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day. i don't want to say it again. temulency. ms. megyn, coming up next, always remember, the spin stops here, we're definitely looking i'm megyn kelly live in the heart of new york city, and tonight, breaking news on governor christie and the new attack on the possible presidential contender.. >> i knew nothing about this. i had no knowledge of this, my first found out about it after it's over. >> we're live in the late breaking details and the critical question. plus... the president really stopped the rise of the ocean? we have an eye-opening
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interview. and then... a full scan of your body and the laughter begins. outrageous stories from a tsa agent who is spilling the beans about really happens in the security line. tonight on the "kelly files". tonight a look at what some are now calling bomb shell new allegations against the man who could be the next republican nominee for president live in times square tonight folks i'm megyn kelly a former new jersey transportation official is making claims tonight. suggesting the governor lied about when he knew of the gw bridge lane closure. and this afternoon, details of a letter are a lawyer of now former port-authority employee appeared in the "new york times" setting up breathless headlines like
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this one in the huffington post reading chris christie knew about lane closings. usa today, quote, christie knew about lane closings on the bridge. if you read here is what it alleges, quote, evidence exists as weather tieing mr. christy to having knowledge of the lane closures during the period when the lanes were closed. contrary to what the governor stated in a press conference. right now it's like what? huh? we're going to explain whether this is a deal or not. tieing him to having knowledge, evidence exists tieing him to having knowledge? what does that mean? he knew? is that what you mean? they want to you say he knew? it's not what the letter says more in just a moment. here is what governor christie said in
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the news conference.. >> i knew nothing about this. and i'm still, it's starting to be reported and then i was told it's a traffic study. i had no knowledge of this, the planning or execution i found out bit after it's over. and even then, what i was told is that it's a traffic study and there is no evidence to the contrary until yesterday. that was brought to my attention or anyone else's attention. >> eric shawn is live in our new york city newsroom with the latest. >> well, governor christie did appear in public but did note talk about this accusation he attended howard stern's 60th birthday and took the mic, only to introduce john bon jovi the governor said nothing about the claim, and the questions from reporters you can see as he
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left. but accusing the governor of not telling the truth about when he found out about closings this month. the governor said in part it only learned about the whole thing after it happened. >> i had no knowledge of this, of the planning, execution or anything about it. then, i first found out about it after it's over. and even then, what i was told is that it's a traffic study. >> that is not true, says the lawyer, who claims evidence exists that contradicts the governor the lawyer does not say what that is. he also does not claim the governor knew the scheme is now bid deputy chief of staff or it was supposedly part of the political pay back plot. what the governor's office says the lawyer supports the claims, governor krift ease statement does not address accusation he
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knew of the closings at the time his lawyer claims he did. and m is only wrapping up more a massive material from the new jersey investigative committee, both subpoenas due on monday. public hearings expected to start within weeks back to you. >> thank you. for more we're joined by a former campaign fund-raiser for president obama and a democratic consultant and steve lonagan once ran against governor christie. but snou an ally of his. the breathlessness, right? of this, and the way they ran to say he lied and lied about what he knew. what does a former aide said to his lawyer is that there is evidence tieing governor christie of having knowledge. your take on this? >> the liberal media and democrats looking for a bomb
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shell. what they have is a dud they're saying the governor knew the lanes were closed during the time they're closed well, surprise so did about 10 million people other people, of course the governor is going to know it he never denied he knew lanes were closed. what he denied is that he had any knowledge of the planning or used for retribution or whatever, which is wrong, no doubt bit. but the governor has yet to be proven wrong. >> he did come out and say in that press yes, i didn't find out about the lane closures he didn't say lane closures he said i did not find out about it until it was over. this aide is saying no. he knew while it's going on. >> it's worse than. that very to tell you when you look at what he said in his press conference he said he didn't know about the lane closures and the entire
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thing until after patrick foyer's e mail came out, >> the port authority guy? >> the port authority guy. >> this is starting to take on a character of a political scandal where it becomes clear the person of interest in this case is hiding something. >> slowly come out, drip, drip, drip, that discredit and disproves some of the things he said. >> but i don't, i am looking for that in this particular allegation tonight. justs a lawyer i look at language i don't see it. what i see is someone saying there is evidence closure when lanes knowledge were closed let's assume that is true. okay? why do we care if he knew? you tell me. how could he care? that is the question. isn't the question did he know prior? >> they're not saying he knew prior. but to call him a person of interest? it's like being prosecuted. >> this is not the first time
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coming out that discredits the governor's image. >> this is a third or fourth thing. so first of all it came out he has a picture on september 11thth at the september 11thth... he claims he didn't know wildstein as well as others >> right. he went to high school with him. and appoints him to a position that makes a lot of money. he said someone in his administration recommended these guys. >> there are 3 or 4 things besides that, right, so we have the foyer e mail that comes out. governor christie says he didn't know about the lane closures until then you have allegations with, sorry. the fact he went to high school tonight, didn't know him. >> he said he didn't. let me clear that up. we're not going to indict the governor on stuff we don't have evidence on the governor came out and said i knew this guy
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the guy accusing him now. we weren't that time. right? we twoent high school together. the reason i hired him is because a guy i am kind of buddies with said so and i said okay. here is what i want to say. this guy wildstein comes out and says, i can prove that christy knew about the lane closures before they were happening. that is what he claims he played a sound byte from the presser. said i didn't find out about it until it was over. that could be interpreted to mean until they were done. governor christie doesn't say i deny knowing about it while it's happening. he said i deny knowing about it prior to lane closures. these fwois are talking past each other. >> let's -- >> which raises the spiedy
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senses of most people. >> the governor has a right to be proven innocent, to be proven guilty. there is no hard evidence he knew about this before it happened. he knew while it's taking place but so did everybody else, so what is the big deal? more subpoenas getting returned and responses coming in on monday, so we'll see. gentlemen, thank you. >> thank you. >> brecking tonight new details on a super bowl scare just 48 hours before the big game, letters containing a white powdery substance mailed to at least five locations neert stadium this afternoon. rick? >> reporter: law enforcement sources tell me they're 90% sure this was nothing that initial tests show the material harmless, likely corn starch but they have to check them out. especially on super bowl weekend. they'll be testing at a crime lab but we can tell you some envelopes were sent to some
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hotels some were never opened but several hotels did receive sus spishus kwlerts that prompted this response by local and state police, and the fbi joint terrorism task force. part of the more than 100 agencies assigned to secure super bowl 48 with officers and agents mond monitoring from a post filled with feeds from hundreds of cameras we can tell you the pentagon announced there will be a flyover of military fighter jets at the stadium monitoring air space over met life because it will be restricted on super bowl sunday >> rick, thank you. >> we're here in times square because of the super bowl. this is where important sports people are going to be broadcasting to you on sunday so they put me here tonight. that makes sense. we're also following developments tonight on two presidential interviews making news. less than 24 hours
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after "the kelly file" reported, president obama threatening action. listen. >> it's my firm belief we can get immigration reform done this year. and i don't want to presuppose we can't. if, at some point we see it's not getting done. i'm going look at all options to make sure we have a rational, smart system of immigration. >> richard fowler and tucker carlson co-host of fox and friends weekend the first time house republicans come out with a plan saying this is how we think we can get it done but nothing going to happen until the border is secureed and we have enforcement of existing laws now you have the president saying you don't get it done i'm going to have to look at what i can do. it has summon the right saying what is he doing? >> i don't think the president,
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is enforcing border security. what the president is saying how long can we wait on john boehner to pass an immigration reform bill? we've waited almost a year and they've done absolutely nothing. and i think that is what the president is arguing here. >> tucker? >> it's so unbelievable, cynica. on both sides you've got long term double digit unemployment. they want to doubling the number of unskilled worker that's come here legally? that is going to help americans here? the middle class? working people? the president claims to represent? no. going to depress their wages further. it's true. find an economist. >> congressional office indicated bipartisan bill pass by the united states senate would actually raise money for the united states and would
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benefit our country. >> hold on, hold on. i want to give you both the floor. >> go ahead >> i mean the point is that 11 million immigrants are here and deserve a pathway to citizenship. they're in our schools they deserve a path wi to citizenship. point blank, period >> i went to amnesty, that is silly but it's a side show, about bringing in more unskilled workers because that benefits business. they give money to both parties and democratic party because they'll vote democrat but it shafts middle class. there is no credible person that looks at this and comes to that conclusion the president says he represents working people really? >> reason republicans are getting behind them in part is because of the chamber of commerce pressing them because companies like these workers. >> exactly. >> and this was laid out the
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other night don't go thinking immigration reform is going get done any time soon because motivations aren't pure, let's say. hearts aren't really in it for stated reasons. >> thank you. >> the president getting attention when he talked to jake tapper about some of his first-term accomplishments versus his campaign promises remember this from 2008? >> this is the moment when the rise of the oceans began to flow and our planets began to heal. >> so the president was questioned about that moment z whether it's been diminished expectations. >> i remember during the campaign you talked about your presidentsy being a moment when the rise of the oceans would flow and nation in the world would heal. and now, you're talking about executive orders and executive actions do you think you're naive back then? have you recalibrated your
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expectations and ambitions? >> part of it is that we got a lot that have stuff done. >> a columnist for washington post and fellow at american enterprise institute. that raised eye brows, mark. did the rise of the oceans stop? he got a lot of promises in there. >> i think that is perfect the perfect word he promised to stop the rise of the oceans and couldn't launch a web siechlt in a nut shell. i don't think people will look at the moment when the rise of the oceans fall but rise in support for big government slowed. if you look at big government solutions, the reason he's playing small ball is because no one trusts him to do anything big. 68% of americans say the economy is stagnant or worse than we were when barack obama took office. obamacare is a disaster. when you have a spectacular failure like obamacare people say i'm not going to trust this guy. he
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promises big solutions to anything else. >> you look at that promise said this is the moment we'd begin to provide care for the pick. good job to the jobless. he says unemployment rate decreased. rise of the oceans began to slow well, green house gas emissions i guess. we ended a war. check that one. secured our nation, questionable. restored our image as left, best hope on earth. >> yes this, is the quote about obama economy. average wages barely budthed upward mobility, stalled too many americans are working more than ever just to get b and many aren't working at all. that is obama describing the obama economy after five years of his economic stewardship. how is that achievement? big achievement of the obama administration was an unintentional one. is that people have lost trust in big government. gallup poll shows 72% of americans think big government is the biggest threat to the country including a majority of democrats. so... for
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years still to come now, when liberal politicians step forward with this solution to some problem people goring to say, republicans are going to respond saying it's just another obamacare. it's going to be a deadly retort. >> he promised spectacular achievements. >> now, issuing executive orders, raising minimum wage for federal contracts. you know? big achievements. i mean he's reduced -- he's got a pen. but you know who has a pen? his successor. executive orders can be repealed in a stroke of a pen by a successor. >> thank you. >> jon stewart made news with nancy pelosi last night. it didn't end there we'll show you why in just a moment. plus... >> shocking confessions of tsa screeners and what they say they're doing when you go through the screener. plus, political activists in the president's hometown now challenging mr. obama's
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okay, we are going to set up a health care website that is an exchange. people are going to come to it. why is it so hard to get a company to execute that competently? >> i don't know, as one -- no, and that is my question. >> well, let me get the house minority leader here, i can ask her. what do you mean you don't know?
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how do you not know? >> well, it is not my responsibility. >> well, that was house minority leader nancy pelosi on last night's daily show with jon stewart. in an exchange that went completely viral today. and joining me, author of the book, crisis tales. lanny, there we have the woman who wanted to pass the health care plan before we knew what was in it. brushing off one of the fundamental problems with the rollout as, i don't know, it was not my responsibility. >> you know, i wanted to come out to have a good time with you tonight. but this is painful. i support national health care, since harry truman introduced it 60 years ago. i want it to be successful, i still want it to be successful. but the way democrats have to take ownership that we believe in government. we have to take ownership that we messed up. and nancy pelosi should say that. we messed up. and if we're going to fix this,
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we have to take ownership of the responsibility and not say i don't know. >> you know what is crazy about it. we just had mark teesen on a moment ago saying that 72% say they have no faith in big government. and now you have somebody as powerful as nancy pelosi is, and of course she was the speaker of the house at the time this bill passed, this massive law, coming out and say she has no idea how the crux of the rollout, that is healthcare.gov went so very badly. >> well, i know how it went badly. there are some things that government doesn't do as well as the private sector. president clinton made it possible to be a progressive and pro-business. we should have turned over the job of developing this software to the private sector websites that already existed and could have done it and helped government. and right now those private sector exchanges are being shut out even while they're being
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successful, while bureaucracy creating a new invented wheel is not working. >> let me ask you this as somebody who is very well tied in, in democratic circles. do you think nancy pelosi is happy with how that went? i mean, how do you think it went when she went back to her staff and they talked to her about that moment? >> you know, i knew nancy before she was nancy pelosi, she is from baltimore and a very proud woman. and as a crisis manager i would tell her, nancy, we all know, we democrats, we screwed up. and we have to tell the american people why we screwed up, depending too much on government bureaucracy and not enough partnership with the private sector. and we have to own up to it, or else we'll lose the national american people lost faith in us creating an effective system. >> i guess so many people are so upset out there with their cancellations and looking for capability.
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from the world headquarters of fox news, it is "the kelly file" with megyn kelly. and tonight in an investigation, a former tsa agent revealing the inner workers of the airport security in a new tell-all. you it is not good for passengers. trace gallagher has more. >> megyn, he was a tsa for six years and for months he blogged about the deficiencies under a
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phony name. and now, he has new allegations that he likens to a dog chasing its tail. he claims the airline practiced racial profiling, singled out passengers because they're rude. and they had code names for female passengers. he said tsa's machines didn't work before they installed them. the machines were good at just about detecting everything besides cleverly hidden guns and metal on the side of the body. but much to the embarrassment of the flying public, the scanners could see just about everything else. he quoted just as the long-suffering public waited on the security lines suspected, jokes about the passengers ran rampant among my tsa colleagues.
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many of the images we looked at were of overweight people, their every fold and dimple on display. and because they vowed not to record the security passengers, there were no screenings in the room where he says he saw bad behavior. tsa says the policies were no longer used going on to say every passenger deserves to be treated with dignity and respect and transportation security administration policy upholds this standard. tsa also says that any agent that practices unethical behavior will be fired. might be a little late in some cases. >> oh boy, all right, trace, thank you for that. and a developing story out of the president's hometown as a group of black activists in chicago share their thoughts on his state-of-the-union address. to say they were unhappy with his promises may be a bit of an under statement. >> what he did was confirm the lack of involvement, the lack of
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concern for our community. he doesn't care. >> he has been more hurtful to the black race than he has been helpful. >> i say to the president that you have done a grave disservice to us. and you would be better just -- just go ahead and step down, i mean, you can't turn this around. >> joining me now, a man featured in the remainder of that video. paul mckinley is a an activist and a member of the organization, vote, voices of the ex-offender, which puts young men to work after they have been to jail. and he has had some legal troubles in the past himself. paul, good to see you. let's start with that. you are a convicted felon, served more than 20 years in state prison for armed burglary and aggravated battery. so your critics would say your unemployment problems are likely attributable to that and not president obama's policies.
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>> not necessarily, a lot of the people -- i live in a sanctuary city, this is a city where you have people who put people to work and they have been to the penitentiary three, four, five times. the major reason we do that, the city of chicago is the most corrupt city in america. this state has sent governors and senators and congressmen to jail. and this city, because of corporatism, whatever you want to call it, it is an extremely corrupt city. so you can't really use that about chicago. >> because there are so many ex-cons running around, and actually many of whom have held off, as you accurately point off. the president did say in his state-of-the-union address the other night that he was going to do some outreach to the black community. he talked about how he wanted to expand educational access for everybody. he says he wants to work to reduce high school dropout rates.
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he has a college opportunity summit. he passed the affordable care act. he is worried about the voting rights of minority voters and tried to stop gun violence which is a major problem in chicago and the black community. so what more would you have him do? >> first of all, all of those things are very generous, we need the president to deal directly. first of all we need for him to say something directly to the black community. stop beating around the bush. he seems like he is embarrassed. we don't need a trophy president. we need a real man to stand up and grab this bull by the horns in the city of chicago, which is a corrupt city. this is the machine that we're dealing with. this city is so corrupt, there is no other city like this that had two football fields of marijuana being grown in the middle of the city. there is no other city like that in the world. so we want this president to deal with the corruption with
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starting on the fifth floor. with rahm emanuel, his friend, his buddy, who makes sure that all the contracts that come down, taxpayers' money, this is our money, whether i have been to the pen or didn't go to the penitentiary, i pay taxes. and when i pay taxes, i have the same opportunity as any other citizen. because i did not lose or forfeit my citizenship in america. and i'm saying this president has not said anything concerning the african-american community to make solves our problems. >> i got it, and unemployment for black youth is still almost four times higher than the national average. so paul, all the best to you. >> thank you very much. next, unintended guns and young children, what could go wrong? we're showing you an experiment that could create serious controversy. and what is in a name?
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muir. he sets up the thrust of the story. listen. >> the study revealing 7391 children rushed to the hospital with gun injuries, often, accidents in the home. 453 of the children die in the hospital. you've seen it when it's an accident inside of the snoem >> yes. it's devastating. >> gun advocates complain this is badly taken out of context because they failed to mention of the 7,000 gun injuries, vast majority involve males, mostly black males between ages 15-19 and vast majority of the shootings were crime related and ensueded suicide attempts, bebe guns and pellet gun injuries. abc tried to illustrate how some children do not shy away from guns they were shown, kids in florida an nra safety video then given a
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gun safety test by the police department itself. then, after that, the police department actually hid two guns, one in toys, another in a backpack surrounded by candy the kids found guns and in one case, one of the children found unloaded gun, pointing it at himself. but advocates say if you want to teach gun safety to kids you should not hide guns in toys. and surrounded by candy. >> trace, thank you. >> joining me now lars larsson and leslie marshal a fox news contributor. lars, let me start with you. i get the point. right? don't put gun was candy. but their point at abc news was show the kids the video. don't touch them, stay away. they're dangerous, then, the point to make it enticing to see whether they'll listen to the mess yj they just heard. why is that bad? >> well, it's not bad to teach the kids about gun safety.
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nra program stop, don't touch, leave the area, tell an adult is a good one. but how many parents do you know, even you, megyn do you tell your kids one lesson one time and expect them to follow that religiously? we know we have to take kids the same messages over and over again. what is wrong is for a television network to run this staged experiment no more significant than if they'd hid a butcher knife in candy then had adult leave the room. wonder what kids goring to do. or a power tool or chemicals. it doesn't prove anything other than kids are inquisitive which every parent knows. it doesn't address the problem, most of the so-called children that are taken to hospitals are late teen-aged kids. up to 19. >> leslie, your thoughts on it? >> on that number, over 2,000
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are accidents not criminally related but lars i agree with you. i have a 5 and 6 year old we know how that is. when we look at school shootings, we've had seven in january, 28 in the entire year this, message is not working. parents and grandparents, people with children in the home need to be more responsible with their guns. not hiding them in candy or toys. locking them up, not having ammunition. having safety locks on them. we know that in past shootings we know that in roswell, new mexico and newtown, children had access or took guns from parents or grandparents that resulted in injuries. >> who listen -- i'm not going to disatree with leslie. my guns are locked and it's irresponsible to leave them where kids with k.get them. in a lot of households kids
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understand guns are left out and unlocked and the kids do not go out and play with them. they're taught well. by the way most of the school shootings we've seen involve, again, late teenagers, most of whom have stolen the gun in one way or another. >> it's a fair point. >> there is a difference between little ones and you know teenagers who get their hands on guns panel, thank you both. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> let us know what you think. go to facebook.com/kelly file and leave us a comment or send us a tweet. up next, nfl commissioner talking about the washington red skins and team name. plus, coming up on a hannity " >> do you believe this is being targeted because you're a conservative? >> i will say the film" 2016 "was a film that does seem to have gotten under president obama's skin. [ male announcer ] want healthy joints?°
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d'so . that is us in the little fox studio. we have a little super bowl controversy for you this evening. today, the commissioner weighed in on the controversy surrounding the washington redskins' name. watch. >> but if you look at the numbers, including native american communities, in the native american community poll nine out of ten supported the name. eight out of ten americans in the general population would not like us to change the name. so we are listening. we're being respectful for people who disagree. but let's not forget this is the name of a football team. >> peter shankman is a principal. and as well as lis wiehl,
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prosecutor, and former democratic aide to chuck schumer, and a fox news contributor. he says people don't mind. >> i think he tried to keep it as neutral as possible. what he is trying to focus on right now is the super bowl. this story broke six months ago. >> but the numbers are huge in support. >> it is an incredible, huge expense to change a name. >> i'm a seattle girl, go seahawks. >> well, you're offended -- >> no, chiefs seattle, that is how seattle's name was born. i grew up in yakima, washington, yakima indians, we love -- >> that doesn't offend anybody, redskins does. >> people who are offended by it. and i think -- i went to st. johns law school, and while i was there we were changing from the red men to the red storm. nobody really got too mad about the name. >> let me just show you this
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because he is talking about how native americans are, all against -- a group of native americans put together this ad, they didn't have the money to air it. but here it is, in part. >> will rogers, geronimo, unyielding, strong. indomitable. native americans call themselves many things. the one thing they don't. >> pretty good. >> powerful ad, anybody that sees that ad, i challenge them to not feel. you know what? the nfl should want to change it because re-branding makes them money anyway. >> it is, it is, if you look at the commercials now we have a sneak peek for you on a couple of them. what is the first one we're doing?
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this is for volkswagen, look what you're about to see on sunday. >> let's watch. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ everybody wang chung. >> i love this, it makes a mockery of the advertisement. they are putting all the things we want to see and put them in one pot. we've taken babies and puppies, here you go. >> do people walk away from this saying i want to buy a volkswagen? >> no, megyn, i think it is really cute and has everything in it. but i wonder what am i supposed to buy? >> i wonder if i'm supposed to be looking at carmen electric --
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elec electra? megyn, help me out. >> and looking at john stamos for dannon yogurt. >> oops, i did it again. >> i think that is kind of gross. how is that -- >> they're bringing back full house. >> megyn, when i was 10 years old, he was uncle jesse, why am i older than him now? how does that happen? >> he was -- i still find that kind of disgusting. >> peter? >> was that mary kate feeding him yogurt? >> all right, you can see those ads this sunday or go to our facebook page, facebook.com/thekellyfile. and let us know what you think. we'll be right back. [ police radio, indistinct ]
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. so don't forget to watch the super bowl, there is a big super bowl game happening this weekend. thes welcome to hannity from times square. this is a fox news alert. a former port authority official says governor chris christie of new jersey knew about the washington bridge closures in september. joining us now is eric shaw. >> hello, sean. governor chris christie's office said he did not lie. but a lawyer says he did. he said he never knew about the order to close the lanes until the operation was over. the person who oversaw the

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