thanks for joining us tonight. from new york, this is mike huckabee. "justice with jeanine pirro" is next. hello and welcome to justice. i'm justice jeanine pirro. this is a fox news alert. a deadly shooting today at a shopping mall in columbia, maryland. police have confirmed three people are dead, including the gunman. with me now former d.c. homicide detective and fox news contribute tore, rob wheeler. all right, rod, you've been on the scene all day. what can you tell us? >> reporter: that's right. well, around 11:15 this morning, a car went around in this mall that shoots in baltimore near the district of columbia.

police responded as well as the federal protective service. when they got on scene, they locked them down immediately. there were tons of people, judge, here at the mall. as a matter of fact, i was only a mile rosina waway when that c out and i followed them over here. the shooting occurred on the second level of this particular mall. now, this mall has two levels. 202 stores. it occurred on the second level right by the food court, and so when the police went in there, they were able to clear that entire area out, judge, and that's where they found three victims. >> all right. and as i understand it, the two that are deceased, a young girl and her boyfriend who worked at a skate store in the mall? >> exactly. the young girl was 20 years old and then the young man was 25 years old. now, the howard county police have not released the name of the actual shooter because they're still inside this mall, believe it or not, at this late hour still gathering a lot of

evidence. apparently the shooter had a lot of ammunition on him, but the police chief said today, judge, that a shotgun was used. they also have a bomb-sniffing dog that they flew in from ocean city in there looking for other types of boobie traps and things of that nature. so this is still an active scene with police officers going through this mall and they are poring through anything and everything that could lead them to some clues as to what the motive could have been because we don't know what the motive was yet. >> right, we don't know the motive, but it's interesting, a lot more people could have died. it appears with this shotgun and this young boy and girl that were deceased, and we don't know yet, it seems like it was a targeted shooting, targeted toward those two individuals. >> reporter: you're exactly right, that's what it appears to be. a lot of witnesses said today, judge, the shooter went right up to a store called zumiez, which

is a store for skateboarders, because he targeted his victims and then turned the gun on himself. this is an active crime scene here, and i think by tomorrow we'll have more information as to exactly why what happened today happened. >> all right, rod wheeler, thanks so much. >> reporter: sure. thank you, judge. >> you know, every year in january the president addresses the american people on the state of our union. washington on high alert, elected politicians all aflutter at the idea of being caught on camera, recognized on national television, each one holding onto the president's hand just a little longer than necessary in order to be identified and in the picture. i'm actually surprised that the capitol didn't tip over with the weight of everyone pushing, leaning and shoving to get that quality air time with the president as he descends into

the well of congress. the president previews themes of his speech. word is this year it will be about opportunity, action and optimism. and on tuesday, the president will tell you that he will work with congress in a bipartisan way. he'll grow the economy, strengthen the middle class and give us the economic security that we need. what's not to support in all of that? all of us want all of that. the problem? as a student of history, i know nothing portends the future more than the past. remember this? >> we are more than a collection of red states and blue states. we are, and always will be, the united states of america. >> let me ask you, does it feel that way? are we united in our goals? or are we at each other's

throats at every turn on every issue, turning even nonpolitical issues into idealogical political battles between republicans and democrats? you know, mr. president, i want to believe that we can be united. but i know that history repeats itself. in fact, it seems you dug your heels in even more after the election. >> when it comes to negotiations, i said i'm happy to have negotiations with the republicans but we can't do it with a gun held to the head of the american people. i will not negotiate over congress' responsibility to pay the bills it has already wracked up. i don't know how to be more clear about this. i will not negotiate over the full faith and credit of the united states. >> and what was that you said about working with congress? >> i want to work with congress whenever and wherever i can, but the one thing i'm emphasizing to

all my cabinet members is we're not going to wait. i've got a pen and i've got a phone. and that's all i need. >> last week, mr. president, you talked about limited government and following the constitution. i suspect the founding fathers would find that somewhat disingenuous. our government has never been bigger. and mr. president, i wanted to believe it when you said this last week. >> the men and women of the intelligence community, including the nsa, consistently follow protocols designed to protect the privacy of ordinary people. they're not abusing authorities in order to listen to your private phone calls or read your e-mails. >> but the truth, there are quite a few judges who disagree with you on that. and by the way, did you hear about your nsa officers, the ones that are using nsa resources to spy on their love interest and potential dates? not to mention edward snowden.

now, i believe you when you said that i could keep my doctor and that i could keep my insurance. ironically, in this week's in-depth new yorker article, an interview, you're shown to be on both sides of just about every issue, a real tightrope walker. you rail against the fat cat bankers. you support occupy wall street, the hooligans. but who have you prosecuted? who is in jail? you run as a pacifist. you accept the nobel peace prize, yet you command the longest war in history which those close to you say you don't even believe in. and who announces a surge and a withdrawal at the same time? mr. president, you are indeed the master of contradiction. now, we expect politicians to talk out of both sides of their

mouths. but we don't expect it of our leader. we don't need a tightrope walker. we need a leader that we can both believe and believe in. so i'll be watching on tuesday night. and i'm hoping that i can believe once again. and coming up, the president says smoking weed is no worse than drinking. so is the country going to pot? that's next. and vote in tonight's instapoll. is america more united or divided since president barack obama became the

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with me, fox's political analyst ron williams and former aide to president george bush, brad blakeman. the message coming on tuesday is supposed to be about unity, but language about republicans being arsonists and terrorists and holding guns to the american people is the kind of incendiary language the president and the democrats have been using. how do you reconcile the two different obamas? >> i don't think he's talking about all republicans. i think he's talking about the caucus, especially in the house, that really did force the country to the brink. i mean, several times in terms of the debt ceiling and budget issues. >> they are republicans, juan, right? they're republicans. >> i don't think they represent all republicans, but i'll leave that to you to make the judgment, but i think there are some republicans who have said, my way or the highway, judge. >> all right. so you don't see any contradiction in the president? you saw some of the clips earlier, i'm not going to negotiate, i'm not going to negotiate, and now it's -- >> yeah.

>> no problem with that, juan? >> no, i think there are people who are saying to him, they're not willing to negotiate with him. they're making clear demands and they're saying, we're not willing to negotiate, talk, bargain, compromise, and you get a president who says, okay, on this issue, especially in terms of raising the debt ceiling, he's not negotiating. so you get this hard line on both sides. but, i mean, the larger issue here is do you want that president who will back down the minute anybody makes a demand of him, and he's not willing to do that. i don't think that's a reason to criticize him. >> you don't think he's backing down, do you? we negotiate with iran. that doesn't mean he was in a back-down position. brad, what's your take on this? >> the president is a bystander here in washington. the debt ceiling was agreed to in the house and senate when democrats and republicans came together. if you remember back in the end of 2013, who was it that came together, ryan and murray. house and senate came together

to make a budget deal. the president is not leading here. the president's state of the union is going to be a war on poverty. what does that say about the five years of this president which all of a sudden he has come out with a war on poverty which means, get the rich. this is going to be the mantra of the state of the union. >> they also say it's going to be about unity and all that. i saw some of the things that were sent out. i'm going back to you, juan. governor cuomo from new york this week said people who are right to life pro-assault weapons and anti-gay have no place in the state of new york. is he saying no one can disagree with what he believes in, including the catholic church? >> i hope not, because to me it strikes me as intolerant. look, i happen to agree with governor cuomo on most of those issues, but i think the idea that you would shut the door and say people who have a different point of view are not allowed into our community really is intolerant, judge. i speak as someone who feels like, you know, it's a deep hurt

and surprise to me how much people on the left can say, oh, you know, we are the paragons of inclusion and tolerance and all the rest and then say something like what governor cuomo said about people on the right. i think he means people on the far right. i want to be fair to him. >> no, he said pro life, pro assault weapons and anti-gay. if you're pro life, it could be half the people in the catholic church are pro-life. is he going to say the cardinal doesn't belong in new york? >> yeah, i don't think that was a smart thing to say at all. >> i don't, either. so brad, go to you very quickly. then you have the new york city mayor saying, basically, i'm with him on that one. he's absolutely right. >> i guess this is a great example of the democrats' unity message. for the governor of the state of new york to come out and be that intolerant and that disrespectful, let's remember there are 29 million new yorkers, but how about the rest

of the state? but for new york would be a red state. the governor is pretty much disrespecting tens of millions of new yorkers for what purpose? he's the governor of the state. he should be bringing people together. >> i think we all agree it's mean-spirited. the president said in that interview in new yorker magazine that marijuana is less dangerous than alcohol in terms of its impact to the -- i believe it's individual consumer. what do you make of that one? what does that mean? >> i think that's actually true, judge. ask any doctor about cirrhosis of the liver and any damage done to the mind by alcohol -- >> what about lung cancer? you have to smoke that stuff. you're kidding, right? >> no, i'm not, and i'm not kidding when i talk about domestic abuse, car accidents, fights in bars. i think that's much more, in my life, what i've seen much more with alcohol -- >> come on. you know, when i was a da -- here we go, juan.

i was a da, you spoke a joint, your reflexes aren't quite as quick. you're going to get in an accident, too. i'm not saying i don't agree with some of what you're saying, but don't use that as an example. here's the thing. why do you think the president said that? i mean, if you can get cancer from smoking, i don't care if it's nicotine or grass or whatever, esophogeal problems, et cetera, why is he saying this? >> i think the issue is raised by the fact that you have the legalization decriminalization movement, you have what's going on in washington state, in oregon, in colorado, as you know, and so he was asked to speak to the issue. >> all right, brad, very quickly, your take on that? >> look, the president has advocated his authority as a leader when he let states trump federal law. as you know, judge, the president should be upholding federal law. but we've seen him pick and choose laws on immigration, on health care, on the environment and telling agencies, don't

enforce these laws. instead of the president coming out and doing something about it, using the power of the presidency, he's advocated to the states. >> there's no question, and i think when he did that, it's not a result of the states passing laws so much, juan, as it is the president having an agenda. anyway, juan, brad, thanks so much for being with us this evening. >> glad to be with you, judge. >> coming up, terror overtaking the olympics in russia. why is the state department telling team usa for the new mattress models

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games and is warning our athletes not to wear any team usa gear when they're not on olympic grounds. some members of team usa are even telling their families to stay home. all this as russian officials are reportedly on the hunt for potential suicide bombers. so-called black widows. so is a terror attack inevitable? with me, eric asterbach and ed. i'll start with you, ed. is it safe for people to attend the olympics in sochi, russia. >> i think it's safe because of the enormous police presence. i'm worried that russia is not sharing information with u.s. intelligence. >> why do you think the russians are not sharing that intelligence with the united states? we have a vested interest.

our people are there. >> the british did this during their olympics, the greeks did this during their olympics. it's a matter of pride. it's simply the way the russians operate. i think there are going to be terrorist attacks, judge, but i think it will be outside the sochi area, but i'm cautiously optimistic that russia can protect the games. >> eric, i'll go to you. we know that russia tried to tell us about the boston bombers and we also know that sochi where the games are being held is like 300 miles from chechnya where those bombers were from. do you think if there is a suicide bomber that it's a russian or americans? who are their targets? >> well, judge, this is a very interesting question, because if you look at chechnya, you look at dogitstan, yes, they want to break away from russia and form their own group.

we've seen them in somalia, yemen, syria. southern russia, chechnya is now becoming part of this jihad. so yes, first they'll target russian athletes, but a big question here is whether they also target westerners because of these al qaeda links that they have? >> okay. and fred, back to you. when russia says they are hunting these black widows, why the black widows in particular, and is it more difficult to identify a black widow than maybe a normal suicide bomber who is a male? >> well, lone wolf attackers are hard to find, but female lone wolf attackers are extremely hard to find. they can blend in. it's something officials are not ready to do. >> eric i'll go with that. aren't the black widows generally together, there's not just one, that they're together

in a team? >> that can vary, judge, but for them it's personal. it's idealogical. of course they are fanatics, but they lost their husbands. these husbands of black widows were terrorists killed by russian security officials. they will likely not be wearing the muslim veil. they'll be in street clothes. they'll have jeans on, a sweatshirt or what have you. you're not looking for a caucasian woman, let's be honest, when you're looking for an islamic terrorist. you're usually looking for a male, and that works to these black widows' add advantagvanta they're deadly. >> what can you tell us about the security? >> it's intense. 40,000 security forces that you know of, fighter jets overhead, incredible checkpoints, surveillance cameras. there's going to be ships in the black sea. it's going to be very intense in sochi. but i'm concerned there's going to be attacks elsewhere, maybe train lines to sochi, maybe train stations outside of sochi,

maybe in moscow. something, i think, is going to happen to embarrass putin, and if they can't get to sochi, there will be a big attack somewhere else in the country. >> i'll go to you, finally. there is no constitution in russia and they are now limited by the constitutional rights of people being investigated. do you feel at least that putin has a vested interest since he has tried so hard to come out on the international scene as a big power that, you know, he may have things under control? >> judge, he's going to pull out all the stops. and the thing about putin is he does not care about world opinion, he does not care about political correctness. he has shown time and time again that he will be heavy handed. and quite frankly he's not really concerned with civilian characters, either. so that gifves you the fact he s a pretty lawless guy, that gives you a glimmer of hope that he'll have such a tight rein on these

olympic games. and as you said, his reputation is on the line, and if these games are hit in a major way, putin takes a major hit as well. >> all right, eric and fred, thank you so much for being with us this evening. >> thank you, judge. and coming up, the american power grid could go down at any moment. do you know what to do if the lights go out? did you know that this little straw could save your life? information everyone my feet e end of thday. they used to get really tired. until i started gellin'. i got dr. scholl's massaging gel insoles. when they're in my shoes, my feet and legs feel less tired. it's like lking on a wave. dr. scholl's massaging gel insoles. i'm a believer!

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found crude explosives in his bag. those had been disabled. the gunfire triggered panic within the mall as people ran for cover. police response was quick but took several hours to evacuate all the stores. cops found the body of the suspect near a gun and ammunition. we still don't know his identity or why. i'm mary anne rafferty. now back to "justice" with judge jenin. this week i went to a meeting in manhattan. in the freezing cold. but when i came out of that meeting, i was frozen. not from the bitter temperatures, but from fear. i learned things that no one is talking about, things that can change my life, your life and the lives of everyone you know forever. i started thinking about how

fragile life is and how ill-prepared we are for this. the story i'm about to tell you is about the vulnerability of america's power system, our grid. and it's also about a series of forces and individuals who, instead of doing the right thing for you and me, are interfering with the ability to protect our way of life. who of us could ever envision a 9/11 happening? but the difference between 9/11 and what i'm about to tell you is that we know this can happen. the question is not will it happen but when will it happen? but washington is doing little, if anything, to prevent it. and the consequences, those consequences would be a million times worse than 9/11. one day you're enjoying the comforts of life. the next, everything is different. civilization as you know it is gone.

the death toll would be staggering. even a blue ribbon congressional commission predicted a major catastrophe with mass american fatalities. and government studies prove an electromagnetic pulse would destroy all electronics and the transformers that power everything, anything with an on/off switch. your hot water heater, your refrigerator, your dialysis machine, hospitals closed, grocery shelves empty. most of the food you have at home spoiled. and forget about your bank accounts. what you have in your pocket is all can you access. the disaster i'm talking about can be unleashed naturally by an intense solar flare or deliberately by an enemy detonating a nuclear weapon in the earth's atmosphere.

now, the earth is exposed to an intense solar flaring roughly every 150 years. the last time it occurred was 1859. do the math. we're due. reports are that our grid has already been penetrated by our enemies, leaving behind software programs that can compromise it. now, i'm not saying this to panic anyone. but everyone, including our enemies, knows that an artificially created electromagnetic pulse will shut down all power which risks our survival. what's even more frightening is that this can be prevented, but as with most problems, greed, self-interest, and politicians who care more about their next election than the american people and a total lack of leadership interfere with your safety. the shame is that the principal federal regulator who establishes standards for local

power companies is also tasked with promoting the interest of the utilities. how do you regulate and promote private companies at the same time? legislation intended to protect us has been blocked in washington. the fight, of course, is about money. private companies, they control 85% of the grid think the department of defense should pay to improve the infrastructure and vice versa. there is one bill, though, that can help us prevent this catastrophe and remedy our vulnerability. and make no mistake, this can be remedied. and one person holds the keys to the kingdom. congressman fred upton from michigan is the chair of the house energy committee where these kinds of laws are funneled. bills that can protect us are bottled up in his committee. they shouldn't be. this is not a partisan issue.

this should be recognized as one of the most important bills pending in washington today. curiously, though, almost 60% of congressman upton's campaign contributions are from electric utilities and lobbyists and oil and gas investors. in the interest of fairness, we've invited congressman upton to appear on this show for the last four weekends. he's declined. and his office didn't answer our request for a statement. so with me now is arizona congressman trent frank who served as chairman of the congressional electromagnetic pulse caucus. congressman, what is congress doing about the grid? >> well, first of all, thank you so much for allowing me to be on your program, and, judge, i would just have to say that some of us are working very hard to try to address this issue. it's important to reallyize that emp is not something that is a new discovery. this is something that some even

would call a cold war relic since the soviets had a major emp weapon many, many years ago. the military has clear consensus on this. we've spent hundreds and hundreds of millions, perhaps by now in the billions of dollars hardening our missile defense capability, our nuclear triad, many of our defense critical assets from this danger of electromagnetic pulse. so the consensus -- >> i don't mean to interrupt you, congressman, but what is the problem with getting legislation passed that will protect the american people from this inevitable problem? >> well, as you may know, i'm carrying two bills even now. i have worked very hard for the last several years to do exactly that. and the emp commission came before the armed services committee, of which i am a member, and from that moment forward, i began to work on this issue. there are approximately three of us that have really taken the reins of the issue.

>> taken the helm. who are the three, congressman, tell me. >> the other two are no longer in congress. >> i'm here to help you. congressman, this is a statement that the department of defense responded to fox news when we asked about the dangers of an emp. what the department of defense said was the department is unaware of any increase in the threat of a deliberate destructive use of an emp device. further, any reporting to any of the contrary without current threat assessments is both reckless and irresponsible. congressman, we know the grids are unprotected. why aren't they doing something? >> well, keep in mind, if you listen to that statement carefully, they're talking about any increase. i wouldn't really take any issue with that statement at all. the department of defense has been, i think, very forthright, as best they could. the challenge here is that they've hardened their critical assets, but they are dependent upon the civilian grid for approximately 99% of their electricity needs here in this country.

and so they are, in a sense, dependent on the civilian grid for their ability to effect their mission here in the united states. but ultimately -- >> but, congressman, doesn't that make it even more frightening that the military is dependent on this same grid? >> well, it frightens me greatly. the military is hardened where we are on the civilian side are not and that's what the shield attempts to -- and the protection act has now been assigned to the homeland security committee, and i've been assured that's going to get a hearing, and i have great hope and belief that it's going to pass. >> all right, so, congressman, you talk about a shield act. that was passed and then -- >> the shield act was not passed. it was not passed. >> but didn't the house pass it? >> you're talking about the grid act. i know there is a lot of nomenclature here. the grid act was passed unanimously out of the house. it went to the senate, and it had two elements to it, one being the emp protection.

it also had cybersecurity protection, and, of course, for the 100 senators, they have different strategies on how to deal with cybersecurity, and that's what stopped the bill. and it was unfortunate, to say the very least. >> well, unfortunate and -- >> i was a co-sponsor of that bill. >> congressman, what can people do to get their legislators involved in this? >> well, from my perspective, if they could call their own members of congress and ask them to support both the shield act and cipa, the critical infrastructure protection act, that would help me greatly. just by word of encouragement, judge, i just came from london. i chair the world summit on electroinfrastructure security, and a lot of people met with lloyd's of london in london, no less, and it encouraged me because i think the insurance companies are understanding the danger here, and i think they're going to supply both the economic incentive and disincentive if necessary to get people to look at it as they should. >> all right.

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so what happens if the power does go out? short of building yourself a bunker, is there anything you can do to prepare? my next guest says yes. scott hunt is ceo of practical preppers. sco scott, you're an engineer. you got into this not because your nutso over this happening, but you got into this because you started to see there were some disasters that left us without the ability it take care of ourselves. you say you're preparing for the power grid to go down and that it's sething everyone should do. why? >> basically because, first of all, it's good to be here with you, judge, but if the grid goes down for whatever reason it is, and i don't care if it's an emp or a snowstorm or ice storm or whatever, if the grid goes down, all of our infrastructure, water, food, fuel, the delivery of electricity, telecommunications, that goes

down, if that infrastructure goes down, it doesn't take long before people are going to be severely compromised, they're going to die, they're going to be in a bad situation. >> all right. so when -- how would you recommend that people, you know, get ready for something like this? and you brought some of the items that you say could help save you and your family in the event that this were to happen. >> sure. and there's two this. there are people that are working on hardening the grid, and there is individual preparedness, and that's what we're sharing here, individual preparedness, things that you can do -- >> show us. >> you have one of these, i believe. a life straw. >> can you slit that oplit that? here's my life straw. is it magic? what do i do with it? >> if you went out to the hudson river, took this straw and put it in the water and drank out of it, you could drink 260 gallons in this straw and it would be

safe potable water coming out. >> this is a filter, right? >> it's a filter. >> so we could drink water if the municipal systems went down or something. >> right. it's very important that you have potable water for you and your family. >> what else did you bring, scott? >> we brought stoves, we have faraday cages, we have generators. let's start with a generator. this generator is a hand-cranked generator. it's silent but it would produce all the power you would need to keep critical things going, cell phones, tablets, radios. keeping small refrigerators. >> scott, i don't mean to rush you but i really want to get all this in. that's a hand-held generator for your laptops. >> hand-held generator. >> what else do you have there? >> in order to cook food, i believe you picked up food that i recommended. in order to do that, you snenee some sort of stove. these are examples of biomass

stoves. they use wood. and some faraday bags, prepare for those things, put those devices in the bag and then put them in a faraday cage, which is over here, which is just a trash can. none of these are very expensive solutions, but everyone can do it. this is just a galvanized can, cardboard lined, and if you put your objects in there, they will be protected from an emp pulse. >> i have with me in the studio, and folks, it's not dog food, it's the kind of food you can buy which is freeze dried. this is lasagne with meat sauce, macaroni and cheese, shrimp, that kind of thing that i guess you just add water and you're able to survive on it. scott, i just want to thank you for being with us. give us your website, scott. >> it's practicalpreppers.com. thank you for having me. >> thanks for being with us this evening. we'll have you on again, scott. thank you. >> thanks, judge. [ male announcer ] this is the story of the little room

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yesterday, the prayers of the little sisters of the poor were answered. the group who care for the sick and elderly received an injunction from the united states supreme court protecting them from obama care's contraception mandate while the case is still being considered. you recall that justice sotomayor signed it originally and now the full court said not so fast to the justice department. with me now is dr. ben carson. what's your reaction to this ruling in favor of the little sisters?

>> well, obviously i'm very happy about it. you know, it's kind of frightening that we ever arrived in this situation, where, you know, an outstanding religious organization like the little sisters have to go to court. there was a time when we had respect for freedom of religion, which is one of the poufounding pillars of our nation. but it is encouraging that our divided government was starting to work. i was starting to wonder what was going on. so this is not only a victory for the little sisters, this is a victory for the entire united states and all the american people. let's hope that all the branchs of government will look at this and say you know what? we have a responsibility to the people, we don't have a responsibility to a party. >> of course, this is simply an injunction until the full hearing on the underlying facts. but it is good news. now, dr. carson, in an interview

with "the new yorker" this week that a lot of people are talking about, the president blamed racism for his poor approval ratings. not obamacare or any of the other failed policies. what's your response to that? >> you know, i think that it's ridiculous. i mean, the policies that he has espoused have started to have effects on individuals now. you know, you look at all the things that have happened under his administration. you know, benghazi, irs, nsa, fast and furious, on and on it went. in a way, people are kind of slumbering through it, and now, you know, it's hitting them. and they're coming out. and now they're looking at all these various things. it has nothing to do with race, quite frankly. i find people who like to make excuses tend to be people who don't get a lot accomplished. you look back at the original

siamese twins joined at the chest. not only were they successful, they were farmers. they got married, they had a family and remained stuck together. people today, they hurt their little pinky and they want workman's comp. we have to get away from the excuse mentality and think about what we can do, not what we can't do and who is preventing us. no one can prevent you. if you have the right mind set. he needs to develop the right mindset. >> i agree with that. dr. carson, do you feel that the country is more divided since president obama has been in office? >> of course it's more divided, but what would one expect? what do community organizers do? it's you against you. we can't blame the president. we put him in there. we knew what he was. >> it's interesting that whole idea of race and blaming racism and the country for a poor

approval rating and the bottom line is the whites overwhelmingly elected him. but the first time any way. dr. carson, they say they're drafting you for president. what say you? >> i say that i'm very hopeful that someone will come along who really grasps the importance of the things that are going on in this country and gets a lot of traction, in which case i would get strongly behind them. >> good answer. dr. ben carson, thanks for being with us tonight. >> thank you. slgz >> and now for tonight's poll. we asked is america more divided since president obama became president? mary says -- far left liberals versus the tea party.

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