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deaf so they could enjoy the show. why did she do it? sit is simple. >> i wanted them to understand me. >> did they thank you after? >> yeah. martha: she is so cute. make that is whole thing that happened in south africa, this is the real reason that people sign, right? bill: real deal. have a good weekend everybody. bye-bye. jon: right now today's top headlines and brand new stories you will see here first. jenna: house speaker john boehner offering choice words for members of his own party. why he is blasting more conservative members of the republicans over the new budget deal. we'll get into that. plus a look at the media's and the public's access to the president. we'll explain what is triggering revolt inside the white house press corps. plus years of fighting over this war memorial and it all boils down to one judge's ruling. the future of this cross and
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what it may mean over the debate of separation and church and state. it is all "happening now." jenna: and our top story this friday is another delay for obamacare. hope you're off to a good friday so far, everybody. i'm jenna lee. jon: and i'm jon scott. the white house giving some americans more time to sign up for coverage under the new law. the enrollment deadline is just 10 days away. it is being pushed back another month for those who suffer from chronic illnesses. the latest delay comes at same time about new polling how the new health care law could affect next year's midterm elections. "usa today" "pew research poll" shows 55% of the their republican voters will do better than in recent elections. 33% expecting to do about the same. only 5% think they can do worse. democratic voters seem less confident. 43% saying they can do better. same number thinking it will be
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about the same. 9% saying dems will fare worse. let's talk about it with monica crowley, fox news contributor and author of, what the bleep just happened. chris comean necessary, former chief of staff of west virginia senator joe manchin. welcome to both of you. >> hi, jon. >> hello. jon: another revision in the laws or rules, monica. another deadline that isn't really a deadline. what's it all mean? >> we have a form of obamacare that resembles very little of what was actually passed and signed into law in march of 2010. there have been so many changes to this law. most of them made unilaterally by the president, by this white house. exemptions, waivers, delays and so on. so it doesn't really resemble what was actually passed. it is also creating enormous confusion. remember, jon, we've had a couple of waves of disaster already. we had the broken website. we had nearly six million people lose their insurance policies. and now, what we're looking at
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is this idea that so many people have not actually gotten coverage. they may think they have gotten coverage you there the healthcare.gov website or some of the state exchanges but in fact the onus is on the consumer to call the insurer and make sure there was actually some follow-through. how many people have actually enrolled in obamacare? by actually paying the first premium? nobody seems to know. and come january 1st, you could have another wave of disaster. jon: chris when, you keep pushing deadlines back and back and back and exempting some people and so forth, aren't you just inviting pretty much the nation as a whole to disregard this entire thing? >> well, i mean obviously you know the rollout has not been optimal. i think we can all say that. reality here i think either you do these delays or you face the consequences of you know some of the problems that kind of already materialized. so my perspective to do delay to get it right, focus on fixing it than to kind of force this, you know, unnecessarily.
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listen, any complex piece of legislation whether you're talking about medicare drug plan part-d, whether talking about the obamacare, is going to have, you know initial difficulties and challenges. unfortunately we've had more so than we needed but i think over the next few months you will see whether this is starting to work or not. i know republicans want to you are aboutry it but at end of the day most americans are still focused on repairing it and that i think is where the administration is. jon: but to monica's point, we don't know so much of the information how many people signed up or paid a premium here, chris? >> listen i think this will come out. the deadline, if you will, is the end of march. that's when the enrollment period closes. we're going to know over the coming months whether they're hitting their enrollment targets. we'll know in the coming months whether there are back end issues in terms of people not getting coverage they thought they had. i think we're going to have a kind of a big swell at the end which is what tends to happen in
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these kinds of programs but, you know, listen, let's be honest, if the opposite is true, if we don't hit targets, if these problems persist we have a serious political and policy problem. i think that is fair to say. jon: let's talk a little politics now. speaker john boehner appears to be slamming tea party groups after the house passed bipartisan budget deal that drew criticism from some corners. the vote avoids a government shutdown and saves $85 billion and rolls back part of across-the-board cuts known as the sequester. speaker boehner commenting on the plan and criticizing outside conservative groups. >> i came here to cut the size of government. that is exactly what this bill does. why conservatives wouldn't vote for this or criticize the bill is beyond any recognition i can come up with. they're just comes to when some people step over the line. you know when, you criticize something, and you have no idea
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what you're criticizing, it undermines your credibility. jon: he was talking, monica, about groups that were pushing members of congress to vote against this bill because they felt, the groups did, that it wasn't conservative enough. now what do you think about what the speaker has to say there? >> well it is interesting, jon, not a single senate republican has openly committed to supporting this budget deal, at least not yet. look, john boehner has had a lot of frustrations with conservatives and tea party groups over the years. i think it is bubbling over now for a couple reasons. first of all this budget has nothing to do with fiscal responsibility whatsoever. it increases spending. it increases taxes. it funds obamacare. it really does nothing to address entitlement reform or tax reform and does nothing to address the deficit and the debt. so anybody with a reasonable idea of fiscal responsibility should actually not be supporting this. that being said, i think, john boehner is looking forward to next year and the immigration
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battle. there are some, there are some rumors floating around that john boehner would like to push through amnesty. he hired people on his staff recently who are amnesty advocates. what he may be doing here is politically strategic, trying to marginalize conservatives. trying to dismiss them, shunt them aside, demonize them to great extent. next year when the immigration battle comes up they will be off in the corner and not be able to have the leverage and power that they're going to need to fight immigration. jon: chris, from the standpoint after democrat what do you think about appears to be a bit of muscle flexing on the part of the speaker? >> well, listen, i think it is fantastic to see republicans once again deciding to punch each other in the face and then think that somehow that's a good thing for their political fortunes. you know, if you look at this in terms of brass knuckle politics what boehner did was try to figure out a way to buy time, which is past the election to put themselves in position to win. unfortunately what you have, you
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just heard it, there is puritan call wing of the republican party that will never accept anything but perfection and from what they don't understand is this is a reason why they lose elections. from a democrat's perspective i think it is fantastic. they end up alienating voters. they end up alienating key minoritieses and key demographics they need to win national elections and key states. this will continue this republican civil war seems to have no end and they keep doing it. it is a remarkable thing. it is a from again from a democrat's perspective it's a christmas present. jon: we started off the segment with the polling showing republican voters more enthusiastic about the upcoming elections. we'll see if that holds for the next 11 months. chris, monica, thank you both. >> pleasure. >> thank you. jenna: meantime experts are trying to make sense of what exactly is happening inside north korea after word from pongyang the uncle of the country's leader, north korea's number two in power is found
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guilty of being a traitor and quickly executed. he was seen as a mentor and role model for kim jong-un. this now has many wondering what kind of power struggle might be happening inside of that country and what it means for the rest of us. dapped piper is stream being live from bangkok, thailand with more on this. david? >> reporter: jenna, the decision to execute the uncle of the country's leader kim jong-un has ramifications for the country. he was believed to be the second most powerful person in north korea. north korean state tv announced the demise. a military tribunal tried him and he was quickly executed. an official pyongyang newspaper showed pictures of chiang, standing at military tribunal in submission with guards on both sides. north korean news agency said he committed counter revolutionary acts and described him as human
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scum and a dog. dramatic end for the man widely believed to be power behind the thrown of north korean regime. also was thought that he smoothed path to power of kim jong-un after the death of his father two years ago. he was still seen the center of power recently. he was photographed with the country's young leader in state media. he is being he had ted out of those photographs and videos. his last public appearance was dramatic. he was last seen being arrested during a politburo meeting. reported two of his aides were also executed. rumors some people around him have defected. kim's uncle was thought to be an economic reformer and hoped to model north korea on china, in the official list of his crimes also included mismanagement economic zones near the chinese border to the north. the north korean economy has been in desperate straits for year. experts fear kim jong-un may now
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turn it away from much-needed reforms and make the situation even worse. now the execution of family members in north korea's ruling family is unprecedented as it is, way it has been shown publicly to have taken place. of course the people in the elite of that country are worried now, jenna, if there will be more purges. back to you. jenna: a story we'll indeed follow, david, thank you. jon: now this fox news alert because another nfl game ends in violence. at least three men were stabbed outside the denver broncos stadium last night after the game against the san diego chargers. police say they have several suspects in custody. they believe there may have been a fourth victim. now investigators are trying to piece together what happened. >> i don't know if this is game-related or what caused this. certainly after we are able to inner view several witnesses and even if the suspects, we go through with those interviews at some point, if those occur we'll have a better idea what
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precipitated this after the game tonight. jon: alicia acuna is live from denver with more now. alicia? >> reporter: you mention that possible fourth victim. denver police have not said yet if they have an able to find this person. this is an ongoing investigation. multiple people were stabbed last night shortly after last night's game, the game between the denver broncos and san diego chargers. the broncos lost and the incident happened it in a parking lot west of sports authority field at mile high. multiple witnesses say it started between two vehicles in the lot. police say three stabbing victims were taken to the hospital and one person is in critical condition. they also say multiple suspects were arrested at the scene. >> we're not sure what led up to this. but again all parties are in custody that we're looking for at this point. so we believe and three people at the hospital conscious and talking after having been stabbed following the game this evening. >> reporter: now this comes just weeks after another nfl game in
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which a man died outside arrowhead stadium during a fight. 30-year-old kyle van winkle was found unconscious in a vehicle where the broncos were playing the kansas city chiefs in kansas city. just this past sunday a detroit lions fan wearing a team hat and jersey was attacked following the philadelphia eagles win. the man told police he was walking down the street toward the train station when six eagles fans, blocked him and pushed him around and knocked him out. eagles fans have mellowed since late '90s, when behavior was banned. a courtroom was established inside philadelphia eagles stadium which there was a judge and cops there because they had to take care of the violence and public intoxication. that lasted for a couple years. they did see some success and fans improved their behavior, at least a bit. jon? jon: let's hope they do that at all of these stadiums. alicia acuna in denver. thank you. jenna: secretary of state john kerry sitting down with israeli
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prime minister benjamin netanyahu coming days after secretary kerry finalize ad nuclear deal with iran that israel is opposed to. at least it is the start of a deal. mower on the latest push for peace coming up. also a constitutional fight over the fate of a war memorial cross. a federal judge ruling on the year's long battle. we'll tell you about that. the snowstorm in a place that almost never sees snow. we'll tell you where outside our midtown manhattan studios. more snow is expected for the northeast tomorrow, when navy beats army, jon? jon: no, no you have that wrong. army is on its way to a big victory tomorrow.
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jon: right now some international headlines we're watching for you. violent protests in bangladesh.
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[explosion] deadly clashes breaking out across the capital over the execution of an opposition leader. activists torching homes and businesses belonging to government supporters. at least three people have been killed. a new push for middle east peace. u.s. secretary of state john kerry meeting israeli prime minister net-net benjamin netanyahu in jersey. kerry is on the ninth trip of the year to the region. snowstorm crippling the ancient city of jerusalem making travel difficult for secretary kerry. the snow bringing heavy know snow and bitter cold to the area. jenna: for years a year-long fight, more than that. the fight began in 2006 over a war memorial cross may be over. a federal judge upholding a 2011 ruling that the 43-foot cross in san diego must be removed because it violates the
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separation of church and state. will carr is in los angeles with more on this latest ruling from the judge. will? >> reporter: good morning, jenna. and what this boils down to as the judge says, the cross is unconstitutional because it violates the separation of church and state. now this is a cross that can be seen for miles around in san diego. it actually sits on top of a hill at the mount soledad national veterans memorial. back in 2006 the jewish war veterans of the united states came together with some neighbors in the area. they got some help from the aclu and they sued. yesterday, the judge ordered that the cross must come down. it was a decision the aclu immediately celebrated, but visitors at the memorial have mixed feelings. >> it has been a part of san diego for such a long time and such a monument to the city. and so, i mean, to remove that think is being too overly politically correct. >> a slap in the face to people who aren't christians.
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i'm sad it is coming down but on the other hand, like i say, it, it's not a universal symbol. >> reporter: the judge's ordered that the cross being taken down within the next 90 days. if the memorial actually appeals the decision it could stall the cross from having to come down. representatives do plan to do that we should point out that the supreme court has declined to hear this case once in the past but now that the cross has come down, representatives of memorial say they hope it could go to the supreme court again. so still a lot has to happen before that cross may potentially have to come down. jenna. jenna: story we'll continue to watch later on in the program as well, will. thank you very much. jon: well a shocking admission at the 11th hour. the montana bride accused of pushing her newlywed husband off a cliff, we've been telling you this story, suddenly she has pleaded guilty. our legal panel weighs in on all of this. new developments in the
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chaos gripping ukraine. what is being done to stop the bloodshed in the streets.
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jenna: "happening now," stunning turn of events in a trial we've been watching all this week. the trial of a montana bride accused of pushing her newlywed husband off a cliff. minutes before the case was going to the jury, jordan graham entered a surprise guilty plea to second-degree murder of her groom, cody. let's bring in fred tecce, former prosecutor and esther panitche, criminal defense attorney. you say you're not crazy about
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this deal. why? >> first of all i think she was guilty of in the first degree and i think that is what the jury can come back to. because she took a plea, she can allocate. she can allocate cute and spin the story how they got in a fight. i don't think it was true. look, i'm sure they conferred with the family. justice is served. the judge coon sentence her up to life in prison. i put my personal feelings aside. intellectually i think it is the right decision. jenna: fred mentioned the point i would ask you about is the sentence. what difference does this plea make? she still faces life in prison? >> now that she pled to second degree the judge can take that into account this was not a premeditated act that would go to whether he wants to enhance her sentence, to go higher, to vary her sentence, to go up over the sentencing guidelines or reduce it and go below the sentencing guidelines. more of a point of mitigation. the interesting part i found out
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about this story was reading between the lines that the defense attorney made a comment in some of these reports that the government made this offer. so i'm wondering if the government was concerned by reading the jury that they may not have gotten a conviction for first or second-degree murder. jenna: let me ask you on that. because as someone that worked as a defense attorney in cases like this how does this come about? i mean depending on who made the first offer, they're in the middle of this trial. have both side been talking? is that even allowed? or does suddenly this plea deal just come out of know where? >> well, we're not sure exactly what happened but normally people, lawyers talk all the time and so i have even been in cases where the prosecutor will push a note over to me in the middle of trial to see if there's a resolution to the case we can come out. sometimes i've gone to the prosecutor look, i know the facts are really bad. what are you willing to offer my client. negotiations happen all the time. that is not the unusual part. the unusual part is that --
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>> for the most part. >> that was unusual but but, fred, i know you were trying to get in? jenna: fred? >> when i was prosecutor, once i picked jury, that was it. there were no negotiations. we're going to verdict. that is prosecutor's decision. >> things go in the middle of trial, witnesses don't testify the way the prosecutor thinks they're going to. such a fluid situation that it is not unusual. >> interesting, different styles based on different lawyers. let me move on because i want to ask you guys about the other case. will carr gave background about the mount soledad cross in san diego. this has been a case as he mentioned has been developing over the last, almost been a decade. eight years at this point, fred. the judge's decision, let me read it for what it is right now. this is just the headline. the cross must be removed within 90 days. a decision that could result in the case being sent back to the u.s. supreme court but the judge also immediately stayed his order, pending an expected appeal. can you just, parse that down
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for us. what does that mean? >> i can real quickly, first tell you, larry burns is judge, very close friend of mine. very good guy. he was my instructor 20 something years ago at advocacy institute when i was young prosecutor. i have tremendous respect for him. he is a guy who i can tell you understands this case the ninth circuit basically ruled the cross has to come down. supreme court denied cert, refused to look at it. he was not original judge. he is a guy who i can tell you, puts his hand on a bible i will uphold the law and that is basically what he does. i have to follow what they did. he renderedded this decision. jenna: they will go to the supreme court. they already said they would not hear the case. is there potential it would? >> i don't know why. it doesn't raise novel issues the supreme court hasn't heard. the supreme court is clear
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following a law requiring separation of church and state this is classic case. the ninth circuit ruled. this judge enforced that order or that ruling and i don't know why the supreme court would take it up again. doesn't seem there are any new issues being presented. >> we'll see if any appeals come up over the next few months or so. fred, esther, great to have you as always. >> thanks for having me. edge joy your weekend. jon: some new details emerging about an american missing in iran for nearly seven years. a new report reveals he was not there on private business as the u.s. has long said. the mission of the former fbi agent may have been on and could he be even in more danger now? plus, access denied. journalists grilling the obama administration for preventing behind the scenes photo-ops of the president. quite the drama in the press room. our media watchers weigh in next.
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jenna: well some new details coming to light about an american missing in iran for nearly seven years now. the united states had claimed robert levinson, a former fbi agent was a private citizen on a private trip but a new report is now revealing he was there on an unauthorized spy mission for the cia. levinson flew to kish island, an iranian resort, in march of 2007. a day later he disappeared. our chief intelligence officer, i should say, officer, i'm going
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to promote you, catherine. >> reporter: i appreciate it. all the hard work. jenna: that you are exactly who you are. catherine herridge is joining us on the story. you've been following this since the beginning this. is a very interesting development. how does it impact the story as we've known it really? >> reporter: well, jenna, this is a very significant development. a short time ago the head of the house intelligence committee who gets regular briefings on this issue reacted to the levinson reporting saying that the u.s. government beliefs he is remains alive and being held by iran's most senior intelligence agency. >> i don't know why you would do that and jeopardize his very life. he is in the custody of some pretty bad people. many believe that he sis still in the hand or at least under the control of the quds force which is their version of our cia. >> reporter: congressman referring to the ap reporting, first to break the news that levinson, a former agent with the fbi, was collecting for the
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cia when he disappeared in iran. this photo is from a proof of life offered by his captors about three years ago. separately fox news confirming through a source familiar with events at cia several analysts were involved in a off the books collection program. in some cases operatives did not know they were gathering information for the cia based on fox's reporting it appears levinson was part of this collection program. this morning his family put out a brief statement and posted it to their website saying weigh courageous and dedicated to serving the u.s. government, adding, quote, the u.s. government has failed to make saving this good man's life the priority it should be. there are those in the u.s.
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government who have done their duty in their efforts to find bob but there are those who have not. the levinsons a calling on the u.s. government to step it up in terms of identify hog holding him. national security council put out a statement voicing concern over ap reporting which levinson's alleged role with the cia. the agency consist tently declined to comment . >> mandela memorial service the official white house photographer was up on the platform with current president, two former presidents. you were asked earlier about possibility could have god forbid terrible incident with the interpreter, potential security issue. the official white house photographer was up there and, individual photographers were
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news organizations you just hailed were not allowed on that same platform. >> there were photographers there and ask the photographers on the trip, our staff went to great lengths to get as much access for all of our traveling press as we could, in fact got exceptionally more access for our traveling press, than we were told we would get. and i think if you asked people who traveled they would confirm that that ising when we go overseas we work with all the time. now, the, you know, the disposition of the photographers when it comes to where the president is standing or sitting is obviously something that is worked out, depending on the host government and, you know, what we can do working with the photographers but you know, this is, this is something i promise you, ed, we take seriously and we're going to work hard on addressing. jon: jay carney used to be a journalist at "time" magazine. now he speaks on behalf of president. journalists argue that the president is not meeting
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transparency standard that he himself set up. remember this campaign promise? >> i want to carry, i want to carry those same montana values, those american values, of openness and transparency with me to the white house. i want an administration that is as open as the great plains. jon: well he may have carried them to the white house but then he promptly buried them. judith miller, pulitzer-prize-winning reporter and author and fox news contributor. lynn sweet is the washington bureau chief at "the chicago sun-times." for instance, lynn, on the very first day he was in office, the very first day he is sitting there behind the resolute desk the only pictures that were allowed by president obama and his administration came from his personal white house photographer. he didn't let the press in. why? >> well, i think the answer is that the white house communications people want to control every message, whether it is visual or not and on the
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point of, that, of the clip you just played of jay carney, i think what's important to think here is that jay was, emphasizing what he did not control, which is access by foreign governments. it is great if he got photographers more. but the journey to south africa included having, the journey was the story, including this historic gathering on air force one of presidents past and present. that is something that the white house controlled. that was in effect, u.s. soil in the air. jon: right. >> i think we're forgetting here, i think it was on weaker legs on the argument not allowing photographers on air force one to snap that historic moment because that's why they're there, is to chronicle the history of the presidency. not just go to an event in a big stadium where there were other photographers earnings right. the white house, judy, said that, 20-hour flight to south africa, that included president george w. bush as well
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as president obama, you know, that they were sleeping most of the time. it was a 20-hour flight. >> right, it was about as exciting as perhaps the president being photographed in the oval office on the phone but you know the issue is, who makes the call about what's interesting to the american people? is it the white house itself which is the way they would prefer it? or, is it an independent press taking moments, reporting them, snapping images that perhaps the white house doesn't want us to see? that is what is going on here. in this instance, and in this administration, secrecy is the norm. jon: we had an image up a little while ago, lynn, of the president kicking back in his chair with his feet up on the desk. he took a lot of heat from people over photos like this. it is hard to imagine say, ronald reagan putting his feet up on that historic desk, i think same one that john f. kennedy used when he was in the oval office. is it the fact that the white house wants to manage the media
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perceptions of the president and maybe isn't doing the job that they wish they were? >> well i think that they are happy with what they're doing. that's why they're not changing. and, you know, the issue whether or not putting your feet on a historic desk is respectful, for the moment let's put that aside and just say, would that have happened if the press photography pool had been allowed in? how staged was it? was it really just a natural thing? i want to emphasize this isn't about the official white house photographers. they're entitled to do their job. it is just a matter of letting working press who aren't there necessarily to glamorize or sanitize a picture have some access to record the history of the presidency and it isn't about whether the white house puts a photos on flickr or instagram or whatever they want. they can put a million photos up there. that is not the issue. it is access. jon: the white house says these are private events and puts these private events on flickr
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and millions get to see them but only in the way the white house wants them to. that is the issue. we have to leave it there. lynn sweet, judith miller. thank you both. >> thank you, jon. jenna: certainly more politics to come. our next story is perfect this time of year. shaken not stirred, are you that type of man, jon? jon: i don't drink martinis. but it's a great line. jenna: it's a great line and it is of course from james bond. james bond drinking put under the microscope. why some researchers say, in real life, 007 might be dialing 911. ♪
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♪ jon: see him rocketing up sixth avenue anytime. for decade countless enemies tried to do away with britain's top spy, james bond. everything from guy ant lasers to odd job's decapitating bowler hat have failed but it turns out the fame must fictional secret agent would likely be done in by his taste for cocktails. researchers in britain who studied mr. bond's drinking habits, actually determined he consumes more than 90 drinks a week on average. likely would have died from alcohol related causes such as liver failure. by the age of 56. dr. david is a maati, chairman of urology at lennox hill hospital in new york and fox news medical a-team member.
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this is semiserious research done by "the british medical journal" chris mat edition. they have a little fun and lighten up at end of the year. they sat down and read the james bond books. these were not done from the movies but from the books. they read the books. they counted up how many drinks he had. 90 a week, doctor. >> that is a lot and i hoped you would introduce me as bond james bond. have fun with this. 90 drinks a week, i'm not sure how he would have survived. that is almost 92 units or almost nine bottles of wine which none of us can really survive because your liver has to filter all the alcohol through. so he would have had a whole punch of cancers from pancreatic cancers and liver and on and on. jon: it was not just the drinking and smoking as well. they figured out maybe 70 cigarettes? >>0 cigarettes a day. average number of cigarettes is about 20 cigarettes, jon. he was smoking three times more.
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he was drinking 10 times more. i have nothing against having one or two glasses of wine a night but this is obviously excessive. and only good things about his life would have been surrounded by all the beautiful women. bus that's it. wine and cigarettes would have killed him at age of 56 as you mentioned. jon: i think we have footage of james bond driving, the famous aston martin that was part of the novels as well, as well as the films. there's the car and they actually brought it by our studios one day a couple years back. they were putting i think that car up for auction. i have i got to take a seat in it. >> that is you. jon: that is me in the james bond mobile. as much as he drank apparently never drove drunk because the car was still in good shape when we got it. >> you certainly look great in that car. one of these days we ride one of those. but you know, his life-style obviously was all about rush and
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speed and all beautiful women and wine and cigarettes. so the whole message from this going through the holidays is to have fun. make sure that, you know, once or twice a day or a week having some red wine or alcohol is okay. but don't overdo this. an certainly stay away from smoking because we know about lung cancer and all these other kind of cancers. jon: enjoy your holidays but know that even james bond is not invincible. dr. samadi, thank you. >> you look great in the car. jon: wish it was mine. jenna: new dinosaur discovery. what this dino may have in common with a rooster? plus as you wrap up the holiday shopping, how to find a gift for that hard to buy someone while helping those in kneeled half a world away. we'll tell you how coming up.
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jenna: with christmas quickly approaching instead of fighting the crowds at the malls to finish your holiday shopping you can embrace the true meaning of the season donating a worthy charity in the name of family and friends. that is good idea. chief religion correspondent lauren green is with us. lauren. >> first glance at the catalog. it is glossy that it looks like it could come from macy's or j. crew. but it doesn't, it is a gift catalog but from the christian charity world vision. the gift catalog filled with gifts not just for you or anyone really we know. therefore the world's poor. flipping through it you find high quality pictures of farm animals, fruit trees and sewing machines. world vision says these catalogs are intentionally designed to look like any retail outlet offering and it helped boost giving. >> the format of a catalog really lends itself to show all the work that world vision does. so that is one of the reasons why we use that format but the main reason is that people are
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used to shopping out of catalogs. it's a familiar format for them. >> reporter: farm animals like goats, really a popular choice. not only do these animals help feed entire families which is the serious part of it, take care of a person in your family really impossible to buy for. >> like my father what do i buy my father for christmas? he doesn't need anything. doesn't want anything. you can buy some chickens. you can buy some goats and give those goats and chickens to a family that needs them overseas and then daddy, a card, hey, guess what i got you for christmas, two goats and 10 chickens. >> reporter: franklin graham's charity, samaritan's purse is one place you can buy a goat for a needy family. here is another one you may have not heard one. goats forean old goat started by fox's ellen rattner. when she turned 6 0 and didn't want to get presents. this celebrates the true meaning
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of christmas. jenna: maybe i will get jon a goat for christmas. >> reporter: it changes whole meaning of getting your goat. jenna: there you go. jon: i bought goats for all my kids through ellen's charity last year. jenna: that is great idea. jon: goats for christmas. jenna: thank you, lauren. >> reporter: sure. jon: well a cool dinosaur discovery to tell you about. for years scientists believed the head ornaments on all dinosaurs were made of bone until now. a rare fossil find shows a soft tissue crest atop one dino's head was more like fleshy material found in a rooster's comb. it was found in alberta, canada. they were found on a duck bill dinosaur. they were common, so we're sold,5 million years or so ago. jenna: it has been three years since the death after border patrol investigation that launched the "fast & furious" scandal. hundred of guns remain missing and two of brian terry's killers are still on the loose.
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coming up a look where this investigation stand today. a teenager charged in the death of four people, blamed it on rich kid's syndrome or something like that. we'll have a doctor if "affluenza" is a real affliction. that's coming up.
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jon: new developments to our top stories and breaking news this hour. jenna: well, apparently, it just keeps coming, the problems with the obamacare rollout. even more new rules are going to further extend the deadline for people to buy health care, or at least attempt to. some are now saying the drip, drip, drip could make a big splash when it comes to 2014 mid terrells. also, a story causing outrage, a judge sentencing a teenager to a few years' probation for killing four people. the reason that was given for the teenager's action is something called affluenza, the kid was too rich, too
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privileged. and folks still digging out facing another winter last, we'll tell you when and where the storm will hit. it's all "happening now." ♪ ♪ jenna: noon here on the east coast, hope you're off to a great friday so far. some big problems for the bipartisan budget deal hitting gridlock in the senate, it's where we begin today. great to see you, everybody, jenna lee. jon: gridlock in washington, i'm jon scott. "happening now," facing backlash from a recent power grabby majority leader harry reid holding up a series of confirmations on presidential mom north koreas -- nominees. still, senator reid says he will meet with gop leaders to try and speed things up. mike emanuel on cap old hill -- capitol hill now. >> it's a friday the 13th miracle. things are clearing up here in
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the united states after a couple of all nighters in the senate where republicans expressed their concerns about senator reid's move to adjust the rules this the senate and other topics. a short time ago reid announced a deal's within reached -- been reached. >> we worked out a schedule that allows for the next set of votes which will occur at noon today, be the last votes of this week. we agreed on monday evening the senate will vote on the matters that we would have voted on the rest of today and in this weekend. >> reporter: senator reid announced that on tuesday the senate will begin consideration of the bipartisan budget deal which the house passed last night. he says on wednesday they will work on the defense authorization. so some critical votes this hour and then they're essentially dope for the week, jon. jon: so there have been a couple of all nighters so far this week brought on by republicans, right? what are they talking about? >> reporter: well, they are obviously mad about senator reid changing the rules in the senate to make it easier to confirm presidential nominees.
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so there was plenty of venting in the wee hours of the morning about that. and then a couple of gop senators a short time ago were complaining about their experiences trying to sign up for obamacare. >> we all had to go through this as members. people don't understand that back home, they think we're exempt. we're not. i went through this torturous process. only after two hours with all kinds of technical problems and so forth and so on. >> reporter: and senator coats said he printed out confirmation that he was signed up, sent a staffer down to the office to confirm it, and the office said he was not signed up for obamacare. bottom line here in the senate, they're going to have some votes this hour, and then they are essentially done for the week. jon: the fear is a lot of americans could have that same experience there. mike emanuel on capitol hill, thank you. jenna: a new day and a new change for obamacare. the administration is now asking insurance companies to extend the deadline for people to buy health plans through the end of the month.
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wendell goler's live at the white house with more on this. >> reporter: jenna, that request to insurance companies is one of several the obama administration to made to accommodate people who were having trouble enrolling online. it already delayed the sign-up date from november 15th to -- december 15th to the 23rd. it's also asking insurance companies to launch policies even if people have only paid part of the premiums, and the government is extending something called the pre-existing insurance plan an extra month. that was started in 2010. it was supposed to expire at the end of the year. >> this was an option provided to those with pre-existing conditions in anticipation of a bridge, essentially, of the period where by law insurance companies could no longer deny you coverage and could no longer jack up your rates because you had a pre-existing condition. >> reporter: jay carney concedes some of the roughly 85,000 people in that plan have been struggling to find new insurance, and even though the online web site's working better, federal officials say
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they've accumulated a backlog of 50 or 60,000 paper applications and relatively true few of the 100,000 or so people whose applications have actually been processed have actually been notified. meanwhile, beyond the launch problems obamacare critics say it's moving health care in this country in the wrong direction. >> it's definitely a step in the direction of what we've all feared, which is a national single-payer, government-run, government health care system the likes of which can be seen in other countries around the world, many parts of europe. we're not well suited for this sort of experiment in america. it's not going to work here. >> reporter: senator lee's predicting some people will think they're covered next year, will find they're not. white house officials insist that will not happen. they also say obamacare will lead to small business layoffs, and administration officials say the program's tax breaks will actually appeal to small businesses. jenna? jenna: wendell goler live at the white house, thank you.
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jon: this new potential fix to obamacare is asking insurers to extend deadlines allow people -- allowing people to sign up in the new year. meanwhile, republicans are hoping to take advantage of the rocky obamacare rollout in the 2014 midterm elections. let's talk about it with david hawkings, senior editor at "roll call." debbie wasserman-schultz who heads the democratic national committee be as well as harry reid, the top democrat in the u.s. senate, both say that obama care is going to be a winner for democrats next year when people go to the polls. are they right? >> well, it's 11 months away, so, i mean, it's one of the oldest cliches in politics that, you know, a year is a lifetime in politics, it's several lifetimes in politics. i'm not sure we know just yet. one thing we do know is that the first couple of months have been, you know, i think all
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sides would agree it's been a mess, it's been a disaster. but what that means for the democrats and for president obama in their view is that they sort of have nowhere to go but with up, that they've bottomed out at the start, and politically they can spend the next year trying to say it's getting better and better all the time. republicans, obviously, think that's not going to work, and can they seem quite determined to make obamacare's failings the centerpiece of their campaign in 2014. it's one of the reasons, i think, why this budget deal that the house passed with a solid number of republican votes last night -- two out of three every republican votes -- is going to cruise through the senate relatively quickly next week because the republicans want to get budget talk behind them, and they want to make talking about obamacare job one for the campaign. jon: so they're trying to keep their powder dry, in essence, get this budget deal behind them even though some of the most conservative members don't really like it. they want to get it behind them,
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move on to other things and let 2014 be all about obamacare? >> that's right. i mean, don't get me wrong, there will be plenty of republicans in the senate who will vote against this, who think that it's a lame deal, that it's inefficient, they don't like some of the fee increases in it, but they're not going to -- there's not going to be some giant pre-christmas filibuster, i don't think, against this budget deal. they don't want talk of budget anxieties, showdown possibilities, government shutdown in january possibilities. thai not going to go -- they're not going to go through that again. they want the year to end on a note that they've done their budget business and that they can look into the new year with, essentially, going on offense in, in state after state on obamacare. jon: right. >> they are playing offense in seven states in the senate, they need to pick up six seats in the senate. in four of those states they're running against democrats who voted for the bill, they really think this is a golden opportunity for them. jon: and that is going to be
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likely a millstone around the necks of those democrats who did vote for this if, in fact, it's still a mess come election time 11 months from now. >> well, that's right. at this point, so the four -- i'll just tick them off because we're going to be hearing a lot about them -- mark begich, mary landrieu of louisiana and mark pryor of arkansas, all four of them say they're glad they voted for the bill, they still think the bill was the right thing to do, but that's not stopping them from saying things that are critical about the rollout and from proposing some of the very delays that we've been talking about this morning and that have happened in the last few weeks. those senators have been taking the lead in advocating for, but their gamble, of course, is that by -- come the election time, those problems will be behind the country, and the voters will be starting to take a new look. jon: and as i recall, four of them are democrats representing states that voted for mitt
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romney the last time around. david hawkingings, thanks for joining us today. >> thank you, jon. jenna: new developments now overseas in the political crisis gripping ukraine. the three top opposition leaders there will now sit down with the country's president, this after weeks of sometimes-violent demonstrations against the government's decision to reject an agreement with the european union to instead forge closer ties, or so it seems, with russia. patti ann brown is following this from our newsroom. >> reporter: they are already meeting, jenna, as you say. many ukrainians support a pact with the european union, but instead the president recently opted to restore closer ties with russia instead. and that infuriated his opposition. with one leader saying we are on a razor's edge between a final plunge into cruel dictatorship and a return home to the european community. hundreds of thousands of protesters have packed the streets over the past three weeks. in key jeff, the capital of this
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former soviet bloc nation, they toppled the statue of lenin. some of of the protesters were beaten by police, and today the president is meeting with the three top opposition leaders among others to try to stem this political crisis. one of those leaders, a world champion boxer, is regarded by many as ukraine's leader in waiting. he proposed amnesty for all of those facing criminal charges stemming from the protests, and he said he is still considering signing that deal with the e.u. if some of the conditions are changed. but the opposition is still also demanding early elections and a brand new government. the two sides remain far apart in what protesters say is an epic battle between east and west, and protesters both for and against the government are now landing huge demonstrations for this weekend, so no end in sight yet, gwen that. -- jenna. jenna: thank you. jon: millions across the country could get a winter wallop this
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weekend, the latest from the fox extreme weather center coming up. plus, it's hard to belief it's been three years since border patrol agent brian terry was murdered and the fast and furious scandal exploded onto the national scene. but has his family received any closure or anything close to justice? a live report on that straight ahead.
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jon: now a fox weather alert. not even winter yet, and we've got another big storm brewing. folks from the ohio valley to the northeast could be shoveling snow this weekend. chief meteorologist rick reichmuth is in the fox extreme weather center. >> reporter: yeah, the months where we see the biggest winter activity are december, january and march, so we're in it. and i tell you what, there's been an incredible lake effect snow the last few days, some spots have seen 58 inches of
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snow recorded right there. that's not the snow we're talking about, this next storm, that's out here across the central part of the country, rainy across texas, arkansas and a little snow on areas of northern missouri, but this storm is going to continue to pull off. it's a quick mover, so accumulations won't be that extreme. you see the snow overnight brewing across areas like st. louis, towards chicago, indianapolis and then by saturday evening we've got this kind of line right here across the i-95 corridor where we're going to be seeing snow, i think, to the west of it, and to the east of it it's going to become rain. so we're not talking major accumulation. some areas, though, are under winter storm warnings, and get ready especially interior sections of the northeast, jon, could see some areas maybe picking up a foot of snow, great news for the ski areas, and it's a weekend so people don't have to get out on the roads before christmas, stay inside and enjoy a little snow. jon: rick reichmuth, thanks. jenna: well, this weekend marks
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three years since the death of border patrol agent brian terry and the beginning of the fast and furious scandal, the botched gun-running scheme that went so terribly wrong. william la jeunesse is live in los angeles with where we are now with it all. william? >> reporter: well, jenna, two of brian's killers remain on the loose, but we still don't know what happened that night. the white house is withholding documents, the fbi never issued a report on the shooting, and there remains a gag order on brian's fellow agents. >> three years have gone by, and we still wonder why. >> reporter: from a death in the desert to contempt hearings on capitol hill, three years after border patrol agent brian terry died, the family still has questions. >> we know who in atf and the u.s. attorney's office were found negligent in putting this operation into place that resulted in the death of brian terry. but we still don't know why.
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>> reporter: terry's murder prompted atf agent john dodson to blow the whistle on a government-approved operation that allowed thousands of guns into mexico where they killed countless innocent victims. >> mr. attorney general, i didn't ask you a question -- >> reporter: congress also still wants answers. >> we don't know why we were lied to by department of justice and why for ten months they continued to push a false story about not letting guns walk. >> reporter: attorney general eric holder was held in contempt, and the house sued to obtain what it believes are incriminating documents that show who knew what about the operation. >> i'm particularly disappointed with this president because president obama himself asserted a privilege not to allow documents that show false statements and cover-up to congress to be revealed. >> reporter: the terry family is appealing a ruling that it cannot sue the federal government. no one was ever fired or lost their pension, though an agent did lose his life. >> we'll go to bed with another
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prayer that no other american law enforcement officer will lose his life like brian did, because of the guns of operation fast and furious. >> reporter: so the big fight now is in court where the white house claims executive privilege over e-mails and correspondence that house lawyers believe will show a cover-up and exactly what the attorney general and the white house knew -- what the white house knew about fast and furious. jenna, back to you. jenna: william, thank you. jon: well, a family feud of sorts breaking out among republicans, so how are the media treating the tension between the house speaker and congressional conservatives? we'll take a closer look at that ahead. plus, a celebrity marriage hits the rocks bigtime. fox news has the 411 behind the breakup of khloe kardashian and lamar odom.
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jenna: well, right now john boehner taking on the tea party. the house speaker calling out conservatives or more conservative members of his own party over their criticism of a budget deal. take a listen. >> i came here to cut the size of government. that's exactly what this bill does. and why conservatives wouldn't vote for this or criticize the bill is beyond any recognition i could come up with. there just comes to a point when some people step over the line. you know, when you criticize something and you have no idea what you're criticizing, it undermines your credibility. jenna: let's talk a little bit about the media.
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is the media treating this story fairly? howard kurtz is the host of "media buzz," this is going to be a topic for your show this weekend. howard, what do you think? is this story getting fair coverage? >> well, the mainstream media love republican in-fighting, and they've been deprived in the weeks since the government shutdown ended, so when john boehner had his howard beal moment as it was called, naturally, everybody in the press jumped on it. jenna: is it a story, though, in that john boehner did call out members of his own party? you don't really see democrats doing the same thing, so is it rightfully getting the attention that it deserves? >> it's absolutely a legitimate story for a couple reasons. one is now you have more and more people jumping in, for example, glenn beck denouncing speaker boehner as a worthless republican, so we love these beltway brawls, and the
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president's a lot more fun to cover than going lu the weeds of what's in the budget deal and how many billions of dollars a year they cut the deficit. beyond that, it does show a fundamental split in the republican party. we saw this in the shutdown between those who say, look, in the era of divided government, you take what you can get, and those who feel you should hold out for more even at the risk of more bruncksmanship -- brinksmanship. jenna: it is a key point that it's a little more fun to talk about the personalities than the details in the budget, i mean, unless you're a huge math or accounting fan. just real quick here, you know, elizabeth warren, there were some questions about her challenging hillary clinton and whether or not we might see a split in the democratic party to more of a progressive split from the core of the party. do you feel like that got the same attention as this? is it not as important of a story? that's something in the last ten days or so that got some
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attention, but it was looking at the democratic side. >> the elizabeth warren boom was completely created by the media. sure, there are tensions on the democratic side between hillary clinton, the obvious front runner, and people who are more liberal and would like to have a more progressive candidate. because the election's three years away and you don't have the sniping and the vitriol like you do on the gop side, it's more sedate at least for the moment. jenna: howard, it's going to be a great show this weekend. nice to have you join us on a friday, and be sure to catch howard this weekend hosting "media buzz" when he analyzes the coverage of this week's top stories, sunday 11 a.m. eastern time, again at 5 p.m. eastern. don't miss it. thanks, howard. >> thank you. ♪ jon: well, their perfume may be called unbreakable, but the marriage of khloe kardashian and lamar odom apparently is not. the reality store is filing divorce papers this very day.
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julie banderas is here to keep us updated on the latest. >> reporter: yes, folks, it's true. it's official, she is ditching the dirt bag. he is rumored to have slept with at least two other women who weren't his wife. she's reportedly filing today according to tmz citing irreconcilable differences in her legal documents. the differences she's referring to is no secret, unfortunately. while khloe had maintained she would stick by his side despite his drug abuse, infidelity and reckless behavior, she has had enough. the couple married in 2009 after dating only 30 days, but the end of the marriage was a long time coming after khloe learned about lamar's crack addiction. then there was this disturbing video of lamar recording a selfie rap video in which he brags about cheating on her. this most likely brought her to her breaking point, who could blame her. after tmz posted the video on its web site last month, khloe
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was seen no longer wearing her wedding ring. here's some insider info, keeping up with the kardashians, jenna, listen up, the marriage troubles will definitely be the focus. during the christmas special while khloe played some christmas videos from her sisters' childhood, the family decides to play a game, and in the scene khloe picks the number 7, and then she gets very upset because that was lamar's nba number. she finally did ultimately come to the decision, which was a difficult one for her i can say. she was very much in love with him but, unfortunately, romance in hollywood doesn't last too long. the divorce shouldn't last too long either since the power couple does have an iron-clad prenup which kept all their assets separate, and the two have no kids. a sad, sad story, a real one, but nonetheless a sad one. jon: and what's with the
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kardashians and basketball players? >> i don't know. they really like athletes. jon: i guess so. for a period of time. >> but they don't seem to last, and they don't seem to remain faithful. note to self, don't date a cheating athlete. [laughter] jon: okay. julie banderas -- >> reporter: always good advice. jenna: it is. thank you for that. well, there are two states that embraced obamacare early, and the administration has held them up as models for the affordable care act, but coming up, we're going to see whether or not that really sends a message about what to expect nationwide. also, one year after the sandy hook massacre, we're going to bring you to the hard numbers on changes to gun laws in this country, what's come -- what's happened over the last year. we'll have that coming up.
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♪ ♪ jenna: a little more on the health care law now. there was a lot of enthusiasm for obamacare in certain states, some of them being oregon and washington state. those two states received in the form of federal grants money to set up their own exchanges, but according to a recent report, just 44 folks in oregon signed up for private be insurance policy through their state's exchange from october 1st through november 30th. oregon was last among states according to that count, the most recent information we have, and accounting for over just 1% of americans who selected policies on state and federal exchanges. we don't have complete information on november
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enrollment, but in washington state we know it's been this way so far. eight times as many people enrolled in medicaid than those that purchased individual health plans, and seven times as many signed up for medicaid versus private insurance in that crucial 18-34 age range. so we wanted to ask the question if this happens nationwide, if this is an example what's going on nationwide, what does that mean for the law? michael cannon is with the cato institute and co-author of "healthy competition," michael weinberg is senior policy adviser to the bay area council, and sarah cliff is a reporter for "the washington post". nice to have you all today. we're dealing with just the numbers we have, and we want to be clear about that because we're still waiting for more information but, sarah, what would happen if eight times as many people sign up for medicaid as those that sign up for private insurance, does that mean we're in the death spiral that some folks have talked about? >> so i think one thing to keep in mind here is that people
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don't really have a choice which program to sign up for. it's not as if they're choosing medicaid over private insurance, it all just has to do with how much you earn and which program you're eligible for. i think the challenge would be is that we're seeing not very high enrollment in the private market. there's a worry about the death spiral that you mentioned, the idea that the pool will be too small, and you'll only have unhealthy people signing up. the health care law did worry about this, and the people writing about it did worry about this type of problem, and that's why they have a few protections to smooth the transition through 2017. although, you know, the obama administration, more enrollments would obviously make them happier than fewer enrollments like they're seeing now. jenna: to sarah's point, you might not have had a choice, you might not have realized you qualified for medicaid, so suddenly you're in that bucket. but tell us about what's actually going on. >> well, the medicaid numbers aren't important for the
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survival of the exchanges. what's important is how many people have enrolled in the exchanges and what's the mix of the people in those exchanges. oregon has enrolled all of 44 people in its exchange, and that is across different plans. you cannot run a health insurance market with just 44 people in it. another problem is that oregon, according to american commitment, they wrap some number -- ran some numbers and estimated oregon has now spent almost $7 million just per person on its exchange just to end roll those 44 people. obamacare was supposed to reduce the administrative costs of buying health insurance. but in oregon so far the administrative costs are outlandish, and even in washington the administrative costs are about $10,000 per person which is about the cost of a health plan under obamacare, to you're -- the administrative costs are actually 100% of the cost of insurance rather than 15 or 20% which obamacare's supposed to keep them to.
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jenna: mike, michael brings up an interesting point be, we didn't talk about the dollar signs associated with this so far, and again, we're still not clear on the final numbers of any of this including the dollar amount or the people incontrolled, but, michael -- enrolled, but, michael, what are your thoughts on this? >> there will not be 44 people in the health insurance market in oregon. all the people in the current market will be rolled into more policies. you can't do the math based on the enrollments in october. this train is leaving the station, it's picking up steam. we're going to have more and more enrollments, and the administrative costs per person will come down dramatically. jenna: what about time? we have ten days until december 23rd. i know the administration has asked until the end of the month to get people signed up for january 1st, qualifying for insurance at that moment. but how much time are you giving this, especially for folks that, you know, are searching for insurance and may not be able to fully do it through the web site? >> sure. there may be a gap, and that would be veryunate.
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some folks may get enrolled for a february 1st effective date. we wish that this were going more quickly. in places like california, it really is. we signed up 50,000 people in the first week of december alope. it's important -- alone. it's important to emphasize oregon and even washington to a certain extent are outliers in terms of the number of people they've enrolled, and in oregon, there are a lot of completed paper applications of folks that are going to be getting coverage. jenna: sarah, you know, micah mentioned california. california right now has seven million people uninsured which is a fourth of the state's population. so although they're pace looks -- their pace looks so much better than other states, there are still millions of people left without insurance this california, and that's going to be part of this, again, this rollout to get them involved. but what about that gap that micah mentioned? if you're part of that gap and you don't have insurance until february 1st, do you just hope you don't get injured in january? what do you do? >> i think i it matters -- it's
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different depending on who you are. if you're someone with a chronic condition, someone with expensive medication that goes to the doctor for a specific condition, that's very worrisome, and that's something you see the administration worried about. just yesterday the white house announced they would extend a program that covers about 100,000 high-risk people because they're worried about the situation micah brings up, that they won't get coverage until february. if you're someone who's rell thetively healthy who doesn't go to the doctor as much, more of the situation you mentioned. they might not worry as much about the gap, in fact, they might actually want to wait and skip a month of premiums to save a little bit of money. chronically-ill people this is really worrisome for. jenna: that's an interesting point. consumers do have some power, so it'll be interesting to see what choices they make. michael, micah, sarah, great to have you today. thank you all so much. >> thank you. jon: outrage expressed all around the country because of this teenager.
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ethan couch. a judge sentences him to no jail time at all after he killed four people. his lawyers blaming the manslaughter on the troubles associated with growing up rich. can this possibly be a real condition? we'll talk with a psychologist about this controversial case next. >> at the top of the hour, we're going to be talking about that too, is after affluenza a real ? dr. keith ablow has some thoughts on whether rich kids are so pampered, they can't be held l responsible. bill: and now we know the lie of the year, what's the biggest whopper you ever heard? you think about that. alisyn: oh, i will. bill: see you at the top of the hour.
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♪ ♪ jenna: well, a case of so-called affluenza creating a national cry for justice. a judge ruling that 16-year-old
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ethan couch is too privileged for jail and sentencing him to probation and counseling after he confessed to intoxication manslaughter for the june car crash that killed four people including beloved youth pastor brian jennings, mother and daughter holly and shelby boils and brianna mitchell. they were all standing outside their vehicles at the side of the road when couch struck and killed them. eric boils, the father and husband to holly and shelby, spoke out against the ruling. >> money always seems to keep ethan always out of trouble. this was one time i did ask the court that, for justice and that for money not to prevail. the facts and the events, it was difficult. but probably nothing more difficult than today. jenna: well, couch's lawyers arguing that the teen suffers from affluenza and that his parents are responsible for the
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tragedy. he says they raised him in a family so wealthy that he didn't realize his actions would have consequences. his attorney commending the judge. >> with we applaud judge boyd for having the courage to issue this sentence that's going to give ethan couch a chance to develop into a productive citizen and try to make amends for his actions. jenna: paging dr. chuck william, a trained adolescent psychotherapist and educational psychologist joins us now. you're the right person to talk to about this. >> jenna, thanks for having me. jenna: is affluenza a real thing? >> you know, i was thinking about this. this is the least amount of research i've ever done for a segment, you know why? because it's not a real thing. i couldn't go anywhere to look for theories, statistics, data. it's bogus, and it sends the
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absolute wrong message both to parents and kids, especially as we deal with what i see as a sort of problem with empathy or the lack thereof especially among our youth encouraged by parents who allow them to use excuses such as this. it is heinous and unconscionable, and i can't believe we're even talking about the fact that this is something that's real. jenna: one wonders now with this type of case if it will be used again. i'm sure it will. i'm sure this is not going to be the first or the last time we talk about it, dr. chuck. you know, it's interesting that this teenager was actually cited for alcohol possession in the months before he killed tease people, and his -- these people, and his apartments paid for his lawyer's services, and he was supposed to do community service, something like, you know, in that sort of vein. and one wonders about that argument, about whether or not a child that grows up in any sort of home even, you know, if they're wealthy, if that could explain their behavior and somehow get them off. what do you think about that?
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>> i think, jenna, we're talking about a major issue in our homes. this goes back to parents whether you're talking about flash mobs, the knockout game or affluenza. parents are responsible for setting boundaries and hims, for talking about morals, values, developing character in their children. when they don't do these things, then we have kids behaving badly. in this sense it's more than that. he killed four people. he should have to pay for that. what message are we sending to ethan when he kills four people? there's nothing more serious in our society, and his parents say we're going to get you off by saying you're too rich, you're too entitled, and you don't understand consequences, and you've not learned how to change or modify your behavior or to behave appropriately. it sends the absolute wrong message. here's the thing, if we can't hold the kids accountable which seems to be an issue sometimes in this country, then let's hold the parents accountable. so the kids have affluenza, what do the parents have in well, they have an abdication of their
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responsibility, they have not doing the right thing, so why don't we lock them up? jenna: let me ask you about it, because a lot of folks are talking about a double standard. if you group up in the the inner city, you're not going to get this argument, or maybe you were. what happens if you're extremely poor, your parents are not involved? in fact, they're on drugs, and you do something like this. some may use that as a way to explain your behavior, and one wonders if there's a double standard both ways. >> of course there is. i'm a black male from north philly, a troubled area in philadelphia. i grew up in foster care. but i'm sitting here today with a ph.d. on fox news during the day talking about a very important issue because i worked, and people held me accountable. nobody said, you know what, chuck? because you were poor and you grew up in a dysfunctional family, you can do whatever you want, and we're going to give you stuff and allow you to make excuses. no. in this country you work hard, you do well, and you're rewarded for it. conversely, if you do bad things and you hurt people, you maim
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them, you kill them, you're also held accountable for that. can i use the excuse of poorfluenza? if it can't be an excuse, then affluenza can't be an excuse. that's an excellent question because in my work on child welfare, we try to talk about the mitigating circumstances that poverty, the lack of parenting, growing up in neighborhoods that are ridden with violence and all kinds of economic struggles. you know what the system says? so what. that's not a mediating or mitigating circumstance. so why would we allow this rich, entitled kid in texas to get away with this? and this judge should be kicked off the bench, among other things. this is horrible. jenna: i think you're expressing the opinion of a lot of folks out there. by the way, i want to have you back on the program to talk about your story, because that's -- it sounds like it's a very interesting journey. you'll have to come back and share that with us, and we appreciate the time with you today. thank you for the perspective. >> thank you, jenna, as always. jon: good for him.
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well, he stood on stage with world leaders including president obama. now more shocking revelations about the man who's accused of faking sign language at nelson mandela's memorial. the serious criminal charges he's faced in the past. and is california ready for the big one? a new report has some dire warnings that los angeles could get wiped out. hi, i'm terry and i have diabetic nerve pain.
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jenna: quite a warning, imagine america losing los angeles. that's the claim of a leading earthquake expert saying california is not ready for a major quake, one that goes far beyond the devastating 1994 north ridge earthquake where we could see the loss of life and
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homes if and when a powerful earthquake rocked the san andreas fault. on the phone with us, a usgs science adviser and, lucy, but gave a lecture entitled imagine america without los angeles. why did you choose that title? >> well, the subtitle was natural disasters and the complexity of modern society. so we're not talking about killing everybody in los angeles. the life loss would probably be small. but our society's become increasingly complex and dependent upon the functioning of complex systems, electricity, water and now communication through the internet. and each time we make life better with modern society, we're increasing the vulnerability. and it has actually been 20 years since the last earthquake in the united states, north ridge, and -- [inaudible] worldwide web did not yet exist. and so think about everything about our economy that's
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dependent on that, and we really don't know how it's going to -- [inaudible] during a big earthquake. jenna: we're actually showing some amazing footage that we have from 1994. what is the scenario that you're projecting if an earthquake of this magnitude hit on the san andreas fault now? >> okay. so we're talking about the big san andreas earthquake -- [inaudible] and with strong ground motion more where -- [inaudible] north ridge was actually a near miss. the really strong ground motions were up in the mountains. so we are looking at what we call the shakeout scenario. we did the evaluation a few years ago, came up and said $200 billion in losses. doubling the costs of the event, but actually, that's the best case scenario. we're starting to understand how catastrophic events can affect modern society. we've got data now from new
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orleans, and in just seven years they've lost more out of lost economic output due to katrina than they lost in katrina itself. jenna: that's interesting context for us, lucy. we hope you come back on the program. i've always got my eye on earthquake news as do members of our team. lucy, great to have you back with us, thank you very much. and we'll have more "happening now" after a quick break.
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in the country. standing there is colonel mannion and admiral. he was the co note speaker last night and overall they do great work. and quickly want to tell you, in schools in the country, they go to schools and tell the children about one fallen hero and then the children take that story of the fallen hero and do service work in the name of that person. it is it a way to give back. travis mannion was famous for saying if not me then who? that is for all of us to think about service for the community. that is the sister of tra vis mannion who is part of the foundation. >> it was an amazingentious ven. check out the website travismannion.org. >> i would say. >> go navy and beat army.
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