from the world headquarters of fox news it is "the kelly file" with megyn kelly. >> good evening, everyone, i'm megyn kelly. this is a kelly file special, what is ailing obamacare? for months we have been showcasing the issues since the launch of medicaid and medicare. and this has been sold to the country with these basic promises.

>> if you've got health insurance, you like your doctor, you like your plan, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. >> if you like your doctor or health care provider, you can keep them. >> if you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. >> if you like your health care plan you will be able to keep your health care plan, period. if you like your health care plan you can keep that, too. >> if you like your doctor, you keep your doctor, if you like your current insurance you keep that insurance. period. end of story. >> now, the naysayers and cynics still doubt that we can do this. >> no one will take it away. no matter what. >> but now, of course, we have learned that none of these have held true. more than 6 million people were kicked off of the plans that they liked before the white house ordered insurance companies to just ignore that part of the law. new enrollees have learned that they cannot get the promise they were told. and it was known as the lie of the year. the problem started with the website that did not work. just six people were able to

sign up on day one. and for weeks, health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius had to admit they never completely tested the system and could not tell congress how many people had signed up or how many had paid into the enrollment process. when they could report the numbers, they were desperately behind their goals. and as recently as last week the president himself was quoting enrollment figures that had been discredited by major media outlets and fact-checkers. there are website security problems, problems with payments, problems with fixing the problems. and the reports of high premiums and deductibles for those who are able to sign up. then, just this week, a congressional budget office found that when all is said and done, obamacare will end up providing insurance for roughly 16 million americans while leaving another 31 million uninsured. so for all of the turmoil change

and chaos, the best change of this bill, now law, is that two-thirds of americans uninsured will still have no health insurance. so we decided to investigate. where does this go? what happens next? what can be fixed and what cannot? we begin tonight with michael canon, at the institute of health policy studies. mike, good to see you again. that number, that only 16 million people are going to be insured and 31 million will be left uninsured and a large portion of the 16 million who will be insured, thanks to this law, already had insurance before obamacare. they just shuffled the deck chairs on it. your take? >> all the obamacare numbers are headed in the wrong direction here. the projections for how many people will be insured this year in the exchanges and the medicaid expansion have gone down by 25, 28, 30%, the percentage of people who will be uninsured this year is 50% higher than what the cbo projected back in 2009.

the law's popularity is going down. the law has lost the uninsured. the uninsured disapprove of this law. this is the target population that this law is supposed to help. >> that's crazy. how do the uninsured not like obamacare? >> well, look at what happened. the president promised people could keep their health care, the premiums would go down, you could keep your doctor. the president promised all sorts of things about this law, we'll have a website up and running so you can buy health insurance on october 1st with subsidies. all of these things have been shown to be false. the president has broken all of these promises and so the uninsured are probably looking at this law thinking, well, the government is not going to keep the promises that it's making to me. it is telling me i have to buy health insurance or else i have to pay a fine. if they're forcing me to buy it, it can't be all that affordable. >> and the fine will be relevant, the uninsured are going to have to pay the fine if they don't wind up signing up. let me ask you this.

at its core, the success of this law will come down to whether they get the right mix of people signing up on healthcare.gov exchange and the state exchanges. and thus far we have been told they are not getting it. they are not getting the right percentage of young, healthy people. originally they said we need about 40% of the signups to be these young, healthy people and then they didn't get anywhere need that, they are down in the low 20s. and said oh, forget that number, that was irrelevant. why aren't the young healthy people not wanting it when everybody around them said you should want it? >> well, for one thing, with all the broken promises and the higher premiums, the fact this law has become something of a joke. they don't want to spend a lot of time on the website trying to buy an unattractive plan. but i think the most important thing about the numbers we've seen so far is we've only seen the share of old versus young. that is not as important as the mix of healthy versus less healthy.

you want to have -- you need to have a lot -- within every age stratum, you need to have a lot of healthy people offset the cost of covering sick people in that age range. we don't know what the health profile is of the people signing up. we just know that they are older than expected. they are probably also going to be sicker than expected. and one more thing about how the young and/or healthy are going to behave under this law when they realize that obamacare has made it easier than ever, safer than ever not to buy health insurance, they are going to have a hard time keeping young and healthy people in these plans because they'll realize, you know what, i can stop paying my premiums, i'll still have coverage for a few months because obamacare requires that and if i can make it until next year, if i get sick and make it until next year, i'll just buy insurance during the open enrollment period because they can't turn me away. >> i can't be turned away because of the priore condition.

michael, thanks. >> thanks. with all of these issues, it sounds like a wonky exercise in insurance 101 but it's having a real impact in a lot of workers. the ceo of america online went on air to talk about how obamacare was going to increase its insurance costs by 7 million a year. listen. >> the decisions we have to make as a company, obamacare is an additional $7.1 million expense for us as a company. so we have to decide whether or not to pass that expense to employees or whether to cut other benefits. >> and that's one, just one big firm. small businesses are facing even more dramatic challenges. david allen runs a medical billing firm in boulder, colorado. he was looking at an either 52% hike in their premiums or telling the staff they faced a big jump in their possible out-of-pocket costs. david is joining us. david, thank you for being here.

you have a business that has under 50 employees so it's not required to get insurance for, you know, its employees. why did you decide to look into this? >> well, we've provided health insurance for employees for many years. long before the government said that they expected us to do this, we've taken this burden upon ourselves because, quite frankly, we can and we feel it's the right thing to do. so, you know, regardless of the number of employees that we have, this is a commitment that we've made to our employees. the problem is that it's getting harder and harder to keep that commitment because of the excessive increase in the premiums as a direct result of the affordable care act. >> so you're there, you're employing these 34 people and you're minding your own business and your premiums get jacked up as a result of the law.

by how much? >> 52.3%, to be exact. >> as a businessman, how do you -- how do you evaluate that? >> well, you can't. i mean, obviously at 52.3% increase is unimaginable. this is my second highest expense item besides personnel. i can't pass it on to my clients. i can't absorb it. it's really unmanageable. we renewed early. you know, the stipulations under the affordable care act are for plans under 2014 and forward. so we reviewed two months early. >> you got sort of a one-year grace period but this problem is -- you're coming up on this problem. so what will you eventually decide to do? are you going to raise the premiums? are you going to fire people? are you -- what are you going to do? >> well, the jury's still out on that and we're certainly hopeful that someone in washington will develop some commonsense and

come back with some alternatives that enable us to do what we need and want to be able to do for our employees. short of them coming back and offering any concessions, such as allowing us to keep the health insurance plan that we h had and liked and would have preferred to keep that, we'll have to pass on a substantial increase to our employees or we'll have to increase the deductibles or make some other substantive change because, again, i simply can't absorb that increase and i don't have the luxury of passing it along to my clients. so one way or the other my employees will inevitably participate at a higher level financially going forward if we don't get some kind of relief from the federal government. >> we have heard that story time and time again. david, all the best to you. >> well, thank you. thank you very much. we are also hearing similar stories and similar challenges for people who buy insurance directly from the exchanges as

opposed to through their employer. senator tom coburn got national attention after he signed up for obamacare through the federal exchange and learned that the oncologist who had been treating his cancer was not part of his new plan. they did a feature story on a woman who got a cover through california state exchange after previously being denied for a pre-existing condition. good news. except when she went to see a specialist for the numbness in her arm, the doctor would not take the cover california plan. neither would the next one or the next one or the one after that. of course, if she were watching "the kelly file" back in december, she would have seen this prediction from the head of the large doctor's group based in california. >> so what will happen, then, for those californians who find themselves with no choice but to join a program under the exchange? >> well, we're dealing with what is called narrow networking and it's coming about because a physician is making a decision whether or not to participate

and by plans only contracting with a smaller number of doctors for some of the exchange products. if you put enough people in those plans and you don't have enough doctors participating, you end up with a bottleneck, which means you're not doing what this was all about, improving access to care. >> trace is joining us. trace? >> the mantra might be now, if you thought you kept your door, you might want to double-check and we've got all of the documentation to show you exactly why this is happening. you have thousands of doctors who are leaving the health care exchanges. they are opting out because the reimbursement rates are simply too low. for example, we know an orthopedic specialist who performed a 3 1/2 hour surgery and was reimbursed just a few hundred dollars, not even enough to cover costs so he opted out. but here's the reason so many doctors are still listed as being in certain networks. in early 2012, a doctor who wants to remain anonymous was sent a contract from blue

shield, quoting here, your participation in this network under development of blue shield will require you to sign the new independent physician and provider agreement. well, the doctor didn't sign the agreement because he didn't want to be in the network. in october of 2012, blue shield sends another letter. this one says, quoting, your completion of the agreement is critical to accessing these new business opportunities, yet we have not yet received your sign signed agreement. well, they didn't receive it because the doctor doesn't want to be in that network. three weeks later he gets a third letter. this one says, "we are writing to inform you that we plan to include your practice in our individual/exchange network." so now he's in, even though he didn't sign up and the doctor can't get out. he actually had to pay a lawyer several thousand dollars to get him off the list. and dr. mark seagull says this is part and parcel of what is happening across the entire country.

listen. >> the whole goal of obamacare was to provide care for people who didn't have it but the narrow networks are going to create a situation where those who need care the most won't be able to get it because their doctor doesn't participate, because they couldn't find a hospital who participates. the end result is people won't get care that they need. >> and the bottom line here is people will not find out that their doctor's not in their network, megyn, until they actually need to use that dock are to. megyn? >> trace, thank you. when the reports of problems with the exchange first came up, we asked for e-mails or tweets from our personal facebook page. it's facebook.com/thekellyfile. and the peace family, mom and dad are employed and signed up inum level exchange. once they confirmed that they were, in fact, covered, they

canceled their own insurance and everything was fine, they thought, until their son tore a ligament and needed medical attention. the mom and dad were covered but the kids, well, they were not and things got even more complex from there. samantha peace is with us now with her story. samantha, what a nightmare. so you are one of the people who believed that you were covered only to find out that you -- or to be more specific, your children -- were not. the pharmacist says what to you, ma'am? sorry, those no record of coverage for you? >> yes, that's exactly what they said and i was extremely shocked and i've spent the past three weeks talking to senators and congressmen, health and human services and nobody seems a way to get my children back on the plan. >> how do you -- i'm just curious, logistically, because the healthcare.gov has been a mess for so many people. when you find out that they have insured only half of your family

and none of your children, who do you call? how do you start that process? >> that's a very good question. i started off with calling healthcare.gov and then i called senator fortenberry's office, i e-mailed the white house, tried to reach out to any representative that could help me and marie wood at fortenberry's office has tried to find people that can help me and then eventually to health and human services and they want to push everyone on to medicaid, all these children on to medicaid. and i just refuse to go on medicaid. my children to go on medicaid. >> so shh's response is to put your children on medicaid and for you that is not an acceptable option. why? >> not at all. i don't want to be on public assistance and, actually, almost every person at every corner has asked me to be on medicaid just

to have my children insured and i said absolutely not. i signed up for a platinum plan and i will have them insured under that. i did have to go out and get a private insurance plan so i'm paying two premiums right now. >> samantha, this is just flabbergasting. you're somebody who tried to comply, get the platinum plan and after having gone through all of this, when people ask you what you think about obamacare and healthcare.gov, what do you say? >> well, healthcare.gov is a complete nightmare. i have probably spent 20 hours talking to them on the phone or on with their chat and everybody knows a different thing but nobody understood my case or what was going on and nobody can help me. i mean, i talked to someone representing the white house, senators, congressmen, and nobody knows the answer. it's because it's a problem with the law and so my children still don't have health care through

the platinum plan. >> this is unbelievable. we're going to continue to follow your story and i hope you stay in touch with us. this should not have to happen. you should not have to contact your senator and congressmen and the white house and health and human services department in order to get health care coverage that you paid for for your children. >> i know. >> thanks, samantha. >> yes. that's very true. >> all the best to you. >> thank you. >> can you believe this, people? can you believe this? can you imagine having to go through that? that's outrageous. send me your thoughts on facebook.com/thekellyfile and on twitter, @megynkelly. and the ongoing security concerns with health cacare.gov. a look at damage control and what this means for the 2014 midterms. and a marketing blitz. first, keg stands and path jam ma boy, now talking pets.

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unique advertising attempts. fitness fanatic richard simmons helped out california's exchange. by the way, this was said to cost in excess of $1 million. and then there's the new social media campaign using so-called mom jeans to break through to young adults and their parents. or this message from the wildly mocked character who came to be known as pa jam ma boy. putting the jokes aside, while a lot of the specific ads were paid for by outside groups, washington has set aside money in just the first year. ebb bonnie williams is a trial attorney. if the law is so grand, why must we spend so much to make people love it? >> all right, megyn, these ads are really wrong. we know that there's a need to promote and advertise some

specifics about this health care law. now, what i have a problem with -- >> can i just stop you? will you look at what is on the screen to your side? what is happening? >> shush. it's mocking. it's a dumbing down something na is really serious. women are great vessels of communicating the issues of health care to the rest of our family but they are going about it all wrong, megyn. women are busy. we don't have time for these silly antics. >> it's like the tortoise told me to do it so i did it, mom jeans didn't work on me but that dog, that little bulldog, that's going to do it. you know, i get that most people are not buying some of them because they understand that the

coverage may be subsidized and it may be less expensive than they think it is going to be. they are saying, it's great, it's great. but you see this and it's a mockery of a law. >> this is where advertising misses the mark, megyn. if you're going to true i to promote 18 to 35s, we like something hot and cool. there's nothing more cool about a young man in flannels or richard simmons doing ridiculous stretching. like you said, you're not letting people know that there are subsidies to many of you, you're not letting people know that if you're not enrolled by march 31st, you're going to have a penalty coming your way. >> with all due respect to richard simmons, who i think is fabulous, if you want to appeal to millenials, why aren't you

using beyonce? you know, richard -- richard appeals to my generation and the one that precedes mine, not so much the 20-year-olds. >> not so much yours, megyn. i think he misses your boat for sure. but, yeah, it's misguided in a way that they went about it. we're past generally promoting obamacare. we're too far in the game for that kind of promotion. we need specifics and there was really an opportunity to do that and they missed the boat and personally i was disappointed to see that. >> you look at our next guest, samantha, and is she going to be telling her friends to buy this because she sees the bulldog doing? e ebony, thank you. so far the health care rollout they have kept the insurance law from collapse. but has it permanently wounded the president's credibility? that's next.

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welcom welcome back to our kelly file special, "what is ailing obamacare?" we detailed earlier how 6 million americans lost their insurance last fall and kicked off of what the white house called sub standard plans or they were about to lose it. the problems with each cancellation report came new political heat for the administration. and the president finally stepped in and ignored the insurance companies, requiring them to cancel the policies. everybody was given a one-year grace period or at least was encouraged to. and we learned the white house may try to extend it through 2016. and this is just the latest in a set of twists and turns that kept them very busy. ed henry has more for us. ed? >> reporter: megyn, good to see you. it is important to know

what is driving all this action and potentially more tweaks to the president's health care law. it is the election coming up. and there is a lot of pressure on democrats particularly in the senate if the president were to lose control of the senate. then he likely would have neither chamber and his final two years in office would be that much harder to implement this law and deal with immigration reform. bottom line, i spoke to an insurance industry official, a top one, who said in private conversations the officials are concerned when the president tweaked the plans last term, it was only extending them. if you like your plan you can keep them for a year. so what will happen in september, october, right on the eve of the elections those plans will run out again and people will get the rate cards that will tell them what they cost if they want to keep the plans. that is one reason it is driving the potential exchange, extending the plans for three years. what is interesting in context, we have to note the president

has a better story to tell, the website is being fixed. the more people are being enrolled. but the more he tweaks this, there are questions about if it is going so well, why do you keep changing it? we heard speaker boehner saying if you keep changing it we don't know what it is in it. so the president could keep tweaking immigration reform. >> ed, thank you. >> thank you. as the administration is people losing trust in this president continue to lose trust in this president and here's part of the reason why. recently when our own bill o'reilly pushed president obama on health care, here was the president's response. >> we're about a month behind from where we anticipated we wanted to be. we've got over 6 million people who have signed up for medicaid. >> that is just not true. as we reported earlier, "the washington post" gave that medicaid claim which president obama had been making prior to that interview with bill three

pinnochios. it had nothing to do with obamacare. since that time we heard that maybe, maybe one to two million of those at most is new signups. not 6 million. and then there was this. >> so when i said you can keep your health care, i'm looking at folks who have employer-based health care. i'm looking at folks who have medicare and medicaid and that accounts for the vast majority of americans. >> but the new cbo report says that at least 6 million people will be losing their plans at work in the coming years. and even that number may be too low. duke university just released a report suggesting 44% of u.s. firms, 44% are considering cutting care to current workers. current workers. but the biggest problem for the president is this. >> if you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. >> if you like your doctor or

health care provider, you can keep them. >> if you've got health insurance, you like your doctor, you like your plan, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. nobody is talking about taking that away from you. >> well, that broken promise has continued to cost the white house politically in the last few months and it's not just the white house. joining me now, our fox news digital politics editor. chris, good to see you. and so the big question now is how these democrats who not only ran on this law or voted for this law but embraced it are going to somehow distance themselves from it, going into the 2014 midterms when the latest polls show that 51.6 disapprove of the law and 38% approve of it. >> counselor, can i put a little finer point on it than that? which is it was not a broken promise. it was a lie and it has been called that and i think we can

all conclusively say that if the president didn't know, at least everybody around him knew that that was not true as he was saying it and as he was getting the law passed with that promise that was central to the law and as he was running for re-election on the promise that you could trust him with the second term in office because he would make good on those promises. what we see now is essentially -- and it's hard to tell when it happens day in and day out and day in and day out, but when you look at the longer arc of this you see a president previously not thought of being good as a president but as a trustworthy and honorable person is not seen that way anymore and now both his policies and character are in doubt. what that means, as you rightly point out, how can you now trust democrats, obama democrats or clinton democrats or any kind of democrats, anybody who voted for this law when they say, i know it hasn't been right and i know we haven't done it right but this time we're really going to

make it okay. >> and ed was pointing out from health care to immigration, it's costing them in their sort of trust credibility with the public. now, in the wake of that, on health care, he comes out and he keeps giving us this 6 million people enrolled many medicaid number. you and i have been through this repeatedly. it's not true. it's just not true. and yet he can sit there and look right at bill and say, 6 million people have enrolled in medicaid thanks to this law. that's not true and on top of that, chris, you've got, you know, kathleen sebelius came out and said success will be defined under this law if we get 7 million people signed up by the end of march. that success, it's not going to happen. and so now they are doing a reversal of the administration, pretending they never said that. listen to these two sound bites. >> i think success looks like at least 7 million people having

signed up by the end of march 2014. >> well, that was never our target number. it came from the congressional budget office and it became an accepted number. there's no magic to the 7 million. >> that was never our number. what? >> well, and how about this? this is where we get into the alternate reality. the alternate reality in obama land now is that critics of the law, any criticism of the law is not valid because it's not coming from democrats and that's a dangerous place for them and for the country. >> chris, good to see you. >> you bet. well, aggressive political attack ads are hitting the airwaves. we're going to have a fair and balanced debate next on whether that will cost them their jobs. >> mr. president, america needs jobs, not spin. no more lies. no more failure. call president obama and tell him his health law is not working and we don't want to be trapped in it any longer. hey linda!

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well, the problems with the obamacare rollout have handed the republicans at least an early edge at least in the 2014 midterms. we're already seeing aggressive ad campaigns about keeping your plan and your doctor. here's just a taste of that. >> call president obama and tell him his health law is not working. and we don't want to be trapped in it any longer. >> tell senator shaheen obamacare doesn't work. >> congressman ron barber supports obamacare. tell congressman barber that obamacare is hurting arizona families. >> tell kay hagan she just doesn't get it. >> tell congressman braley obamacare is hurting iowa families and we deserve better. >> joining me now, tucker

carlson and joe trippi, joe, as the democrat on this, somebody who advises people for a living for political campaigns, do you think the democrats are worried about this? >> of course they are. it's clear that the president's credibility dragged his favorability down and that drags democrats down. it's the same regardless of who is president. if you've got a president whose popularity is falling, whether it's obamacare or something else, with bush it was the war in iraq, it doesn't matter. it drags the rest of the party down. obamacare, in particular, is going to be one of the factors that hurts democrats. the problem still is, it doesn't all happen in a vacuum. this won't be the only issue. republicans have blown opportunities to win the senate in the last two cycles when they legitimately should have taken the senate because of their

inner-party fights. >> and the nominees they choose. >> yes. so all these things happen. this definitely is going to be one of the factors that is a challenge for a democrat running for office this year in 2014. no doubt about it. >> not the nominees but the candidates. >> tucker, your thoughts now in the wake of these popularity numbers on obamacare and these ads that we're seeing come out already, the likelihood of the republicans taking control of the senate. >> the republicans could sure screw it up but all things being equal, midterms are not generally ideological, joe said the numbers are foreboding or a bad sign, i would say, for the democrats. the other problem is turnout and the democratic base is pretty tough to take it out. that's why the democrats spend so much money taking it out. you have voters, especially in this election i would predict and i think they are worried about this that are not going to come out to vote because obama is not on the ballot.

if you take a look at who is suffering most, people who lost their insurance, for example, disproportionately republicans, you can say that was part of the plan at the beginning, i don't know. but that's the facts. so the mad people are voting against obama. >> we've seen the ones who voted for it seem to be all over the board in trying to get away from the vote or explain the vote. here's one. shaheen from new hampshire is talking about, if you can keep your doctor, your plan, here's her knew take on it. >> at least for people who are willing to pay more, that they have that option going to their doctor or hospital no matter what their insurer does. >> i mean, that can't be the new line, can it? >> no. look, i think what most democrats are going to do is say, look, they are going to work to improve it and try to

localize the race. they don't want this race to be national. it's in the republican's interest to make it a national referendum on obama and obamacare and a lot of issues they have with obama. by the way, that usually works. i agree with you can iter. that's usually what drives a midterm election, people who have a grievance who vote. people who are happy or aren't -- the voters that tend to turn out in presidentials is the only election they vote in, they don't have much interest in these midterm elections and they tend to fall off. those tend to be democrats. so this is going to be a difficult environment for democrats. but like i said, look, we've had two cycles. i remember last cycle, african-americans and hispanics weren't as excited and young people weren't as excited about obama. the second time around they weren't going to turn out. they did.

the democratic party -- >> that was before the bad stuff on obamacare started to kick in. tucker, they intentionally kept the bad stuff until after the presidential election and now we're lifving with it. >> they did but they are going to try to do in 2014 what they did in '12 which is scare the democratic base. they are going to try to turn the conversation from obamacare, the pressing issue of the day to much more abstract issues like immigration and the point will be they don't like you because of your skin color. they are haters. be afraid. don't elect them or you're in trouble. >> yeah. >> they are going to get them out by fear. >> and the women's rights, war on women, all of that. i love the new line, you can keep your doctor as long as -- >> just pay more. >> just pay more. come on. >> joe, tucker, good to see you. shocking new reports about security concerns with the health care website. up next, we'll see what has been done and why that matters.

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federal officials and the security of federal officials confident in the security of the website say there have been no successful attacks on health care.gov. our next guest said the statement should end with the word yet. a cybersecurity analyst and ceo of crowd sourced investigations. morgan, i get, "yet." if you wanted to hack the website. get in there, plant malware or something why wouldn't they do it now?

why shouldn't we feel warmed by the thought that they haven't gotten to it yet? >> look. when that senate report was released showed all the major agencies have been hacked. health care.gov its no different. they're trying to keep it tamped down. they want people enrolling. when i testified and one testified, david kennedy, he testified on january 19th. he was able to download from outside without breaking in. over 70,000 record of personal information about enrollees and obama care. still not secure. >> what information? >> names. basic information. but it is, it didn't get into all the detailed information. >> social security information. >> none of that. >> point is none of that information should have been available. nobody should know. health care. nobody should know who is enrolling and what their name its. >> what is the risk of people's private medical data getting compromised? that too needed to go electronic thanks to obamacare. >> there is a lot, tell you one of the biggest issues, fraud, megan. they try to bail out the billing

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