favorable column with the voters? >> i think with all due respect you exaggerate how bad the position democrats are in right now. the democrats have been up in almost every single week of the last year on the republicans. it is only after the worst month of the obama presidency are the republicans even in a statistical tie with the democrats. that's what that is. that's a statistical tie. now, you combine that with the polling that has been done on republicans. seven in ten months do not have a favorable opinion of the republican party. nearly eight in ten americans do not have a favorable opinion of

the tea party. so while it's true obama's numbers are down and while some of that has been brought down as a result of health care, republican numbers are much worse and the polling on health care shows that it goes up and down. that's something that's easily reversible when they tell the positive story on health care. >> i understand your point. i pick it up with you, if obama -- >> a lot of spin. >> he's saying it's happening on both sides. >> i'm saying the republican numbers are worse. >> so listen to this, if obama care we're talking about now is still problematic, say, closer to midterm elections, will it be enough for the gop candidates to run campaigns about how much obama care's a disaster? or will they need to present a platform of viable options to the voters? >> i think there's a little bit of both that needs to be done. ways front and center is the failures of obama care and the democrats are the face of the failures of obama care from the

president on down. clearly, they don't want to face their constituents now. obama lies to us. he has a credibility issue and a trust issue. people don't trust president obama, including me. they don't trust anyone who backed obama care because it's failing americans. people are losing their health insurance daily today. >> i'm going to end with you. >> just to respond to that. republicans want to turn to a health care system where insurance companies can williamwilliam ic whimsically either -- >> free market, we don't want command and control -- >> can i finish? that's the policy before, insurance companies could revoke your policy or deny your coverage if they thought it was going to be bad for them financially. that's point one. point two, you did not answer the question, which is do the republicans have to have an alternative? nobody understands -- >> and -- and individuals

controlling your insurance -- >> hold on, i have to give him the last word because i'm running out of time. >> the gold standard on health care polling is kaiser. the kaiser polling has shown a lot of people that don't like the obama care plan don't like it because it isn't strong enough. when you put together people that like obama care together with the people who wanted a stronger proposal, you're up around 50%. when you ask people if they like the republican alternative, you're somewhere between 25% and 32%. if republicans want to campaign on this, be my guest. >> ja known, quickly. >> it's failing. that's what we see today. millions losing their health insurance because of government intervention. >> i got to go. i'm sorry, i know we could go on. >> i don't know what that means -- >> you don't know what that means, okay, i have to go. i appreciate you both. i think you both made really good strong clear points and i appreciate that. see you, guys.

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terrifying moments at a starbucks when a car crashed through the window, sending several people to the hospital. the accident happening in missouri. >> it just went up to the curb,

right over the building. >> the driver was not injured. no word yet on any charges. growing tensions now over china's new air defense zone. it's islands that have been controlled by japan. well, the u.s. and neighboring countries like south korea's rejecting beijing's claim flying their aircraft through the area. u.s. and japan also holding their regular joint naval exercise near the islands but now the state department is advising u.s. air carriers to comply with china's demands. this is vice president joe biden is set to visit the region next week. joining us now is former state department senior adviser kristen white. good to see you. is this the commander in chief telling, you know, armed forces to essentially stand down after controlling this area in the

south and east china sea for decades? >> well, it's a bad precedent. you know, you have china in an air space grab that's basically, you know, a step ahead of a land grab. trying to grab the seinkaku's. japanese carriers have said they're not going to play ball with beijing on this. u.s. airlines have been told they have to do what the chinese want, which is a terrible signal. it's another instance of ally betrayal by this administration. >> is it your interpretation that china sees obama as weak, and they've got three years to accomplish something? the policy doesn't exist in a vacuum. in china beijing can take a look at what just happened with iran, for example, where the administration paid $8 billion in exchange for meaningless promises from iran to halt or to slow down its nuclear program. you know, beijing sees this

administration as weak. sending b-52s through the disputed air space is better than nothing. that was an old plane, unarmed, not combat survival against a real air force, really if there's a threat to u.s. carriers then those planes need to be escorted by u.s. military aircraft. >> and the other aspect of this is that china is not skilled at no-fly zones. so, would -- what you're doing is you're setting up a real risk opportunity. or you're not? >> china's been engaging in risky behavior and this will only add to that. they've picked fights with literally all of their maritime neighbors, including -- or also india, as well. land neighbor. border dis350u9s with every single one of them. they're pushing the periphery in cyberspace against us. and this is on top of all the theft of intellectual property and defense secrets, so this is a belligerent nation undergoing a bit of a leadership transition still on the tail end of that. and all of this reckless behavior could, you know, frankly lead to something very

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hello i'm gregg jarrett glad you're with us. >> and i'm arthel neville. topping the news this hour a helicopter crashing into a crowded bar killing several people. now the search to find what caused it to go down. >> and here we go again. a critical budget deadline just weeks away. will lawmakers really reach a deal in time? or could we be headed toward yet another government shutdown? plus, we'll drink to that. huh? a behind-the-scenes look at a very special beer company where every single job is held by a u.s. veteran. but first, a new moment of truth has arrived for obama care. after a disastrous rollout, the white house is taking another shot at healthcare.gov.

>> actually today marks their self-imposed deadline for fixing all of the problems that have been plaguing the health care website ever since its launch back on october 1st. we're live in washington with more on this. ho molly, any sense yet on how the day is going? >> not really, gregg. we're expecting -- we are not expecting an update today. but tomorrow morning, yes, we are expecting an update then. the obama administration has promised americans that they'll have a better experience as of today at the healthcare.gov website. but so far no numbers on how many people are trying to logon today, and how successful they've been. the president's team's been working on this website for weeks. it was just down for 11 hours overnight for maintenance. it was only scheduled to be down for four hours but was down for 11 hours. jeffrey zients who is overseeing the website's fixes and relaunch today said earlier this week that by today, quote, the vast

majority of consumers will be able to fill out applications, shop, compare plans and enroll in the insurance plan. he went on to say we will continue to update you on metrics and user experience and our success rate as we go forward. suggesting again that we shouldn't expect any numbers today on how the relaunch is going. zients did say that he expects that the goal is for 50,000 people to be able to use the website at the same time. and that the website should be able to candle 800,000 consumer visits a day. >> 50,000 at the same time. that's it? right? 50,000? >> for today. that's the goal, yes. >> yeah, okay. what are we hearing from republicans today? anything? >> republicans say they're skeptical about some of those promises and they're waiting to see if the obama administration will live up to those promises. here's more. what they have done was to reset the expectation so many different times. they passed their legal

deadlines. they've had 22 delays. they've given 1700 waivers and people are saying, wait a minute, this is not the way it was supposed to be. >> there also is the issue of who is signing up for what. one consultant estimates that 00,000 people have enrolled in medicaid. that's taxpayer paid health insurance for the poor. compare that to only about 142,000 people who have signed up for private health insurance plans through these obama care exchanges. greg? >> molly henneberg live in washington. molly, thanks very much. >> well, gregg, critics are saying that the white house can't really afford to make any mistakes this time around. especially considering all the embarrassing moments from the initial rollout, including when the health care website crashed right in front of the secretary of health and human services. >> -- temporarily down? >> uh-oh. >> well, it's okay, it will come back. that happens every day.

>> a chief congressional correspondent for the washington examiner joins us now. hi, susan. >> hey, arthel. >> okay. so come midnight, coupled with reviews in hours and days to come, and if the healthcare.gov website still is in the disaster zone, also in the face of the sliding deadlines pertaining to the rollout, could this make it impossible for the white house to get anything done in the president's second term? or can the white house get past obama care? >> well, the president's already in trouble. if you look at his approval rating, it's really taken a hit, and those of us working on capitol hill know from talking to democrats that they're losing faith in the president. a lot of them are really stunned by how this rollout didn't go as planned. they feel a little bit betrayed by the president not just for the website glitches, which the white house is clearly working hard to resolve. but the overall plan. is it affordable? are doctors going to be accessible? there are many, many questions

about that. i feel like for the president his legacy and his authority right now are really tied to the health care law. and there are huge questions about how it's going to roll out. are people going to find these affordable plans like the president is promising? if they are, then democrats prospects will improve and they'll be more likely to work with the president. he's already limited, because he has a divided congress. he has republicans in the house, and he has democrats in the senate. so there's not a lot he can do in terms of moving big legislation. but he, at the very least, needs big support from his own democrats. he will lose that big time. and where will he lose it? on this health care law. you'll see more clamoring by democrats in the senate to move legislation that will either delay it, or amend it in some way, that will undermine the law in the end. the president wants to avoid that very, very much. but he won't be able to if the glitches don't really get significantly resolved and if people can't get on that website and find a health care plan that they can actually afford, where they have access to the doctors they want, but which makes them happy. and so far that's a big question

mark. >> we'll find out the answers soon. meantime, another budget showdown is looming on capitol hill. budget. so congress has just until december 13th to pass a new budget. susan, as you well know, and while back room talks led by congress members bill manchin, susan collins, are reportedly under way, there is little hope on the hill that lawmakers can come to an agreement in time. so i ask you, can we expect a grand bargain, or a mini deal? >> i think we're looking at a much smaller deal arthel. because, as you say, there are some folks talking just in case they can't strike a deal. but i think what's going to happen, the budget conferrees who are negotiating right now are going to get rid of this idea of a grand bargain, while reforming medicare and doing the tax code over completely. there's not enough time and there's not political will to do it. the gap is just too wide philosophically between the republicans and democrats. they have less than two weeks. so what they're going to aim for, what members are telling me, the smaller deal, maybe a

top-line number for 2014, and 2015 at best, where they set the budget figure just for this little two-year period. they don't have to negotiate something much bigger. but what they will do is try to replace some of these unpopular sequester cuts through domestic and military spending. they'll divide it evenly and they'll get the money through some key increases in the government. they'll avoid tax increases because republicans won't go along with that without the entitlement reforms that democrats aren't going to agree to. it's going to be a mini deal that they carve out with just a much smaller -- smaller elements here. there's no guarantee they'll get that. but it's much more likely if they aim for small. >> for small. you already said the president's approval ratings took a hit over obama care. congress, their approval rate something 10%, and you've got all 435 members of the house up for re-election in the 2014 midterm, 35 senate sees up for re-election, 21 democrats, and then you have 14 republicans.

so final question for you, susan, is how much will this factor into those budget nego and the goal of getting something accomplished that would be satisfactory to the people? >> yes, the number one goal here will be republicans not being blamed for a government shutdown. so in some ways it gives democrats some leverage. but with the real problems with the health care law, republicans are on much better footing than they were in october after the government shutdown but that is going to be overhanging everything as you say, the elections, people don't want to be looking like they're shutting the government down by being obstructionist so you're going to see both sides working to the to strike a deal by that either get a number by december 15th and have a deal together by january 15th, which is when that temporary funding bill expires. i think both sides are quite eager to accomplish that, because as you say, their ratings are so low with the public they're just not going to tolerate another government shutdown.

>> susan thank you very much. good to see you on this holiday saturday. >> thank you. >> well a violent government crackdown in ukraine as police and protesters clash in the country's capital. demonstrators angry over the government's refusal to sign a pro-european union agreement. ed u.s. state department issues a statement saying, quote, the united states condemns the violence by authorities against peaceful demonstrators in kiev. today we urge ukraine's leaders to respect their right to freedom of expression. and assembly. and new video of violent clashes in egypt. security forces there firing tear gas to disburse anti-government protesters, demonstrators throwing rocks and stones as you see here in these photos, this video. supporters of ousted president mohamed morsi angry over the government's new law restricting street demonstrations. >> after yesterday's black

friday madness, shoppers are being urged now to head out today and shop locally for small business saturday. our own laura engel is live in downtown manhattan with more on that. hi, laura. >> hi, gregg. yes, we are here in the east village and the small business saturday movement has certainly gained momentum over the last few years through word of mouth and a lot of help through social media. we're here in this toy store which is seeing a lot of business today. the idea for small business saturday is to get consumers spending at their local mom and pop brick and mortar businesses, which may not have the big budget advertising dollars you see from big box stores which tend to do well the weekend after thanksgiving. now small business saturday has provided a boost for businesses over the last four years. it started in 2010. and last year nearly 70 million people shopped small in their communities on this day for an estimated $5.5 billion in sales.

pam who owns dinosaur hill toys echoes the hopes of many that this day will see customers coming back for more. >> i want people to know that small business saturday translates into small business everyday. and remember to come to small businesses when they shop. >> the small business administration reports there are over 28 million small businesses across the u.s. and that half of working americans either own or work for a small business. so clearly this is a huge day for many mom and pop shops and thankfully for them as we have seen today customers are happy to take part. while black party is for big box stores, cyber monday for online shopping, small business saturday is all about today and about you, the customer, and the conseouler at home getting out and supporting your local community. flex that wallet. flex your muscles, today is the day your local shops need it. >> your wallet is thicker than

mine so i'll rely on you. but thanks so much laura inkle for that. you know, i'm a big supporter of local business. i love to shop in my community where i live. because i really want -- i want those shops to continue. >> i agree with you on that. >> i want them to succeed. >> yes, i agree with that. meanwhile, did you get into the black friday madness yourself? >> i was -- >> yes or no, black friday, did you go out? >> no, i went ahead of time. i beat the crowds. >> you did not go black friday. don't griff me a hard time. >> it's nice classes, though. do they match all your dresses? >> coming up a sit legislator is now trying to create a new law after a unique rock formation was toppled by some boy scout leaders. our legal panel will debate whether this is a viable idea. [ male announcer ] this is george.

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welcome back. time for a quick check of the headlines. a flight attendant for united airlines now recovering after a plane was forced to make an abrupt stop on the runway. it happened while taxiing at washington's dulles international airport. spokesperson says the pilot was trying to avoid crashing into a vehicle that was on the runway. two dozen people, including several children visiting a las vegas casino also recovering after coming down with a flu-like symptoms. unclear what caused them to get sick. officials say majority of those who fell ill were all part of the same youth football league. and today marks the official end of the 2013 atlantic hurricane season. forecasters say it was one of the slowest on record. just one storm, tropical storm andrea, made landfall in the united states.

new details on the deadly police chopper crash that collided in to a crowded pub in glasgow, scotland. at least eight people are dead, dozens more injured, and crews today are searching for survivors. now, the pub was especially crowded because it was the eve of scotland's official national holiday, saint andrew's day. and joining us on the phone now, becky johnson of sky news. betsy is at the glasgow royal infirmary where 14 of the injured victims were transported. so becky, give us the details as far as you know? >> well, we have an update from the official just in the last couple of hours. we know that in the initial aftermath of this clash, 32 people were taken to hospital. we're told that 18 of them were treated. they've now left hospital but we're told 14 still in a serious condition. we're not being told very much more than that except that we know that their injuries are

mainly head injuries, spinal injuries, and fractures. so as you say, eight people confirmed dead. but also, the authorities this evening saying that until that helicopter is moved from inside that pub, they can't confirm how many people possibly bodies may still be inside. so there's really a tragic day for the people of glasgow. around this hospital tonight, where i am, a real sort of somber mood. and that's the mood across the city. i've seen people just walking around in tears, as the news that eight people were dead confirmed. you have to remember, of course, the investigation is being led by police scotland, the major police force here in glasgow, and it was, of course, two police officers who were on board that helicopter that crashed into the pub that are now confirmed as two of the people who died. the number of people leading this investigation have lost in some cases, and in other places colleagues. so really tragic day for the

people of glasgow here today, and of course we still don't know the full extent of this until that helicopter can be lifted out of the pub, at which doesn't look likely to happen today, more likely tomorrow as it's already late in the evening here in scotland. >> right. and becky, of course it's a somber mood there went from a celebration to just outright chaos. unfortunately, and i know you mentioned that there are people walking around there at the infirmary where you're located. what about the families of the victims. have they been able to get some information as to how their loved ones are doing and the condition there? >> we did speak to one man who -- whose father was in the pub last night, apparently he's a regular in that pub, and he hasn't been able to contact him, his phone he keeps ringing it, it keeps going to voicemail, and he fears now, obviously nearly 24 hours since this crash that his father may well have died but he's had no official confirmation of that. so really terrible situation for

that family. and of course, like i say, until that helicopter is moved there will be many families still just really anxiously waiting for news. we're told by police that this is still a rescue operation, not just the recovery offer, in which it might be a glimmer of hope that even if there are people trapped in there, they may still be alive, but obviously as the hours go by, that hope is fading, and i think the fact that we're being told very little about the condition, that they're in hospital, i think it's possibly a sign that either their families have yet to be informed, or that perhaps their injuries are potentially life threatening. so, as i say, this tragedy could potentially get worse for people as they hear news as the missing hours go by. >> it's news you hate to hear and news you hate to report. i do appreciate the update. becky johnson of sky news.

a district judge telling colorado sheriffs that they cannot sue over new gun control laws because they're a group of elected officials, thus they don't have standing. this halting a lawsuit that 64 sheriffs filed to overturn laws that went into effect july 1st limiting the size of ammunition magazines, requiring universal background checks to break it all down for us attorneys keisha heaven and robert shauk. robert, let me start with you. i mean the judge saying you don't have standing because, that means essentially, you're not affected by it. well, i can't think of anything more affected than sheriffs at the opposite end of a barrel of a gun with limited ammo. >> right. i mean it's a total cop-out by the judge. i mean she didn't throw it out because they're saying now you can go after it as individuals which some will likely do.

but this puts law enforcement in danger. you can pass the legislation just don't make it apply to law enforcement. they did it here in new york. it doesn't apply to police departments. why are we allowing there to be restrictions, where other individuals can even get around these new limitations, and stock their magazines with more bullets than the law is going to, you know, require, and the police officers are going to be the only ones with the required amount in their magazines. it directly affects their ability to fight crimes. >> does it make sense to you? >> you know what, gregg, it does because what i think the sheriffs need to do is show how it affects their job. how it affects their ability to likely carry out their job. and if they need these extra ammunition magazines or whatever, then fine, maybe the legislation can be amended -- >> they're being outgunned, everybody knows that. you just open the newspaper every day and read about police officers, who are being outgunned by all these guys with basically with machine guns. >> but it's rare that you hear of these standoffs where the police have to, you know, shoot

more than however many rounds are in a normal magazine. so i guess what law enforcement is saying. my husband's law enforcement. but i understand that this law has a bigger purpose and it's to protect the citizens. there's a reason why they're limiting the size of the magazine. >> that's the funny thing, the whole idea of them limiting the magazines protects the citizens. to me this is kind of the piecemeal or the legislation that is attempting to limit second amendment right the but in the end, to me, again, the 99% of people who are lawful, registered gun owners are the people who are being affected. someone can come into their house with an illegally manufacturing gun, it's affecting them, it's affecting law enforcement. there's no reason for it. we're both former prosecutors defense attorneys. if a bad guy wants to get a gun, they're going to get a gun. >> the difference is law enforcement officers are trained to have a more effective shot. they may not need to have 15 rounds.

they may be able to do whatever they want to do. >> not sure i want to rely on my aim ability. >> they have to train every year. >> yeah, of course. i want to hit another legal topic with both of you if you would. remember the two former boy scouts who were accused of toppling over a unique rock formation in utah? i think we have some video of that. well in so you know here they are and they're doing this, and there really wasn't much in the way of prosecution, as a consequence. now a state lawmaker wants to make desecration of utah's natural geological wonders punishable by prison and a very heavy fine, sort of a fear of god law. keisha, what do you think of that? >> i think that's a bit, extreme and i understand the reason for wanting to protect these wonders, natural wonders. but the reality is how can you put a damage amount on someone knocking over a boulder or a

rong, so to speak. i think what needs to be done is the law enforcement need to patrol those areas better to stop use or people who want to -- >> cost taxpayers more money in other words. >> they need to do their job or something. >> you've -- hey there are a lot of natural wonders in utah. you're right. but i just think it's extreme about >> if they want to pass it where before we go for it. that's the biggest issue. they're celebrating. they're dancing around on top of it. >> having a great time. >> right now there's nothing on the books other than your general vandalism statutes. and you prosecute them to the fullest extent. >> zero consequences. >> but the only other thing they could possibly do is pass something and grandfather them in. then it's prosecution. i have an issue with that, just passing something to prosecute these guys. you want to pass something down the road to protect the rocks,

do it. i'm all for it. whatever penalty you want, jail, probation, fine. to go after these guys is a waste of time. >> normally the consequences is some kind of fine, community service or restitution. how do you determine what's old to society for knocking over this rock? >> hard to determine what's really treasured. >> right. >> okay, good to see you both. >> thank you. >> art? >> gregg, good job. president obama expressing confidence in the future of the nation's new health care law but will the new website fix be enough to convince americans? >> do you like beer? do you support our veterans. our floor director joel does both. >> wow. >> the first one i believe -- a lot. you know. one company is making sure that both go hand in hand. >> the private sector careerwise

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welcome back. it is bottom of the hour. time for top of the news. investigators arriving at the scene of a plane crash in st. mary's, alaska. four of the ten people on board were killed, including an infant boy. no word on what caused the crash. president obama doing his part for a small business saturday with daughters sasha and malia. going to d.c.'s politics and prose bookstore, purchasing books, including "the kite runner," "harold and the purple crayon." >> china cracking down on its new air defense zone. requesting all aircraft to file flight plans and identify themselves in order to monitor u.s. and japanese planes in the east china sea.

and it is stirring diplomatic concerns for the u.s., as vice president joe biden prepares to visit the region next week. and with the obama care website rollout redoes unfolding, president obama expressing confidence in the future of the affordable care act to barbara walters. in a recent interview. but critics on capitol hill and far outside the beltway say he's got a long road ahead before convincing americans that his signature legislation is working. chief washington correspondent james rosen has this report. >> arthel, from washington where for president obama the semiofficial relaunch of obama care 2.0 could prove a decisive point in his second term. the latest fox news poll conducted just before november 14th when president obama issued the hour long mea culpa for the disastrous rollout find 55% of registered voters disapproving

of the chief executive's job performance. the president oft repeated promise, if you like your health plan you can keep it, fully half of all registered voters now believe mr. obama knowingly lied. 4 in 10 believe he didn't know that promise would turn out to be untrue. only 1% think he was exaggerating and 9% don't know what to think. and of the presidency policy, 38% of register voters regard it as sincere but 58% nearly six in ten believe it was proffered for political reasons. the president sat this week for that excruciating exercise known as the barbara walters interview wherein mr. obama was confronted with the fact as walters put it, quote, people just don't think you're trustworthy. >> i got re-elected. in part because people did think i was trustworthy and they knew i was working on their behalf. i think the bottom line is, barbara, that i don't know any president who hasn't gone through certain periods during their presidency. >> very rarely the president added in that interview do the good things that happen get the

same attention as the things that aren't working as well. arthel? >> all righty, james rosen chief washington correspondent thank you much, james. do you support our brave veterans and do you like beer? well, here's the story for you with the unemployment rate among our veterans off the charts right now. a new company is doing something about it with beer. that's right. this business, started by vets, aims not just to sell some bruschis, but also to help more vets get jobs. mike tobin has this report from chicago. >> would you like to try? >> reporter: a brand ambassador trying to get you to sample veteran beer. >> i'm a wounded veteran. i got injured in iraq. >> reporter: the unemployment rate for vets is 20%. disabled vets like daniel 88%. and that prompted retired navy pilot paul jenkins to come up with a company that enables not just the disabled, but everyone who serves. >> that was the idea. just come up with a company that

could employ as many veterans as possible as quickly as possible. >> and beer is the pathway to employment. blond bomber'll and veteran lagger. every employee from the blue master in minnesota to the delivery guy, served. jenkins hopes to send a message to other pliers. >> i want the private sector to realize that the u.s. military veteran is the greatest human resource in his country. >> reporter: he hopes to send a message to other vets. >> we're going to bring those guys out of that slump that they may be in after serving hard time in the military, being injured or beings can abled. >> reporter: a key indicator of the beer is good repeat orders and they're getting them. this year the breakout year is short so they'll only sell about 500 cases of beer. next year some 200,000 cases of that magical golden elixir, that helps guys. mike tobin, fox news. >> mike says the blond bomber,

the pale aisle, it's absolutely wonderful. >> i like the blond bomber. >> yeah, yeah. >> and with or without beer, no, huh? doesn't matter. >> no matter what. >> okay. i thought so. all right, here you go. the dream of a nation fulfilled. it has been 40 years since man last walked on moon and fox has an incredible story tonight. listen to the inside stories from some of the men and there were only 12 who left their footprints there. >> america's challenge of today has forged man's destiny of tomorrow. >> we were the last human beings to touch that surface. how does that make you feel? >> humbled. >> we leave as we came, and god willing as we shall return. with peace, and hope for all

mankind. godspeed to the crew of apollo 17. >> i'm convinced that the space program will come back. the country needs to have something to look forward to. to look up to. to be proud of. look how far we went in 70 years. my grandmother on a farm in michigan had a ringing telephone, no electricity, an outhouse, and she watched the first guy walk on the moon. >> hmm. and you can watch that entire broadcast on fox news reporting fly me to the moon hosted by our very own neil cavuto airing tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern. >> you know i grew up in the '60s and it was so exciting and spectacular to watch that unfold. all of that. >> and even today when you see the footage, you get goose bumps. >> yeah, yeah, you really do. what an accomplishment.

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the big ohio state/michigan game is over. it just finished moments ago. ohio state won 42-41. michigan went for the double and didn't get it at the end. governor john kasich has declared today scarlet letter saturday in ohio banning the use of the letter "m" all day today. in fact, he signed a resolution yesterday. so i'll be talking to the governor about the rule and we, as i mentioned, did find out that ohio state won 42-41. so there may be something to that. meanwhile millions of americans are expected to logon to cyber monday, in search of the hottest holiday deals. many just hoping to avoid

violence in-store scenes like this one so many folks are avoiding the mall and altogether they're just going to say you know what? forget this. i'm going to do my stuff online. there are deals galore to be found there. and listen to this, amazon has even struck a deal with the u.s. postal service to offer sunday delivery in los angeles and new york city. now next year that's supposed to expand to cities across the country. michael seymour is the president of uni private wealth strategies. good to see you. >> hello, thank you for having me. >> of course. let's talk a little bit more about this amazon postal deal. it's a five-year contract. as we said, delivery has already begun in los angeles, and new york. and then they're intending to roll it out in houston, dallas, phoenix, new orleans, and some other cities next year. so, either side, by the way, can terminate the contract with a 30-day notice. and michael in london amazon is

using its own trucks to deliver on sundays. so, basically amazon is testing, these two approaches. so i ask you, will it prove to be a success? and a great template for others to follow? or are there potential land mines that could blow this agreement right out of the water? >> well, you know, i think it's a very big deal number one for both sides for amazon and the usps. you know, you can trust amazon is really the global preimminent or dominant online retailer and i think they're looking for ways to number one provide something that's unique that others don't have. to certainly provide a better shopping experience for their customers, and also, you know, one of the things that a big strategic initiative for amazon is their amazon prime. which, if memory serves me correctly i believe people in the u.s. we pay $79 a year and we can avail ourselves of free two-day shipping and things like that. they may be looking for ways to drive some of their costs out of

the shipping, and still provide a better experience. so, what are the pitfalls? well, it's new. you know, the post office really isn't used to delivering on sunday. will it be your usual courier or somebody who doesn't know the route? so i think it's wise -- you know you don't know. and i think it's wise that both sides have an opportunity if it doesn't work out to change things or terminate the deal. >> we started out by talking about cyber monday and how a lot of people are trying to avoid the chaos at the malls. you have, michael, first tips on using your e-mail and free shipping? >> well i think you know at the end of the day, i think this really arthel this holiday season, as you know, thanksgiving fell a little later in the year than it did last year. and this year it was late. so you have the retailers have a shorter shopping season in order to make their numbers. that normally favors us. so i think we've already seen, i know my inbox was chock full of

e-mails from everybody -- >> -- deals right, that's what's going on? >> they're sending you the deals. they are sending the deals to you. you know, at the end of the day a lot of people think the best deals happen late in the season. i don't really agree with that. you check your inbox and you look at it, you know, a lot of times during the year we get so many that you don't pay attention to them. i think it's time to start clicking on some of them, because most of these deals that you see are probably for one, two, three days tops. you might want to take a look at them and see if there's something there for you. >> we've been rolling some of the tips there on-screen as you were talking including check your credit card points. you might be able to get some purchases there. and make sure items are in stock. also, of course, have a budget. just talk about some of the tips that people should keep in mind once they start clicking away come monday, michael? >> you know when you start shopping online, look. it's not new for a lot of people. it's just a lot of simple common sense. if you see a deal that's too

good to be true, some hot item that's 50% off. you know, chances are you're going to be very disappointed. don't send cash. if somebody sends you an e-mail and you've got to pay for it and they want cash or a money order, you know, just pass on that. don't e-mail your personal information most companies have what's known as a security website. that we're used to filling in. and putting in your information. so let's just be careful. like you would. i think that's the most common sense is to be careful. if it looks too good to be true, it is. but like everything else, a lot of homework in advance can save you some money. and some heartache. >> all right. we've got to run there. but we appreciate those tips. michael seymour, thanks. >> happy holidays. >> you, too. >> it is the moment of truth for obama care the website. earlier this month, four experts testified on capitol hill that it wasn't ready for prime-time. you think?

is it running as the administration promised, and is it secure? we're going to ask an expert, next.

. well today marks the obama administration's self-imposed

deadline to fix all the problems on healthcare.gov. the white house says it's "on track" working its way to supposed success, but critics are very skeptical especially after a team of technology experts told congress not ready for prime time. >> would any of you have launched healthcare.gov, recommended the launch, given the factual known status of the website on october 1st? >> no. >> no. >> no. >> no. >> in your opinion, do any of you think the site will be secure on november 30th? >> no. >> no. >> no. >> no. >> didn't even hesitate. morgan wright joins us a cyber security analyst. they're right about that, right? it's broken and you are at risk if you go on it. >> that was our opinion that day

during congress and actually, greg, even in their own words one of the memorandumss issued y cms by the cio who signed off on the authorization signed off on a finding that the threat and risk potential is limitless and gave cms until may 31st, 2014, to fix it. right now, that threat and risk potential is still limitless on november 30th. >> how can this be, morgan? i mean, with all the money that was spent on this thing, taxpayer money, how could it be that this thing is so flawed? >> greg, i would say two things. number one we this go fever. this is the lesson they learned from the "challenger" launch, the o rings. people were so fixed this would launch no matter what and the second problem is lack of accountability and leadership. no one person with an overall charge, was in overall charge of this. they waited to put a captain on

the ship after the titanic hit the iceberg. you have to have someone with responsibility, accountability and authority to make changes and there were too many turf battles going on for that to happen. >> they didn't have the bandwidth to handle the demand and now they're bragging oh, gee, 50,000 people will be able to get on to the website at one time. 50,000, come on, man, there are 48 million uninsured americans. >> put it in perspective, that this healthcare.gov has 500 million lines of code and can handle maybe 50,000 people. facebook handles 227 million daily active users. you can do the math. >> morgan wright, thanks so much for being with us, good to talk to you. thanks so much. >> good to talk to you, see you. >> that does it for us, stick around, though, "a healthy you" and carol alt coming up next, it's right now. >> i'll see you back here in

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welcome to "healthy you." i'm carol alt. the liver, it's the seed of anger, that pesky organ that xwets sclerosis when we drink too much alcohol. do you know where it is in the body? an unhealthy liver could be causing you to be overweight. that's right. today we explore several options for help keeping you healthy and fit and a lot of them to do with the liver. first stop, lately a fight raged between the experts who say we should work out lorng and hard and the experts who say five minutes at a time is what we need. i'll propose a truth. here with me is tony