hello, know, i'm dana perino. eric bolling, greg gutfeld and a special guest. it's 5:00 in new york city, and this is "the five." we are thrilled to welcome back one of our favorite people here on "the five," charles krauthammer is with us for the hour. "the new york times" best-selling author is here to talk about all of today's hot topics with us starting with this most fascinating new admission from barbara walters about president obama. >> you made so many promises, we thought that he was going to be -- i shouldn't say this at christmastime, but the next messiah. >> notice she said "we" thought he would be the next messiah

including herself. she also explained why she thought hope had faded. >> the whole obamacare or whatever you want to call it, affordable health act, it just hasn't worked for him, and he stumbled around on it. and people feel very disappointed because they expected more. >> and then she topped it off with this about why the president didn't make the cut for her most fascinating people this year. >> i thought that there were people who were if not the president, a little more interesting. >> all right. since we are very hospitable, we'll start with our guest here. charles, i wanted to ask you if you think that liberals need to be on some sort of national health plan for antidepressants after the year that they've had. >> well, i mean, it's remarkable that it would take half a decade for the veil to be lifted from her eyes. five years to realize the man isn't a messiah? i think it took some of us -- well, almost all of us, an hour

and a half to realize that he gives a good speech, but he's shown no aptitude at governing. so i'm glad that she's aboard, but she's a little late. >> you are making noises over here. >> while listening to her? yeah, she makes my skin crawl. no offense. but the fact is, she says he's not the messiah. don't blame him because he made it to the first part -- the first syllable, which is okay with me. mess. messiah. see, i did that. but i agree. i hate media-come-latelies. any objective, unbiased person saw this freight train of incompetence five years ago. so when you watch the media slam obama now, it's like watching a drunk denounce alcohol because it's run out. he's already been re-elected. it's pointless. now they're doing it? >> but not unrealistic for people to have hope. andrea, maybe it's the triumph of hope over experience. >> i just thought it was an interesting choice of pronoun,

"we" thought he was the messiah. who is the "we" there? the bulk of the mainstream media? and a messiah is somebody who saves. isn't that the definition? so what exactly was barbara hoping that he was going to save her from? or us from? i mean, if you look at the definition of liberalism, they believe they know better. so i guess they're saving us from ourselves and all of our bad choices. and dana, you asked if there's some kind of depression program for them. good news is yes, mental health is now covered under obamacare. so they can be treated if they can actually get coverage. >> the 2014 elections coming up next year, you think that could be an antidote to the depression? >> i think it will be. i think republicans should stay on it. here's the thing about that clip. to be honest, i hadn't seen it until just now. i can't believe how depressed she was. she was totally deflated. i can't believe obamacare didn't work. i can't believe president obama's not on my most fascinating list in 2013. >> that's how she normally looks, eric. >> really, she's -- she's shocked that it's not working.

but had she just listened -- by the way, is that journalism when you're that shocked that the president -- that you don't believe the president is -- it's not working? >> we're coming to you, bob, next. one of the other things she said is that expectations for president obama were too high. do you think the expectations were higher for president o than for other presidents? >> that's the key to politics, expectations. how do you manage expectations? of course, they were high, but they're high for most presidents coming into office. the other thing i'd say, after you take obamacare, which has yet to play out yet, this is a man who got us out of a war, pulled us out of a near depression. you guys are very easy to jump on him because of obamacare. i get back to my point. first of all, who cares what barbara walters thinks? she's been around too long. secondly, anybody who puts the most fascinating person that twerking prostitute, miley cyrus -- >> she didn't make it, though. >> who else did she put on the list? >> prince charles -- the baby, the royal baby. >> okay, good. >> how can a baby be f

fascinating? what has that baby done? >> who else is on the list? >> we'll get to that later in the show. >> the baby that sucks on the silver spoon. >> charles. charles in charge of "the five." >> the most fascinating people, that's good. >> because you brought up obamacare, i think that we should roll a little clip from some ads that the administration is using to try to sell obama da obamacare in an exchange with a reporter yesterday. ♪ you need that new health care ♪ ♪ sign up because it's hot ♪ kmabder in chief and i'm two terms strong plus i've got this health care which has got it going on ♪ >> i mean, is anybody going to buy health care because barack obreezy tells them? >> there are efforts under way to reach potential consumers where they live, if you will. >> charles, in your wildest dreams, in all the politics you've covered, did you ever think you'd see an ad like that to sell a presidential program? >> you start out as the messiah, you end up as break obreezey.

that's quite remarkable. look, i can understand how they think they were able to, by using media and contact and high-tech stuff, to reach and to get out the vote on everybody out there who is a potential democrat and succeeded in 2012. but a vote is free. it's quite different to go out and to purchase health insurance if you're young, healthy, invincible and you don't need it. and the premium is twice what it ought to be. so this idea that they have discovered a technique that will turn out the young, yes, if it's for something that costs you nothing, but it's not going to work for obamacare. and it is somewhat, maybe not degrading, but deflating for a president to end up as a rapper after he was -- you remember the convention in '08 in denver where he was surrounded by the roman pillars -- or were they greek? >> they might have been greek. >> i can't quite remember. >> andrea.

>> we have -- >> speaking of, here's something that you love. we were talking about the selling of obamacare. this was a little ad that they put out last night. it's called "get talking." and it's from barackobama.com. #gettalking. this is an image of a hipster wearing -- it seems like a onesie pajamas sipping on his hot chocolate and apparently -- >> it's chris hayes. >> apparently talking about obamacare. you didn't like this immediately last night. >> i'm embarrassed on behalf of the american male. i mean, first they fwaif gave u life of julia so young women can look forward to growing old with a cat and if we're lucky a vegetable garden and the government is the government male is a two-handed hot chocolate swelling man-child with footed pajamas. that is the message that the administration is trying to portray, right? the beta male who is a baby who needs the government. and i actually think it's pretty despicable. if i were guys, i'd be, like, this is not going to get me to purchase this. >> bob --

>> serious analysis here besides the ad. the turnout in an offyear, midterm election is about 50%, 60% of the presidential election. obama's real problem or the democrats' real problem is among that turnout figure among young people, it will be much lower. and that's going to be very dangerous. among hispanic, i'm not sure. but it may well fall off. and it always falls off among black voters. a lot of his base is going to be lower turnout. and i suspect the republicans, despite the fact they have nothing to say, nothing to offer except eric's idea, run on obamacare, run on obamacare. any party that's going to back its way into winning -- >> back? back its way, bob, president obama, "a," he's trying to rewrite the constitution. "b," they didn't do obamacare. >> they closed the deal. that was good. can you give me one thing they said -- >> on the republicans. >> would you tell me one thing they say? >> i hate being this far away from him, by the way. >> i'm sure charles loves being in the middle.

>> if a conservative group put together o'breezy, since it's one of the people on the left groups putting it together, it's cool. the other thing is, i've said it before, they're trying to market it with o'breezy, they're trying to market it with adam levinlev lady gaga. good products sell themselves. you know what they should do? they should advertise this at, like, 2:00 in the morning in the infomercials. maybe they'd sell a few. >> bob, i don't know what it's going to take for you to actually read something that would actually show you that the republicans have something. but could we agree that by monday, if you -- if i provide you a one-pager that you will read it and we can stop having this ridiculous conversation? >> if you're talking about all those crap bills that they

passed and that died, yeah, they did that but they're lousy bills, terrible bills. >> gre >> greg, do you want to defend the american male? >> there's a great thing going on right now. the efforts to sell obamacare have succeeded in doing to liberalism what the right could never do, and that is make it uncool. the whole thing stinks of dork. it's reasserting the idea of rugged individualism. a young man would look at this and say, that's not for me. i'm not going to suck on the teat of government. i'm going to go out as a young man and take risks with my life. you wouldn't see lee marvin or steve mcqueen in a onesie drinking hot chocolate. this is the quintessential beta male, the obama voter at his worst. by the way, you know, if the government -- if private sector had created obamacare, the government would try to bail it out. but how can the government bail out something it created itself?

it's basically asking a pit bull to perform an operation on his victim. >> the talking to the chair. it was inspiring. >> i have to agree with bob on one thing. and that is the big question is, what are the republicans going to do? my suggestion, very simple, nominate normal people. no witches. no creepy uncles. you've got a win here. you have a win. take it. just find agreeable, likeable people, and you're going to win. >> let me ask charles, i'll give you the last word with a question about young people because the democrats have been able to win young voters -- or get young voters to their side and to vote for them. maybe do they understand something about talking to people like that hipster in that commercial that maybe conservatives don't get? >> look, the younger natural constituency for liberalism is the perfect example of hope over experience because if you're young, you have no experience.

and most people, bob excluded, grow up, acquire experience and outgrow liberalism. and the problem the administration has is it stinks. the problem with obamacare is message. it's not the message. it's the substance. we had three years of arguments over it as a theory. it's now real. the policies are canceled. the premiums are doubled. everybody understands how the insurers have no leeway, and nobody has any choice. they're going to lose doctors and hospitals. the reality is there. there's no way that rhetoric can repeal reality, and that's why the democrats are headed south. >> all right. we have to leave it there because we have a whole hour to get to. some pop culture conversation when we come back. toronto's crack-smoking mayor shows off some dance moves at a holiday party, and lady gaga and christina performed on last night's finale of "the voice." we'll ask charles if he has any guilty pleasures when it coming to entertainment programming. ♪ jingle bell jingle bell jingle

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♪ you stole my feelings like i had none ♪ ♪ and ripped them away all right, it's fast, provocative and seven of the fastest minutes you'll spend all day. three stories, seven minutes, one host committed to making it pun. first up, guilty pleasures, we all have them for me, homeland, walking dead, football. for some like dana, it's the voice. and judging by this awesome duo with superstar lady gaga and arguably one of the best voices in the business, christina aguilera, i've got to say some darn good tv. ♪ do what you want what you want with my body ♪ ♪ do what you want what you want with my body ♪ ♪ do what you want ♪ what you want with my body ♪ what you want with my body ♪ you can have my heart ♪ you can use my body ♪ do what you want with my body ♪ >> all righty. we're going to get to dana in a

second. but charles, we're just sitting around, got nothing to watch, you ever flick on "the voice" and watch lady gaga and christina aguilera? >> we don't have stuff like this on "special report." did i wander into the wrong studio here? guilty pleasure watching "the five" when i'm in makeup. >> that's probably true. >> but i have incomprehensible pleasures, watching baseball. and after the off-season, which is endless and dark and cold, i watch spring training games. >> very good. very good. let's pass it around. you're a fan of "the voice." >> i like that show very much. i think the judges are fantastic. i love the chemistry amongst the judges. i like all of them individually, and i like them collectively. i thought they had great talent this year. but there was one problem for me with the finale. there was no country music star. and i just -- i just lost interest, kind of. >> your thoughts, greg? >> you know, i was looking at lady gaga and christina there, and i said exactly what the world needs, not one but two cats in a blender. the worst four minutes since the

1906 san francisco earthquake. the only way to make that thing worse is to make it longer. you've heard that before. >> you want to weigh in on this one? >> well, adam levine, it looks like he had a good night. his pick won. and she did a great job. she covered whitney houston, which is pretty tough to do. that's the one thing adam levine is good at, music and singing, not obamacare. i'm just shocked that greg isn't more of a devotee because adam's on the show. >> i know. >> we all want to know what bob's guilty pleasures are. >> do we? >> you really don't. they look like two people in a bad alley fight with knives, number one. what is that? lousy choreography. you couldn't understand the language. and who watches that crap? in the first place? >> millions. >> millions upon millions. >> well, good. >> only more people watch "the five." we've got to go. next up, lovable loser and crack-smoking mayor rob ford getting his twerk on in rob ford style. ♪ one love

♪ sing it ♪ one heart ♪ let's get together and feel all right ♪ ♪ i'm gonna sing it >> exactly. you've got to at least love this guy. >> you know what i realized? toronto, it's not a city, it's a one long office party. whenever we go to toronto, something is happening. people are getting knocked over. my take is he's really entertaining from far away. i don't want to be near him. >> did you see that girl? i think that's the girl he knocked over. >> this is an office party. >> he didn't knock her over. he was trying to help her get picked up. >> the holiday office party. >> you're right, eric. they had a screaming match on the floor. and then he had to apologize and say he was super, super, super sorry. >> good grief. >> someone better tell the mayor that dancing, blow and being heavy do not go together. ask chris farley. >> crack and that dude, the combination is waiting for a heart attack. >> well, he did say he only tried crack once. >> i mean, i've done both, and i

survived, but barely. >> charles, i don't know, the guy is making -- he's definitely getting a bigger and bigger brand. a year ago no one ever heard of this guy. now all of a sudden no one hasn't heard of him. >> i grew up in montreal. and at the time, this is 100 years ago, toronto was known as something else and extremely dull. i think it's improved. >> "duck dynasty," all the rage, phil robertson blowing off barbara walters' big finish, choosing duck hunting over her final fascinating person of the year. good for you, phil. phil saying i'd rather go duck hunting than hang out with barbara walters. >> god bless him. he ought to go shoot some ducks. the fact of the matter why would he want to go on that show with those people who are supposed to be fascinating? ducks are more fascinating than they are. and so he's gone out hunting ducks. i'm all for him. i congratulate him for standing

up for himself and saying no. >> what do you think? a lot of people watch that show. >> i think that's what makes him so fascinating. he's probably the only one that says i'd rather go duck hunting. mily cyrus is on her list. i guess twerking is fascinating. i don't know why you hate miley so much. it's your date every saturday night. your dates do the same thing. >> she used to be montana. my little daughter used to watch her. she was a nice littling little girl, a teenager, now she's turned into a quasi-hooker. >> your thoughts on phil robert. >> i go back to what i've said about this whole fascinating thing. i hate that word. people are not fascinating unless they work in a carnival. the bearded lady, fascinating. lizard man, fascinating. phenomenon. phenomenon is fascinating. but saying a person is fascinating is weird. i'm glad he went duck hunting. >> dana? >> i'm going to offer up a possibility. they're very smart. they're very good with pr. and it may have just been a way to get more attention for their event.

having him not go. >> the fastest seven minutes in television. >> isn't it great? >> faster than other seven minutes? >> that's a good point. it just feels faster. charles, your thoughts on the duck commander there. >> he's one exciting host. >> someone famously said never give up a chance to have sex or go on tv. looks like the robertsons don't read gorvidal. >> shoot. >> bob, bob, bob, be careful, bob. >> what? just because i agree with him? >> we know you agree with him, bob. we'll leave it there. coming up, "friends" star and recovering addict matthew perry blows up at a fellow guest during a conversation about drug abuse. >> what do you believe in this fantasy of addiction? >> i didn't come here to listen to ludicrous things like that either. you don't know what you're talking about. >> we'll find out what's got

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♪ i dropped my microphone, and it's off now. can you hear me? >> mm-hmm. >> all right. on bbc, matthew perry, i.e. chandler of "friends," tangled with a british journalist over drugs. peter hitchens thinks sympathy hurts drug abusers and that harsh penalties are the real answer. >> this is what you believe, this terrible threat that people cannot stop taking drugs. >> yeah. >> if you believe that, the best thing is they never came in contact with those drugs. >> of course. >> wouldn't it be wise to deter them by a stern criminal justice system which persuaded them it was unwise to take the drugs in the first place? >> cheerio. perry, a drug addict, got angry.

>> i asked you to come up with an objective -- >> i did, myself. >> that's not an objective diagnosis. yourself is the reverse of objective. >> myself and 10 million other alcoholics and addicts across america and across the world are having this problem. you're making a point that is ludicrous and saying that peter pan was real. >> you keep saying that. you cannot come up with an objective definition that people ever cease to be addicts if what you say is true. >> well, santa -- >> it's terribly clever, but this is a very serious subject, and you treat it with immense lowity. >> joked worked for chandler but not with matthew especially in a debate. no matter how much you like perry and hitchens' ruthlessness, perry needs to come with the facts. when someone asks for objective evidence, citing yourself is the opposite of objective and a

debate that plagues all arguments, not just ones about drugs. you know it's pointless when someone says, but it happened to me. i know. i was one. see jenny mccarthy, subjective experience is good but it ain't proof. the point of science is to override subjectivity like miracles, your personal experience must be verifiable. it doesn't mean you don't have answers. it just means you need the facts, too. perry's right. but the word "disease" bugs me for as the night winds down, i can throw my cocaine, my vodka, my rare german pornography out the window. i have. but you cannot do the same thing with cancer. that kind of disease rages independent of your choices. so dr. krauthammer, you're a psychiatrist. what is the research -- this is a very, very heated debate that's going on and has been going on for years. what does the research say about addiction as a disease? >> number one, i'm a psychiatrist in remission. doing very well. i haven't had a relapse in 25 years.

but when i practiced, i did do some work on depression. there's no question that there is a genetic correlation between depression, alcoholism and drug abuse, and it makes sense logically because alcoholism and drug abuse are ways of self-medicating. >> right. >> okay? and it's not only that you find the correlation but also there's a logic behind it. the question is, what percent or what degree? i think that's largely unknown. but clearly there's a genetic component, and clearly there is a behavioral one. and since we can't change the genetics, you want to change the behavior. >> what do you think, bob? >> you taking your point about using myself as an example, i will only say this. having been a recovering alcoholic and addict for a long time, i have looked at this carefully. >> right. >> there is a genetic predisposition. virtually all the people that i see in meetings have had alcoholics in their background. but beyond that, the famous twin studies where they take twins and split them up, and this is

the nurture versus nature and all that stuff. there now is a growing body of evidence that there is a genetic connection. i think it also is true that people who are depressed and do have a sense of doom in their lives fill that hole with something that numbs them. and the fastest medicine working in the world is alcohol or a very good snort of cocaine. >> see, that's experience i trust, though. when bob talks, i listen. >> is that a retroactive endorsement? >> no, it's not. i was trying to fill in your sort of analysis. >> i think it's true, though. i think bob's right, though. there is a genetic disposition, and there also is a behavioral component. >> can i just push back a little bit on both? how do you explain very, very young people with parents that aren't addicts becoming addicts? now, i would push back that they're depressed. i'm not sure, you know, if 13 or 14 -- sometimes 11-year-old can be depressed. maybe they can. maybe i'm wrong. and if you eliminate the dna

part of it, you're dealing with a young person who probably has been given it by a friend, and it was cool, and it was more social than like you said, genetic and/or solving a depression problem. >> clearly it can happen in the absence of any genetics. but i think the point that the science is making is simply that if you have a genetic history or you have even a history of depression, not just drug abuse, but let's say depression, you're more predisposed. and thus you will want, in raising a child, and with that history, you'd want to be all the more careful about exposing them to drugs or alcohol because of the predisposition that would suggest otherwise. >> the other thing, eric, these kids are surrounded by peer pressure and a lot of drugs around. very few of them, by definition, grow up from 11 years old and become full-blown addicts and alcoholics. a lot of them experiment when they're teenagers and give it up. most people like alcohol. a lot of it's consumed in college and shortly after that, and in their 30s they begin to

get away from it. >> hitchens makes this point that if this is so bad, you should stop the abuse by preventing them and putting them in jail. did that make sense to you at all? >> it didn't make sense. his argument didn't make sense. neither did matthew perry's who called for drug court. so he wanted to set up courts for people who commit crimes which are over half of crimes committed people are on hard drugs and then have magistrates act as the judge. >> reporter:ing drug guys who would be the judges in those courts. i'm not sure if that's going to be favorable. some are pretty tough. i also don't like that because then greg then is the rationale, if i want to commit a crime,ky get really high because then i get to go to the softy drug court. it also, i think, destigmatizes it where people will say yeah, he went out and robbed a bank after doing a bunch of blow. he was high so i guess he goes to drug court. i actually didn't think either one of them, even though they agreed preventing it in the first place made sense of what to do.

>> they're all constipated. >> that's why we left, bob. but dana, i want to congratulate you're two years sober off pixie sticks. >> it was difficult. diet coke was also hard. i think one of the reasons i never actually tried drugs is because i was worried about a predisposition in my own family history. >> way to throw your family under the bus. >> well, they're no longer living. >> oh. then you can't. >> so it's my own personal experience which was banned at the beginning of the segment so i'm done. >> groovy. ahead, the five of us are going to interrogate dr. krauthammer. he doesn't know the questions. can he handle it? you'll find out moments from now.

we're back with syndicated

columnist charles krauthammer, author of the number one "new york times" best-selling book, "things that matter." and by the way, the audio book goes on sale december 26th. now, it's time for us to ask the doctor some questions. so bob, you're up first. ask him anything. >> seriously, charles, you were a psychiatrist, are a psychiatrist, i guess. i read in your column, you sometimes refer to your psychiatric background when you're writing. how much of an impact did being a psychiatrist have on your writing? >> the answer, sadly, is none. people assume if you're a psychiatrist, you've got x-ray eyes like superman. in fact, there's no greater insight into normal human activity. what psychiatry does is it teaches you how to deal with people who are truly schizophrenic, psychotics, manic depressants, and you do a lot of good. but i never believed in as some analysis of ordinary human behavior, and that's one of the reasons i quit the field in the end. >> another psychology question for you, dr. krauthammer.

so there's this hot story in "the l.a. times" that's trending right now. and it has to do with relationships, either friend, romantic or otherwise. is it better to be right or better to be happy? what do you think? >> better to be right because right lasts. happiness does not. >> agreed. good thing i'm always right. >> that's right. >> me, too. >> and that was a nonpsychiatric opinion. >> okay. greg, you're up next. >> oh. what is -- this has been driving me crazy. you are a scientist. what is the science behind boredom? like how come you can listen to a song and love that song, and then a month later, you don't like it. the song doesn't change. but you change. it's the same thing with sweaters and with people. how come something, when it's new, it's great, but then the more you are around it, the worse it gets. it's something within you that changed. is it a chemical change? >> i doubt it. that's an interesting question

to which i have no answer. but on television, you never say i have no idea. i'll pretend i know the answer, which is it's a behavioral adaptation, and obviously if something is new, it can be interesting. and look, if you read a book as a child or as a young adolescent and you say it's the greatest thing ever and you read it in your 50s, your 40s and you say what kind of idiot was i? that's a universal experience. >> that will never happen when somebody reads your book. >> no, it will never happen. >> you still read "the hardy boys." >> the boredom thing, getting tired of something is maybe about you and me. >> wow! >> you're up. >> on sale in bookstores everywhere. >> it was just announced that you're number one "new york times" best-seller list for six weeks in a row. >> we said that three times. >> because it just got revealed in the commercial break. charles, i have a question. do you believe in new year's resolutions, and do you have any? >> yes. be concise. >> oh. oh, okay. >> very well.

is that what brett tells you on "special report"? >> that happened a couple years ago. i was asked that on new year's eve. and i knew that we had 30 seconds left. and i'm always getting shouted at in my ear by our producer because i'm loquacious on "special report." so i was asked that exactly. and i said, be concise, and i left 20 seconds of dead air. >> perfect. >> that leaves me. charles, you're a theologian. so there's a lot of discussion about whether santa claus -- >> board-certified theologian. >> santa claus, by definition, does he have to be christian? >> well, as a jew, i recuse myself on this. >> good answer. >> outside of my area of expertise. but i've heard about him, and i understand he's a fat man with a red suit, reindeer. >> there's been much controversy about him lately. >> see. >> stop at your house this year. still ahead, some very

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♪ lady gaga. yesterday we brought you the story of christian coptics in egypt. a member of the royal family presented a much darker vision about the future of christians across the entire middle east. some straight talk from prince charles. >> it seems to me that we cannot ignore the fact that christians in the middle east are increasingly being deliberately targeted by fundamentalist islamist militants. christianity was literally born in the middle east, and we must not forget our middle eastern brothers and sisters in christ. >> you know, i think it's something i feel very strongly about. i'm going to start with you, charles. there has been virtually no effort on the part of the muslim governments to try to protect

christians, very little. you almost wonder whether they're complicit in all this. and maybe the idea is to drive christians just out of the middle east. >> i think that is true. this is sort of a recapitulation of what happened in the middle east 60 years ago where jews who lived in iraq, baghdad, egypt for over 2,000 years were driven out. and this is another example of this sort of exclusion or ethnic cleansing of anything that is not muslim on the part of radical islamists, i'm encouraged that you would hear that from a british royal because you haven't been hearing it often enough and clearly enough. >> you're correct. >> from our administration. and you would expect that from a country that has the statue of liberty in new york harbor and that has religious freedom as the essence of the first amendment. >> just the silence across the land. i mean, not only the united states. >> this administration. this administration has been disgraceful in that. >> it really is disgraceful. eric, you want to weigh in on this? >> just briefly, last night, andrea asked me the same

question. should we look at the obama administration's failure from coming out more aggressively against this type of practice? i said, ang, i don't want to go there. let's talk about i don't want t there, let's talk about decades of persecution of christians. people on twitter were attacking me. i don't think it is the right thing to do now. i'm not saying they are doing too much or enough, but i think this is a bigger picture. i think the world, not just the u.s., like the royals, have to get involved, really come down hard on the countries doing this and -- like you said, bob, last night, pull some aid from the u.s. >> can i let these people say anything or are they going to be muted? >> i would say that prince charles was speaking like somebody who wants and deserves to be a king. >> interesting. >> isn't it? >> particularly the british

history in the middle east. i must say there is some suspect about the british royalty and their actions at least in the '40s and '50s. >> i have a hard time agreeing with him because his input on climate science, he's an imbis you'll. but why christianity is disappearing, muslims are still making babies and the rest of us are making kale chips. islam is becoming more fundamental. >> andrea, they are orthodox christians, they are share a pope. and i didn't know this the copts have a little boy pick out the pope if they get down to the choice of three people who made the cut. like in baseball, they made the cut. what do you think here? is this something just or daned to happen and -- ordained or should we give up it on.

>> islamists, since the day of old, if you are ruled by the muslims, that is the ultimate goal. and christianity is started to diminish and in the youran and if you -- the koran, they talk about this. when radicals are dominated and outnumbered, they are more dos ill. and now they are not and they are going on the offense. and my point is the administration is not doing anything, they are enabling and helping the jihadist rising up. >> and of course i don't agree with that but i agree that one more thing is up next.

back for one more thing.

i'll go quickly because we have more people. kimberly guilfoyle, the -- is addressing some ear, nose and throat problems, so you are in our thoughts and prayers and we all wish you well. now we'll go to our special guest, charles. >> the bomb scare at harvard, apparently they got a confession who had a final exam. i'll preface this by saying it is a terrible thing. you should never call in a bomb scare. people could get hurt so don't try it at home. but have any of us not have the fantasy of having a final exam and a bomb scare canceling. it reminds me of a movie called hope and glory about how through a child's eyes the summer of the blitz in london and he has a wonderful summer and when he

arrives back to school and a german airplane appears overhead and look at what happens. >> it was a bomb. thank you [ inaudible ]. >> bob. >> i would use a cherry bomb in my toilet in the college. >> this morning. >> it was actually on the second floor. >> it wasn't as scary. >> i tried to clarify his relationship with walter mondale because he used to work with mondale and i wanted to disspell some of the notions. can we bring up the poster. charles was very upfront for mondale and i thought this was appropriate to bring it back up because let me say again, he had nothing to do with the '84 campaign, he didn't get involved in 1980, but before '88 got some

strategy notes from someone named derrick hammer krauth. and 49 states later -- no, i'm just kidding. >> that was a hammer krauth? >> yes. >> i want to say hello to orlando for saving his owners life. the black labrador retriever jumped on a subway track and tried to pull his blind owner who lost consciousness and tumbled and survived. and i love black labs. and here is my black lab. supercute. we miss her every day. and last night i asked for ideas for secret santa. the first was born, get yourself booze if you are going to sit

next to beckel every day. and julie is member of the month. get bob a picture of jasper and get bob a copy of the atlas road and the constitution. and the last one -- >> thank you very much. >> some victoria secret gift certificates. i said my wife is in the audience right now, what is wrong with you. >> what is wrong with you people? or what is right with you people. >> i have a banned phrase but i don't like it now. >> well you only have 20 seconds. >> so i'll come up with another one tomorrow. >> but, charles, you can't leave us with 15 seconds of dead air. >> or can i? >> thanks so much for joining us tonight. don't forget it's thursday, december 19th. a warning for shoppers across the country. the fbi now investigating possible security breach at one

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you're watching "fox & friends first." >> thank you for starting your day with us. a fox news alert. credit card numbers belonging to millions of criminals at target stores. they had a data breech involving credit and debit cards on black friday. the crooks may have accessed the software installed on the credit card swiping machine. >> based on the information we have the actual payment software was hacked with a piece of mal we wear or some other kind of security breech in the credit card processing itself. that's not very common. >> it is unclear how many were impacted by the breech. no comment from target. they add vise customers to scan their accounts for unauthorized transactions or changes to their pin numbers. a