presidential candidate mitt romney will discuss obamacare. terrorism in russia ahead of the olympics. remember he headed up to salt lake city games. interview with chris. thanks for inviting us into your home tonight. that's it for this "special report," fair balanced and unafraid. >> okay. i'm going to let new on a little secret. as a lawyer, no matter how strong my case might be, i really can't think of anything worse than being up against an opponent named little sisters of the poor. that is everyone lawyer's worst nightmare. and now it's president obama's reality. little sisters of the poor. now the president does have 11 states attorneys general breathing down his neck at least that's a fair fight. allen west joins us. good evening. >> good evening, greta. >> happy new year to you. involving the nuns, every lawyer's worst nightmare to be up against nuns. i want to talk about instead the 11 attorneys general who

have written a secretary to kathleen sebelius about president obama overreaching. what do you think? >> well, they have to be very concerned down at the state level because what they are looking at is a president who once said that people had junk plans. and they were not in concert with the mandates of obamacare and the laws that they had established. and those plans had to be cancelled. but then, because of political pressure, i would say, the president comes back and says that those plans now can be reimplemented. that causes a lot of consternation down to the state level when you look at the state insurance commissioners and those, and the real crux of the matter is for these 11 attorneys general they are seeing executive branch that is really going back b. and changing law just based upon their own, really whims. and you cannot have a separation of powers, coequal branches of government that way. if there is to be a legislative change to an established law, there has to go back through congress, and that's really what these attorneys general are making

a complaint about. >> you know, we had attorney general greg abbot on from texas last night. here is the problem is that, you know, they all talk a big talk and they all say the president is doing this horrible thing. he is going beyond his political power. all i see he are these letters that get passed back and forth whether it's from capitol hill to h.h.s. secretary or state attorneys general are they really going to take any action or not? >> well, they have to. because, if they don't take any action. >> how? >> establish a very horrible precedent. well, you know, one of the things that you have to look at is whether or not they can go back and challenge this based upon a very anyone possibility of nullification. using the ninth and tenth amendments of the constitution they're not going to follow. this and not going to go along with people changing law in the executive branch instead of upholding and defending and executing those laws. this is a real constitutional crisis that we see happening in the united states of america. >> i have never seen such a

slow response for some that deeply believe the president has exceeded his authority no longer executing the law but legislating which is the responsibility of congress. whatever. we will see if the state attorneys general go beyond writing a letter. meme ask you something else though. when the bipartisanship budget act of 2013 was passed that happened just before christmas, we learned that one of the groups getting partial ax to retirement benefits in that new budget ax are our military vets. of course, that's distressing to many americans. but today house oversight committee chair darrell issa introducing a bill would end delivery of mail on saturday instead of cutting benefits for military veterans. is that the answer and a good one and is now the post office, are those postal workers in essence going to take a cut? >> first of all, i think that's a pretty easy way out to say we are going to cancel the service on saturdays. when you are talking about the military retirees and also the medically retired individuals, that's not a lot of people but we have made a promise to those people and i just happen to be one of those individuals.

i think that when you look at the wasteful spending up there in washington, d.c., senator jeff sessions brought up an amendment over in the senate to close tax loopholes for illegal immigrants and harry reid refused to do that you had senator tom coburn on who articulated his government waste book. $33 million of wasteful spending and you still have that gao report from 2011 that has $200 billion of redundant and do you politic duplicative programs. >> you found waste in the pentagon two months into the first term and got everybody to sign on with you to collect it or to keep it from being spent. i'm totally with you on that. senator tom coalburn. why is there appetite to spend that appetite to cut the postal workers. taking their money to pay the military. there is plenty of waste and fraud. where is the appetite to go get it? >> well, i think it comes back to a lack of leadership up there on capitol hill. they are always looking for the low hanging fruit. as a matter of fact, instead

of going after people who have given 20 must years lives and service to this nation. look at their own which katie couric kick in five to six years of service and even after the member has passed away it goes to their spouse. so there is a lot of other tough decisions that they can make and it will require a lot of hard work instead of like i have just seen chairman issa do go for the low hanging fruit. i'm sorry, that just is not acceptable to now try to punish the american people, to punish the postal workers instead of doing the job that you should do is cut the waste, cut the fraud, cut the abuse of the american taxpayer dollar. >> and sort of hold your breath waiting for that one to happen. let me ask you about something else which is enormously distressing but maybe not shocking piece of news today. an associated press poll showing a majority of americans, 54% believe the u.s. will be on a downward spiral until the year 2050. your thoughts? >> well, that comes from one simple thing and it transition from our last

little segment. there is a lack of inspirational visionary leadership in the united states of america. there is no one that is putting out a positive message about this great nation, talking about the resurgence and the recommitment to our, you know, constitutional republican values, which is so important. you know, when you look at president obama, he is someone who has lost credibility. he has lost trust. he has lost confidence. who would have ever thought that we would have a president of the united states of america that was awarded the lie of the year in 2013. so, that's very damaging for him. but then on the republican side, as you just brought up chairman issa, looking for the low hanging fruit instead of coming out and making the hard decisions. so we need to have some committed leaders, not self-interest. not special interest, and that's why a lot of people here in the united states of america really concerned about we're going to pass on to our children and grandchildren. >> you talk about inspiration. and i actually think that's a very powerful weapon and very important weapon to get the country going. whether economically or just, you know, in terms of our working together. when president obama ran for

office, he used to be able to draw crowds of 90,000. inspiration was his most powerful tool. he had it within his hands. what happened? >> that was false charisma. that was really someone that was telling people what he thought they wanted to hear. and not what they needed to hear. that's the difference between a politician and a statesman. a statesman is going to tell you what you need to hear. just the same as in the military. if you are going into a combat operation, you are going to inspire those young men and those young women to get out there and fight hard and train them very hard and tell them the truth. you're going to make sure that they come back home to their families and what have you. that's what we need. we need someone that says we're not down in this country. when you look at the resurgence of al qaeda. when you look at our economic situation. the unemployment, when you look at the failures of this affordable care act. obamacare because they are nowhere near the numbers that they need. this is where you need leadership to step up. leadership that could convey a true principled message and then have the policies to support that principled

message. >> all right. off the top of your head, who right now living politician do you consider a statesman over a politician? >> very few. and i will tell you that. >> give me at least one name. there has got to be someone. >> no. greta, i have to be very honest. i mean, i don't see the person -- you know, when i look at a principled leader, i'm talking about someone such as ronald reagan when he stood at the brandenburg gate and said mr. gorbachev tear down this wall. i'm looking at someone who can sit across from our enemies and make them fear and respect who we're and go out with conviction and tell the american people that our better days ahead of us and not behind. congressman, nice to see you sirs. >> always a pleasure, greta. thank you. >> up necessary, i'm going to go off-the-record. i don't know but. i'm sick and tired of some people. who might that be? well, that's after the break. plus, the little sisters of the poor. the nuns, taking on president obama. all the way to the supreme

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okay. let's go off-the-record for just a minute. we just talked about the a 4% who think we are on a downward spiral. many wonder why do some young people feel unspider and even reckless about responsibility? well, have you ever stopped to think about the message we send them? and, in particular, the message from role models? here are a cup peel recent samples. a law school graduate illegalfully country, yes, violating the law was granted a license to practice law in california by the state supreme court. now, that's a new twist on a lawyer understanding a client be a law violater too. that's no message to send young people. then there is congressman rye del. he got caught buying cocaine. he didn't resign after his arrest and conviction. instead, is he returning to congress next week to vote thinks those laws even apply to him. what message is congressman radel accepting to young people. try not to get caught and if you do it doesn't matter especially if you are a congressman. how about director of

national intelligence james clapper. he testified before congress, told a lie and it was a whopper. and what happened? nothing. absolutely nothing. not even a grand jury investigation for him. he gets a complete pass for lying to congress. what's the message to young people? lying is okay if you are a big shot? lie something only bad if you are not? so my thought: if you are tough on the young, you might want to lighten up. they seem only to be imitating what they see. and that's my off-the-record comment tonight. if you have an important story or issue you think i should take off-the-record go, to gretawire.com and tell us about it. and now to the latest and toughest legal opponent the president will ever face. the nuns. the little sisters of the poor. they're furious at the president over the obamacare birth control mandate. just before my night on december 31st, the nuns persuaded supreme court justice sotomayor block temporarily. today the administration firing back at the nuns asking the supreme court to lift that temporary block on

the birth control mandate saying it wasn't necessary. that didn't stop the nuns from firing back at the president. the lawyer for the nuns insisting the obama administration is trying to bully nun into violating their religious beliefs. joining us a lawyer for the little sisters for the poor daniel. nice to have you back. >> thanks. nice to be here. >> i sorted through the pleadings today much of the afternoon. here is what i don't understand. i thought you won before you even started. it seemed to me all the nuns had to do sign a certificate nonprofit. against their religious beliefs and then they didn't have to pay it. >> you know, it comes down to the fine print. in this course with lawyers, that's the way it would be. if you look at the fine print on this form that the government wants the little sisters to sign. the fine print says three things. one, when i give this to you, to my insurer, you have my permission to do the thing that i think is wrong on my behalf. two, you must do that thing on my behalf. and three the government is going to pay you to do the thing on my behalf that i think shouldn't be done. >> my understanding, i'm

totally confused because as i understand the nuns are self-insured and they have someone administer the program who are the christian brothers who are not going to be out there, the christian brothers themselves which is a catholic order. they are not going to be out there selling insurance with contraception, at least i assume or administering it. >> that's what is so crazy here. because the government is saying you have to sign this form. you must do it. and we'll fine you millions of dollars if you don't sign this form that's an abortion permission form. >> but if they do sign it, don't the nuns and the christian brothers, aren't they exempted? don't they have a waiver from this. >> no. if they sign that form that is a legal permission slip. >> giving permission to who to have an abortion or who to have contraception? >> it's giving permission to their insurance provider. >> which is christian brothers? >> not just christian brothers. not just christian brothers. >> they have a second one? >> they do. well, they may. you might be surprised. it's complicated with the obamacare law, but the christian brothers are a primary healthcare provider, but there is also another

entity out there that provides the prescription drugs, and so this would cover the morning after pill, the plan b. >> that's a non-catholic based insurance company or administrator? >> exactly. >> that's what the attention is on. >> that's. >> they're not worried about christian brothers. >> that's part of the concern. let's step back. let's say the christian brothers. only the christian brothers out there who gets this form. that's it. well, they are still signing a form it's a lie. >> saying what? >> signing a form saying i'm giving permission abortion pills to my employees. >> are you saying if the christian brothers -- if they signed it and it the christian brothers went rogue, using that term. the christian brothers could then go out and sell insurance or administer insurance with abortion or with contraceptive which would be -- which would be against -- what the nuns don't want is that what you are saying? >> yeah, they could. ifthey are giving permission to do that. >> no way to bind their administrator from doing this with someone else? >> they are signing off that permission slip. they are signing it away. it's a bank slip.

they don't have control over it afterwards. say even if the christian brothers don't do anything with it. we don't think they would, the sisters shouldn't be forced to sign off their conscience to subrogate their conscience to someone else. they don't want to sign a form that's a lifetime achievement you were just talking a second ago about the examples that we set to young people. about standing up -- >> -- i think i'm getting boxed in but go ahead. >> standing up for things that you think are true and you think are right. and not saying things that are a lie. they are signing this form, it's a lie. it's saying i give you permission to do something that's wrong. >> could the form be written differently sign this exempt from it so they could let those who want to do it go do it and they don't have to do it? >> that brings up another great point there are people exempted from, this right in the catholic bishops are exempted. the catholic nuns aren't. >> i don't like. nuns aren't exempted and the bishops? >> that's right. let's say we being take the little sisters to the poor. take their ministry to the poor 175 years and gave it

over to the catholic bishops. gave the keys to it, everything would remain exactly the same, it's just in the catholic bishop's name, do you know what the obama administration would say then it's exempt. you don't have to sign a piece of paper. >> i don't understand. we have to do this another time because i'm running out of time. i don't understand why the bishops are exempt and the nuns aren't. >> it doesn't make since. >> daniel, thanks very much. now imagine this, how would you like to get a half a million dollars to update your social media profile. that's what the justice department is doing spending 944,000 to enhance company profile on linked. in you heard right. the doj will pay a government it company to upgrade. access to linked in 250 million users. why do they want that? the justice department says its criminal division will use linked in recruit tore job adds and seek out potential employees. you be the judge. is this a smart use of taxpayer money or is this

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a bizarre mystery unfolding in michigan. at the center of it a world famous gospel singer and a female doctor. the doctor vanished a month ago and now the singer claims the doctor was stalking him before she disappeared. for the latest on this case news director john mcneil joins us. john, who is this doctor? when she d. she vanish and what in the world going on? >> that's the million-dollar question at this point. we really don't know. there is a lot we don't

know. there is a lot we do know. what we do know is she disappeared on december 5th leaving behind her phone and her purse and she tried to leave behind her car, too. but when she was denied access to a local motel because she didn't have enough money, she left town in her car and was heading west towards chicago when her car went off the road in porter, indiana, and that was the last physical trace of her. state police impounded her car. it wasn't discovered by local police here that it had been impounded in indiana for five days. the trail had gone pretty cold by then. they asked search in indiana but they didn't find anything. they found her wallet in the car though and some items of clothing and she just hasn't been seen since. >> what's the story on the gospel singer, the stalking the gospel singer and the videos? >> that came -- we learned about that much later. we have learned about that in the last couple of days, in fact, apparently she had been sending him messages for over a year even as she

was a student in lominda, california. it's believed at least her husband suspects, her ex-husband suspects that she took the internship in kalamazoo to be closer to marvin sap. who is a grammy nominated gospel singer who has a large congregation in michigan. she joined his church. she contacted his kids. she showed up at his house one day. he sought a personal protection order from the court and got it it the judge felt that she was stalking him but she has never been charged with that what we found a couple weeks ago was a couple videos made on youtube made to a mystery man. i believe you have sample of some of those videos there. >> yes, we do. ♪ good night. it's teleka. i am just coming to you to say hi.

and be just to tell you about my day. >> she is seen making meals for him, describing her day at work, singing to him. blowing kisses. but she never identifies who she is talking to in the video. >> that's indeed very strange. and we put the video up hoping if anyone has seen this woman, you know, to call. obviously she is also a little bit troubled. continue to follow it john, thank you very much for joining us. >> you're welcome. >> coming up, well, this is 100% certain. the 2014 midterm elections. well, it's going to be a sizzler. don't believe me? well, "american idol" first runner-up clay aiken, is he going to congress? stick around. plus a new obamacare rule. one that will have you asking who came one this idea? worse did, we may for someone to come up with it? you are going to hear from outraged business owner coming up.n

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now get ready to speed read your way through the news. first to california, the judge says the mother of a brain dead teen can move her daughter to a different hospital but the mother must assume full responsibility for that move. mcmath has been on a ventilator for almost a month after complications from a tonsillectomy. have her transferred in the hospital in oakland. the mcmath family getting some help from the family of terry schiavo. she was at the center of a right to die battle. that struggle ended in 2005 when schiavo's husband removed her feeding tube over her parents' objections. and now to that dangerous deadly winters storm. the snow storm has been blamed for 13 deaths, mostly from traffic accidents. the storm dumped heavy snow from the midwest to the northeast, closing highways and canceling thousands of flights. and now, to good news for football fans. there will be no local tv blackouts of this weekend's playoff games. in indianapolis, cincinnati,

and green bay. and just a short time ago the teams announcing that all the remaining tickets have been sold. the packers say fans and corporate sponsors bought the last 1,000 tickets and cincinnati grocery chain bought the coltsment remaining. cincinnati another grocery chain and proctor and imammable bought the last tickets. playoff back blackout would have been the first in 12 years. ouch. florida, lion on the loose. a lion escaped her pen at a wildlife sanctuary. after a search, the female lion was found within the sanctuary grounds. she hadn't gotten very far. and now well, she is taking a cat nap to recover from her adventure and that's tonight's speed read. okay. this is fuzzy math or not? the obama administration is boasting today about the number two change how many people who have signed up for obamacare think about it how many of those 200 plus enrollees were forced to sign up only after their old policies that they actually

would like were cancelled. should the obama administration count them as they boast about the numbers? bob cusack the washington examiner fuzzy math or what? >> definite there seems that way. there are at least five or six million cancellations. what we don't know is how many of those cancellations actually have their plans expire on december 31st. if you think the majority. so right now what i have heard at least from some healthcare industry sources that they were expecting a deficit of people on their plan january 1st. again, they are still shuffling threw, sorting out who is actually enrolled and who is not. so we don't really know for sure. if you do the math it, seems they have not had what their goals are. kathleen sebelius said their goal was 2.3 million; they are at 2 million. don't even know if they signed up. not even at 60% of their goal. by anyone's book i think that would be a failing grade. >> something about being forced off your policy you

might have liked so then you are forced to sign up and they say ha ha it's good you signed up. >> that was the goal. that's the reason for the 10 essential benefits in the healthcare law. it was to make sure that the old plans were no longer valid. >> some were bad. some of the old plans were really lousy. >> catastrophic. people found out they were not covered. my cap is $20,000. that's true. all those folks are now supposed to sign up for the new healthcare law. you have to ask is that a good thing or bad thing if they are signed up. certainly what the health insurance companies need. those are the folks they want. they want the people who don't have preexisting conditions because they already had healthcare policies. and they want people who are young, healthy, these are the customers they need to help sustain their profits. their viability. so, in a way, it would be a good thing. however, we don't know that number. we don't know how many of them are signed up or if we -- you know, we know we have a deaf -- deficit have health insurance going into

2014. that's a serious problem. >> does that include medicaid additions or not? >> that i think, includes it all. they keep counting it all. one of the things that the house republicans is doing a lot of information we don't know. young enrollees we have no idea these people who got their plans cancelled. kind of a shrewd move, a bill will be on the floor that will say you have got to release this information. we need to know these details. >> medicaid makes a difference too. if they're medicaid they are not going to be paying if thee enrolled in these programs. >> medicaid is a big part of the expansion of the law. administration knew there was a bit of a stigma when you sign up for medicaid. they were making the case listen, you are covered, you are covered. you have a better plan than you had before. people wanted these plans they signed up voluntarily for these plans and these plans in all likelihood are less expensive than what they're pay for now. >> and they don't cost the taxpayer. if it's mostly medicaid that he would talking about, we are not getting the paying people that we need. >> that's what. >> to sustain the law.

>> that's my point who is in this 2 million people. who is paying? but i guess we will find out if that law is passed. >> it passed the house. >> just when you thought the glitches could not get worse. a new problem with healthcare.gov popped up. turns out the web site cannot handle updates for common life changes like baby births, marriages, or new jobs. so now what, john? suppose during the course of the year someone has a baby. do you add the baby to your healthcare? >> there is just some crazy process you have to go through. again, it's why people hate this law. not something making them pay more which is annoying enough. dmv experience bureaucratic nightmare of making a simple change. i think that's really the problem. bad enough taking their money, it's even worse taking their time. >> is that just the aches and pains, susan of a new program or are these like fatal defects? >> added together they can be. because already you are losing people. you are losing interest. you are losing the patience of people that you need to sign up for this.

this adds to that people say i can't get my kids signed up. i tried 10 times. i have to go to work. that's another lost customer. secondly, what makes this, i think, real problematic is i believe that people will end up getting some kind of retroactive coverage that the obama administration will heavily encourage the insurance companies to give. again, putting them on the hook for expenses they didn't count on. that's dangerous to a company. >> if they do that they will pick that up in the rate increases next year. if the obama administration forces them to do retroactive because of all the messups, next year when we get the rates it's going to be sticker shot. >> intobleg position. that's where the web site still has its flaws but we are going into primary care problems whether it's a hassle not being on the phone very long and have a plan. i thought i signed up and there is going to be fraud mere. there is no doubt about it. the one to watch.

>> we have always had that. >> always fraud. >> obama care is never dull. that's for sure. everyone is talking about this one. that's former american idol finalist clay aiken may be running for congress. the singer is reportedly running for north carolina second congressional district. bob, are we going to have an "american idol" likely in congress? >> absolutely not. in all likelihood this guy is not going to win. it's a conservative leaping district. incumbents are very difficult to beat in congress. even though everyone hates congress. a% 95% of incumbents come back. if aiken launches a bid it will be entertaining. >> the district went by double digits for republicans in the presidential elections that owe obama won in 2008 and 2012. even in a good democratic year this district simply isn't going to go democratic unless there is some huge scandal. i think, if anything, this is probably more of a vanity candidacy someone who wants to get their name back in the news. >> susan, is it possible

that he is being encouraged by the democratic party? >> oh, i think it's highly likely. met with democratic consultants. he has talked to the fundraising arm. it's an uphill climb given the nature of the district. but he has won half the battle. he has name recognition and the current incomer is facing challenges from the right that could drain some of the funding that she would need to face someone in a general primary fight. so, she could end up, you know, a primary battle can really hurt general election candidates. >> how about any other celebrities? >> they don't usually run. al franken is the exception. arnold in california. when they look into it, number one, there is not a lot of money into it compared to what they're already making. number two, they would be a freshman in congress. look at ashley judd, she didn't decide to challenge mitch mcconnell. >> the halls are full of celebrity in congress. a lot of the them are sports celebrities. they are former athletes.

we have had fred thompson, fred grande, arnold schwarzenegger. p.k. the governor of bridge water, connecticut. >> i saw some rumors about donald trump, could he be governor of new york. >> highly unlikely but it would be entertaining election to watch. >> we don't root root. >> i think it would be great in a midterm election. i'm actually excited for it. >> it's been flip. that's the question. >> panel, hope you come back. straight ahead. 50 shades of confusion. americans from coast to coast running into all kinds of problems as obamacare fully kicks. in what are the biggest frustrations? is your state the most frustrated or the least? you are about to find out. also, governor chris christie and his new jersey pal senator cory booker both burning up twitter on this cold snowy day. that's not all senator booker is doing. that's next. ♪

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coast-to-coast revision. frustration for americans all 50 states from north carolina with more than a hundred thousand state workers still do not have insurance cards. to minnesota where the average wait time for a phone call to enroll is one hour and 13 minutes to. california where thousands of paper applications, they are still being processed. the national review's jim joins us. good to see you jim. >> thanks for having me. >> how is oregon doing. >> i thought about setting up brackets of all 50 states narrowing down the absolute worst and frustrated state for dealing with healthcare exchanges. oregon would definitely be one of the top seeds. >> why? >> not only has the state web site failed to work in its entirety. they have not managed to sign up anyone online sing

now. acid trip. just basically sending people to a web site that does not work. didn't work on october 1st. didn't work november 1st. and still isn't working today. they are having to do everything through paper application undoubtedly that works a whole lot slower. >> that's awful. >> yes. the ad is terrible and the system is terrible. what's also really folks who think they have done everything correctly. they have sent in the forms. they are waiting for the bill, how do they pay for it? they haven't gotten their card yet. they think they have insurance. they are not sure they have insurance. they hope they don't get hit by a bus and have to go to a hospital tomorrow or something like that. flu season is coming in. >> rest of us are going to stay home and don't play with any knives. >> like charlie brown next to the mailbox. hoping march that insurance card come through. that's the problem you see local coverage of how january 1st changes have gone in.

>> how about tennessee? >> tennessee really kind of fascinating example of the economic effect of obamacare. as you know, if you are an employer, you have to provide health insurance for all of your employees if you have more than 50 employees for more than 30 hours a week. 11 school districts in the state of tennessee according to lamar alexander are shortening the number of hours of their substitute teachers because they don't want to have to get into this. nice example of unforeseen consequences of this. volunteer firehouses still waiting for the irs volunteer is considered employee under the rules of obamacare. can you imagine being a teacher saying okay, can we have somebody work that day? have them leave at 2:00 instead of 3:00 because we don't want them hitting 30 hours a week. unforeseen consequence style headache of this. >> minnesota? >> minnesota, first of all the web site was down again thursday. maybe that relates to the really awful weather we have had in some sort of key

server froze. >> i can go to amazon and shop site has had these problems. the average wait time was 76 minutes, which means obviously some folks are having less and some folks are having more. most people who are trying to get insurance have had all the problems with the web site so far you don't have hour 15 minutes sitting on that person antidotally facebook comments not happy when they get through the kind of information they have. the navigators, expertise, things like that. >> california? >> california, where to begin with california? probably the most interesting example is that they just found out they don't have enough money to keep the exchange going beyond 2015. these states didn't set up their exchanges based on their own money. the federal government gave them oodles and oodles of money. in the case of california roughly a billion. seeing another fantastic one of those ads out there in california. but this one basically they realize it's not going to be self-sufficient starting in

2015. plan through their exchange. chances are those fees are going to group even higher. once again this is something you are legally required to purchase or pay a tax 1% of your income this year. 2% next year. 4% after that. >> what a grim report. that's just, 1, 2, 3, 4. just made it through four states and many more states. >> 27 part series we will be working on here. >> that's right. this is going to be a marathon. do it all weekend lock. anyway, jim, thank you. >> always enjoy it thanks. president obama wanted to -- in order to give every american access to healthcare, so answer this: why does obamacare require vending machines to post calorie count? what does that have to do with access? our next calls this insanity. is he a vending machine business owner. senator rand paul will be making a big announcement. that's tonight 10:00 p.m. on hannity.

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put another industry out of business? find out why the vending machine you count on four your midday snack may be risk. that's next.

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>> hi, greta, how are you? >> good. what do you think about this regulation? >> simply it's insane. that's all i can say it makes absolutely no sense why they would force small businesses like mine to post calorie counts. i believe it's a very good thing to have the calorie counts and people should know what they are buying. information is very good. why don't they make the manufacturers post it on the label. they are much larger company. fruit toe lay, coca cola, pepsi-cola, they can afford it far more than any vending company could. half of them have it on their packaging already. i don't know why they push it on us. >> probably they have a lot of big lobbyists get underneath that i understand could of thing that would make since if you are going to do it. put a big 50 on something as to represent calories. the thing that is sort of unusual though about this, too, the whole idea of obamacare was to get access to healthcare. that was the fundamental korean. and now what it's doing is like access to healthcare doesn't come through calorie counts on snack food vending machines. it just doesn't. >> no. it has nothing to do with it

we want people to be healthy, it's a great thing. what does this have to do with healthcare. vending machine business is about convenience. in a place where somebody can't get out to get a snack or something to drink or in a school or somewhere else. if you want to give the information, that's great. put it on the packaging. by us to do something like, this my company alone will cost a million dollars to retrofit the equipment. >> how would you do it? >> you would have to get, you know, purchase parts, which probably aren't even available at this time that would read out every calorie of every item that's in the machine. so, for example, if you select snack machine item a 1 in the top corner and it was selling a bag of fruit frito potato chips, it would read out the nutritional facts of the product. but if the product gets mixed up or the man that loads the machine doesn't put it in exactly the same place, now it's all off. it has to be reprogrammed once again. it's going to be a never ending battle for me. >> i'm sort of an expert in vending machines i have lived on it for 11 and a half years having had a late show here.

sometimes even like -- they there are different candies in different slots behind it. so it might be a mounds bar in front and dots next. which might not have the next calorie count. >> whoever filled that machine weighs a little bit lazy didn't. just stuffed them right back in the same row. whoever would select that row would have no idea about which item they are getting or what the nutritional value is. it's just the whole thing makes no sense why you would have somebody. >> is it going to impact your business? we only have 30 seconds left but is it going to impact your business? >> without a doubt. anything that has margin or small account in a laundromat or gas station, i wouldn't even bother with it anymore. i would take back the equipment. because i'm not going to retrofit it and spend extra money and make no return on my investment. no way i can do that. >> butch, keep pounding the phones. maybe you can can get one of your members of congress or senators to do something. this one, putting it on the packaged items the big company seems like a lot smarter thing to do and require you to do it if it

is indeed something that should be done. butch thank you very much. good luck. >> have a a good weekend. >> thank you for being with us tonight. see you all again monday night right here at 7 p.m. bill o'reilly is next. and go to gretawire. the o'reilly factor is on. tonight. >> >> what about money and jesus? is the new pope against capitalism? the american left says yes. you will hear our take tonight. >> you are being an idiot. if you are being an idiot, i'm going to call you an idiot. if you don't like it, then stop acting like a idiot. >> new polling says presidential race of 16 may be hillary against christie. has problem with women voters. also gutfeld mcguirk with the pinheads of the year and their predictions for 14.