and also nominated peyton and my money is on jack. >> even though i am a peyton fan. >> keep us updated. america's nows headquarters starts right now. my money on camerota. >> thank you. >> back in the hot society she goes. kathleen sebelius offers a progress report on obama care. i am bill hemmer. >> and i am allyson camerota. enrollment numbers are in. one- third of the amount of enrollees expected by now. >> knowing what you know today you would have started it on october 1st? >> i would have done a slower launch with fewer people and done additional beta testing. >> who is going to guarantee that the doctor sos that patient on january 4th is covered for

that visit? are you going to? >> as they do today. you are enroll nothing a private insurance plan. >> what if the patient doesn't make the premium paymentment and they never write the check. >> then they are not covered. >> this whole idea of the president saying if you like it you can cope it. the president didn't say if you had a lousy health insurance policy that didn't cover everything, that he was suggesting that insurance companies continue to sell it and therefore you buy it. >> you cannot say as you have numerous times that it these preventative care services are "free of charge." can you? >> they are fro to the consumer. >> there is no free lunch madam secretary. >> they are and asking the questions. >> good to be with you, alisyn.

>> what did you learn today? >> unfortunately a lot of more of the questions that we go into, now i have more questions. we rrnt getting reassurances of how come january 1st, all of this will be paid for. the secretary took the opportunity to put the ownership on the insurance companies for who will be paying for these things. will our doctors be paid or coverage for the individuals who think they have purchased health care plans. as you pointed out, we have a couple hundred thousand that enrolled in coverage and yet we have 5 million who had health care plans cancelled. this is, the numbers don't add up. >> i want to get to the numbers. secretary sebelius testified as of november 30th. 365,000 people selected a plan. do you know exactly what that means? are they fully enrolled and have

they paid money? >> no, that's the point. as she pointed out and as my colleague was asking plainly, if these first payments haven't been made, then there that means there is no coverage. who is insuring that? we have opened up another question and other gray area essentially where this is concerned. we end up walking away from the hearings with the secretary with more questions than answers. >> it is not supposed to work that way. how do you go from here? if you can't get the answers from secretary sebelius who is spearheading it, what do you do? >> we stay on this. we highlight the constituent's situation. i have a mother of two whose health coverage is going up 4,000 a year and she makes

40,000 a year. the best christmas present we can give the american people is delay of obama care and give them assurance for my constituent with two children, she doesn't know how they will have christmas. >> is there any groundswell of support for that? we hear republicans talking about delay of obama care and it is already in place? >> exactly we just delay it for a year to work these things out. we continuously ask the questions. i asked her plainly, you know, the president said if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor, period. are you going to reassure the american people they can keep their doctor, she couldn't do that. this is not good for america. this is very bad for health care and not good for the economy. and we've got to come up with a answer here, we have passed that legislation to cope your

health care plan if you like it and to delay. >> congresswoman, thank you for your take on today's hearings. >> thank you, alisyn. >> we found out secretary sebelius will ask for a inspector general to look into the delay of roll out of healthcare.gov. chris wallace is here on. that chris, good day to you. i guess better late than ever. what do you think of the ig move? >> it is a classic washington move is what i think, bill. we have seen it in the white house before and other presidents as well. and seeing with kathleen sebelius, when you get in trouble you announce an investigation and hide behind that and we have the ig investigating it. >> is that a way. >> it is a way to delay. >> is that a way to not answer questions, is that age old

tactic? >> you have to answer it and i am concerned about it. and i have a independent person investigating it and see what they come up with. and remember the accountablity review board on benghazi. that is the same thing. 365,000 signed up. and not enrolled but spent money and signed up and they expected in the end of november 1.2 million. and bite end of december 3.3 million. and they are 25 percent on the sign up list. >> yeah, wow are they behind. >> i would say this, obviously you are talking about the first two months when the website didn't work. by all accounts it is working better and traffic is way up. in the end, they will get the website working properly.

i have not much a question about that. i have questions and they are similar to the ones that the congressman were asking kathleen sebelius, one coverage, the front end and signing up part of it is going to work, sooner than later, but are they going to have the money to transfer the payments and so come january 1st, you will actually have coverage and another issue. if you like your doctor you can cope your doctor. a lot of plans that obama care offered and we had the question with dr. ezekia l emmanuemmanue they are writing out the hospitals and doctors. you may have to find a new one. >> and pay more, too chris, it is revealing and we played the clip. you asked him is it true or not. and you had to repeat yourself over again. i haven't talked to you until

now about that. he conceded, yes, you can keep your doctor, you may have to pay more, but keep that doctor. >> that is the fine print and the president didn't tell us there was fine print. he said you can keep your doctor period. and end of sentence and fine print. but you may have to go out of network and pay a lot more. and we are finding out when the premium is low, the deductible is huge. look, if you don't have a lot of money and heard from congresswoman elmers and you have a 3 or 4 or 5,000 deductible. you have to pay that before you get a cent of coverage. that doesn't help you out of pocket. >> i don't know if you saw it in the wall street journal polling, among those without insurance, back in september quoted the polling only 34 percent disapproved of obama care and

that number today is well over half and 50 percent. i don't know what it suggests to you. people are on the website are asking questions and discovering deductible charges and find out the doctors and networks are limited and that number goes high with the disapproval of obama care. i don't know how that changes in the new year? >> they have to get the system working better if it is going to work better. what i think, those people and obama care in general is mugged by reality. that the reality doesn't meet up with the promises that were made whether it is about coverage or doctors and you know, about deductibles and premiums and people are learning that the promises that were made before obama care was launched is not what their experience is going to be. they are going to have to fix this or this is gn going to be a continuing problem and scandal

before the election. >> chris, it is great to see you. see you on friday and sunday. chris wallace. >> and there is another obama care hearing on the hill in addition to sebelius one. the impact on small businesses. we expect to learn more about on line enrollment for small business owners for one year. >> and new poll numbers hurting the president politically now. more americans than ever disapprove of the job that the president is doing. that is a high mark for the polling, 54 percent and 43 percent approve. and in the university poll. and pen percent disapprove and only 38 percent approve in the poll as well. we'll delve in those numbers and what it means for the democrats. we have a fair and balanced debate for you a head. >> and the police forces not

solid on what happened in the kenyan gunman attack and why it may not be over. >> negotiators in the house and senate reached a bipartisan deal. not all republicans are on board. congressman paul ryan is challenged. >> i haven't talked to marco about it. i expect some people may vote against it for political reasons and he has his reasons. in the minority you don't have to pass things. that is a luxury or not that people have in the senate. marco is a good friend of mine. i wish he would support it but if he doesn't, that's fine.

stuping remark on the nypd on the kenyan mall attack suggesting that four gun men involved in the massacre and all four may have escaped as well. the kenyan gun men claimed that 10-15 dpun men left civilians

dead. that is critical with the response by kenyan police and armed forces. >> it is a deal that cuts deficit without raising taxes. our members were worried about the defense cuts. we are stopping the military from getting cut further and stop spending on reports that are not touched by congress. we'll make sure there is no tax increases and lower the deficit versus doing nothing. >> congressman ryan sounding optimistic. it is the first deal in years. the agreement is facing opposition from the conservative members of his own party. congressman domer is here to talk about it. >> hi, alisyn. >> how dow feel about the budget deal? >> i appreciate so much paul's great work.

he obviously has a thankless task before him. he is competent. >> but? >> but, well, the problem is when the budget control act was passed, i was not for it and i didn't think sequesters were a good way to make cut and it is military should not have been decimated the way it was in the bill, but it made cuts for a change and what we were told then, alisyn. that this is a starting point and not only a start to bringing down our growth of government, but it would actually be the starting point and we could continue to cut in future years and we have seen, we held together here for a while, and now, this bill on average we are told will cut 23 billion over ten years and most of that in the out years and not this year.

and if you look at that from the stand point on the average of 2.3 billion, i would say. $3 trillion budget, you are talking about oh, good. we'll save 2 or 3,000 of the dollars. what are you saying it didn't go far enough for you? >> it is not a matter of how far it goes. it is a matter of preserving the minimal over all cuts that were made before that we were told to e that we were to build on. and one of my concerns, and i am sure it is a selling point for the democrats. we are trying to bust the sequestration cuts. and military shouldn't take the biggest cut. they are cut dramatically. but for democrats, this gets the republicans to give up on the little bit of cuts they have

already made. and once we do the bill, republicans can never again say, well, we can't go back on the sequestration cuts on that level again. we'll never be able to stand there. basically, it is the old discussion of gee, what do you think i am? a prostitute. we are negotiating and that's where it is. >> you are saying you would prefer another government shutdown over agreeing with this bill? >> no, i don't want a shutdown at all. and once people take an objective look. at what happened. we compromised over and over. and here are the negotiators and you appoint yours harry reid. and he wanted a shutdown and he got a shutdown and it didn't appear as good as he thought it did. we want to negotiate and we agreed on the sequestration cuts and agreed on that level. i am okay with moving things a

round. that is a great thing and move it a round and be more wise in where we make the cuts, but to do away with those cuts that were this year and the only year we can count on, that's not where we should be going. >> the problem, congressman, paul riap widely considered the budget hawk and wonk of congress. he spent two years spearheading this and what he came up with, is not good enough where do you go from here? >> we proposed other alternative budgets to the ryan budget. i think 26 years was too long to wait to get a balanced budget. and keep in mind alisyn. this is the budget and doesn't appropriate money. and once it passes, you still have to get an appropriations bill passed before january 15th

to avoid the shutdown. and once you compromised on your principle and making meaningful cuts was a wise principle and doing away with the cuts this it year and hoping for them in out years is a good way to go. i am still willing to compromise. there are things we can compromise and accomplish. but it needs to be a real two- way street and not have the democrats say let's bust the sequestration caps that we had already agreed to. that is not a good compromise when you are talking about young people coming up and trillions of debt already and adding trillions more by the time they have to pay for it all. it is not right or moral. >> congressman geomers always great to it have your perspective on this. >> and see if it passes real soon. congress is trying to stay within its budget. we want to know, camerota. >> are you staying in your budget this christmas?

>> is that me or you. >> send me's tweet. >> and we'll read them later in the program? >> we shall and he is holy and humbled and bestowed a brand new honor. >> called a miracle in the mountains. a missing family found alive and how they survived in sub0 weather. >> i was expecting the worst and when i came around the corner and counted all six of them standing there nice and warm. >> where were they? >> right with the jeep. >> where was the jeep? >> above the mine. >> what did they do to stay warm and survive those two nights?

the person of the year. >> it is pope francis.

look at the cover. this is the illustration of the people's pope as he's called. he has reignited the faith of millions in the church. this is the third time time as chosen a pope as person of the year. they are more controversial and everyone bristles and this is one that people like. >> you were not going for the whole edsnowden thing? >> exactly. >> and a family with a survival story to tell. missing for two night. sub0 temperatures in the middle of the nevada wilderness. williams has the story. >> reporter: bill, it is great to tell a store tore with a happy ending. this exceeded everyone's expectation. two nights in below 0 temperatures. two adults and four children age

from 3 to 10 years old arrived in the hospital in good medical condition. their jeep had rolled over on subpoena. the first thing that the father did was burned a tire and dropped hot rocks in the jeep to stay warm. they searched for the family and yesterday around noon they were found as what many are calling a miracle in the mountains. >> it was of a lot of people in the community. this community came together and, and helped this, this come to a successful conclusion. snieshgs they picked up a ping from one of the cell phones and a volunteer on the ground spotted them with binocullars

and they converged on the family. they were not optimistic because cold like that can lead to unconsciousness and death but they are in good health. >> the father got a fire going immediately as son as they had a roll over accident. and they stayed with the vehicle and everybody is looking really, really good. >> the search covered 6,000 square miles and in the end they were found 15 miles outside of town, bill. they will be released later today and they may or may not talk to the media. >> thank goodness. >> what a miracle, if i was stranded i would want to be with that it dad. >> burn the tire, pops. >> we are digging doper in the obama care enrollment numbers and why the number of americans signed up are a fair croi of what they need to be. >> the obama care is dragging

down the approval rating for the white house to record lows. will he be able to win back trust and credibility. >> my constituents expressed to me they feel they were lied to from the administration about the real affects of the law.

>> let's look at your head lines, the pilot of the plane that crashed in san francisco

was concerned about the landing, that's according to a new report. >> and appearing before a senate committee about the agency spying scandal. there is calls for the nation's intel chief james clapper to step down after allegations he lied to congress. sdmshgs cast of duck dynasty teaming up with general in afgh they are on a tour performing for station members. >> ask him if he shaves while he is there. >> the general put on one of the duck dynasty beards. >> that is a good luck. >> on you? >> on anyone? >> i am on the fence. i would like to see you try it? >> i am on the fence, too. >> october the a p reported that a september 5th memo enlisted

monthly enrollment charges. the target enrollment number for the end of december is 3.3 million. based on hss's release this morning, your department is 3 million off of the target numbers, is that correct? >> through the end of november, that is correct, sir. >> secretary sebelius admitting the enrollment numbers are far from where they need to be. we do not know if they enrolled or paid money. those answers are elusive. and david asbin, how are you doing? >> i am doing great. >> we don't know if they paid money, correct? >> we don't. ine take her numbers as accurate. she never admitted that they fell about 90 percent off of their target before. that is an incredible failure rate. a 90 percent. any business in the world would be out of business in a new york

minute if they had a 90 percent failure rate. but look at the 300,000 that did sign on, it is important to know what kind of people did sign on to this. it is more likely that they are the people who need insurance because they are sick. healthy people are not the ones that scrambled in a hurry to get insurance if they don't need it. it is the people that cost more than they contribute will be signing on. if that model continues, that puts an insurance company out of business. they have to rely people who put more in to a insurance program than get out of it. >> but look at the markers. 1.2 million. far from that and in december throw.3 million and that is triple the enrollment number and by the end of march 7 million. and david, if you get the website really functioning on

a high level whether or not those numbers change, in a way that well, they come close to the target numbers. >> the problem is, bill, they are damned if they do and don't. and if they don't make the target numbers politically is a disaster for the president and hard for obama care to go forward. if they make the numbers people signing up in the front end of the system will lose money for the exchanges. that means more bail outs from taxpayers and this is important to point out. sebelius talked about 300,000 that did sign on to the exchanges. 367,000 who signed on in the past two months. but she didn't talk about the 800,000 people who signed on to medicaid and chip program and children's health insurance plan. they signed on as well. that is an extraordinary extra cost to taxpayers not only

federal taxpayers but states. states are spending 34 percent of the budget on medicaid and more people sign on to medicaid because of obama care, they will not only cost the taxpayers more money in the federal level, but may make states go bankrupt because they will not be able to keep up with the extra medicaid patients. >> at least we have a semihard number. >> 90 percent failure rate, where would that be impressive? >> see you later today. see you in the hallway. >> you will. >> david, on fox business. >> he loiters there. >> i will keep working hard as i can around the priorities that the american people care about. it is legitimate for them to have to expect me to win back credibility on the health care law in particular. and on a whole range of the issues in general. >> that was the president last

month. brand new polls show he has a lot of work to do to restore the public's faith. >> and record lows. and here is la rssularson and chris, former chief of staff to joe manchin. >> gentlemen, how are you doing today? >> well. better than the president. >> we'll get to that. and first my esteemed colleague alisyn lane camerota. >> never gets old. there is a smattering of new polls. one to start with. an nbc poll and asked the public if they think the affordable care act was good or bad idea. 50 percent believe it was a bad idea. obviously it is not working and chris, i shouldn't say the act is not working but the pr push that we heard about.

does that mean that the pr push is not working? >> the roll out is so bad. how do you pr it? that is a key challenge. when the website doesn't work it complicates the ability to sound positives about health care reform. and there are obvious positive in terms of helping person's with preexisting conditions and lifetime caps and preventative cap and giving people health care. but the focus is on a dysfunctional website. that is starting to change. but it will take real time before people's opinions change. it is easy to fall down, it is much harder to come back up. >> on that point, too, she was asked about reengaging people and she admitted how difficult it is. once they go to the website to try to reengage those people. la res what do you think of

this? >> he's in real trouble. you start with the premise that the president lied through his teeth. you can keep your doctor and health care and certain circumstances. i know there is a small number of people who will be covered for preexisting conditions who were not covered by the 34 different medical pools. that is tiny compared to the millions of people who are finding out. i am forceed to buy a health care i don't want and accessories that i don't need and i will have to pay more money. it is one of the reasons that it is it a lack luster retail season. people are finding out they have bigger expenses for a health care program. and once the website is fixed, how do you fix the rest of the role out and people going to a semiworking website and said you get to pay more money for something you don't want to buy. how do you make that one work

once the website gets up to a fully working status. >> chris, i read in the prenotes, you said that the administration has to rebuild the trust they lost. most people don't know the name john podesta. is that their solution to rebuilding trust and how will they do that? >> john podesta is a seasoned individual and worked in the clinton white house and knows the city well. and knows how a white house will function better. it is a step in the right direction. >> what does that look like. >> i think it is a sharper message and better focused and getting a head of the problems. you know, the bush administration is a perfect example every administration has problems, but the key challenge is how do you deal with them as they pop up. when you know that the website has issues and you put the president in the position where

he is talking about the positives of the website and you know it is not going to work well. you create a problem that could have been fixed. it didn't have to be a problem. >> la res. we owe you a answer the next time. we are sorry to cut you off. it was 34 percent disapproved in september. it is over 50 percent now. and those are the people who are actively going out and looking for this insurance and they don't like what they are finding. we'll pick that up next time. thank you, chris and lares. >> and starting to get ready to pay more for the airline ticket. don't like. that the report in congress reached a new budget deal and called for a fee for the round trip ticket. and if it is approved the company will not pay the fee and pass to the traveller. other airlines will take the

same approach. there is drama. >> and secretary of state john kerry pleads for more time on a nuclear deal with iran. will he get it? also brave people risking it all to pull a man from a burning car, did you see this? >> by the time we were pulling the door the flames were over the truck and the blackest smoke i have seen. >> to react, you just get out and you run and, and that's what we did. we got there and there was, there was a poor young mantraped inside.

>> hi, everyone. i am gretchen carlsson. did you see the pictures from the nelson memorial service. we'll have the detail on y. and

how obama care can hurt volunteers that make up most of america's firefighters. did you feel guilty letting a friend drive home drunk. two teens are arrested for after their friend died in a crash. all in the real store tore, top of the hour. secretary of state john kerry heading to capitol hill for a high- stakes closed door meeting with iowa ran. he's trying to get senate law makers to hold off on sanks. and iran agreeing to set a date for the un eninspection for the uranium mine separate from the deal. and if new sanctions are in congress, are we back to square one. we have a former advisor for uk defense. and equivalent to our pentagon, michael, great to see you.

yesterday, secretary of state made the case to congress to becomely give iran a chance to comply. is it compelling? >> i do think it is. i for the last seven years we have seen iran's financial institutions ostracized and seen trade embargoes on arms parts and gas and oil embargoes and what do we have to show for it? not really a lot. there is 3,000 centerrefuges. and there is no evidence that sanctions are working. >> the laund row list of everything that you spelled out is very scary. how close are they to being a nuclear threat? >> they are not.

you need three components. fuel and war head and mechanism to deliver it. and then even then you need to test it. and testing a nuclear weapon is not unobserved by the u.s. we are not close to that. and so i think diplomacy has to be explored. and sanctions take a long time. if we go down the route of further safrngszs it will take a long time to understand the metrics to which the irappians are in that way. the route that we are going down will have a quicker and decisive affect. >> congress people who heard secretary kerry did not seem swayed by his case. they are still pushing it sounds like, and the iranian foreign minister said if the u.s. impose sanctions it is a deal breaker. what is going to happen here? >> i think secretary kerry will get his way.

he has enough support to pursue the next steps and transparency is vital. and there needs to be i a un monitoring team and a bill for review every 30 days. the u.s. and west can turn the sanks back on any moment. we have to give the new diplomacy avenues and we have not had diplomacy since 1979. and we have to try sanctions and they are not working to the full extent and try diplomacy is see where it goes. >> thank you for coming in. a six-year-old boykissed a girl but not underneath the misteletow. >> she sent me to the office. and i said i was sorry.

but i just haven't got the energy. a six-year-old. yeah. canned chore

with. a heroic rescue to tell you about as several good samaritans pull a man out of a burning car. the driver of that truck crashed into part of a bridge. before crews could arrive several bystanders sprang into action. the victim turned out to be a member of the national guard. >> we are learning more about a sign language interpreter just a fake. the man was not signing. he was just making things up.

the white house was questioned about it in briefing a short time ago it referred reporters to the south african government as well. >> but he looked so convincing. >> to a degree, right? >> he didn't have many different signs. >> he looked like runner on third, the steal is on. >> but he was so serious. fascinating. >> meanwhile, extracurricular activity landing a first grader in hot water in colorado. this is hunter and he kissed a girl on the hand. the school suspended him and they are calling it sexual harassment. >> make sense of this. >> i can't. but i will tell you what happened. this is actually going on hunter's permanent school record. he has a crush on a little girl

in class and i will let you listen to this six-year-old young man explain what happened next. >> it was during class, yeah. we were doing reading group. and i leaned over and kissed her on the hand and that is what happened. >> she was fine with it. they are boyfriend and girlfriend. the other children saw it and went to the music teacher and that was the day that i had the meeting with the principal where she first said sexual harassment. >> lincoln school of science and technology in canyon city, colorado suspended the student for sexual harassment because this is the second incident. hunter admits that he has a lot of energy and said he did something wrong and is sorry. now that he has his label it has prompted him to ask the question

to his mom what is sex and his mom is fighting back. our fox news producer called the school district administration off office for comment. the woman who answered the phone said, people are hateful. she told us to call the school and hung up. the school's voicemail is full. >> that child is guilty of being adorable. wow. >> keep us posted. thank you. >> it is not too late to be heard. the government is trying to do it but how are you saving money this holiday season? gate rcreative and tweet us. are you being chinsy this year? >> i'm pro krcratinating this y.

so you stay within your

christmas budget? we asked that. mike wrote: >> lovely. john ridgeway: >> i'm picking up on a lot of sarcasm from our viewers. thank you so much for tuning in. here is gretchen. >> thank you so much today, secretary sebelius back on the hot seat announcing now that she wants the secretary central to investigate the website roll out. plus, the white house announcing lots of pictures with former president of south africa. >> and this case could be huge. two teens busted for leaving their friend and letting her drive drunk into a deadly crash. >> hi everyone it is u