bill: we didn't get a nomination fors car. martha: we didn't. bill: next year. next year. catch you later everybody. martha: bye, everybody. have a great day. "happening now" starts right now. jon: top headlines and brand new stories you see here first. jenna: the white house hoping to score points for obamacare with the help of nba star allons so morning. we'll discuss the potential implications. new report on benghazi found in many cases the attack was preventable. questions about the what happened with the ambassador that was killed that night and three others. it is all "happening now." jenna: hope you off to a freight thursday, everybody, "happening now." a new campaign to promote obamacare. glad to see you with us today,

i'm jenna lee. jon: if you like basketball you might like obamacare. jenna: that's right. jon: the white house turning to celebrities for help, releasing new ads as three hearings are underway on capitol hill right underway on capitol hill right , new ads feature magic johnson and allons so morning two legends with compelling stories -- allons so morning. wendell goler live at the white house now. what can you tell us about the new campaign? >> reporter: a broadcom pain to make sure healthy young people sign up to keep the cores of insurance changes soaring out of control. the government will spend $50 million in digital and tv advertising and nba games alone. hhs secretary kathleen sebelius said in detroit yesterday, the government will keep focusing

onioning people with ads from former nba stars like alonzo mourning who had kidney disease and magic johnson tested hiv-postive at a time when far more people were dying of the disease. >> i remember when i took my physical and they told me i had hiv 22 years ago. if it wasn't for the quality health care that i had and plan that i had, i probably would have been dead. you never know when you're going to need it. >> reporter: sebelius said more than 2 million people signed up before health care for the new year, critics say twice that number lost insurance because the plan didn't the meet the standards of the affordable care act. jon? jon: what are republicans saying about all this? >> reporter: republicans continue to say that obamacare is fatally flawed. they point to waivers and accomodations made for different groups. just yesterday the preexisting condition plan that was supposed to phase out at end of the year which was already extended through the end of this month

was extended through march to accommodate people who still haven't gotten other insurance. there are hearings today, as you point out, on whether the website is secure. michael gregg of superior solutions says it is not. >> my concern is that healthcare.gov is a major target potentially for hackers, looking to steal not only personal identities but also information that could be used to steal their identity. although i understand healthcare.gov does not store that information, it pass that is information back and forth between third party government sites and other organizations. >> reporter: now supporters deny the claims saying that the website has been strengthened and the criticism is another attempt to undermine the healthcare.gov law or affordable care act act law. jon: $50 million you say they're spending on the ads? >> reporter: on nba games alone. it is a much broader advertising campaign involving hundreds of millions. jon: that is a lot of tax money.

wendell goler thank you. jenna: down the way from the white house not one, but three different hearings on obamacare are under way on capitol hill but they all have a single focus. the ongoing security problems with healthcare.gov. congressional investigators are looking into changes made to the exchange website since it went live october 1st. the administration claims that the information is more secure but that is not the assessment of today's star witness, so-called white hat hacker, david kennedy who testified at hearings back in november. >> healthcare.gov is not secure today. nothing's really changed since the november 19th testimony. in fact from november 19th testimony it is even worse. additional security researchers come into play providing additional research, additional findings that we can definitely tell that the website is not getting any better. jenna: chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel joins us live from capitol hill where the hearings are happening. mike, what have you heard so far? >> reporter: david kennedy, that

expert you just played the sound bite from, called healthcare.gov shockingly bad and says issues across the site are varied. you don't even have to hack into healthcare.gov to recognize there are severe problems underneath. one committee chairman overseeing one of these hearings today, says that contradicts the public sales pitch. >> when the obama administration launched healthcare.gov americans were led to believe that the website was safe and secure. the science, space, technology committee learned at our hearing last november, this was simply not the case. >> reporter: and some of the experts said when you have major hospital networks, individual physicians and millions of americans across the country all-accessing this website there are many, many vulnerabilities out there, jenna. jenna: as we mentioned the administration stands behind the website. says the information of americans is secured. what are democrats saying? >> reporter: well it has been fascinating because you have at another hearing here on capitol

hill today cms, the medicare agency's chief cyber technology officer, her name is teresa fryer, that healthcare.gov passed security tests, full security tests last month in december. she is clearly trying to reassure the american public at a time when the administration is trying to get millions of americans on to the website and to sign up for health care at this point. some democrats say critics of obamacare are just trying to scare the public. >> while we're holding this hearing both the house oversight and government reform committee and energy and commerce committee are holding similar events, all with the apparent goal to create a sense of fear, thereby manufacturing an artificial security crisis. >> reporter: so, at this point you're hearing from democrats that so far there's not been a successful hack of the health care website but republicans and some of these experts are saying it is only a matter of time and when it happens it could be

devastating to the american public. jenna? jenna: a lot to consider there, mike. thank you. jon: for more on this let's bring in nina easton, senior editor, columnist for fortune, fox news contributor. jonah goldberg editor of nationalreview.online and fox news contributor. artificial security crisis, nina, is it artificial. >> hard to believe it is artificial when you hear bone-chilling testimony from someone like david kennedy, a cybersecurity expert saying there are still massive holes in the system and it hasn't gotten any better. keep in mind the testimony in november from these experts, they said you basically have to take down the whole site and start over again. it is not fixable. of course the hhs opted not to do that. they think it is fixable but it's hard to buy their view that it's actually getting better if you hear these outside experts

saying quite the opposite. jon: if obamacare is such a great program and if it's going to do such wonderful things for all of america, jonah, why do they need a 50 million-dollar ad campaign just spent on nba games to sell it? >> because they need young, healthy people. we've been talking about that for a very long time. the whole structure of acutarial structure of the thing is designed to have young healthy people paying for older sicker people and the problem is that the older and sicker people who have more felt need pour insurance have been signing on disproportionately to the younger and healthy people. i don't blame them pour running an ad campaign. what i think will be interesting to see whether or not the word-of-mouth that is spreading across the country about obamacare in terms of security problems we're hearing about today but also the higher premiums and loss of your doctor and all of that, whether a top down traditional advertising approach can counteract the word-of-mouth, sort of viral

word-of-mouth that is so negative for this thing. jon: well at nationalreview.online you have a piece about some security concerns about some of obamacare minders, facilitators they have hired. >> yeah, no, one of our reporters went and found out one out of 24/7 the new mexico obamacare navigators actually have a criminal record. they're in the criminal record database. doesn't mean necessarily they have all convictions or anything but as we're talking about security from hackers, you have to imagine that if you were in the business of identity theft, a great job to get into would be a obama care navigator. jon: yeah. nina, the young people, the healthy people that they're trying to sign up are the ones who are typically the most adept with computers and probably the most concerned about their online security. so if they hear all of these horror stories about the website, it is hard to imagine that they're going to rush in and put all their information out there? >> that's right, jon. i think this is a real uphill

battle for the administration both politically and getting people to sign up. so, as you mentioned, younger more astute people who understand how the systemp in mg against the backdrop of target, for example, which lost tens of millions of people's information, went outside that information and that information wasn't secure. people are already sensitive about the security of their personal identity information. and the other thing is politically, keep in mind last week, the house passed a bill, the republican-controlled house passed a bill saying, look, if there is breach of your security, your personal information the government is responsible for alerting you about that. senator harry reid, the democrat in the senate is going to probably refuse to take that up. i think that is going to be a real palpable issue for republicans running against democrats going into the 2014 elections. jon: why refuse to take it up, jonah? seems like a pretty common sense bit of legislation?

>> well, i mean, look, if i could figure out what was going through harry reid's mind most of the time i could sell my services to a lot of people on k street. i think part of it is anything that is seen as a wedge issue or negative attack on obamacare, harry reid is sort of the renfield to white house's dracula and will do whatever his master says. makes a very good point here, the climate in washington we have discrete piles. there is nsa story. the target story. the obamacare story. we see them coming up in different parts of the news or different sections of newspaper but normal americans they see this all same sort of thing. there is intrusion into their privacy. they see government snooping, big business snooping. it is funny we're talking about the nsa reading your email and listening to your phone calls which really isn't happening but we're also, in case of obamacare we're having people actually

voluntarily plug in incredibly private information about their health and personal life and giving it to the government. jon: complete with social security numbers and home address and everything else. nina easton, jonah goldberg, thank you both. >> thank you, jon. jenna: we'll talk a lot about the nsa new technology we just heard about as well as the target hacking incident later on in the program with morgan wright a little later in the program. he is a good cybersecurity expert. there is negative side effect on one industry we'll focus a little more on today. new details what some folks in kentucky are calling a war on coal. plus new developments in the crash of an asiana airlines jet in san francisco. the video is raising more questions about the tragic death of a young woman. i need proof of insurance. that's my geico digital insurance id card - gots all my pertinents on it and such. works for me. turn to the camera. ah, actually i think my eyes might ha...

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jenna: fox news alert and developing situation just northeast of los angeles today.

it is a red flag warning day in california because of the intense threat of wildfires. you can see there's a fire burning in this area of glendora right near a neighborhood. we can report to you that no structures have been damaged so far but this area is evacuated because of this fire that burned about 75-acres. the fire department tells us that it is extremely difficult conditions, the weather conditions are tough, the terrain is very difficult and obviously they have had several days of this red flag warning. it is the middle of january, this is not a typical time where we get a lot of wildfire warnings in california. because of dry weather we've seen that across the middle of the state and we're seeing that today in glendora so we'll keep you posted. no structures burned as of yet but neighborhoods evacuated at this time. jon: now some other developing stories we're watching this hour. two women are dead after a grocery store shooting in indiana. police are just wrapping up a news conference there. they say a gunman opened fire at

the supermarket in elkhart last night killing a store employee and a customer. we're told the suspect then held the store manager hostage before police shot and killed him. there is new video out showing the aftermath of the asiana airline crash in san francisco. it was taken from a firefighter's helmet cam when it happened in july. it shows one rescuer was aware someone was lying on the ground next to the plane after it crash-landed. officials later confirmed the young woman survived a crash but was killed when she was run over by at least one fire truck. police in san jose say they have got the man they believe is responsible for setting nearly a dozen fires within one week. we told but this yesterday on "happening now." homes and businesses were target we'll have a live report with all of the details on the arrest in the next hour. jenna: that's good news if indeed they got him. so we'll keep you posted on that. here's an interesting fact today there are fewer coal miners on the job then at anytime since

the 1920s. we learned of new plans to phase out a major coal operated power plant in kentucky which will mean the loss of more jobs. this cops as other plants consider trading in coal for natural gas in the coming years. mike tobin live in eastern kentucky with more on this story. mike? >> reporter: jenna, since january of 2012, 6,000 miners in eastern kentucky have lost relatively high-paying jobs. for at least one mining job there are three directly related jobs like trucking and those disappear. this is happening as environmental policy targets the coal industry, particularly here in appalachia. deep below the appalachian mountains a way of life is being phased out. eps regulations tripled the cost of getting coal out of the ground. miners are laid off bit thousands. >> i believe obama administration took a huge impact on the coal industry in appalachia and, it is anymore

you just never know from day-to-day when whether you have a job or not. >> seems like everything in the coal industry is under siege. everything is under attack. >> reporter: the president has had coal in his sights since he was a candidate. he said that to the editorial board in san francisco con chronicle. >> if somebody wants a to build a coal plant they can but it will bankrupt them because they will be charge ad huge sum for all the green house gas that is emitted. >> reporter: the power plant in drakesboro, kentucky, is closing coal-fired unit and replacing them with natural gas. it will buy less coal and lay off 2/3 of its staff. >> in as much regulations from from the leaders, yes it is a man-made issue. >> reporter: both the epa and sierra club declined our interview requests for this story. senator mitch mcconnell of kentucky is today introducing a resolution of disapproval for the epa and regulations placed on the coal industry again,

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jenna: right now some new reaction to the report that find the terror attacks in benghazi could have been prevented. the senate intelligence committee release ad bipartisan report 16 months after the september 11th attack. four americans were killed that night including ambassador christopher stevens.

the report singles out the state department for failing to provide adequate security among others. it is also the first report apparently criticize ambassador stevens, raising questions about his actions in the weeks leading up to the attack. this is the reporting done today by "the new york times" on this topic. quote, it is also the first report to implicitly criticize mr. stevens, raising questions about his judgment and actions in the weeks before his death. at times mr. stevens requested additional security personnel from the state department in washington but the inquiry also found that in june 2012, around the time the threats were mounting, mr. stevens recommended hiring and training local libyan guards to form security teams in tripoli and benghazi. the plan showed a faith in local libyan support that proved misplaced on the night of the attack. peter brookes is former cia officer and fellow of national security affairs at the heritage foundation. >> nice to see you, jenna. jenna: this is read and to glean

from in the ambassador asked for appropriate security he would be alive today. what do you think about that as assessment? >> that is one way to look at it. obviously it was a terrible tragedy and we lost a capable, brave ambassador in benghazi a year or so ago. it is easy to armchair quarterback this and we have to be very cautious about it. we made decisions we don't know why he made those decisions. you know i think many diplomats are concerned about how they appear to the country that they're working in. they want to appear accessible. they don't want to be necessarily surrounded by a military guard or a large security contingent because it may make them look like fortress america. so i don't want to second best ambassador stevens. i don't know what was going through his mind but there are some thoughts that the people in the senate who had access to information that you and i have not had access to believe there may have been some misjudgments that led to the tragedy.

jenna: we do have access to some other information that shows some of the communication between the embassy in tripoli closer to the september 11th attack. it was a little bit more alarmed about security. >> yes. jenna: so it seems from the outside looking in, and you're right, peter, you don't want to armchair quarterback to put blame on somebody, one person that is not here to speak for himself because he is dead. >> that's right. that's right. that is unfortunate. my assessment of what i read in this report, jenna, the intelligence was generally there. there were a lot of warnings. and this benghazi was probably worse than i thought it was. intelligence talked about 10 islamist groups operating in benghazi. al qaeda training camps. i mean when they talk about the attacks in the senate intelligence report talks about four different al qaeda groups or affiliates participating in this. al qaeda in arabian peninsula. al qaeda in the islamic mao greg

and ansar al sharia. intel told them about this security situation was trending negatively and -- jenna: talk about your experience then as you served in the cia. because what's also coming out of this report there was little to know communication between departments. one part of the report said communications between security agencies was so poor the africa command did not even know there was a cia annex in benghazi. would that be typical, peter? is that part of the way that we operate overseas? >> well you have to, information-sharing is so critical but there is also this overlying sort of, overarching principle about need to know. do people need to know everything? because you're worried about certain operations being leaked or disclosed unnecessarily. now like i said, i think there were problems here with information-sharing and obviously our previous example of that was 9/11. jenna: right. >> where we talked about stovepipes among the different security agencies. jenna: ironic here we are back

at another terror attack on 9/11 and we see that. peter, if i could move the story forward a little bit -- >> sure. jenna: one of the big questions raised in the report regarding the cia whether or not we had the right human spy sources on the ground, did we have the right contacts and did we know the area good enough and there was some criticism of that. what do you think it is like now in the area? what about ourrces in that part of the world at this time, at this moment? >> i still think it's a very, very difficult because of the tragedy in benghazi. i'm not saying that the cia is risk-averse. we have very brave people operating around the world and we should be thankful for that, but i think our intelligence capabilities are nascent. we don't have a good government in libya. they talk in the report how the fbi's investigation has been thwarted there because of lack of intelligence and also the killing of a number of people who have worked with us and provided us information. whether that is related to the benghazi attack or not but critically important, intelligence is our first defense and you need food human

intelligence on the ground. technical intelligence is great but there is that very, very important element of the american or the spy who can really get there on the ground to find out what is going on and it is so critical, that reporting is so critical to our national security in libya or any place else. jenna: this report says a lot of things and places a lot of blame but it doesn't say who is essentially accountable for this of course that will be an area of debate probably for the weeks and months ahead. peter, great to see you as always. >> good to be with you, jenna. jon: the first accredited american journalist expelled from russia since the cold war. we talked with david satter on why he believes he was thrown out and what he plans to do about it. as the national debt clock keeps ticking higher, a new report shows who we owe all that money to. we'll explain next oh!

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jenna: "happening now," a new economic report out this morning showing out of that 17 plus trillion dollars in u.s. debt we owe the biggest chunk to china. of course we had that big spending bill working its way through congress right now so that number as you can see continues to tick higher. chief washington correspondent james rosen is live with more for us now. james? >> reporter: good morning. the figures released by the u.s. treasury department today show the in the month of november china's holdings of u.s. debt increased substantially. the increase came as vice president joe biden was preparing for his trip to china

early december. currency manipulation remains one of the united states top agenda items with beijing and that concern is only rendered more acute by these numbers show chinese holdings of u.s. treasurys rose by $12.2 billion, to a record 1.3 trillion in november. japan's holdings of u.s. treasurys rose by a similar amount the data show. a high-ranking chinese banking official stated publicly in november when the surge in u.s. holdings was underway it was no longer in china's interest to aaccumulate foreign exchange reserves. the yuan posted its strongest measurement against the u.s. dollar in over 20 years. china's foreign exchange reserves reportedly was 3.3 trillion, that remains a world record. chinese holdings of u.s. debt exert unwelcome influence over u.s. foreign policy. a few years back then secretary of state hillary clinton pointed to the u.s. national debt as one of the gravest national security challenges this country faces but she, you know, jenna, goes

back to the old saw if i owe you $10,000 i'm in trouble. if i owe you $10 million it is you who is in trouble. for the nately this is not the state of relations between you and me or me and jon scott, for that mater. >> i don't know. 25 cents every day when he hits the chocolate almond machine after the show. it is racking up, jon. >> reporter: it will add up. jenna: point well-taken. certain amount and maybe lender is the issue. james, thank you. >> reporter: all right. jon: the chocolate is good for me. vandalism, drugs and naked pictures? hmmm, they all pose potential trouble for pop star justin bieber. the beebs is accused of egging his neighbor's home in a upscale california neighborhood causing $20,000 or more in damage. if convicted on a felony charge of vandalism, bieber faces a possible jail time. in a search of the 19-year-old's home thursday they reportedly seized the beebs home security

system results and his cell phone. according to "tmz" the beebs is concerned about investigators finding nude note totes and drug references in his text messages. the victim apparently recorded the event as his home was pelted with eggs. "tmz" obtained video. you can not see hackers but you can hear them. place say that can be helpful. >> if i see, [bleep] i see you. hey, [bleep], you. got another one for you. >> come right over here, mother [bleep] >> call the cops. >> that is real good, buddy. yeah you're a big [bleep] man, aren't you? >> oh, my god. >> you're a big [bleep] man. come own here you little [bleep] jon: bieber clashed with his neighbor before. during a search of his home police arrested friend and

houseguest xavier smith, known as lil-za. while being booked he smashed the jail phone so they arrested him a second time on vandalism charges. with us rebecca rose woodland a trial attorney. they are talking, pillar, like justin bieber could be actually deported if convicted on these charges. he is after all a canadian citizen. is that likely. >> good morning, jon. no, don't deport the beebs. the good news for teenage fans in america bieber can not be deported. jon: why. >> although not a citizen, even convicted of a felony under our law he could have to commit a crime that is aggravated and eggs are not under that list. there is crime of moral turpitude but that means crimes that shock the conscious. good news for bieber and our

economy eggs are not on there. this is something, i'm not condoning it but condoning eggs and water balloons all the like is something that every teenage and college boy and peril has done. so he should definitely, if he is convicted and of course they have to prove that he did this first, but if he is convicted he needs to learn his lesson but deportation is out of the question. jon: all right, rebecca, first of all on the deportation question, do you agree? >> absolutely. jon: he would not face deportation? >> absolutely, jon. it is almost ridiculous that a crime like this, if this is even a crime, first of all, if it is even a felony. it's a felony in california if he created $400 or more of damage. who is to say that throwing eggs at someone's house even creates $400 in damage? jon: supposedly this venetian plaster on the exterior of the neighbor's house. 20,000 bucks worth of damage. >> so the neighbor says, yes. first we have to prove that it happened and that bieber was responsible. then we have to prove the damages. even if we do, absolutely no

deportation here. this is not a crime of any moral turpitude nor is it anything that shocks the conscience. jon: what about if they, i mean the police did take his cell phone. what about if they find some references to drugs or, you know, naked photos? not clear whether the photos that he is reportedly concerned about, according to "tmz" are of himself or perhaps somebody under age, i don't know. what if they find something like that on his cell phone, pillar? >> what if they do? i don't know what crime it is to have naked photos. depends we're talking pornography? if it is child pornography it might be different story. i realize it is embarrassing and doesn't want it to come out but i don't see a crime. jon: we'll leave it there. we'll keep our viewers what happens to justin bieber. there may be on line petition to deport him, i don't know. thank you both. i think kid need as spanking, that's all. jenna: i have one person

available to do that. new information on a story we've been following this week, the first american journalist expelled from russia since the cold war. david satter was living in moscow when he left ukraine to renew his visa. when he tried to return the government told him his presence was quote, undesirable. sater has been working in russia on and off for four decades and during that time he has raised criticism of the putin government and recently of the olympic committee choosing sochi for the olympic games. his critsystem is not new but his situation as a expelled journalist is certainly is. when i spoke to mr. satter said this situation is much bigger than just about him and he gave knee this quote to share with you. quote, i fully intend to go back to russia. we do not accept this decision and consider it completely illegitimate. this is fundamental question of right to free speech and right of americans to know the truth about the world's second nuclear power and not compromise on it. we reached out to the state department pour comment. this is a story we're following closely and david satter will be

our guest tomorrow on "happening now." jon: rolling out the red carpet. oscar nominations announced just this morning. we'll tell you who might be taking home the gold statue this year. and you heard it before. too much booze kills brain cells but does it really? the truth about what happens when you raise your glass maybe a little too frequently.

jon: time now to dial up a little fox 411. big news from hollywood today. academy award nominations just announced this morning. julie banderas, one ever the nominees herself, is here with more. >> i accept with honor. taking the lead this year for the 86th academy awards are the 1970s con artist comedy, "american hustle" and 3-d out of this world thriller groovety which earned its star sandra bullock an individual honor.

both nabbed 10 nominations including a nod for best picture. a total of nine out of possible 10 films made it into the coveted category of best picture, "12 years a slave", capp "captain phillips" starring tom hanks and dallas buyers club starring matthew mcconaughey who owned a golden globe for his role in the film. amy adams and christian bale from "american hustle." sandra bull luck from "gravity." judi dench and oscar favorite meryl streep of august of osage county. the 86th annual academy awards will air march 2nd with ellen degeneres host egg for the second time. turning to the small screen, did you watch the premier of "american idol" season 13, guys? if you did you notice ad lot of changes. a lot of editing including judges new and old. jennifer lopez made a come back with keith urban but joining them on panel newcomer harry connick, jr. in my opinion stole the show. first two stops, boston,

massachusetts, austin, texas. my favorite moment was a connick cradled a baby to sing well and he lived up to that promise you. >> can put your head on my shoulder. what have you got? >> i just want you closer. [laughing] where you can -- >> connick was not only most amusing thing to watch entire show. the changes included cutting out all the infamous sequences of bad performances. since all the judges were apparently against the bashing ritual. too bad. is to revitalize show and ratings down more than 40% from a year earlier, resulting the fox exec in charge of the show have from the very beginning to leave the network at the finnal le. randy jackson who stepped down will serve as mentor. the tonight the premier is eight p.m. eastern. i will miss the bloopers, i felt the first several premiers of

the show, first several episodes you got to see really long list of bad singers. that's what we all used to laugh about next day, right? jenna: i watched it last night as well harry connick, jr. is hysterical. >> and he is so cute. jon, don't you agree? funny to watch, everybody was obsessed with j.lo and who is harry connick, jr.? jenna: i enjoyed it. thanks very much for that. jon: we'll keep watching. jenna: got to watch for harry. got to watch for harry. the doctor is in. a new study on alcohol and memory in middle age. researchers find that men who drank more than 2 1/2 alcoholic drinks a day could speed up memloss for six years. for women, tee totallers showed more signs of memory loss than those who drank moderately. hmmm. marti ma contrary assistant director of health for johns hopkins. doctor, women are cleared to drink and men can't, is that really the take away here?

>> you can drink, jenna, and jon can't. no. actually what the study tells us there is something particularly about moderate to heavy drinking. we studied binge drinkers for a long time. we know that is terrible. for the mooed rat drinking person, those that drink one to 2 1/2 drinks a day on average there seems to be significant impairment in memory and cognitive function in men that we're not seeing in women in this particular study. now these researchers looked at fluency of language, whether or not you could generate words with began with s quickly. whether or not you could answer reasoning questions, like fish swim as birds blank. they told them to remember certain word and asked to repeat them two minutes later. all three of those fact culls were marketedly decreased in those two drank 2 1/2 drinks a day. jenna: dr. ma contrary, did the type of alcohol matter for men

drinking drinks? >> for men, 2 1/2 drinks is 2 1/2 beers or hard liquor, it was about 1.5 ounces or half a shot. so they sort of factored all that in. they accounted for depression which can account for alcoholism. what is interesting, those that drank a moderate amount of alcohol, one drink a day, had no difference in those cognitive functions compared to those that drink no alcohol. so there's really no benefit to drinking no alcohol unless of course you want to prevent against addiction. jenna: sure. >> in terms of the physiology, in terms of the physiology there was no difference in cognitive function among those that drank a very light amount of alcohol every day. jenna: i also read this for men higher consumption of spirits like vodka, gin, whiskey, scotch linked to higher rates of mental decline than if they were drinking beer or drinking wine. let me ask you a little bit about the women. why would it be that women abstain from alcohol for 10 years or more actually had the most cognitive loss than women

that had a drink now or then? >> it's a good question. you know most diseases in all of medicine tend to have better outcomes among women on average. and we're probably just starting to learn about some of the protective effects. maybe the liver responds differently. maybe the blood flow in the brain is altered differently. that's a good question. i'm not sure we know. jenna: the study said they had a smaller amount of women and they were baffled about the result so it begs more research. we'll get on that. dr. ma carry, great to see you as always. >> thanks, jenna. jon: while you're enjoying a skinny latte hackers could be stealing your personal information. the new warning for starbucks customers. that's next. ♪ it's like something from the jetsons for those times when you just don't have enough arms to carry everything. your own personal robot.

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jenna: right now some new fears about cyber threat with your morning cup of ejiofor and this one hits close to home. a new report says the starbucks app could give hackers easy access to your user information. lauren simonetti is here on a personal trip because jon has the app on his phone. jon: i'm very concerned. >> we're trying to figure out what jon should do. i think he needs to call the company. we have a lot of information for other people out there, 10 million people who downloaded this starbucks mobile app. so, jon, you're not alone. millions of others. i will let you do that. basically if you have the app you can place your coffee order

and pay for it with your phone. why not? it faces and convenient. you get some points accumulated in your bank. you don't even have to put your password in every time. now there is concern that those passwords can get into the wrong hand and the woman is starbucks stores your information in plain text without encryption. if you leave your phone in a starbucks store and someone else picks it up, they can pick up three key pieces of information. number one, your user name. number two with a star next to it, your password. also number three your fiscal location. cybersecurity experts we spoke to say any amateur hacker would be sophisticated enough to get the data. starbucks is aware of the vulnerability. they say this. they have taken additional steps to safeguard any sensitive information that might have been transmitted in this way. the company tells us safeguards were added yesterday and more are expected to be added today, but in the wake of recent hacks at target and neiman marcus, customers are on heightened alert wondering what they should

do. so first, be careful obviously anytime you're storing personal information. and second, and this is the key one, don't reuse passwords. i know they're so hard to remember but you shouldn't reuse them. starbucks says. this should have many people breathing a sigh of relief, no known impact to customers yet, no credit card information has been affected and right now the security flaw is limited to just the iphone but experts say it is very likely that other platforms are affect as well. they would have not only to have your physical phone but get into starbuck as database. it is rare. i will let them know you're calling. jon: i appreciate it. lauren, thank you. well, file this under husband must-have. here is bugy, a robot at that follows you around around carries your stuff, up to 50-pound worth. it can follow you around with a app on your iphone and comes

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jenna: new developments on our top stories and breaking news ths hour. jon: will president obama be the campaigner or in chief this fall? democrats are now weighing whether appearing with the president helps them more than it hurts? and al-qaeda back with a vengeance, sparking new questions about president obama's strategy to take on the terrorists and keep americans safe. be. and why wouldfires burning just north of los angeles now threatening homes, a massive effort underway to put them out as the flames conti'ue to spread. it's all "happening now." ♪ muck. ♪ jenna: well, political no-show raising new questions about the president. as we look ahead to the midterm

elections. welcome to the second hour of "hyppening now," i'm jenna lee. jon: and i'm jon scott. president obama traveling to north carolina yesterday to give a speech, but the state's democratic senate, kay hagan, choosing to steer clear of the event, and the president, as she ñaces a tough re-election battle this november. is this a sign of things to come for the president? will fellow democrats keep him at arm's length? joining us live, juan williams, our fox news political analyst. kay hagan's people, of course, had the usual political excuse that she was too busy doing the people's business in washington, couldn't be bothered joining with the president. you've got to wonder or, juan, what's going on there? >> well, i think it's pretty obvious, she doesn't want to be seen with him, jon. the reason she doesn't want to be seen with him is interesting. obviously, the president's a great fundraiser, he canty the base. the real reason is not republicans who are unlikely to vote for her anyway, but independents. the question is, how do independents feel about barack

obama, how do they feelúabout obamacare, how do they feel about his agenda? and right now his standing, his ratings with dependents is pretty low. be so the consequence is that for kay hagan, despite the president's ability to maybe raise money later in the campaign cycle with democrats, it's smart to stay away or create some distance with the president in the mind of independent voters. jon: you know, juan, it's lonely at the top. it's lonely sometimes in the to value office. i suppose his predecessor, bush 43, might give barack obama some consolation about this or maybe some good counsel. looking back at the headlines from 2007, "the new york times" had this one: gop candidates -- or gop contenders -- ponder what to say about bush. and then "the washington post" a little bit layer, this august of 2006:gop candidates claim degrees of separation from the president. now, at that time president

bush, at least six years ago in january, had an approval rating of 43 percent, and everybody was talking about how unpopular he was with, you know, two wars underway and so forth. president obama's approval rating8& right now as you see on the screen stands at 40%, it's lower at point in his presidency than president bush's was back then, juan. >> well, that's exactly right. and so that's why senator hagan took the position that she did yesterday. e as you say, she says, oh, she was busy in washington and, obviously, there were some big votes on the budge yesterday, expanding it for three days so they can get a deal with the house, but it's also true mary landrieu down many louisiana also creating some distance, avoiding being seen with the president in state. again, what we're targeting here, jon, is independent voters. they're going to be the key to the 2014 midterms. and what you see is vulnerable democrats saying just for now with these numbers the way they

are, with the tremendous amount of spending by republicans and conservatives on ads that target obamacare as a failure, they just think, you know what? let me stay a little bit far. and that's what happened to president bush, and that's what's happening to president obama. jon: but, you know, as you know, the president has said obamacare's going to be a huge success, and just wait, you know, try it, you'll like it. all you have to do is give it some time. why not be a brave politician and go out there, i mean, it was passed largely with democratic support only in the house and senate. why not go out there and be brave and, you know, stand up for what you belief in and say i -- believe in, say i love president obama and obamacare, and i'm all for it? >> let me get this straight, jon, you just said brave politicians? [laughter] sense, but not in thisbe brave sense. in this sense, if you've got a political adviser, he's whispering, or she's whispering many your ear that the smart move, maybe not the brave move,

is to give it some time, some distance between the failed rollout and the tremendous surge of these negative ads about obamacare. give that some time and see what comes in the future. maybe people will start to like it, maybe the enrollment numbers will shift. if you look right now, obamacare remains unpopular. republicans are placing a heavy bet that that is the key to the 2014 election. we can argue as you just said, oh, you know, there's some good to it. it may come to a good end, all that. but for right now, you know, it was just a hard line political calculation better to have some distance from any -- speaking as a vulnerable democrat -- there president obama than to be seen in a front page picture standing next to him. jon: well, i think the republicans are going to have a field day this advertising and otherwise with some of these democratic candidates who are kind of running from the president right now. >> well, yeah. [laughter] you got it. jon: thanks, juan. jenna: anyone who watches an nba

game tonight will hear a sales pitch from two big stars, imagine ific johnson -- magic monojohn is one. >> young people, they think they're superman, like nothing's ever going to happen to them. but trust me, one day something's going to happen, and you're going to need a quality health plan. so make sure you get obamacare. jenna: as we mentioned, magic johnson is not alone, seven-time nba all-star, alonzo mourning, also featured in an ad discussing his brief departure from the league due to kidney disease. so those are some of the new campaigns out there today. jon: meanwhile, with all of the attention on the glitch-ridden healthcare.gov web site, issues with the state exchanges draw less attention, but they could offer a glimpse into future problems with the federal system. chief national or correspondent jim angle takes a look at that live in washington for us. jim? >> reporter: well low -- hello, jon.

vicki rappaport is the face of the state exchange in her state, maryland. listen. >> to me, it's very personal, and it's very frustrating because the system has failed me. >> reporter: now, vicki, who's self-employed, started trying to sign up in early october. she eventually went to an official navigator for howard county which signed her up, gave her a confirmation number and a printout of the plan she chose. but then she hit a brick wall. >> i was told by the insurance company i selected that they have no record of me. i did go to the state navigation system, and they had no record of me. >> reporter: now, she's contacted the state exchange and a range of national and state officials including the governor. last night an aide in the governor's health reform office wrote her saying, quote: we tracked down where it is in the system, and it looks like it has been processed by maryland health connection and sent over

to your insurance carrier for processing on their side. he added parenthetically, this is a very goodstein. but when -- good sign. but when she called the consumer support line this morning, they told her again she's not in the system. she did get a letter from senator barbara mikulski saying, quote: i am just as frustrated as you are about the launch of health reform. i am particularly disappointed that the exchange web sites did not operate smoothly. now, this is the same problem, jon, that the federal government had, the so-called back end of the system which tells state officials and insurance companies who has enrolled. >> the back end's not working. there's no way to effectively match policies and people. >> reporter: and that profor vicki, of course, is a nightmare scenario that just keeps repeating itself. maryland, which planned to be a national model, had signed up less than 19,000 people by the end of of december.

analysts say the federal government is still having the same sign-up snags and that more problems like vicki's are likely to emerge in the coming months. jon? jon: all right. jim angle keeping an eye on that side of the story for us from washington. thanks, jim. >> reporter: you bet. jenna: another big story, the president is about to lay out his vision for the future of the nsa surveillance program in a highly-anticipated speech tomorrow. mr. obama is expected to announce reforms that will strike a balance or aim to strike a balance between protecting our privacy and safeguarding national security. our chief white house correspondent, ed henry, is live in the briefing room with more on this. any major changes expected to be announced? >> reporter: well, that's going to be the big question. indications that the president's going to embrace some of the key findings, at least some of the 46 recommendations made by his review panel such as adding an independent private advocate to the fisa court overseeing all of this to make sure it's not just a will beer stamp, make -- rubber stamp, make sure privacy

concerns are actually heard in this court. the other big one though, of course, is who's going to handle the bulk collection of phone records. there had been a recommendation that that be turned over from the government to the private telecom companies. those companies not interested in doing that for various business purposes, and they've been pushing back on that. we're getting indications the president may punt that to congress, have them debate it out and figure out what might be the best way to move forward. that's drawing a sharp rebuke from the aclu. they put a statement saying, quote: >> r eporter: of course, the position here at the white house has been that the president did institute some reforms already after he took office from the bush years, but the big question moving forward is going to be whether or not he continues any kind of major reforms. after all, the snowden leaks and revelations, or is it just going to be window dressing? jenna: interesting question, especially if you look at the

stories we just did in the last few be minutes, health care, the economy, reforms for the president, and this comes up in a second term. what kind of legacy item is the nsa for the president? >> reporter: the nsa's a huge legacy item at least for a couple of reasons. number one, the decisions the president makes now, this week, but also in the days ahead will reverberate in the next administration and beyond. certainly with the decisions george w. bush made, they're still reverberating. and so it's important for that reason. but also, if you look at the president's evolution on this, he started out when he was campaigning in 2008 as someone who was sharply critical of bush administration. take a listen to how he framed it back then. >> this administration also puts forward a false choice between the liberties we cherish and the security we provide. i will provide our intelligence and law enforcement agencies with the tools they need to track and take out the terrorists without undermining our constitution and our freedom. that means no more illegal wiretapping of american

citizens. >> reporter: now, what's changed? of course, he's commander in chief now over five years later, and you'll remember that at that news conference in december when i asked the president about all these changes and trying to strike a balance, he pointed out that, look, if there's a terror attack and this administration is seen as not doing enough in terms of digging into phone records and the like, we'll be pressing him to find out why he didn't do more. and so that's the balance he's clearly trying to strike with his speech at the justice department tomorrow, which is the balance between privacy rights, but also securing the country, jenna. jenna: we know, certainly, the president always appreciates your questions, ed. >> reporter: no doubt about it. jenna: like we see every day in the press briefing. [laughter] great to have you, as always. the president's speech is coming as we learn more about the highly advanced technology, including the nsa's ability to spy on computers not even connected to the internet. it sort of seems like out of a movie, right? to a cybersecurity expert, what does that really mean? we're going to talk to morgan wright in about ten minutes from

now. jon: also, president obama's anti-terrorism strategy is coming under fire. critics say al-qaeda is gaining strength in the middle east and will attack the u.s. again things do not change. senator joe lieberman, former homeland security chairman, joins us live with his thoughts on that next. and a suspected arson isist arrested after a series of terrifying fires in one city. the latest on the investigation and what police say led them to him. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] nearly 7 million clients. how did edward jones get so big? t me just put this away. ♪ could you teach our kids that trick? [ male announcer ] by not acting that way. it's how edward jones makes sense of investing. ♪ [ male announcer ] bob's heart attack didn't come with a warning.

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if that happens, quote: we're going to get attacked again. senator lieberman is also former chairman of the house -- i'm sorry, of the senate homeland security committee, and he is my guest now. some pretty surprising words for you, from you, some surprising criticism of a democratic administration. you are concerned that president isn't doing enough? >> i am, and it's based on the fact, that al-qaeda -- although we would definitely degrade al-qaeda in the tribal areas of pakistan, the drone attacks and all the rest -- but al-qaeda elsewhere is reconstituting itself. in fact, you could make a case that al-qaeda is stronger today than it was on 9/11. and it's particularly beginning to grow in areas like syria, iraq and libya. and what i'm saying to the administration and to the president is don't, please, overlearn the lessons that you've taken from iraq and afghanistan. a lot of people are not happy

about those words. the american people seem to want to not be involved. but there's a danger to that, and nobody'sñasking for thousands of american troops on the ground anywhere in the middle east anymore. but we've got an obligation to help the countries there that are fighting against al-qaeda and the people there in places like syria fighting against al-qaeda, or al-qaeda and its type will form sanctuaries, bases from which they will attack us again, as they did on 9/11. jon: everybody recalls that a year and a half or so ago the president said assad, bashar al assad in syria, assad has to go. that hasn't happened yet. >> right. jon: is that part of the problem? i mean, the fro announcements -- pronouncements that are made and nothing seems to happen? >> yeah, that is a big part of the problem. look, the president came into office after the election of 2008 with a theme, with a narrative that he was going to get the country out of iraq and afghanistan and, essentially, not get drawn into foreign wars

again. good enough, well enough, but the fact is that the world reality doesn't always conform to a presidential narrative. and i think the president's got to -- and this is really my appeal to him -- take a fresh look at this. because the policies he's following are not working. and in syria, for instance, assad is there. he's murdered well over 100,000 people -- jon: the u.n. stopped counting. >> the u.n. stopped counting. john kerry, secretary of state, said the other day that assad is using starvation as a weapon of war. he is. he's stopping masses of his people from getting food. he used chemical weapons earlier. and for us not to give arms and training to the moderate elements that oppose assad in syria invites an al-qaeda or lets assad stay. in either case, it's bad for us. jon: but the part of your

warning that i think catches most americans' ears is when you say we are going to get attacked again as a result of what you see as failures of policy. >> that's right. look, you look back to the '90s, jon, there was a war going on in afghanistan. we had pulled out after russians pulled out of afghanistan. the taliban took over afghanistan, and most people in washington said that's somebody else's civil war. well, that civil war ended up giving al-qaeda a sanctuary from which they attacked us on 9/11. and i'm saying unless we help allies in countries like iraq, syria and libya to get tough against al-qaeda and build up their governments, al-qaeda or their ilk are going to come back to those countries, they're going to form sanctuaries and, unfortunately, they're going to attack us again. jon you happy not to be running in elections again? >> oh, praise the lord. [laughter] i had a great run.

i'm very grateful to the people in connecticut for all the opportunity to serve they gave me. that chapter's over. jon: longtime senator joe lieberman, and vice presidential candidate, we should note. thanks for coming in. >> appreciate it. jenna: nsa spying on computers worldwide, even those not connected to the internet. how they're doing it, lues what it mean -- plus what it means for you, coming up.

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the an hells national forest service say this thing has increased in size in the last three and a half hours, went there about 12 ache ors to 125 acres. it has been brutally dry this in california, an unusually dry year, and this could portend -- okay, we're looking back at live pictures now, this could portend big trouble ahead because this has been so very, very dry. there is the house that's burning now. people have to evacuate, and they have been told to evacuate this neighborhood, very often people who have been told to evacuate don't know what has happened to the homes they left behind. well, the folks in this particular house are getting a good view. that structure is fully involved. we'll keep you updated. jenna: it just happened in an hour. now look at it. certainly a quick-moving story there. well, the new revelations of the nsa's surveillance capabilities is one of our big

stories today as well. a new report shows the agency is using software in nearly 100,000 computers around the world, software it implanted. this allows the u.s. to conduct surveillance on those machines even if they're not connected to the internet. the nsa says the program is an active defense against foreign cyber attacks. again, this is all kind of coming from the snowden dump of information we've heard from the nsa. morgan wright former adviser of the state department anti-terrorism assistant program and ceo at connected to the case. great of to have you back with us. >> hi, jenna. jenna: for those of of us on the outside looking into this, it does feel ask sound like a movie. is this a surprise to you, that this technology is being used, or is this business as usual? >> no, it's no surprise. the only thing i'm surprised about is that we keep disclosing programs which are demonstrably successful, that are legally being used against bad people in bad places. i mean, yeah, this is -- people think this is the kind of stuff

of movies, but this is life maybe imitating art, but the nsa has become very creative in finding out how to attach themselves to computers and assets and get that information out even when they're not connected to the internet or to a network. jenna: and how does that work if you're not connected to the internet? how do they even do it? >> well, it's a combination of just plain old technology, tradecraft and good old-fashioned spying. they've been either to probably intercept shipments or get people at the destination to implant usb drives or cables. but inside those usb devices are small radio transmitters which means your collection station has to be about eight miles away. but we create a private network between that computer using the small radio transmitter and the collection station. that's how you access that computer even when its wireless transmitter isn't turned on or directly attaching to anytime a surreptitious way. jenna: fascinating.

no evidence it's being used here in the united states against americans. of course, that's the big debate when it comes to the program and one of the things i'm sure the president will touch on tomorrow. is this technology so widely accessible, morgan, that the bad guys are using it against us just as easily? i use that term, ask maybe you want to use a different one, just as easily as we're using it against them? >> jenna, my fear is now that they know about it, actually, i was here yesterday talking to some reporters, but several hard targets that people were looking at, people that were being targeted have dropped off the radar because this has been disclosed. my fear is that it's very creative. it's not easy to do, but somebody has the time and money to do behind it, they could actually end up using that against us at some point. our intelligence agencies can defend against it most likely, but it's the threat of what other nations like china, and you and i have talked about china before, corporate can espionage. that's where i fear it would be used, to steal our defense

intelligence secrets, industrial secrets, i.t. secrets. that's where it could come back to haunt us. jenna: doesn't need to be that complicated, does it, because we have this other big story about target in the news. and it's interesting to see the advance technologies that our government has, but the vulnerability of the american consumer or against outside -- >> absolutely. jenna: -- bad guys. how do those things work together? i know this is some big questions about the role of of government in our private lives, but could the government with better security prevent something like the target hacking attack that happened to tens of millions of americans? >> you know, maybe it's not quite as much the role of the government as it is the industry. you know, jenna, to solve that problem the max stripe so 1980s -- jenna: what is that, mac stripe? >> it's that black stripe on the back of the credit card that contains all your information, so if you get the credit card and swipe it and steal that information, i can put it on a hotel card. i can steal your information. europe and 80 other countries

are using what they call the emv chip. of it's an encrypted chip on your credit card, and it defeats, i mean, to a great level, the amount of fraud committed because your pin, your information is all encrypted. it's a transmission between the encrypted chip. it all stays encrypted, and it makes it much more difficult for the bad guys to steal your information. nobody wants to put it out there because it increases the cost to the consumer. jenna: we'll see if that changes to the cost of companies like target because of this hacking. by the way, i got an e-mail yesterday from target about the whole hacking thing, and i haven't shopped at target in months because there's not one in manhattan. [laughter] we'll see how much it costs the company finish. >> billions. billions of dollars. jenna: morgan, great to see you, as always. thank you. >> you bet, jenna. jon: you have shopped at just about every other store in manhattan, right?

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jon: a major break in a serial arson case we first told you about yesterday that terrorized a neighborhood in san jose, california. police have arrested a suspect in a series of fires there. claudia cowan is live in san francisco with more. >> reporter: jon, details being released shortly about who the suspect is and the circumstances surrounding his arrest, but residents say they are breathing easier and now will be able to sleep through the night knowing police have someone in custody after 13 arson attacks, all in the same soablg downtown corridor, last night's arrest coming exactly one week after the first fire was set. the arsonist terrorized neighbors, igniting fires in the middle of the night at many homes, a business, even a church in san jose. three fires set on sunday alone, and police were waiting for him to strike again. he was apparently under surveillance by the department's covert response unit and was arrested at around 8 p.m. local time. throughout the past week, many neighbors banded together

distributing flyers of the suspected arsonist and sharing video from their home security systems with investigators. one video shows what appears to be a tall, slender and light-skinned man setting fire to the porch of a home and apparently, according to sources, the man now under arrest lives near the neighborhood. residents who were terrified say they want to know who the suspect is and why he set these fires. barely escaped alive. police will be talking about the arrest next hour, and we will be following the story. jon: claudia cowan, hope they got the right guy, thank you. well, americans are digging deeper into their pockets for everyday expenses like food and gas. consumer prices in december making their biggest jump since june, that according to the labor department. food prices rose .1% last month, raising oil -- rising oil prices taking much of the blame for be increases across the board. those rates jumped 3.1% in

december. jenna: well, speaking of energy, some new questions are being raised about the way we move oil in this country as we're producing more. where does it all go? much of it is moved by rail, and this is a new report in the "wall street journal" raising concerns about whether or not that's safe. a recent string of massive explosions triggered by oil train derailments is adding some momentum to the story as well as whether or not major u.s. cities like detroit and philadelphia, st. louis, kansas city, chicago even know about this oil rolling close to the population and whether or not those cities are prepared if there was of of a disaster. steve moore, senior economics writer for "the wall street journal" has spent a lot of time in north dakota, peter goelz is former managing editor of the ntsb, and phil flynn. we just kind of want to explore this story because it wasn't something we had heard a lot about. steve, going back to north dakota, you've done a lot of

reporting out there. how does that oil get from the did m id l of the money to the refineries where it can be sold? >> great question, jenna lee, and most people have no idea. look, there's three ways, you either do it through rail, you either do it through trucking, or you do it through pipelines. and i would say the kind of advertisement and what we should learn from this incident that happened a few days ago with these fires is maybe we need some more infrastructure in this country called pipelines. pipelines are a much safer way to transport oil and natural gas. we don't have enough of it. and by the way, interesting point, jenna lee, the biggest opponents to building the new pipelines are the rail industry because they know they're competitors to them. jenna: that's interesting to note. how does price become a factor here, phil? that's a great question for you, because there is so much more oil moving. does that trickle down to the consumer about how we move the oil? >> i'm sorry -- jenna: oh, unfortunately, let me make sure that phil's got his

audio. i'm going to go to peter next. peter, steve was saying that rail, pipeline, trucks, these are the different ways that oil is moved around the country. the question when it comes to rail that's raised in this "wall street journal" piece is whether or not regulators know about how much crude oil is coming closest to these major areas and whether or not they're prepared to handle a disaster because of how much more oil is flowing through these areas. what do you think about that? >> where well, i think there's two points to be made. one is transporting rail by rail, crude oil or other hazardous materials, the data says it's still very safe. >> that's right. >> so the remark that, you know, somehow if you're moving oil by rail it becomes automatically more unsafe is simply not supported by day that. the real issue -- by the data. the real issue is what can we do more to make transport by rail

safer. he's right, the infrastructure right now isn't there to move pipeline, to move oil by pipeline east/west. that's a big problem. we're going to have to do it by rail. and the question is, what can we do? one is, let's get the government to move more quickly on the industry-recommended improvements to the rail cars. the rail cars are not owned by the railroads, but they need to be strengthened. the second is there are other interim steps that can be done to make the transport of oil somewhat more safe. but the bottom line is 99.9% of the oil or other hazardous materials that get transported get there safely. >> yeah. jenna: i think phil can hear us now. phil, i had a question about costs as well as safety. we're seeing this is a big economic boom, there's a question about what a major disaster could mean for the industry if it happened. can you talk to us a little bit about price and the way that we move oil, how does that affect the benefit that we get as

consumers? >> i think the easier -- the better the flow of the oil, the better for the economy. >> right. >> we've already seen a major boom to the u.s. economy because of this explosion. the thing we have to realize, what makes this oil so attractive makes it even mous. it's one of most purest forms of oil out there. it's very explosive. so i agree, we have to get the infrastructure in place. trains are safe, very safe. pipelines are even safer when you're talking about getting it from point a to point b, you know, surface explosions go -- as far as explosions go. so, definitely, we have to take some of the profits and invest in infrastructure, that is the key. as far as the safety, every city has to look at this, and they do have to be better prepared. you know, because we weren't prepared for this boom in the oil industry, we weren't really prepared, you know, for this boom in the railroad industry. this has been a huge, major force in the economy. but we've got to do it right. and if we don't do it right, you

know, of course everybody's going to pay the price down the road. jenna: well, and, phil be, in the city of chicago which is the biggest railroad hub in the country, there's talk from officials of levying a fee for every rail car that has oil as almost a down payment if there's some sort of accident. so what would that mean for the oil business overall? >> you know, i think overall it's probably not a bad idea. i mean, you know, i hate to, you know, talk about taxes and things, but, you know, there's such a boom going on right now, if it takes a small tax to get the infrastructure in place, i'm all for it. you know? i think this is only the beginning. jenna: steve, go ahead. >> you know, jenna, you mentioned north dakota where i've been several times. it's interesting, you know, at night there's all these flares that go off where they burn off the natural gas. it's such a waste of the resource, and the reason they to that is they don't have the pipeline to get it to market. i want to stay on this point because it's so critical. we, the president talks all the

time about infrastructure. the infrastructure we need is pipelines, and we haven't mentioned those two keywords yet, jenna lee, which are keystone. those would be a big advance in terms of developing, getting the oil and gas to the market. jenna: well, there's a reason for that, because we're doing a big segment on keystone tomorrow. [laughter] we wanted to make sure we just got a little basis for it because it's an alarming headline, but it was nice to have all of your perspectives. oil has been moved in rail across this country for years, and the question is whether or not it can be handled. thank you, gentlemen, great to see you all. just want to mention mention to our viewers, we showed a map and we were saying that recent railroad accidents are causing this question. the map doesn't show anything about the accidents that have happened. there's been about three accidents over the last month or so. the map is showing you some of the major railroad areas in the country that are transporting oil, so i just wanted to make sure that was clear. we're going to be debating the keystone pipeline coming up tomorrow on program.

jon: and it's the explosions and the accidents that make news, it's not the thousands and thousands of rail cars that get -- jenna: exactly. and moving every day. jon: exactly. well, sea world -- i'm sorry, a wildfire is tearing through a neighborhood just north of los angeles. dry, windy conditions fueling flames now completely engulfing at least one home. firefighters struggling to get the situation under control. we have the latest coming up in a live report. alisyn: bill, you know what our show means? bill: what's that? alisyn: a live studio audience. look, we could accommodate it. bill: we're walking and we're talking. alisyn: proving anchors can do that. bill: what's coming up? alisyn: congressman jason chaffetz, what he's learned on the web site. bill: are vets getting the shaft on this budget deal? we'll have all that for you. shall we? alisyn: okay. see you then. ♪

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jon: right now, a massive effort to fight raging wildfire less than 30 miles from downtown los angeles. william la jeunesse is live in l.a. william? >> reporter: well, jon, the colby fire literally exploded just before sunrise going from 12 to 30 to 125 acres in just one hour. now it's about 200 acres. cause is not known, but police have arrested -- not just detained -- three people they believe are responsible. right now you're looking at some live pictures. we don't know exactly the total acreage, but the spot fires are the exact or the major concern right now. trees and the heavy brush in the backyards and in between homes, these areas have not burned for 45 years. so not only is the fuel very dense, it is tinder dry. in this is the san gabriel valley, 23 miles northeast of los angeles. winds 5-55 miles an hour overnight. the fire began in the angeles national forest and just began ripping towards these foot hill

communities of glendora and sierra madre. fire crews moved in very quickly in front of the flames just as the santa ana winds pushed these southwest. police going door to door, telling homeowners to evacuate. firefighters and engines moved in, positioned themselves in the driveways and the backyards hoping to knock down the flames and the spot fires that were hang in the palm trees and the eucalyptus trees in the outbuildings. water drops began just as the sun came up. there are now five helicopters, two canadian super scoopers, 500 firefighters at the scene. this is very dangerous because it hasn't burned in a long time. very dense, very dry, and, of course, we still have red flag warnings up, those high winds. so this fire will probably go on most of the day, jon. but they, they don't have a real good handle on it right now. we have some of these communities still in danger, mandatory evacuations underway. jon: 130 acres at last report and expected to get bigger.

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american cars are getting technologically better and better, the best of them on a par with the best of germany and japan. >> this is the only country in the world from the time our children are raised they are taught to challenge orthodoxy. to challenge orthodoxy. only new, fundamentally new things can happen by moving beyond the old. you in the automobile industry are part of that legacy. >> reporter: but as washington post reported this week, the cars that are getting the most attention at the show this week are not the elect tricks or the hybrids that the administration has touted or subsidized, it's the big, powerful muscle cars, the nucor vet z6, for example, with 625 horse paul, who needs that? i do. if my wife will let me get one. but also the ford mustangs and the new lighter through heavy use of aluminum, the ford f-150

pickup truck. >> the green car revolution, in essence, hasn't happened because sales, which are really good for american automobiles, in the market show the things that people are buying are trucks and sufficients. suvs. and that means people want size, they want comfort, they want power. >> reporter: ford sold over 760,000 f series trucks last year but only 35,000 hybrid cmax vehicles. the in the last two years large battery companies went bankrupt as did electric car maker fisker. all heavily subsidized by the obama administration. one proponent of between energy said he'd like to see more bankruptcies because it means the government is pushing the envelope of research and development. >> this is why i would love to see both liberals and

conservatives supporting a broad range of investment in new energy technologies both applied and basic so that whatever happens, we are ready. >> that comment, whatever happens, is a reference to climate change based upon their purchasing habits, american car buyers are not buying into the catastrophic scenarios of climate change. jenna: doug member elle way -- mckelway, thank you. jon: what if you could turn a nightmare into a fantasy or maybe fly to the distant planet in just one night all while you're sleeping? a new product claims to help you do just that. the amazing gadget and the details, next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] you don't have to be a golf pro to walk like one.

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