england. she was raised in michigan. have a great weekend. i am mig gwinn k-- megyn kelly. >> this is not just cold. this is a killer. >> if it isn't a climate change then what is it? >> as an american i am here to say we need to act. >> all dramatic weather is our fault. >> oh my god. >> terrible tornadoeses in t n tornadoes in oklahoma. >> makes you want to ask al gore about that but where is he? >> whether gore is like about global warming doesn't matter. you already pay. >> who will win this war? >> it's a happy ending. >> we will search for that. that's our show tonight.

>> and now, john stossel. >> i titled this program, chill out because after i researched the global warming scare, this was my conclusion. we ought to just chill out. our government isn't chilling out. you pay billions to try to fix global warming. this year the hill the washington newspaper that covers congress says climate will be the political battle of 2014 s. big money is being spent to convince americans to do more to stop global warming. we will go to bill my tnye the science guy who will debate planet depot.com. stossel you don't believe in global warming? is i do. i think it's a stupid question. what do you mean when you say

global warming? is to mequestions. is the globe warming. well, yes. global temperatures have risen. knotted lately so much. is the warming man-made? is it our fault? three, is it a crisis? and four, if it is can we do anything about it? bill ny's answers to those questions are yes, yes, yes and yes. for years he told his viewers beware of... >> what we call global warming. the globe is getting too warm. it's something we have to be careful of. otherwise things could get weird. >> bill nye joins us now along with climate change sceptic mark morano. why aren't you scared? >> we are able to look at their predictions they made in the 80s and start to see them fail. out of 117 climate models they

showed 114 failed. when the predictions are failing them they claim it is worse than they thought. the burden of proof is on them they failed to make the case. >> in 1750 there was a billion humans in the world now there are well over 7 billion people in the world. it more than doubled in my lifetime. all these people trying to live in the developed world is filling the atmosphere with a great deal more carbon dioxide i'd and other greenhouse gases that existed a come centuries ago. it is the speed which it is changing that will be trouble some for so many large populations of humans around the world. you may have heard about the hockey stick graph. this is where we compare the temperature of the world over the last 10,000 years with the temperature now. we think of it as --

>> oh my god it is going to shoot up. >> it is shooting up. it is not going to it is shooting up. so it's the speed that we are going to have difficulty dealing with, but -- >> temperature hasn't increased in the past 15 years it isn't shooting up. >> when you cherry pick the data for certain surface temperatures you end up with a very small change. hardly noticeable. people tried to introduce the idea that scientific uncertainty plus or minus a few percent are equivalent to doubt the whole thing. this is analogous to the cigarette industry and cancer. trying to introduce the idea you can't prove any one thing the whole thing is in doubt. >> as a consumer reporter, i have covered a thousand scares lawn chemicals pesticide rescues plastic bod els killing people. power lines, mad cow disease was going to kill everybody.

all were the example of yeah they were doubters about cigarettes. that one example doesn't mean the global warming scare is there. >> the global rm with aing scientists are fulfilling the narrative. we have one of the lead u.n. scientists took an endowment from barbra streisand. he's the climb tol gist of the stars. >> barbra streisand wants to give me money i'll take it. >> it is insulting to see skeptical scientists like tobacco temperatures it is the height of arrogance when you look at the actual data. the global warming scientists through government grants, foundation, media, empowerments have the full advantage of government money, foundation money, university money. there is not even any comparison yet we have scientists lick james lublock who reversed himself. >> a lot of scientists serious

ones are worried. >> the ones you always point to genuine scientists are united in a i goses. the head came out last year or the year before and said their mission is to make the case cot is driving global warming. they put the cart before the horse. many u.n. scientists have turned on it. a swedish scientist said we wouldn't notice the warming of the 20th century if it weren't for modern the hockey stick is absurd. that has been called statistical rubbish and hundreds of scientists and dozens of studies shown both the medieval and roman warming period and these are the journal as warm or warmer than current temperatures. >> bill? >> see if we can agree about this. there used to be a billion people a couple centuries ago there are now 7 billion. >> we agree on that and the air is cleaner and people are living better and fewer people are starving because of capitalism

and industrialization. >> do we agree the atmosphere used to have 250 parts per million now it has over 4 million. >> there is more greenhouse gas out there. >> ice ages between 200 and 8,000 parts per million and similar temperatures with 20 times the co2 levels. >> climate changes. if p you look over time we have a graph from the year thousand to today. we have the medieval warming period the middle ice age. >> you have really messed with the far right ahappened side. >> that's the united nation draf prehockey stick. >> do you agree it has never happened this fast? >> we have had without benefit of mankind similar co2 levels without mankind's influence in if the recent past. it comes down to hundreds of factors are influencing our climate here. co2 is not the tail that baggwa

the dog. another from krur refrom georgia institute of technology. she says openly you cannot control weather by reducing emissions. that seems to be the entire premise of the united nations somehow if we speak emissions we can alter weather patterns. you open up with tornadoes and barbara boxer she went down to the senate floor and applied a carbon tax would help prevent future foreitornado out breaks. this is medieval witchcraft. >> every time there's a weather extreme some say the cause was man-made global rm with aing. >> tomorrow morning 90 percent of the country will face below normal temperatures. if this isn't climate change what is it? >> it is because of the burning of pfossil fuel. >> we have had the largest toronto ever recorded on earth. and the fastest hurricane ever recorded on earth. they hit within 6 months of each other. >> terrible tornadoes in oklahoma. horrible. carbon could cost us the planet. >> senator barbara boxer the very day of the oklahoma

tornadoes. global warming is going to cost us the planet? oo the planet will be here but if we have to continually rebuild and displace people. >> the idea that the un states or developing worlds should limit their energy choices based on rising co2 fairs is scientifically baseless. the geologic record bears it out and current weather bears it out. in the 20th century hurricanes are at the historic lows right now. >> the oeklahoma tornado was th biggest ever. >> we have had better monitoring. we wihad the lowest record on tornadoes. >> i am struck how there is constant media hysteria. in 41 it was reported world war ii caused weather extremes. in 1961 the new york times says scientists agree the world is become will colder.

scientists worried about a new ice age. now we worry about warming. shouldn't we be skeptical? >> i am sure people would say science advanced so much more. science is always going to advance. the point is this is the narrative of our day. bill keeps going on about over population. the problem is if people now recognize one of the biggest problems is under population. the population is going to level off. so the hysteria has been -- >> we disagree about the facts. >> the problem is not just that there are more people in india and china. it is they are using more energy than they want to use. >> why is that a problem? that's a good thing. >> would you deny them that? jerry brown said they couldn't emulate american lifestyle. how is a wealthy in europe to

tell people of color 1.3 billion they can't have who we have. who is bill nye to tell them they can't have carbon based energy. >> we don't want to have less. we want to do more with less. this is where the innovations come in emerging technologies come in. but embracing technologies that produce extra carbon dioxide i'd, extra greenhouse gases at this point in how man history is not in our best interest. >> i want to play one more video example to end. this idea that politicians can fix the climate strikes me as arrogance. we heard arrogance 6 years ago from our president after he defeated hillary clinton. >> this is a moment when the rise began to slow and the planet began to heal. >> isn't this the conceit the self anointed politicians are going to fix the climate?

>> by way of example is it conceit when politicians claim they are going to fix potholes in the street. >> no, they can do that. >> when politicians say they are going to time the traffic lights. >> when is it conceit when politicians say they are going to clean up the water in it chesapeake bay. >> is that inappropriate. those things have been done. it's the same thing on a much much larger scale. >> thank you bill nye and mark more r morano. to keep the conversation going on facebook or twitter hash tag chill out you can let me know what you and others think. the search for al gore. will we find him? also how politicians pretend to stop global warming by promising people free stuff. that's how i got this free golf cart. totally free. well, free for me. you taxpayers pay for it. when it comes to good nutrition...i'm no expert.

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so what. it's still a tiny amount. windmills and solar power combined less than 4 percent of the energy we use and they are expensive. they only exist because they get billions in subsidies from you. i think these subsidies are a scam. we need to do it oh help are global warming. robert you say we need these subsidies. >> there might be better ways of accomplishing what president obama is trying to do but given the rough and tumble politics and we can't do the most direct things which would be the tax carbon i am not sure why to take off on green sup sid des i would like to seifuer of them but i don't see a reason to strip them off of renewable energy wihen h exist in fossil soules nuclear energy and elsewhere. >> i say get rid of all

subsidies. green subsidies get noticed because they are so much bigger. >> they aren't that big. >> i have a list here. if you look at natural gas oil and coal less than a penny per megawatt hour but wind is 100 times what oil gets. and some a thousand times more. >> that makes all of the sense in the world. what is immature about fossil fuel? what subsidies are typically used to do is to help technologies that are start up and aren't likely to make it. it would need help to become profitable to gain a major volume. the real question you ought to be asking john is why are there subsidies for coal, natural gas and fossil fuels. >> i don't know. i agree. let's get rid of all of them. for the new areas it has been 20-years at least when is it no longer baby steps for them?

>> as long as we don't tax carbon they are probably going to need some help. carbon based fuels have advantages. i thooeps not necessary for 10 but it is a good thing right now compared to the alternative that is available politically. >> what about the wasted money on these subsidies? solyndra do i at lot $500 million, another one went up $400 million. i got a free golf cart because of an idiot electric car subsidies where there was so much of a tax credit the cart was free. >> these are illustrative of nothing in particular. it was a one-year program because there was all of this money going into stimulus and the government was looking for win-win situations and somebody had the idea. i don't think it's a terrible one let's encourage golf carts and see if they can become a

larger mode of transportation. >> is electric power so clean? >> not now at the moment overwhelmingly, although it has become cleaner partly as a result of the greater use of natural gas. will h let me point out the federal government subsidiary died hydraulic fracking or fracking technology that's another example where the government invested in the new technology and we are getting benefits of that right now by having cheap gas. >> they may have invested in the fracking technology in the 60s and 70s but it wasn't until 30 years later industry on its own often in spite of government created the wonderful natural gas that lowered greenhouse gas ee maemission. >> you are the head of america on this stuff. >> parts of europe. a lot of europe is in the way

they encourage renewable energy. >> england for example. >> germany especially. >> germany is now cutting back reducing alternative energy subsidies. miracle says we need to tame the cost explosion. this will be the central project of her next government. they tried it they found it hurt poor people. >> i don't think it is the central project. be that as it may there is a tradeoff of costs which is a real issue and has to be faced. it has political ramifications thae not surprising. there's no question from a stand oint of long-term fuel availability you want to have renewable energy. >> it is fine wonderful and clean. when the market makes it work we will have it. we have to wait until the technology happens. the free market will make it happen. government force makes it worse.

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>> what's power in your ttv set. where does the electricity come from? wind, solar power? is we get most from natural gas nuclear power and coal. 86 percent of the power comes from those three sources of energy and this provide the most. though probably not for long because the government passed new rules it makes it impossible to burn coal. senator obama said that's what he would do if he were elected president. >> if they want to build the coal power plant it will bankrupt them because they are going to be charged a huge sum for all of the greenhouse gas being ee meted. >> that's what happened now. epa rules make opening a new plant impossible and may shut down existing plants. maybe that is a good thing. burning this stuff makes a third

of the greenhouse gases. the previous gas said much less nuclear power gives off no co 2shg. since continues dirty why not kiss occ discourage it. why is that a terrible idea? >> it is a terrible idea. we have the coal in the ground here in the united states. it is print i feel the best reap serves in the world yet we have the president who is making us go overseas to sell it. europe like you said is moving absolutely towards coal because it is a great emerging market for us. >> it is going to bake the earth with greenhouse gases. global warming. >> we hear that a lot. even if you put the climate change discussion aside you have to can loo at the fact that so many other countries like germany are moving towards coal and it is happening more rapidly. what we have in the united

states will be quickly nullified by what's going on overseas. i don't think the president is cal nating that in his decisions right now. >> if global warming is hysteria this stuff pollutes the air more than natural gas, more than wind power or solar power. if we discourage it it is a nice thing to do for people. >> we are burning more coal using more electricity creating more electricity at a time when the air is as clean as it has been. what is frustrating we get zero credit for the progress we have made. >> your industry has found amazing ways to clean the stuff before it leaves the smoke stack. >> what we are frustrated with we have the laboratory based technologies that don't exist in the real world that the president's supporters think we should use in coal that will have negligible effect in the environment but knock us out of

the workplace. >> you don't have any polytheists lal support it's not like that. some members of congress that produce fossil fuels have been critical of his regulation. >> he needs to put his foot off the neck of the energy providers. >> they can't win they are the minority. >> they are minority in most cases. democrat mansion is a strong voice for coal but you look at the initiatives they tend to die either on harry reid's desk or by the president's veto. this presidented the most powerful man on the planet targeted our industry. this term he is far mortar getting the usage of coial. it is putting people out of work. >> it is not just the president. sierra club it is an outdated backward dirty 19th century technology. >> that is what the anti coal

activists say time and time again. they offer no solutions. your previous guest talked about the importance of renewable energy. for every giga watt of renewable energy you need a gig ga watt of technology. you don't have the reliable technology. >> thank you. he's a lobbyist, let's talk about somebody in the coal business who gets his hands dirty. west virginia coal miner nelson what's happened where you live? >> people are losing their jobs and power and people are losing their homes. west virginia is taking a beating. >> maybe it's a good thing for people black lung disease a lot of harm comes from people like you. >> technology has come a long way. everything is only about the bad side. they are not showing the advancements we have made.

>> one of the other things i noticed where you live electricity is much cheaper? half of the price of where i live. >> kentucky west virginia i pay twice as much. >> it is the cheapest fossil fuel we have. nobody has come up with the answer we have this technology. >> we have natural gas. >> you can't give one monopoly either. if we give up coal you think the prices will stay down? no, they will go up. >> they are going to be in everybody's backyard. >> thank you, mark. thank you mark. i hope you and your friends keep that you are jobs. >> and we thank you for that. coal miners we don't want handouts, we want our jobs back.

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>> they are experiencing faster melting. if this were to go sea level worldwide would go up 20 feet. this is what would happen in florida. >> 20 feet? oh my goodness. we might drown. al gore's movie an inconvenient truth won him an oscar and nobel prize. much of the movie is nonsense. sea legals may rise 20 feet is absurd. even the ipc says maybe 3 feet. there are other problems with the film i wanted to ask the

former vice president about. i have this special green phone just for him. we gave the office the phone number but he doesn't call. he wasn't ever to my knowledge fielded questions from skeptical reporters or scientists. i wish he would because there are so many odd claims in his movie. for example he says the world's west discientist thousands of tm are unanimous. we must on global warming. >> the best in the world from 113 countries issued four pun man nows reports saying we have to deal with it. >> the ipcc reports ever been unanimous that you are aware of? >> that's a clap from a documentary that rebutts inmuchf what he said. it's called "an inconsistent truth." it has an example of mr. gore's appearance were cbefore congres. >> you must have been listening

to the testimony with dozens of experts who came in giving different views. >> there are people who still believe the moon landing was staged on a movie lots in arizona. >> we are idiots who think the balloon landing was a -- moon landing was a fake. >> the inconsistent truth is made by fill valentine. where can you see the movie? >> it is amazon.com. it is available on dvd. >> what bothers you about the vice president is the hypocrisy. >> yes. >> meaning? >> meaning he lives the life of a king has four or five houses. he flies around in private jets and tells us we need to lower our carbon footprint to save the planet. >> they looked at his electric bill. >> he was using 10-15 times the electricity of the average household even after he greened his house. he got some kind of certificate

from the green people out there that said he had done a wonderful job greening his house. >> before that he was using 20 times. >> 20 times that is right. >> tried to get an interview with al gore. we went to the book signing but we were blocked from getting near the vice president. then they went to one of al gore's homes. >> just wanted al gore to do an interview. is he at one of his other houses? >> he doesn't have any more houses? >> he has one in virginia. >> no. >> place in san francisco? >> no. >> yes. he has several other houses. tipper may be living in one of them. i am not sure where he is since they split. your move he of a has a section of that. >> he owns a home in virginia outside washington, d.c. he owns two properties in in california. a condo over looking san

francisco bay and ocean view villa in montecito. then there's the house and farm in tennessee and then the mansion in nashville. oh and the humongous houseboat he keeps on a lake in tennessee. he calls it bio solar one. >> he is a partner in venture capital firm that backs the if is kariye company. they ju-- fiskar car company. >> the car's name is karma. how appropriate. >> it costs 100,000 dollars. >> that's for the little people. another movie thanks oh al gore. americans are concerned about global warming but do they understand what they are talking about. >> you believe in global warming? >> yes, i do. >> do you believe in global warming? >> yes. >> do you believe in global warming? >> yes. >> and why? >> why? because -- i don't know. >> i ask the hardest questions

don't i? >> humans. >> doing everything we do cameras and -- >> things? >> you probably picked the silliest examples. >> no, we didn't. this is what we dgot. this is their believe in global warming is very wide but understanding is very shallow. >> it's the cool thing to do. >> that's right. it is hip. but they need to know why. that is why we encourage critical thinking. people need to know why they believe what they believe. there's no consensus on global warming. >> one of the myths you attack the 3,000 scientists at the intergovernmental panel. it is important to remember icpp is the intergovernmental on climate change. the 3,000 concluded 95 percent chance man is causing it. >> unanimous.

>> of course it wasn't unanimous. >> there were thousands involved in the making of the report. >> there were viewers. we have several of the reviewers in the movie as well. what these people do with the policy report is they cherry pick what they want to feed to the press. they feed the hysteria to the press and leave the rest of it to report and watch it. >> what's in it? >> people are making tons of money. if you want to get a government grant blabl it global warming and get a government grant. no government is going to fund things that says the sun is doing this. we found out that is predominantly what people thought. >> by the way, carbon the shortened this. carbon dioxide i'd is what we inhale. >> they call it a pollutant. >> what we inhale is not a pollutant. they shortened it to carbon.

like the lump of coal people think it's awful and sinister and dirty. he conjoined smog with carbon dioxide side. there is none in smog. >> it is what plants breathe in. >> it is what they need for food. >> the relationship we have with plants and it is a good thing for the planet. >> thank you phil valentine. and mr. gore, if you are watching, please, give us a call. coming up the moral case for fossil fuel. [ male announcer ] this is betsy. her long day of pick ups and drop offs begins with arthritis pain... and a choice. take up to 6 tylenol in a day or just 2 aleve for all day relief. all aboard.

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>> (chanting) >> they are upset about fracking for natural gas. natural gas is relatively clean. it's increased use as lowered america's greenhouse gas emission. good. but some people still hate it and hate all fossil fuel. it is immoral they say to make money putting carbon in the air. alex from the center of industrial progress says the opposite is true. what do you mean? >> i think natural gas is not only amazing but i admire the oil industry and coal industry.

this is the only industry in the world that creates reliable energy on a global scale. these are the guys allowing us to be comfortable in a studio when it is freezing outside they make it possible to have clean water to do what wie want and t have scientific research. there's a pin that says i love fossil fuel. >> you sometimes wear this t-shirt on college campus i love fossil fuel. do people come up and say what's wrong with you? >> part of the reason i got into this is i went to all of the best schools supposedly as a kid. i never learned about the value of energy. if you appreciate the value of energy you have to appreciate the value of pos sill fuel. >> poor people around the world have better lives because of the fuels americans now hate. >> it is note worthy particularly they have better environments. we hear fossil fuels are destroying the planet. we live on the cleanest safest planet in history. we have heard we have destroyed

the planet we will talk more about that. we are actually 50 times safer from the climate than we were 80 years ago because we have the technology that is powered by fossil fuels. >>nd a the wealth we burn more energy than anybody else and our air is cleaner. >> we have to look at what is the pbig picture and the all terne tive. we used to burn wood and have indoor pollution. we used to burn colon side. now we have decentralized power plants and all of these amazing things. it is knob against that it is best energy. right now that is fossil fuel. >> burning wood is purple? >> yes. one thing with the renewable in this europe because of the mandates is woods. it is going back to barbarism. >> a few years ago europe was caught in the frenzy over carbon

emissions. they paid for this commercial. >> there was once a land where the weather was very, very strange. there were awful heat waves in some parts in other places terrible storms and foods. some places would disappear under the sea. they would have to live with the horrible consequences. the grown-ups decided they had to do something. >> is there a happy ending? >> it tells you how you can reduce your carbon footprint. what is wrong with that? >> we are talking about it to use less energy that's like saying it is noble to have less money. more always better energy is a capacity to keep it productive. it should never be an ideal. the pos ill fuel energy is making the planet more dangerous the story is the exact opposite of this fairy tale. they are take can a dangerous

climate and making it safe. they should go outside to live naturally with nature. >> how old are you? >> i am 33. >> you have come a long way. thank you, alex. >> coming up my personal battles with pollution and global warming. >> even here within sight of the empire state building a short distance of millions of people flushing, i am willing to do this. low prices, we can afford to take more trips this year. -hit the beach in florida. -and a reunion in seattle. [man] when hotels have unsold rooms, they use hotwire to fill them. [woman] so we got our 4-star hotels... for half price. ♪ h-o-t-w-i-r-e ♪ hotwire.com

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>> i am such a good citizen riding my bike to earth. i am going to save the earth. what a dope that guy is. the earth will not notice if he rides his bike to work. somehow i know better i get a smug satisfaction riding my bike. >> it feels green. >> tough to resist the global warming propaganda. hard to see the big picture. it affects people on both sides of the debate. i laughed a few weeks ago when i heard global warming activists were trapped in ice. has been trappedship with 74 in ice in antarctica. >> the ice breaker is coming to rescue us. >> brilliant. >> the original chinese rescue battle is now stuck in the ice. >> ed fashioned th-- the fact tt

more ice in antarctica doesn't prove that global warming is foolish the recent gold snap doesn't say it either. someone segmentuggested it did. >> tit could be destroyed in on cold weekend. >> john stewart got that right. what he and the big government left don't get is there are more peer review studies that show greenhouse gases. there are computer models that suggest big problems. many already turned out to be wrong. even if the models were accurate but the zell louts want us to ride a bike to work, buy a prius, pay more for these and pay much more for cars than electricity. won't make any difference. the earth won't care. america is a small part of the world. china builds a new coal plant

every week. it will be years before we know whether global warming is a threat. possibly by then if we haven't crushed our economy with soup and regulation we will invent good enough technology to do something about it. we don't have in now. and the things we are doing are poujd r poumare pointless. >> act on climate change. >> these will not make any measurable difference. environmental activists say if we don't love their endless regulations with the light bulbs we don't care about the earth. we can love nature and still hate the tyranny of their ruling. but we do need some rules. when uci was a kid the air arou here was filthy. we didn't open windows. soot would come in. industry put scrubbers in smoke stacks and cad lytic converters

on cars. the air got cleaner. towns now have sewage treatment plants. the rivers around manhattan are clean enough that people can swim in them even here within sight of the empire state building within a short distance of millions of people flushing. i am willing to do this. they do sometimes find bodies in if the river, but the water is clean enough to swim in. three cheers for anti pollution regulations. carbon dioxide i'd is not pollution. environmental zell louts confuse people by comparing greenhouse gas to smog and soot. they are very different. carbon dioxide may turn out to be not a problem at all. the world has real problems, malaria, desperate poverty. fewer jobs get created because we have too many rules. we don't need more micro management from the epa. we needless.

let's chill out about global warming. then free people will create a better world. that's our show. see you next week. and we'll kick it off now with huckabee. >> tonight on huckabee, the combined trends of increased inequality and decreasing possibility pose a threat to the american dream. >> the president is selling class warfare but are millennials buying it? >> terror threat in the winter olympics are americans in danger? stephen seigle gives his take. plus why is one of the hottest stars getting heat from the hollywood elot? and on on ♪ i will survive. >> disco boat with