[ applause ] hello and welcome to "justice." i'm judge jeanine pirro. thank you for being with us tonight. how vulnerable is the power grid? but first to my open. you know, there is something about being an american, a sense of pride, confidence, wind always at your back. even when you're in a foreign country. kind of like a guardian angel watching over you or the calvary riding in to protect you. at least that's the narrative i grew up with. but this past week, president obama stumbled off script contradicting even his own narrative to the point where as an american you have to wonder

not can this man be trusted, more than half the country already doesn't trust him, but can you as an american be protected? it's a question that every part of a son or daughter in the military asks every day. this week the president said for the first time he did everything possible to help americans in benghazi. >> we were focused on making sure that we did everything we can to protect them. in the aftermath, what became clear was that the security was lax. >> what did you do, mr. president, to protect them? we know you were in the white house. we know the joints chief were with you. secretary panetta said it was terrorism. you don't send f-16s. you don't send troops or any of the military companies prepared to deal with emergencies. and here's the kicker. the fight went on for hours and hours and you still didn't send

help. so don't lie to me and tell me you did everything you could. so how about you just tell me what you did. then again, how much can you say if you did nothing? and you still can't come clean on whether or not it was terrorism. >> you have the folks who are trouble makers and tomorrow affiliated with terrorist organizations, some who are not. >> i bet if you look at our military you'd find a true troublemakers and a few with an ideological agenda, too. it doesn't mean they are not part of a unified military organization. why can't you just answer the question? was it terrorism and when did you know it? for you one day it is, one day it isn't. in the words of jay-z, one day you're here, one day you're there. you send susan rice out five

days later to talk about a video two weeks later you're apologizing for the crude video. >> a crude video in the muslim world. >> two weeks later you talk about, you guess it, the video. you can't have it both ways but you're going to make it right. >> we've got to make sure that not only have we implemented all the reforms that were recommended by the independent agency but we also have to make sure that we understand our folks out there are in a hazardous, dangerous situation. >> mr. president, of course it was hazardous and dangerous. they were even getting dangerous pay. the hypocrisy? when hillary went to benghazi, an aircraft carrier was there to protect her. and anyone accountable, what's that? you're looking to implement

reforms? they are already there. it's just that you don't follow them. and an independent agency, you say? since when, since when does the accused appoint her own judge who then doesn't investigate o even question her? and by the way, after the last attack on our embassies in kenya and tanzania, the sect of state was to, quote, take a personal and active role in ensuring the security of u.s. diplomatic personnel abroad. might your secretary of state have been in dereliction of her duty? according to the bipartisan committee, she was aware of the dangers in benghazi, especially those to her friend, ambassador stevens. and yet, additional security requests continued to be denied. and what's that? fox news is stoking the issue? it's a republican phony scandal

in mr. president, there's nothing phony about this. you want us to believe you. you say you are a man of your word. >> i say what i mean and i mean what i say. >> mr. president, with all due respect, no, you don't. it turns out the only transparency in your administration is how clearly you subvert the truth for your own political gain. like i said, there's something about being an american, a sense of pride, a sense of security. it's time we got back to that narrative. 2016 can't come soon enough. and that's my opening statement. with me, fox news military analyst, colonel david hunt. good evening, colonel. >> hi. >> colonel, you see the benghazi debacle in three phases. lack of security, lack of

response, and a cover-up. explain what you mean by that. >> well, the lead up to this attack in 2012 was that we knew al qaeda was flying flags in benghazi. we had embassies from britain close down, we had people being killed. it was an open secret. we had the military had gone in and got an assessment. there was a cia base a mile down the street. everybody involved in security from the state department, department of defense, cia knew benghazi was a dangerous place and therefore there was a decision not to put armed guards at the consulate because -- i think because of the ci base down the street. if you don't buy that, then it's totally incompetence. >> okay. it's one of the other. okay. let me ask you this. what about the claim that the cia annex was really in the business of taking the leftover gadhafi weapons and sending them through turkey to syria? >> yeah, that's exactly what

they were doing. and the consulate -- one of the admissio missions of the consulate was to support that operation. the lack of preparation wasn't there. they knew it wasn't there. they put unarmed guards at a consulate in the middle of an al qaeda nest. >> all right. and what do you think of the idea of their not sending any help at all, none of the military forces that are supposed to protect americans in situations like that? >> we've been at war, judge, for 11 years. one thing is for sure, we can go from point a to point b and kill things. the president of the united states never gave an order -- the order to go in an attempt a rescue. if he had, we have the finest military in the world fighting, it was never given the order to do it. >> can we throw up the map? hold on, colonel, i think we have a map of this. >> sure. >> all right. right now what we've got is a map of italy.

it shows the connection and how close it is to the u.s. consulate in northern africa and benghazi. >> right. >> so it wouldn't have taken eight hours to get there. why did they say they couldn't get there in time? >> they are playing the game of what is, is. the own planes that could have gotten there fast were the ones that already had loaded bombs that were allegedly six hours away. there were jets -- it takes 15 minutes to load a bomb. i keep going back to the fact that we have been at war for 11 years. we know how to put a bomb on a jet and get it there. special forces unit was fully loaded and on and on. the issue is, the president, for whatever reason, never gave the order to assist. because at the beginning of this fight, no one knew it was going to last for eight hours. we didn't know that at the time. and by the way, they had within

five minutes real intelligence, they were watching the fight as it happened. >> all right. colonel, the president makes it sound in this -- i think we have some sound on that one, guys. maybe we can play this. i'd like you to listen to this. >> and when you look at the videotape of this whole thing unfolding, this is not some systematic, well-organized process. >> he makes it sound like war is some roman centurion failings and because it didn't look like war it wasn't terrorism. what does it look like? >> this was a battle with very bad guys, many of which were terrorists, which everyone since has admitted to. the problem is, we weren't prepared. the second problem is, if it wasn't for the cia base down the road that came to rescue, more would have died.

the best military in the world was within two to four hours to at least attempt. i wanted them to at least try and then after four americans died, we lied about it for weeks. >> the same is, they never allege that they sent help. colonel, great to see you. coming up, he says the president is an outrageous liar. is he right? and is it the next terrorist target? is our government doing enough on the grid? what should the government do

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on the president and he joins me now. thank you, senator, for joining us. what the president said last sunday in the bill o'reilly interview, you say, was an outrageous lie. why do you say that? >> well, first of all, you know what evidence is with your background. the president has four advisers on things having to do with intelligence or defense. that is the cia director and chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. when you have all of the advisers appointed by the president, answerable to the president telling the president that it was an organized terrorist attack -- >> senator, i don't mean to interrupt. i agree with you. everyone said it was an organized attack. five days later susan rice is sent out. without going into the whole scenario, how did this administration benefit? and we know it's right before an

election but how did they benefit from saying it was not an organized terrorist attack? i mean, why is that good for them? >> well, they were pushing the video thing, jeanine, because it was just a matter of days before that that he made the american people believe that his middle eastern policy had stopped all of the terrorist activity, he was moving everything to the eastern rim. remember that? >> right. >> this was a couple of months before the election, obviously, with an organized terrorist attack, it just diffused the message he was trying to send and they created this thing with the video. that's the motivation. it couldn't be anything else. you remember what gregory hicks said over there? he said, i was stunned. my jaw dropped and i was embarrassed. it was something that was so outrageous and that's why i used the term "outrageous." these four people all repeated using unequivocal of what it was. to me, judge, it was just -- it

was to make the people of america not realize right before an election that there's still a serious problem in the middle east, which there was. >> all right, senator, so where is the accountability? we know the state department -- and poor greg hicks. he's the one guy who has been basically demoted to a desk job. everyone else is promoted. susan rice gets a promotion. where is the accountability? this is america? >> president obama has historically gotten by with things. he's very persuasive. i understand that. i guess he thought if he said it and sent her to the sunday shows and make that statement, people would believe it. and it's just -- again, all of the evidence is there. i don't think that anyone doubts now that they knew it was an organized terrorist attack. it's the motive, the motive i think was clearly political. >> senator, last question. you've been in washington for a long time and i was a

prosecutor, a judge, d.a., all of that. you know, truth and justice is important to all of us. how do you get through in that town when you see these fantasies and these scripts that have nothing to do with reality? senate intelligence committee, a bipartisan committee. how do you get through this? >> well, you have to sort it out. now, when you're there, you can do it. you know what the truth is. the main thing is, getting to the american people, we all know it's not the act, it's the cover up that people find so offensive and i'm talking about look at the pentagon papers, the iraq contra, watergate and all of that. this is far worse because there's absolutely no doubt in anyone's mind that they were lying, they were not telling the truth to the american people. >> and other than an election, do we have -- are there any not just consequences but what can americans do? >> well, i think what they can do is, first of all, they said

something about the character of the person behind it. granted, barack obama cannot run for president again so it doesn't make that much difference but there are other people there that were with him. there are going to be people running for office in the very senate races, house races and probably for president that are going to be determined largely by -- a lot of them, by their relationship with president obama. now, you notice a lot of them are unarirunning away from it r now. this happens to be the worst of all of the cover-ups. >> and as you said, to quote something to your dying day, you believe this will go down as the biggest cover-up in american history. >> yes. somebody asked me that question, was this worse than watergate and i said, how many people died in watergate? >> exactly. exactly. senator, thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you, judge. coming up, is obamacare contributing to the loss of jobs contributing to the loss of jobs

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lock. >> what is job lock? >> they want people who are working who have health benefits to be able to quit their jobs and reduce their hours and have the taxpayer pay for their health plan instead. that's exactly what's happening here. nancy pelosi said last november, we want people to become writers and cameramen and entrepreneurs, retire early. why should they have to work to get health benefits? so, the agenda is, let's personal responsibility and more taxpayer dependence. and i say taxpayer dependence because government doesn't have money. it's coming out of your pocket and mine. >> the white house says a two-parent family on subsidized obamacare will work out better with one person working rather than two. they are creating a reliance on the government? >> more government dependence. each one of these subsidies cost

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people so vulnerable. what i don't understand about this is that there are so many american companies that are superior in this area. and i'm not going to go over the whole story about the website but where is belaruse? >> it's part of the former soviet union near the black sea. the cia director has become one of the obama know no nothings. we should at least be getting to the truth. >> so now they are saying that the white house may allow people to keep their old plans. is that even legal? >> of course it's not legal. nothing in here is legal. >> this is legal. you just can't change it. >> what you see rolling out now, the obamacare that you see rolling out bears no resemblance to what the congress passed in 2010 and this is just one more example and what will it peemea?

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we've been on this story for the last month but here with the latest is dominic. can you tell us what happened in san jose? >> well, what happened in san jose, this was april last year and effectively there was an unknown number of gunmen who attacked the substation in the silicon valley. they opened up with at least 100 to 150 rounds on power lines and on power stations at installation points. that caused part of the grid to go down. fortunately, it didn't take out all of silicon valley much as people feared it could at the time. pg&e, the utility, claims it was just vandalism. now the former head of the regulator says it was terrorism, something the fbi denies. it's caused an absolute including in washington where now a group of democrat senators want to know from the regulators just how well protected the grid really is and whether indeed utilities have really taken adequate steps to prevent this

from happening. and no one seems to know and that's why it's turned into a d deb baulk kell, judge. >> no one really cared about it until it got out but when you talk about the fact that you had a sniper attack, i understand that there was something like 20 minutes of shooting at the substation after they cut the telephone lines. i mean, this is more sophisticated that your run of the mill vandalisms. don't you think? >> yes. the former head of the regulator says these guys were well-trained. and so with a 20-minute attack, he felt that it was perhaps a precursor to another attack, almost as if it was a training mission. that has got people very, very alarmed. this week a letter was written

saying, look, we have a law back from 2005 when the utilities voluntarily improved the security. so what's going to happen now. >> dominic, thanks so much. and joining me now, former deputy assistant secretary of defense for nuclear forces in the reagan administration, current president of the center for security policy, frank gafney. can you answer the question why what happened in san jose -- which appears to be a relatively well-planned, sophisticated attack on a substation, why it was quiet for so long. >> i think an effort was made to conceal from the public what had happened. you can rationalize it as an effort to prevent copycats from repeating this elsewhere and i think as rightly concluded has been the case consistently for

years, jeanine, we've seen the electric utilities try to conceal from the public the vulnerability of their infrastructure. you used the term earlier in the program with my friend jim inhofe about the cover-up and this was a cover-up, for whatever reason, and the public safety has been jeopardized because the grid is vulnerable to an attack of this kind and nothing is being done to remedy it and i can't tell you how appreciative we are for you bringing notice to this needed action. >> no one has been arrested or charged. you've got people shooting for 19 minutes, going into some kind of underground station to cut the telephone wires and the fbi says, no, this is just vandalism

and we continue to sift through the evidence. you're kidding, right? sift through the evidence. but let me move on to what we can do now. we understand and you understand and the viewers who have been watching "justice" know that this can be devastating to civilization as we know it. why is everyone -- why are the local power companies not doing anything? >> i think there are two basic reasons. and it's not just the local power companies. it's the utilities sort of trade association i think of it as, the north american electric r y reliability association otherwise known as naerc. it doesn't have the teeth to do anything. it's up to naerc to understand what is done and generally it

doesn't want to do anything i think because of cost concerns but in the end they will pass those costs on to ratepayers. >> of course they will. you and i are going to pay for it. >> they don't want to jeopardize this kind of a deal. this wasn't any dress rehearsal. this was a real and narrowly averted successful destruction of a critical piece of the electric grid that would have blackened out, i'm afraid, probably silicon valley and much of the san francisco bay area probably for years. >> all right. so frank -- >> -- with devastating effects. >> it can be a result of a solar flare natural or a nuclear device that made it into the atmosphere. >> right. >> now we've got people who are actually shooting at the electrical substations. so -- and you know what, i don't buy for one minute the idea that they are worried about copycats.

that's a bunch of hogwash. if they were worried about it, they would do something about it. >> right. >> and so what is your organization doing to try to get legislation passed on this instead of a policy? >> we've set up a coalition. we're very pleased to have former speaker of the house newt gingrich and former director of central intelligence under jim clinton, jim woolsey as our coach here. we pulled together the best minds in this country, i think, on the vulnerabilities of the grid and what needs to be done to fix it. the military, as you know, jeanine, has been spending billions of dollars over 50 years hardening key parts of the military. so what do we use? surge protectors to protect the key things like these transformers that were nearly blown up in san jose. we use capacitors to shunt the surge around them and we could use physical cages or barriers to protect them as well. these are practical measures.

we know how to do it. we've got to protect particularly these 2,000 other so transformers that truly are the critical component of our 21st century society survival. >> all right. frank gaffney, always great to hear your insight. thanks for being here tonight. >> thank you. joining me, ray lahood who is joining us from peoria, illinois. secretary lahood, in your view, how vulnerable is the american power grid? >> well, i think the incidents that you've been talking about tonight, jeanine, and by the way, you focused on this like the laser beam and people ought to be in your debt for the kind of attention that you've paid to this. i think that your previous guest, frank gaffney, with the work that he is doing with this special group of people that are

experts really looking into this and hopefully coming out with some kind of a report will playoff of what you've been trying to do to get politicians' attention in washington, d.c. >> you know, former secretary of transportation, how would a downed power grid affect ground transportation as well as aviation? >> well, look, we know that all of the transit systems that run around our country today are electrified by power grids, whether it's out in the metro system in d.c. or the trains that run in chicago or any of the other systems. you would have -- jeanine, you would have a complete shutdown if a power grid went down in a major metropolitan area, you'd have a complete shut down of the major transportation systems in a major city.

now, when it comes to aviation, obviously the airports have backup systems but it would cause a state of panic if that were to happen. >> how long would a backup system last, though? >> it would last until people figured out how to get the system back up. there are good backup systems. this is so important to safety at our airports and the technology that's used to guide planes in and out of airports, these backup systems wouldn't be there. but look, think of the thousands of people that use transit, that use other forms of transportation. track, an electrified system along the northeast corridor, if the northeast quadrant were shut down, it would cause a calamity. >> mr. secretary, what is it going to take? you're a congressman, also, to pass a law to protect our grid? this is not a partisan issue.

this is to protect americans. you've been in congress. what kind of horse trading needs to be done to get this kind of law passed? >> look, jeanine, i think this needs the attention of someone like our friend darrell issa who chair as committee that's investigated a lot of things and what i suggest is that your folks get darryl's attentiell's. he could introduce legislation. i know congressman waxman from california has taken an interest in this. i know governor richardson, he's no longer in office. but to me, i think what you ought to be doing and others ought to be doing is get on the phone with chairman issa and say, hold some hearings and then introduce legislation. that would get the public's attention. >> well, the great ideas. we're going to do that, secretary lahood. thanks so much for being with us this evening. good to see you. >> thank you, jeanine. thanks for all you're doing. >> thank you.

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companies that went bankrupt >> okay, when you say sol lind dra, the government was inventing in this so called energy program that at the end of the day, everyone knew it's going belly up. why

can't -- there are -- >> it's not >> shield bill, then thipa. why is it taking so long for congress? everybody wants to be a hero here. why not do it? >> we passed the grid act that authorized to do regulations they can regulate and installed in the senate. it's interesting four senators are now writing about it. they had an opportunity to solve this problem people pay enough in taxes and are funding department of energy. $30 billion budget less than 10%, one time cost, could pay for it. >> congressman, what would it take to devote the money from deo to, into a pockets so the grid could be reenforced? we've got local power companies and

the federal government, probably pointing the finger, at the end it's me and you are going to end up paying for this with increased costs. what would it take to divert money from energy to the grid? >> well, we just have to identify waste in the department of energy. and believe me, judge. i was on a committee overseeing it, there is a lot of waste in that department you just have thousands of marylanders and pennsylvaniain was out power, imagine if that was millions, in winter, it's heating. people would freeze this, is a tremendous need we don't have to charge more, we're charging taxes and rung a department of energy we just ought to pass this bill, authorize the department of energy to pay for it, get it over with. >> there is no question this

would end civilization as we know it. i am not being dramatic. >> you're not. >> you just heard former secretary of transportation talking about this issue. you know? what it would do to everything, but at the same time, if we agree it's a problem what needs to be done in congress? is it a question whof gets credit for it? with all due respect i don't think anyone gives a damn if we're going to pay for it. why can't we get the bills out of committee? and the senate to pass what the house passed? what do we need to do? >> i'm going to disagree with secretary la hood. we don't need more hearings everybody understands this issue. people in congress knew about this attack. i'm surprised that they didn't take action

we should have bills passed and figure out a way to fund them, again. you don't need -- you don't need to find $2 billion immediately. this is not, you know, it pales in comparison to things we're talking about funding in washington. >> congressman, it's just crazy. >> this is critical. >> you're right. it's critical. yes. absolutely. >> and congressman, thank you for being with us, we're going to stay on this thing. i don't think we need anymore hearings. what happened in san jose is an example of how vulnerable we are. >> that should be our wake up call. >> absolutely. >> coming up, your responses to tonight's insta poll. what should the government do to protect the power grid? facebook or tweet me.

. now it is time for the results of tonight's insta poll, we asked what should the government do to protect the u.s. power grid? i have to tell you those answers were very interesting. darrell writes first, put the military on a separate grid and second, update the power line. it is just stupid to have our national defense on the same grid. i couldn't agree with you more on that in fact i was stunned to find out they were on the same grid. travis tweets, say that fast everyone, approve the keystone pipeline. i'm not sure, i get that one. lowell shout out, we need to do everything we can to protect our country's power grid. stop playing politics with the american people. and glenda suggests grounding our cables would work wonders

for the transformers. rita says create a backup for the grid. all states should be accountable for their own grids. and by the way, rita, i believe there is one state that is already doing that, it could be maine. i was reading about that. and bob tweets we could use the national guard reserves and station them at power-producing plants. good idea. martin says like many of you are concerned, i'm concerned. we should prepare it as if it were war. use everything it takes to fix it as soon as possible. and sabina simply posts we should pass the shield act. right on, sabina, carol tweets elicit help to secure our borders, many of you have other ideas, janet states use the money spent spying on citizens

and do something useful like, oh, fix the grid. michelle writes stop spending our money on lousy obamacare commercials and use it to protect the people. and one asks how can they protect the grid when they can't protect four americans in benghazi? how true. and lauren writes, work as hard as they do to save our resources as they do to save their sala salaries and their benefits. ritchie says nothing, let the utilities deal with it. this government is dysfunctional, corrupt and will screw it up. the only problem is if the government doesn't tell the local power companies to do something they're not going to. and lastly, clint posts if you like your power grid you can keep your power grid. pedic period. touche, clint, that is it for us, remember to follow us on facebook or find me on twitter @

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