home tonight. greta goes on the record right now. "special report" online with congressman price for a couple of minutes starts in just seconds. this is a fox news alert. the department of homeland security worker promoted a race war is finally off the government payroll. five months after exposed that he was rn inflammatory racist website, dhs confirming he is not employed by the u.s. government. dhs would not say if he was fired or resigned. also tonight, kathleen sl l sebelius is not dodging us. you're going to see what the secretary told us on the record in a minute. but first, today, the secretary calling for an inspector general investigation into the rollout disaster. why now? and is the timing of it curious?

just as congress give it is secretary another grilling. >> i've asked our inspector general to investigate the development of healthcare.gov including contractor acquisition, the management of the project and performance and payment of the contractors. >> and after that heated hearing today, tracking down secretary sebelius for answers. >> madame secretary -- >> your thoughts on today's numbers. >> i think enrollment numbers are definitely picking up and encouraged by the trends. >> would you call it a tide turner? a bit of a game changer? turning the tide? how would you phrase it? >> very positive direction. >> thank you. and one last question -- thoughts on the inspector general's report? >> i welcome it. >> you haven't set a time i guess is my question? >> no. he is an independent inspector general. i have asked him to be involved. we have given him a heads up and i'm eager to receive a report and act on what he recommends.

>> thank you, madame secretary. >> so why inspector general investigation? why now? what can we gain? should we read anything into the timing? former mayor giuliani joins us. good evening. >> good evening. how are you? >> very well. we already an inspector general investigation of the rollout. you're laughing. >> seems late for an inspector general to be investigating this and it seems to me offers a perfect example to say we can't answer questions because the inspector general is investigating. i mean, the reality is this is a complete fiasco and to say she is encouraged by the pathetic numbers they have enrolled, most elected to go on medicaid and bankrupt the entire system is another very, very strange comment. if she's encouraged by that, we're really in deep trouble. >> all right. in terms of the inspector general, do you suspect this was simply a ploy or a legitimate effort to find out what in the world happened?

>> i haven't seen anything legitimate about this effort at all. again, to describe the numbers so far as encouraging, sure, very encouraging if you assume that this entire program will go bankrupt and everybody can go on medicaid. so i mean, maybe, maybe the inspector general can find out things that she can't find out which seem to me if i'm running that agency i would have known the answers by now as to what went wrong two, three months ago. >> it seems to me one of the sort of big problems with this agency and others and i don't know if this investigation turns this up is simply the way we do the contracts. we bleed money to people. no warranty on any of their work and doing a lousy job, we pay them a ton more to fix what they didn't do in the first place and we just keep dishing out the taxpayer money. >> that's a two-year investigation to get to the bottom of that and change that. the specific questions here are, i mean, why wasn't this platform built in the right way to start with?

why didn't they anticipate the problems originally? this is not that big of a number. i mean, you have got private contractors handling 15, 20, 30 time it is volume that had to be handled here. these are answers she should be digging into and getting for herself. not putting this off on an inspector general which seems to me more like a way of getting heat off yourself. >> should she be in that job now? >> you know, i don't know if she should be in that job now. anybody else can do the job. some people really screwed up here and none identified yet an none held accountable and up to the president to decide whether she is accountable or not and he has confidence in her to continue to do the job after -- i can't think of a government fiasco bigger than this one in a long, long time. >> you know what? the thing that sort of dishartening to me, we don't find out who's responsible and hired the people, who's the one

supposed to be monitoring the work, who's to make sure than making the quality control and who's going what and business as usual here in washington on a very big scale now. >> i agree with that, greta. it seemed to me hearing the response today by the inspector general that this was not intended to quickly shed more light on this but, indeed, this was part of the on vis case. let's have an investigation that makes months and months and months and obstruct congress. if they were trying to get to the bottom of it they would have already because this is not that complicated to figure out what the heck went wrong and fix it. i think we're in the middle of the second or third or fourth cycle of spin now. >> does the congress move fast enough in oversight? we have weeks and weeks before hearings. you and i have been in the courtroom. i would be swift in getting things and send out subpoenas.

>> i think we would be more aggressive than has taken place here and it's a shame because these things get stretched out. we saw it with benghazi and different consequences. human life was involved and here with what's going on which is people that were promised health care, many, many more people have so far been dropped from health care than included in health care because of the debacle that the people created. >> mayor, thank you. always nice to see you, sir. >> good to see you, greta. also today, the obama administration releasing new enrollment numbers, growing to 365,000. that does fall far short of the goal of 1.2 million. the response of the white house? >> it is important for people to understand that they evaluate the affordable care act, measuring the success cannot simply be done based on the number of people signed up. it would be nice if the world worked in that simple of a fashion. >> so is the administration moving the goal post again or totally getting rid of it?

abc news political director rick klein joins us. >> they moved to a different field basically. he's technically right. if the program work it is way it is supposed to, what it means is right number of younger and older and sicker people sign up and it works but the larger point, the reason you passed obama care in the first place was to expand for more people this opportunity. the congressional budget office saying 7 million people, the estimate first year, if all this is about a couple hundred people, this is a big, big deal for not a lot. >> if we have 365,000 who have signed up, if we divide that into the 318 million or 50 million, this is rather expensive project we have had. but like i said, 5 million people about lost their insurance policies. >> yeah. >> in order to have insurance by january 1st, you have to sign up by december 23rd and they have to go some place, right?

between now and the 23rd. and only 365,000 have done anything. and what's the capacity of that website? probably not that. what happens to the 5 snl. >> so a good portion of that 5 million lost on the individual market, they get a notification from the insurance company saying your old policy isn't there anymore. here's how you get a new policy. they don't go to the exchange. we don't know how many making up the gap. between medicaid and between the exchanges you will have more people with health insurance net-net in january than now but this is a big issue because you could have more people that lost it and changed than gained it in the first place and why remake the system talking about a few hundred thousand people that gained access in a very big country? >> do you get the sense when the government and administration tells us, good friend, things are looking good, do you get the sense they feel it in their soul? >> every step along the way they have been releasing numbers politically advantageous. we didn't get numbers of enrollment and then they were accompanied by helpful spin of how to see it and the leakless

of how the sign-ups happen through the first couple of weeks since the site back online and every step of the way i think they're ma assaging and n way to say it's not at capacity and we could have a crush of people trying to get on, people that need insurance by january 1st, trying to get on at the back end and may not be signed up and 2 million people started applications and haven't obtained insurance yet. that's a big warning sign out there. >> so it looks rather grim but we hope for the best. but looks rather grim. anyway, thanks, rick. >> thank you, greta. discovered a new and very serious with the obama care problem and never saw coming. no one did. a fire chief is here to tell you what it is and why you should be worried even if you have insurance. you still should worry ant this one, coming up. first, i want to talk to you off the record about the huge embarrassment to our nation.

i'll go off the record after the break.

okay. so i'll go off the record for just a minute. we just heard from president obama's co-conspirator in selfie-gate. first, the picture. the guy with the big grin at the end, well, that is your president and a memorial service

for nelson mandela. not exactly dignified behavior for a memorial is it? they were dancing and celebrating but president obama is representing our nation at a memorial service for their president. he should make us proud aenl not want to cringe. and the bright side, president obama, he's mum about it today and not making it worse or making himself look goofy or embarrassing us more. can't so much for british prime minister david cameron. still laughing like a frat brother. and he's talking. >> perhaps in my defense you should always remember that the television cameras are always on but i would say that nelson mandela played an extraordinary role in his life and in his death at bringing people together and so, of course, when a member of the family asked me for a photograph, i thought it was only polite to say yes. >> is that funny? might be if it's a picnic or a party but it wasn't. it was a memorial or maybe funny

at a different time in history. not when we need the leaders to be leaders and not clowns but respected to keep the lid on serious international problems and let me repeat. this is not the end of the world. but it sure is easier to impress enemies and persuade them and deter if you're coming across as a leader and not a silly frat boy and that's the off the record comment today. if you have an issue, tell us about it. and now, to a potentially dangerous effect of obama care and none of us saw coming. it could put your family at risk. will it force volunteer fire departments across the country to close their doors? chief of the fire department in wisconsin, chairman of the national volunteer fire council and joins us, good evening, sir. >> good evening. >> tell me, chief, what is the problem that i understand has to do with the volunteers and obama care. >> well, obama care is, unfortunately, cast the net too broadly. what it says is that employers,

large employers, employers of who employ 50 or more full-time have to provide health care insurance for employees. employees defined as someone working 30 hours or more. and an employee defined by the irs as someone who receives a nominal compensation. many volunteers receive some sort of nominal reimbursement for training, gas, cleaning expenses, things like that or going to training so the net effect of all of this is the potential that many, many volunteers could be classified as employees under the health care act. >> you know, it's stunning to me that that could ever happen. we value our volunteers so much. are there no sort of ways out of that? is anyone baring down on you to make the volunteers part of a program, health insurance program? some may have other jobs for

insurance. >> some employees, of course, have insurance of their own. some won't. we have written to the irs, back in september, actually, and asked for clarification how the rules will be applied and we haven't gotten a response and as of yesterday a couple of bills dropped in congress. one in the house and one in the senate trying to get a legislative clarification for this. >> how common is it for any fire department to have 50 volunteers? >> probably not a lot of them have 50 volunteers but the issue is the employer and if this fire department is part of a city, the city is counting all employees. the parks department, the police department, so forth. when you add that together with the volunteers, you may well be over the 50 number. >> all right. term of volunteer, 31 hours at the fire station, but i get -- let's say three meals a day, is that nominal or if i get

reimbursed to drive there, is that nominal under the irs requirements? >> that's precisely the question we're trying to answer and haven't been successful yet. it should not draw people into the coverage but we have done -- again, the irs to give us that definition. >> all right. who's your congressman? >> there are a couple of congressmen that introduced the bills. i don't have the names off the top of my head. bills introduced yesterday and seems to me that this is like an easy answer. and it's something that's put a lot of volunteer fire departments and volunteer firefighters, you know, just sort of in limbo and, you know, they can give you that answer pretty quickly. i actually -- pretty nasty you didn't get it last september. >> well, sort of seems the law of unintended consequences. i can't imagine anyone in the this program being drafted had this in mind but nonetheless it's now an issue out there that has to be resolved even though the penalty period is put off

for another year and penalties won't be imposed until the january of '15. volunteer fire departments like any other business but there's no payroll and we have to budget and figure out well in advance the piimpact is going to be. >> seems stupid they're not getting an answer to you quickly an i regret that. and i hope if someone's watching some member of congress that they'll do the right thing. this is -- you know, this needs to be answered. chief, thank you, sir. >> thank you very much. okay. and what's going on at the nation's schools? children acting like children and getting into hot water and what do the schools do? overreact withpunishments. you tell us. first to pennsylvania, two fifth grade boys suspended. what did they do? one used a notebook as a fake gun and pretended to shoot the other and then the other 10-year-old shot back with an imaginary bow and arrows. just boys being boyd on the

playground and both kids getting a one-day suspension. now let's go to colorado. a 6-year-old boy getting suspended for kissing a girl on the hand. the school also accusing the first grader of sexual harassment. but today the principal saying the child's record now says misconduct. you be the judge. are they acting like school ki kids out of control? go online right now and vote in our poll. coming up, he warned congress that health care.gov is under attack. lawmakers are taking the white hat hacker's warnings directly to president obama. is the president listening? find out. the white hacker's here next.

not just a website, not the number of healthy young people not signing up, it is the security, too. that's a giant problem. one white hat hacker warned congress about the problems. republican members of the house science committee writing to president obama demanding answers and they mentioned david kennedy. he is one that warned congress and november 19th it is under active attack. he joins us. >> thank you for having me on. i appreciate it. >> i bet you're surprised there's a letter from congress to the president of the united states and you're named all over the letter. >> i was. i basically woke up this morning to the letter and couldn't believe it. i looked at the letter and had my name all over it and addressed to president obama about the security issues we had come up with and addressed from the science technology committee. >> go back to invest 19th, testified.

you had the security concerns and other three. have you had a chance to sort of review the website and have the security challenges still there? >> i have. so, there's a few of them. there's one that's been addressed and that was one of the easiest ones to fix. i don't know if you saw a few weeks ago there was -- when you went to the web page and search field, you can put in a semicolon and show different attackers so they shut it off and instead of fixing the problem itself and it's standardization of input, they turned it off completely and the most critical ones that we had testified in testified in front of congress for are still there. >> not at all? not fixed? >> i'm in sao paulo and looked at different ones to make sure they were still there and they are and found two more going through the website. >> would you sign up for it? would you feel secure enough in light of the situation?

i don't know how serious these security breaches are but would you sign up? >> no. i wouldn't. and i think it's a shame that security really hasn't been the forefront of this. there's things to protect the site and technology to address it and none of those have been done and they're looking for pointed solutions just to keep it up and running and unfortunately they're not taking any threats towards security seriously and addressing the critical flaws of today and been reported. i mean, they're not like i'm hiding these and not disclosing this. can it be fixed or start over? >> it's hard to say that. it's like you're missing a limb and putting band-aids on to fix it from being severed. there's a lot more that's required to fix this and takes a long time trying to fix the website up today. my recommendations has always been to basically try to take the site down, rework it, recode and kind of release a version to stand up and be secure as well as perform well. this is flawed from the get-go

for security and performance. >> david, thank you. >> thank you very much, greta. coming up, jaw dropping new numbers. what do you think people are planning? pay the fine or buy health insurance? we have the new information. the numbers are coming. plus, is the air force getting into a fight over christmas? former senator santorum will be here to talk about that.

speed read your way through the news. last night, house budget committee chair ryan and murray hammering out the deal to avoid another government shutdown. the house plans to vote by the end of the week. and now to florida, prosecutors say they will not file domestic violence charges against george zimmerman after his girlfriend said she didn't want to pursue the case. zimmerman faced assault and battery charges after his girlfriend told police he pointed a gun at her but she says it didn't happen. and now back to washington,

the ntsb releasing surveillance video of the crash when the jet cracked at san francisco's airport last summer and today the ntsb holding a hearing about the causes of the crash. and now, to a big announcement. "time" magazine selecting pope francis as the person of the year. "time" says the catholic church new leader changed the perception of the 2,000-year-old institution in a big way in a short time. now to south africa. advocates of the deaf say the interpreter on stage in nelson mandela's memorial service was a fake. they say the man was waving the hands around without meaning. the controversy raising questions about how the fake interpreter got into the secure event and get so close to world leaders. and now to vermont, new jersey governor chris christie selling out a gop fund-raiser there. governor christie headlines the soldout winter gala. $1,000 gets one on one time with the potential 2016 presidential

candidate and that's tonight's speed read. and we have heard it so many -- heard so many americans say it. they would rather pay the obama care fine than buy insurance but now the numbers are backing up the claims. according to a new poll, 38% say they would rather pay the fine. that's about 4 in 10 people. representative michele bachmann joins us. >> stunning and growing. a gallup poll had about 3 in 10 americans saying paying the fine instead of obama care and now 4 in 10 americans are saying that. we're just at the beginning of sticker shock and says consumers are pretty smart. they look at the product. they weigh the price and they say, thanks, no thanks. and then in the case of health insurance, college students in particular, college students had the option to pay about $50 a month on insurance. now they're looking at paying four to five times that and

walking away. those are the people the president needs and they're walking away. >> so what happens? i mean, what if this -- what if it turns out it's not funded and the 38% is a significant number and they'd rather pay the fine and doesn't equal the amount of extra money? what happens? where are we getting the money? >> well, we won't. that's the problem. >> but somebody's got to -- >> what's coming out of the general fund eventually coming out of the treasury. >> but i mean -- >> we don't have the money. >> working on a budget together and we don't have the money. >> no. >> more taxes? i mean, seriously, where are we going to get the money? >> i don't think "time" magazine will name barack obama businessman of the year with 2.3 million americans deemed eligible. in other words, you qualify, 2.3 million. today the number came out 364,000 actually enrolled. we don't know if they signed up and paid. but what that means, greta, 1.9 million said, thanks but no thanks. i don't want to buy what you

have to sell. that's a terrible rate of return for all of these potential customers that barack obama thought he would have for socialized medicine and says for young people that the president views them as the cash machine to pay for his socialized medicine because the bottom line is government should help people. it shouldn't hurt people. >> i think the president made a big mistake. i don't mean to demean young people but they can do the -- they can also do the math and cheaper to pay the penalty and so -- >> easy. >> they feel invincible. i remember at that age, i would have gone for the iphone over the insurance at that age. >> you bet. >> i don't understand. so i think he's looking through the -- the responsible eyes of someone who's 40 or 50 and worried about health care. you know? i can't imagine that they're going to go out in droves. >> they're invincible at that age. they think they are. this is where theory is crashing and burning in comparison to

reality. because people aren't going to buy this product. it is a very deficiency product and super inflated price and young people's experience is not unique. for older people, too, a lot of them looking at four and five times what they thought they were going to pay. >> go back to where we were. if the young people don't buy it, and they don't support it, what are we going to do? >> drag comes out of the u.s. treasury which means the president will have to raise taxes somewhere else. >> raise taxes or take it from somewhere else. that's the options? >> he won't take it from somewhere else and will go with raises taxes and we are looking at a crash and burn scenario on obama care quicker than anyone thought but here's the silver lining. i truly believe that we are going to see a parallel universe come up and people come up with an alternative after another for health care and not buying this very bad plate of dog food and go somewhere for value of their money. we do that every day, consumers do. >> run-up of obama care, you get

the cbo and scoring and didn't look this dim? >> cbo said 90% of the people who went on the obama care would be eligible for subsidies. it's about 40% of people are eligible for subsidies. greta, let's face it. >> how do they get that wrong? >> they have gotten everything wrong. president obama's not going to be "time" businessman of the year. >> they're dependent on the information handed. >> garbage in, garbage out. >> yeah. it's a little absurd. this is not the way to measure how the programs work. >> so happy you brought this up. if this is how bad the experience is to buy a deficient product, imagine what health care is going to be like when you need it. when you've got cancer, when your child is sick, when you have to have surgery. that's where it's tragic. and people will be -- it's >> t have insurance on the exchange

and they're not paid, the insurance -- you know, january 1 or 2 and they're not on any records and no insurance. >> that's the dirty secret. if you don't sign up by december 23rd, greta, you are not insured on january 1st and we know what 25% error rate, not happening. now the government is telling people, if you got through the gauntlet of signing up, call the insurance company and double check. >> all right. if any viewers have a good experience of obama care, go to gretawire and tell me because i will talk about it right here. >> two and three, maybe they give you a story. >> yeah. looking for that silver lining. anyway, nice to see you. >> merry christmas. straight ahead, the air force stepping into a war on christmas. anative anati nativity scene ripped dow. next.

now it's time to show you what we're watching. we have the most fantastic videos out there. "duck dynasty" going on tour. part of the uso tour in afghanistan. the stars joined the general to sing some christmas songs. ♪ >> oh yeah. oh yeah. >> the performance was for u.s. service men and women in kandahar, afghanistan, and they really did seem to enjoy the show. i would. and another christmas concert is leaving radio

listeners all shook up. the hit song is "blue christmas" but a 16-year-old french-canadian is standing in for elvis. ♪ i'll have a blue christmas without you ♪ >> needless to say, he was a hit. may have a future in vegas. another talented teen. a high school basketball player in virginia making an amazing shot after chasing down a pass, the player flinging the ball towards the hoop and made the shot and momentum acarried him into the hall. that's what we're watching tonight. coming up, how far's too far? the air force involved a battle over christmas displays. former senator rick santorum is here.

air force embroiled in the war on christmas. a anativety getting the boot from an air force base in south carolina. this is half the military

religious freedom foundation complained that the display violated the constitution they said. the air force now saying it wants to put up a new holiday dais play, one that reflects more than one group so is the war on christmas going way too far? nice to see you. >> thank you, greta. good to be back. >> your thoughts on this? >> look. the constitution says the free exercise of religion. doesn't say anything about restricting people's religious freedom and bottom line is that the bullies win in these situations and what my recommendation is if i was on that base in air force, i'd put another one up tomorrow and make them take that down and the idea of more representative, it's christmas. christmas is a holiday about the birth of jesus christ. and the idea of saying, well, we need to make it into something else, fine. if you want to put up something else of another religious obs

verns, fine. >> i re-read the constitution which i do from time to time and, you know, it doesn't violate the first amendment. doesn't violate the constitution to put -- >> absolutely. the free exercise of religion. >> i did -- i then went to the air force standards cited. government neutrality regarding religion 2.11 and 2.12. that was the explanation to take it down and my reading of it doesn't violate it. i read this and i think to myself, as sort of a sarcastic, give it a rest. i mean, like -- you know, put the -- why do you cave if it's up? go put your own whatever you want up. give it a rest and -- that's what i don't get. >> these are bullies. these are people trying to bully folks. you see in it school districts any type of -- >> weakness on the side that someone that gives in. if a lawyer for the air force reads this, i assume that my reading is not off the charts. you know, is it the liberty -- >> you're a good lawyer.

>> not too bad. i thought i was pretty good, actually. if the lawyer for the air force reads this, then the lawyer for the air force should tell the air force, you know, leave the scene alone and let them put up whatever he or she wants. >> knee-jerk reaction to anybody that complains about anything religious is to back off. that's where it has to change. only way to change is for people who want to see religious liberty celebrated in this country to do the opposite. start getting more aggressive in fighting these folks and not allowing this type of behavior. you're seeing it in schools, seeing it in town halls. you need to hold those elected officials and the military officials accountable for actions. >> and enriches us seeing people appreciate a religion, whatever it is. that's what i don't get. this is just a -- >> this is about -- >> this is to pick a fight and to step on someone else's rights. >> it is the intolerance of the left. it is folks to impose their

religous values saying we won't let you celebrate yours. >> i blame the air force, the air force lawyer to read the law and the statutes. let's ask you about your movie. >> called "the christmas candle." >> speaking of christmas. >> it is interesting because, you know, it is the only movie out this christmas with anything to do with christmas. it's a movie set in victorian england. it's a beautiful film. shot by the folk who is did the harry potter films. beautiful score. and we're really excited that it's a movie that talks about people's struggling with their faith at christmastime and something that's real and authentic and we encourage people to go. it's uplifting, inspiring little movie. if you think about it, think of a movie that came out at christmas with anything to do with the real meaning of christmas. they really aren't too many and if we want to see things that talk about the real meaning for the season, the real reason for the season, then you got to support films like this.

>> the name "the christmas candle." i'm a downloader. >> next christmas you'll be able to. but this christmas you have to go to a theater and it's thechristmascandlemovie.com and 300-some thee materials in the country. >> are you out of politics? considering running for president or stay in movies and what's the deal? just between us. >> between you and me -- >> no one else is listening. >> this is -- this is an important area for our country. the popular culture moves what goes on here in washington and move what is goes on around the country and i thought as an opportunity -- >> will i get an answer? >> maybe between lerkss, mabel not to be involved in something that's significant and important. >> i don't think i got an answer. will you run for president? i sort of heard about movies and in between cycles or something. i didn't get an answer. >> i'm open to other career opportunities in the future but right now "the christmas candle"

the movie. >> nice to see you, sir. >> thank you. a lawmaker grilling secretary sebelius today and here to tell you what she found out, next. watch 10:00 p.m. eastern, house budget committee chair ryan will be sean's guest.

okay. it's time to hash it out. president bush is painting more than artworks and breaking down barriers. "u.s. news" tweeting it's air force awkward together. releasing photos from south africa and one shot president bush shows off his paintings to a group of passengers and including former secretary of state hillary clinton and first lady michelle obama and attorney general holder and capturing presidents obama and bush joking

around and another snapshot shows the presidents chatting preparing for dinner. looks like a fun flight. >> tis the season for the ridiculous government debate. washington times tweeting is santa claus a u.s. citizen in the senate committee on foreign relations would like to know. questioning u.s. ambassador quizzing him about international claims to the article. senator menendez asking if santa could be an american citizen and the u.s. successful for additional claims and the rely he understands claus to be a citizen of the world. and this crook must have a serious sweet teeth. thieves steal truck, hershey's chocolate worth $120,000. robbers swapping it from a truck stop in florida. vehicle itself is worth about $90,000 and unclear if they were after the truck or the chocolate. police searching for the vehicle and cargo. and file this under what

were they thinking? "the new york times" tweeting, the fdny september out a demand for payment addressed to unknown asian. the fire department sending the bill to a new school dorm charging the unknown patient $784 for an ambulance ride. fdny source blaming it on a clerical error pointing fingers at a worker for vaguely filling out a patient form. hash it out with us. #greta. coming up, representative blackburn grilling secretary int sebelius today.

hhs secretary sebelius in the hot seat again. this time under fire from the house energy and commerce committee. representative blackburn grilling the hhs secretary. so what did she find out? nice to see you. >> good to see you. >> first of all, what did you want, what information, and did you get it? >> one of the things i wanted to know is how much money have we spent? she's spent a little over $324 million on this website and obligated $67 7 million. >> we have to pay it no matter what? >> that's right. that goes through october 31st of this year. that doesn't include all the clean-up that starts november 1st. so we're going to be pushing a billion dollars on this. >> who's been monitoring this?

i mean, first of all who picked this contractor? who's been moring toing the outlay and said that they could have this kind of money to spend? who's taking care of this? >> she said that she's in charge. >> where did she get the money from congress? >> through aappropriations. they have reprogrammed and put money together and they have all of this under contract. this is when they run over the budgets and now she's decided to call on the inspector general to investigate her and to investigate this contracting process. and i ask her point-blank, i said are you going to make the contractors pay that money back? taxpayer money. she kind of hemmed and haued and didn't want to answer that one. >> this whole idea of contracts in washington, it's defense department or anybody, is the most incredible -- i mean, what the american taxpayers are subjected to is just beyond. there's no policing. there's no sense of discipline and billions and billions of dollars. >> they run up the bills and then -- see, we started the due

diligence and oversight on this whole process back in march of 2011. every time they came to us, whether it was the contractor, sebelius, whoever, everything is on track. >> subpoena documents. put them under oath. you subpoena them for the documents and then when they show up they lie and perjury. anybody that lies under oath and the documents to see what they're doing with this. >> the way the process works we do this all on the backside and that's why we are bringing her back and continue to bring her back. and henry cho and the rest of them. >> look at it. i blame her for this, the obama administration for this. >> yeah. >> this is a nightmare, the money spent. when you talk about oversight, it is like you could have been on them like a wet suit from day one. not you. but congress. >> right. and that is why back in march of 2011 we did start an oversight

process and building our due diligence, our paper work, paper trail on everything and that is why now we are continuing with the hearings, chairman issa doing oversight hearings. you have weigh ways and means d some because we have to make certain that the taxpayer is paid back for this and also we have to make certain that we push to eventually get this off the books. it is not working. too expensive to afford. >> there a es no warranty. the people that take the contracts, if you bought a car, you bring it back. we keep paying and paying and paying. >> i think the taxpayers are ready to support us in stopping this. we have tried for years to en much of this. >> nice to see you. >> good to see you. >> thank you for being with us tonight. if you're just getting home and out shopping or something, pick up the remote and set a recording for on the record each night and never miss on the record. watch it whenever you want.

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