they're all from atlanta, youth pastor. so how do you have time to do this? >> we have to our traveling towards first, friday, saturday normally. >> go to fox and friends.com and watch that. we will see you back tomorrow. >> we'll be back. >> see you tomorrow! a 2.5 million hit to the full-time work force. that's what the independent congressional budget office is predicting. but democrats are saying the law is unlocking something good. >> people would no longer be job locked on their policies but have the freedom to follow their passion. >> it allows americans to choose to spend more time with their family or pursue their dreams. >> it isn't employers cutting jobs, newly empowered workers choosing to go a different path. >> there are less participation for whatever reason but not less jobs. >> what about the 3.6 million

americans we just discovered are out of work right now? wouldn't they love to be job locked? hi, everyone, i'm brenda buckner. this is the bulls and bears, gary b. smith, tracy burns, john layfield. welcome, everybody. gary b., democrats say this is good news. what say you? >> well, the spin on this, brenda, is just fantastic. i want to hit on two things we just saw in the clip. the one senator or congressman, i can't remember which, okay. some people have more time to spend more time with tear kids. that's all well and good, but when the government is involved, brenda, you can't create something from nothing. in order for those people to spend more time with their kids, those premiums have to be subsidized. who are they subsidized by? by people still working and paying out there, normally in the form of higher taxes.

so if i'm one of those people, what happens to me? i have to pay more taxes. thaen then what happens? i have to work harder. some people benefit, a lot of other people are penalized. normally, the people are penalized more than the benefit. the one senator made the labor force participation comment. basically, he said it's going to drop. is that the direction we want to go? let me give you an example. france has 36%, their gdp growth has been flat about ten years at .1%. if we want to end up like france where you have more people unemployed and the gdp isn't growing, this is a fine way to go. >> jim, what do you think about how this is going to hit the economy? >> it is good for workers. it's good for workers and families and the economy. i want to dismiss what the politicians are saying and focus on what the director of what the

congressional budget office is saying, the people that wrote the report. thes a change in the labor supply, not a change in the number of jobs available in the economy and douglas elmadoor says very clearly, this is going to decrease unemployment and lead to higher wages. yes, it's not a good thing to be stuck in the job just for health insurance coverage. what about all those entrepreneurs who want to start their own businesses or finds a better job? this could not be better news. >> john, take that one on. >> look, this is political spin. this is very good. when you have a pig, put lipstick on it. it still doesn't make it a beauty yooen queen. look, if your best answer is this easing job lock, creating jobs or to open up jobs, it's the same as when they had the idea, let people with cash on the balance sheet to hire people

they don't need. we don't have any job growth in this country. it wasn't great, we lost 1 million jobs since they took office what we need is job lock, do you think bill gates when he quit har hard he was worried about job lock? this happens to very few individuals as far as percentage wise him they had job loss, it's a small percentage. >> is it all negative for the economy? >> the in the ceo report, they say there is substantial uncertainty. this is a new way of being like if you are 63 and you normally couldn't afford health insurance without working at a company that provides it, would you quit the job preemptively? maybe. we don't know. i don't like to think we will run out of work because they get

subsidized health care. i don't think you should have to have a job, i think you should have a job to not be in poverty and get a paycheck. if you got conditions and you can't create health insurance, you shouldn't have to get a job to settle a problem. >> isn't this a disincentive to work? >> i think it's the wrong way. you don't want to change the labor force because of health care, you want to change it because of innovation and entrepreneurialship. it's not offered because they're part-time consultants now. nobodyps to take on these people, they are still uncertain how it will affect their bottom line. that's less jobs in the economy. i think we are backing into in all the wrong way. in effect, the democrats are trying to spin it's good to work less is so beyond what our forefathers wanted for this country. >> who do you think?

>> let's simplify this. a rever chairs. will you have the same number of chairs, the same number of jobs, but there are going to be fewer people trying to squeeze into those jobs, so, yes, all of those people the long-term unemployed, brenda, that you mentioned earlier, they will have a better opportunity to find those job option. it's a win-win. >> it doesn't make sense. >> gary b. what do you think of the musical chairs analogy? >> i will come out with another analogy. it's very simple. the ceo quoted said we are going to lose people out of the work force. that's a given. why are we doing that? more and more people are on the government dollar. i come back to my european example. this is socialism or getting close to socialism, go crazy. let the government provide everything. let the government provide all these unemployment benefits that go from here to eternity. let the government provide health care. what you have is more and more or fewer and fewer people are

providing for more and more over there that aren't doing anything. so these people get to see their kids more while everyone else, a smaller and smaller group of people have to work more and more, it's idiotic. that's why you have gdp in france going flat line. gdp in spain going negative. this is the road to ruin if we want to continue to be a great country. >> let's get your take on this. this does create more diplomacy on the government. >> that costs more. >> people have to support you if you don't work, you lower your incomes to get subsidized health insurance. is that how people will behave? if it is, then we should move medicare out to 70 because all those people from 65 to 70 are retiring because they can afford medicare. >> that subsidize turns five, so therefore let them work until they're 70 so they can get health care through their employer. that's a good system taken further than focusing on this little piece.

i'm not sure people behave that way to this extent the ceo says, maybe they do. yeah. let's retire to 70 and have to work and stay in our jobs. >> john, what do you think of that? >> i think in teary, this job lock argue workts. in theory, obamacare works, if you have every young american in america that wants to buy health care that they think they don't need and don't work, they sit around and sing kumbaya. theories don't work. look at all the taxes. what gary is talking about. remember president hollande in france, he will soak the rich. everybody will be happy. he has an approval rating of 20% right now because of his failed policy the lowest of any post-war president in france. we are seeing we are paying for this through taxes. look at the tax increases through obamacare. they said it's being paid for by young people? it's not. >> that hurts the economy. >> that will be the last word.

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. >> and good morning to all of you live from america's news headquarters, i'm jamie colby. well, team usa taking home the first gold medal of the sochi olympics. taking the top spot in the men's snowboarding slopestyle final. he did a trick, sage kotsenburg, four-and-a-half backwards spins while grabbing the back of his board. you don't want to try that one at home t. win also comes after

teammate shaun white pulled out of the event. the opening ceremony didn't go off as planned, one portion they put up five snowflakes. they were they were supposed to open an form the five rings, the fifth one never open. the after display never went off. no one watching tv knew, local stations suppliesed in footage from a test run. you know, see you in 30 minutes. >> lots of worries of terror threats at the olympics. should we be more worried to an attack that happened here to our power grid, smack in the dab of silicon valley. transformers picked out 17 of them. the fuse just surfacing now. officials calling it economic terrorism and, john, you say this is a real threat to our way of life? >> i this i the biggest threat to america right now, besides

for some ice laid terror incidents is cyber terrorism. look. we are the only super power along with our allies to control all four oceans. because of our geographical invasion, however, you look at something like the stuck virus that infiltrated the nuclear facility in iran. it was closely guarded to melt that nuclear facility. that same thing could happen very easily here. wha one of the hackers in the target probe was supposedly a 17-year-old in st. petersburg, russia. we are very vulnerable as far as our entire electric grid and cyber terrorism. >> jim, what do you think? >> i agree with john our power grid is extremely vulnerable. engineers give our grid a d-plus. it has grown ten-fold in the past 50 years. it's barely been modernized. a bunch of patchworks fixes here

and there. this is why we need big, big infrastructure spending. something that obama has been calling from. this is an area where we should have agreement from liberals and conservatives. infrastructure investments are exactly what is needed to protect us from these types of attacks and to get our grid into the 21st century. >> gary, is that what this is really all about? are we doing enough to protect the grid? >> no, i don't think we are doing that at all. i happen to agree with you in this case. although, i don't think obama has said specifically infrastructure spending to re-establish or re-ignite the power grid. he is talking act these shovel-ready projects that have never been shovel-ready. the big point is hurricane sandy alone cost $52 billion, the power outage to the gdp. that's $52 billion. so if you wanted to stage an attack on the u.s.

forget about 9-11 as horrific that was, attack our power grid. imagine without electricity, irconditioning for weeks on end like the poor people that went through sandy did. it would be horrible. spread that across the u.s., it would be devastating to our economy. >> the man who once headed the federal regulatory commission said this attack was quote the most significant incident of domestic terrorism involving the grid that has ever occurred tracy. >> you know what the worst part was? we don't have the parts area. . it call comes from china. we should be even more worried. we bought the to go overseas to get it. we're just inviaduct cyber attacks to our company at this point. it's that antiquated. we have got to revamp this thing. especially now, too, up are adding electric vehicles to the grid.

we will blow the thing out, ourselves. >> they will lead us down this path with the government is either going to regulate security at power plants or they will take it over like they did the airlines. private property doesn't need protection from the government. these companies lost millions of dollars in the attack. all the power companies are going to start putting walls around these power plants. it will raise prices for consumers. it doesn't require the government to come in with arbitrary rules and security measures because it won't work very well and more importantly, it's a free market solution. they're not protecting our lives from foreign invaders. domestic terrorism on private property can be handled by the people that handle that property in most cases. >> when you worry about china getting involved in our transformers, bringing them into our country, you don't know what stuff they are bringing us, better yet, maybe they don't even bring them to us. maybe they tell us, you have to wait your turn on that? that's where the problem comes in with us. >> gary, you are not for regulation at all, but isn't

there sometime when terrorism is a threat that the government does need to get involved? >> in this case, i do. i kind of think as the government as the landlord of the united states, if you will. at some point, a bigger authority. especially with utilities where there is so much cross company mixing and one suck out to another. it would be tougher like a petco just to prevent attacks to the petco area without impacting constellation energy and all the others. that's the only time i'm for governments stepping in. it's military defense. >> okay. thanks, guys. >> so rewarding kids for straight as at a pizza party. now some parents crying party foul. saying everyone should be included everyone if they didn't make the grade. are they right or wrong?

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. >> a true a-list party. instead of popping bottle os of champagne, one school is opening pizza boxes for straight a students. if you didn't make the grade, no pizza for you. tracy a straight-a student. she get some pizza. is this not fair or a great lesson for kids? >> look, life is not fair. these kids deserve pizza, man.

they stayed in. they studied. they got as. i don't understand why we have to give everyone everything all the time. why everyone needs a medal. people win, people lose, is what these kids need to learn. i believe they need more. it's hard to get them. >> he is the smart guy. so it's okay for him to eat. you think this is a great idea? >> it's instant gratification, my stock was up. therefore, i get pizza, nobody else gets pizza. that's fair. >> you have as to wait to the end of the year, that's too long, instant gratification, we can't wait until we get jobs later, this is how we do it. >> gary b., what do you think? >> you know, you'd think i'd be for this. i don't like it at all. maybe no one else on this panel actually went to middle school and got good grades, but i did. i can tell you, there is a couple things, one the last thing i want to do is go to a

party with the other nerds in the school. all right. the other thing is, it's like a party for the 1%ers. i'll be there with the nerdy guys and everybody that got as, the school bully who got fs waiting to beat me up because he didn't get any pizza. there are other ways to reward people. this isn't a good idea. >> john, you have a certain twist on this i have to tell you the b and c students were invited in, after the pizza was gone. now, what do you think we should do with the party, john? >> they will probably end up working for those b and c students. look. the problem with america right now is everybody gets a trophy no matter what. unless the kid has a learning disability. if that's the case, put a different measure in there, reward them as such. reward the a students. not only that, let the b and c and students feed him and clean up afterwards. >> oh.

well, jim, you are the teachtary gave me a c. i'm eating pays 'izzo. what do you think? >> i can't believe they're only getting pizza. they should get good grades, within i was in middle school, we got a trip to six flacks, but this is not a real life lesson, we now have an economy where no matter how hard you work and how much productivity is up, you are not getting rewarded. wages have stag fated. the ceos are keeping all to themselv themselves. >> thank you for joining us. well, hope those athletes in sochi aren't thirsty? that was the water, folks. it could mean gold and profits for you. we asked people a question, how much money do you think you'll need when you retire? .

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stock buy back apple believes in apple. i believe in apple. i think it's up 40% by the end of the year. >> jonas what do you think? >> let's get them the phone logs before we start boying the apple. >> watch the web on february 11ing. that's tuesday. there will be an online war against the nsa. a lot of freedom fighters fighting for, trying to protect the freedom act. watch when you go surfing on the web. >> john, what do you say? what's your prediction? >> unless putin wrestles a bear at the olympics, these things are boring. i hate them. go to cabellas, up 20%. i own the stock. >> they have the best fishing gear. >> i love to fish. >> are you a bull or bear on that? >> well, it has a problem at $70. if it closes above 70 i'm with john. >> the media is surprised, they are not all over russia, a former decktatorship. they are lucky they have toilet

seats. that's why the stocks are cheap. the etf is up 10% by the closing ceremony. >> jonas, it's brown water. i'm a bear. >> well, they say that timing is everything. wondering if anything pushing the latest warming rules from the white house bother taking a look outside, any windows at the white house. i'm kneel cavuto. talk about awkward timing. the white house announcing the latest climate change, executive action in the middle of the whiteout, setting up new climate hubs to help farmers and soon others. it sounds like taxpayers are on the end of another snow job. what do you think? >> first of all,t'