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>> what will the weather be like? >> bundle up. >> stay warm. >> don't miss tomorrow, it will be almost as good as this one. >> almost. bye. after the show show. bill: good morning. we are getting this word from the national weather service. the snow is starting to fall in the southeast. forecasters are warning this could be one information the ages. they are talking about a catastrophic event before it's happened. warning the storm could reach historical proportions. we'll talk to the governor of georgia in 27 minutes. new questions if the white house is making things up as it goes. ed the obama administration announce another delay on obamacare. what next you ask? get ready. good morning.
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martha: good morning. i'm martha maccallum. this time the white house is giving companies another year to cough their employees. it now goes through 2016 which is an election year of course. bill: the story this time is what? >> reporter: if you have an employer between 50-99 full-time employees, the employer mandate has been delayed until 2016. that's a one-year delay in this section of the employer mandate. plus the mandate has been relaxed for some trades and industries like volunteer fire departments. that's the latest delays. >> you have got an employer mandate delay until 015. insurance cancellations delayed about a year. online enrollment for small business delayed until 014. individual mandate delayed for some until next year.
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i don't know about you, but my head is spinning. >> reporter: if you are running a business your head is spinning, too. these are complex and detailed rules and they shift all the time. this is the chaos and confusion that is unfolding. if you are running a business, it doesn't matter what size. how do you know which part of obamacare is still in force, which part of it has been delayed? the only thing you know is the taxes which went up to pay for obamacare are still in place. bill: what's the motivation? is it business, health insurance, or politics? >> what this latest delay does is to shift beyond the 2014 elects. the downsizing of companies for obamacare mandates. you put all of this off until
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after this year's election. bill: does business want this? >> yes, business doesn't mind this. it objects to the complexity of the rules. but the other side of the story is this. last year obamacare was going to free up people from work. but this week people are back in the chains of work. that's a contradiction. martha: to make matters worse. healthcare to the governor is set to go down d healthcare.gov is set to go down for maintenance. the white house says it's expected saturday february 15. that's the deadline to sign up for march coverage. over that crucial period users are encouraged to use a hotline. well see how that works out. bill: no silver lining in the
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enrollment for obamacare. 3 million even rolled and 7 hi bit end of march. less than a quarter of those people are in the 18-34 range. they are the so called millennials needed to fund the plan. double the amount of obamacare employees have received notice cancellations of their healthcare plans. i know we are throwing a lot at you every day. but we are just trying to keep pace with it. we'll see where it falls. stay tuned, there is more coming up on this. manuel orsorio-arellanes the this. martha: . it's easy for them. snow, freezing rain and ice. that's the part don't want. it happened a couple week ago and it put them at a total stand still. today's headline says here we go
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again. you remember thousands stranded in traffic and forced to sleep in stores. kid sleeping at their schools. look at this guy sleeping in a grocery store. view rar this happens once or twice of five year. we weren't prepared. it was more than we expected. people were walking around the road. they looked day and confused. they were freezing and threat were limping? it was like a scene from the walking dead. >> reporter: jonathan serrie is live from atlanta. what's going on where you are? >> reporter: i'm in an atlanta truck yard.
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they are loading two parts gravel and one part salt. once the temperatures get near freezing these truck will head out to prevent freeing and provide traction if ice begins freezing on these roadways. they are getting an early start this time around hoping to avoid all the traffic gridlock they experienced during the storm two weeks ago. martha: that's good news. we didn't hear a lot about salting trucks. i'm sure they are going to handle it differently in terms of shutting things down. >> reporter: the warning are going out much earlier. officials already warning today and even as early as yesterday telling people if you don't have to be out on these road, stay home. most school systems in metro atlanta being very proactive
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cancelling classes for today and tomorrow. and a lot of people are heeding the warning to stay home. during rush hour traffic today it wasn't much of a rush hour. if this is any indication they are well on their way preventing the serious traffic gridlock. the serious concern in this storm is power outages. the quhans of ice forming on wires and weighing down power lines and weighing down nearby trees falling on the power lines. officials are preparing for the real possibility of power outages. martha: we'll be watching throughout the course of this and updating people as much as we can. bill: just saw a picture on twitter near macon. it's white on the ground already. georgia's governor is declaring
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this time it will be different. and 40 counties in the state. something he did not do last time, declaring a state of emergency. >> we are make every effort to be repaired for these events and i -- to be prepared for these events. i will say we should use extreme caution. we are trying to make sure our resources for treating our roadways have been restocked and they are located in places where we think they will be. bill: that's governor nathan deal. he will talk to us in 2 minutes about getting another shot at this. the snow is on the ground as we just mentioned deep into southern georgia. martha: this news this morning. iconic child actress shirley temple black. she died in her san francisco home.
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she was surround bid her family. -- she was surrounded by her family. she started her career at 7 years old. she became a top box office draw. ♪ i'm the good ship lollipop ♪ it's a sweet trip to a candy shop ♪ ♪ where bon-bons play on the sunny beach of peppermint bay. martha: i don't think any child star has come close to capturing the adorableness of shirley temple. she retired from the business at 21. she got married then she went into politics. she served as ambassador to czechoslovakia. she said her greatest achieve the was her long marriage.
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bill: 55 years married. i read her momled her hair 56 times every time she was on stage. despite a bumpy tart to the year, governor chris christie is breaking fundraising record for republicans. is he ready for a comeback? karl rove on that. march where gone in 60 seconds. unbelievable. this is u.s. special forces at work. the capture of a man thought to be one of usama bin laden's senior advisers. bill: a baby kidnapped from his crib. police releasing call from his frantic mother. >> 911, what's the emergency?
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martha: president obama greeting french president francoi francos hollande. tonight is the big black tie state dinner. yesterday they toured monticello, thomas jefferson's home in virginia. bill: it's been a tough couple months for the new jersey governor chris christie. he has just broken fundraising records. raising twice as much as they did a year ago. karl rove is with us in little rock, arkansas. good morning to you, karl.
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we have a statement from the communications director. she says this january with the help of chris christie and the republican governors the rga raised $6 million. that's more than twice as much that's been raised in our ga history and twice as much as was raised in the last comparable cycle 2010. is this about republicans or about chris christie doing the job? >> i think it's both. the reports of his demise are premature. you can understand why some of his republican competitors, why the democrats with him looking good in the polls, why the new york-based national media may want to put him in the ground and put dirt on top of him. but $6 million raised. that would put the rga on a track to get over $70 million.
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it raised $50 million last year. it's a good starting number. some of that may be tact cal. they renewed people's gifts in december. but some of them is the star power and going to places around the country to hold fundraisers. bill: we are looking at 2016. a lot of thing are popping up. way just said is rumors of his deniet --rumors of his demise ay exagerated. rand paul is pounding on the clintons. >> each of these candidates need to do something in 2014. they need to make this about something bigger than their
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personal ambitions. rand paul spending a lot of time talking about the mistakes that bill clinton does not look like a big agenda for the future of the country. the second thing they need to do is strengthen their skills as a candidate. each one of these people has run and won in a state. but they are about ready to enter a koon tes -- they are abo enter a contest that will cover most of the 50 states. they have to strengthen their skills. i'm not sure beating up on monica lewinsky is a great thing. bill: we'll check out how the political wind are shifting. we mentioned rand paul, chris
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christy. there is marco rubio, and jeb bush, scott walker and mike huckabee. >> rick santorum of pennsylvania, governor bobby jindal of louisiana. governor rick perry texas. senator ted cruz of texas. this is way too early to start handicapping their sort of the horse race. the question is what are each one of these people doing to make 2014 about something bigger than themselves? for christy it can't be just about money. he's been hurt by this. people are hesitant. people are enthusiastic about him. willing to encourage their friend to get involved are saying i don't believe he had anything to do with this but i'm going to be hesitant. this is the start of the drama. i could be enthusiastic about
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him if he passes through this. but christie wisely seized on this good fundraising number. but now he has to make it about something bigger than himself. whether he likes it or not, his skills will be tested. he will either come out of this in better shape where people say he handled this situation with dignity and strength or not. >> i appreciate the analysis. enjoy little rock, arkansas. martha: is there a serial killer on the loose near our nation's capital? three people killed after innocently answering their doorbell. details on this. bill: the white house pushing back on another part of obamacare. will the employer mandate ever actually happen? >> the whole idea that the
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bill: federal prosecutors say that kristen smith faked her own pregnancy before snatching kayden. she found a prosthetic presentina possible prostheticp. martha: . police in maryland say there may be a serial killer. an alexandria woman killed near lodato's home. then a man was murder in a similar way. no forced entry.
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they answered their door. now police are on the outlook for a balding man with a beard. rob, good morning. in each one of these cases it's difficult to find a mow tough for these killing. >> i remember that case in 2003. that occurred in alec a oh -- i, virginia. she was the wife of the sheriff at the time. there were no clues the police department could tie anyone to her death. this past november a high-level official of the transportation official, a man by the name of ron kirby answered his door and lo and behold someone shot him.
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investigators are trying to determine if the cases may be related. but at this point it's too early to jump to that conclusion. but the investigators are definitely going to consider that. martha: i remember the case of the gentleman we talked about in the middle there. the doorbell rang and his wife watched the whole thing. a horrifying murder. you say you with lean in this latest case toward going the traditional route talking to her relatives and friends trying to figure fought somebody wanted her dead. >> i do. i have been following this case since last thursday when it occurred. the area where this murder occurred is a nice area. it's an upscale area. a lot of mom and pop shops. so it's not the type of area where you have typical street crime. but i'll tell you where i'm
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leaning toward. as an investigator i wonder if this could be a case of mistaken identity. i'm wondering if the individual who committed this murder, he only knocked on the door and started shooting. maybe he was expecting to be as someone else's home. as investigators we have to look at every one of these scenarios in the hopes maybe they will lead us somewhere. martha: people in alexandria have much on edge and not answering their doorbell until this is figured out. thank you very much. bill: forecasters warning of a storm of a storm proportions. a live look in alabama, 50 miles north of birmingham. atlanta hoping to avoid scenes like this. millions of cars stuck on the road. governor nathan deal is live in a moment on how his state is getting ready for the next round
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specifically. governor nathan deal is back us. you are not going to forget this winter. we just heard from the national weather service talking about a storm of historic proportions. the question based on what happened two weeks ago is this. are you ready? >> we think we are ready. obviously mother nature can do strange things from time to time. we have had more warning this time. more opportunity to prepare. and we are declaring those 45 counties under a state of emergency declaration for weather. we are going to be adding 43 additional counties south of atlanta this morning. >> so it will expand from there. do you feel like this is a second chance? >>it is an opportunity for us to show that we do have the capability of dealing with these emergencies and we think we have
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done the preparations necessary to do that. we put people on alert. this morning at 7:30 over people's cell phones they had an emergency weather warning. so people have been put on notice and we declared yesterday as that emergency declaration day. most of the schools are closed. in fact those in the metro atlanta area rr are all closed. we are seeing snow falling in the northern part of our state and it appear to be moving south. the real danger here in georgia as many parts of the south is not snow. it's snow that turns to ice. more this case predictions of sleet and freezing rain. and that adds the additional element of danger of falling power lines. last time we were fortunate that we did not lose power. we believe the ice will be a huge factor making it more
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important that people try to avoid being on the road and try to stay home if they can. bill: if electricity go out, tour goes out. we are look at a picture from our fox affiliate in atlanta. this is the metro atlanta area. it's already starting to snow and it's 9:30 in the morning. the last time this storm rolled through, the warning went out around lunchtime, 1:00. when you decided to send the kid home from school and get everybody out of the offices in atlanta and send them home as well. timing must be a factor. >> it is a big factor. in this instance we had more predictions earlier on yesterday so we could make those emergency declarations so we could stage the trucks necessary to spreaded the salt and sand and brian. so there was a lot more opportunity information
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preparation this time. we think we have done that appropriately working in conjunction with the city of atlanta and their supplies they have and their personnel. but we think we are in much better shape this year, this time of this storm to be able to deal with the adversities. but it is alarming when you hear the national weather service use terms like "historic" and other term that would seem to indicate this could be a severe storm. we already know that we have two waves. the first wave is not as severe as the second one. we are in the process of receiving the first wave. tomorrow will be a worse day for us than today. bill: you are right on that edge based on the radar we were looking at. between the freezing rain, and the snow. governor, thanks. you know how ticked off people were last time. we'll get it right this time.
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march already a fox news alert on the latest report of what happened in benghazi. this claims the white house and state department failed to provide adequate security for the u.s. consulate in libya. this comes from the house on services committee. the defense department believed was a terror attack almost immediate live. four americans were killed that night including ambassador chris stevens. this report, this analysis -- and we have seen several of these reports. this corroborates a lot of what we have been seeing in terms of where the fault lies on this, right, jonah? >> it seems to. this is a continuation of the interim report which basically found that most of the criticisms of the white house handling of benghazi were accurate. minus the one thing about the order of the standdown.
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they found there was no evidence of that. the reports are this report are large are you exonerate the defense department for not being preparedder. >> being able to do anything. i'm not sure they deserve that much exoneration. if i have a heart attack the ambulance driver doesn't get to decide whether he reaches me whether he can get to me in time. you don't know how long that attack is going to take place. they could have scrambled thinking it would be a two-day firefight. they are putting a lot of blame squarely on the state department. they had lots of warnings at the state department and requests for additional security. but they moved security from the benghazi compound. i don't know that this is a huge lot of news. but it keeps it going as a huge
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proposition and debunks things you are hearing from the white house all the time. martha: you make interesting points with regard to the military and september 11 and whether there should have been more thought process and being prepared to respond, especially given what happened in benghazi and the weeks before. >> it was 9/11. it's not valentine's day. especially during a presidential election when the al qaeda who read the "new york times," too, knows it would get a lot of attention. martha: you feel for the president his report puts another nail in the coffin for this story. it moves it away out of the radar and pushes it perhaps into the next election zone. >> yeah. i think the white house's handling of all this is scandalous and outrageous and it
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should have been a bigger story. the reality is a lot of people in america, a lot of people in the mainstream america consider this to be old news. i don't know anything in this report will shatter that. but the way the white house handles this is like with so many other things. you basically kick the can down the road. so now we are going to see hillary clinton gearing up for a presidential run. she'll come out with a book. never mind opposition researchers. a lot of researchers will take a microscope to that to see how much it conflicts with the record. what hillary said before. it guarantees this thing is going to have a radioactive half life for hillary clinton for the rest of her public career. martha: she said herself benghazi was her biggest regret in terms of how it was handled.
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jonah, thank you very much. >> thanks for having me. bill: the new fed reserve chair testify before congress on the health of the american economy. new woman in charge. check it out. 20 minutes. martha: another day and another obamacare delay. could this be the death nell for the employer mandate? >> reporter: border agent terry's family speak out. >> we were somewhat surprised his only response to the judge was i'm a victim as well. ♪boots and pants and boots and pants♪ ♪and boots and pants and boots and pants♪ ♪and boots and pants...
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>> it's against the law. it's simply a blackboard and which obama writes any number he wants and any delay he wants and provision it many changing the law in a way you are not allowed to do. bill: krauthammer calls the obama delay a sham. what about that banana republic comment. strong language, strong word. but it's tough to keep up with this guy. what is the law today? >> i guess it's push back another year. forget the eraser. they are writing these laws with invisible ink and change them as they go along. terrible uncertainty for businesses. of course, it's done for political reasons. i do disagree with charles
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krauthammer on thi one. i don't think they will scrap it. they can't keep postponing. the mandates are the glue that hold this law together. they are going to need people somehow, some way, to get into the exchanges to keep the law together. let's not forget the goal of obamacare is not to lower premium or insure people, it's to get people depend dent on government. that's why they need this as well. >> i think charles has stepped way over the line by calling this a banana republic. this is an enormously complex law requiring -- you literally have to rewrist as you go along because the situation has never been like this. do you think this was moved because of political reasons? yes, i do. and i'm glad it is. if i were in the political
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consulting business -- bill: the calendar says in november the first tuesday is november 4. it will be six years after this bill was signed into law. law. before the employers have to have the mandated coverage. march of 2010. we are now pushing 016. and boehner says this. >> once again the president is giving a break to corporations while individuals and families are still stuck under the man date of healthcare law and the president is rewriting the law on a whim. this continued manipulation breeds confusion and erodes america's confidence in him and his healthcare law. confusion, confidence, families stuck, but businesses are helped out. >> and just last week we heard the democrats in office say, look, you shouldn't have to work if you don't want to, according
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to that new cbo report. you can be liberated from your job. which one is it? do they want to keep people in their jobs or do they want to launch a war on work? i disagree with bob when he says they have to do these kinds of things. this is unprecedented. when the mandates kick in he will be gone and out of office. what does he care? it doesn't matter. he doesn't care about the unemployment rate. >> 95% of the american people in this country are insured by companies with over 50. under 50. those people generally have insurance some way or another. it's not as if all of sudden by postponing this you have millions of people without insurance. bill: you said it's okay to keep changing this law because it's
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fraud? i heard it was called gu p gumby last night. >> if i was on the other side it's a great political issue. there is nothing else to run with. they don't have alternatives worth a damn on their own. >> businesses are looking at their rosters and saying if i have 52 employee i'm going to fire three employees or if i have a lot of employees and i'm off that 50 mark i'll relegate them to part time status. the white house says that's fine. big businesses say i don't want to pay the penalty so you guys go into the exchanges. because these are too expense yuf for to us sustain. >> you have yet to come up with a way to deal with 40 million uninsureinsured americans.
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that was the idea behind this. yes this thing is moving around. i wouldn't make all the funny gumby sound or banana republic sound. but there are 40 million people walking out without health insurance and that is a national disgrace. billdisgrace.. the plans they have basically -- bill: the question is whether they could get it through congress. >> they are regurgitated old let the marketplace handle itself. it's a wonderful place to go and we know the health insurance marketplace is one of the most ridiculously byzantine -- i wouldn't say corrupt but they collude with each other to set prices. >> we do have issues with insurance companies. but this law only makes more people uninsured. bob, it does. republicans aren't against it because of political reasons.
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we are against it because it's a bad law. bill: crowd hammer says they are going to cancel the mandate eventually. check him out at 5:00. martha: bringing a terrorist to justice. new surveillance video showing the moment when american covert ops captured hip. he was behind a pair of deadly embassy bombings. fight back fast with tums. eartburn relief that neutralizes acid on contact and goes to work in seconds. ♪ tum, tum tum tum tums! but we're not staying in the kitchen. just start the slow cooker, add meat and pour in campbell's slow oker sauce. by the time you get home, dinner is practically done. and absolutely delicious. everne is cooking wiew campbell's slow cooker sauces.
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pulls up. the man just arrived at his home in tripoli. a van blocks him. there is a long struggle that ensues on this tape. this is an incredible piece of what dwoas on on the ground. they manage to get him into the van and peel out of there before anyone can help him. what have we learned from this video about this operation? >> reporter: this provide a look at u.s. intelligence shot by a surveillance camera. it was shot before dawn october 5 in tripoli, libya. less than two minutes after al-libby was whisked the away to a military base and the u.s.s. san antonio in the arabian sea.
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the arrest is not new. the startling video is the new part and it shows the armins elite delta force. these missions are normally carried out by the cia. martha: obviously this name was on the radar for some time before they were able to get him. what's his lawyer's defense? >> reporter: there is a defense being paid for by the libyan government. the u.s. claims liby was once close to usama bin laden and was involved in planning the bombing in east africa of the embassy. the lawyer says he cut all ties with al qaeda before the
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bombings. >> he didn't understand what was happening. he had no idea whatsoever. bill: if there is an imminent attack on the u.s. should we strike first? right now conversations at the highest levels of the government on whether it's legal to take out a u.s. citizen planning attacks on the homeland from oversea. what would you do? martha: big question. back to the delay on obamacare. florida senator marco rubio is coming up. >> most people are looking to be in business for 20, 3, 40 years. every time they delay the provision it's a reminder.
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a severe weather alert out there today. the national weather service is warning metro atlanta and much of georgia that they could be in for a catastrophic event. snow all across the board there. forecasters are predicting they will see heavy snow, and the ice is what's always really the problem out on the roads. that could be of historic proportions, apparently. snow is falling there now, they could get 9 inches by tonight. you remember what happened last time, they got 2 inches of snow, and it basically paralyzed atlanta and the surrounding areas. we're going to get you an update on all the coming weather in just a few moments. and in this morning as well, fox news can confirm that the obama administration is debating whether it has the right to go after an american citizen who has joined al-qaeda if he is planning attacks on the homeland from overseas. that is the huge question this morning as we welcome you to a brand new hour of "america's newsroom." i'm martha maccallum. bill: and i'm bill hemmer. the white house adjusting to tighter rules on drone strikes imposed by president obama and
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america's intelligence chief, james clapper, is said to update lawmakers on current and future threats to the homeland. martha: john bolton joins us now, former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. and a fox news contributor. ambassador, good to have you here this morning. >> good morning, martha. martha: a couple of things at play here, and the most important is whether or not this person poses an imminent threat to american lives overseas. what's your understanding of how, how bad this guy is and what he may be planning? >> well, i don't think it's an issue at all whether hek]xñd pon imminent threat. if we have information that an american citizen or anybody else has joined in taking up arms against the united states, he is a legitimate target in our war against terrorism, a war the obama administration doesn't like to talk about. it's not a question of whether he's an imminent threat. if he's on part of the enemy's side, he is a fit subject for attack. i think there is a more important issue. i want to know who in the administration talked to the
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press about the consideration being given to this attack in the first place. you know, the obama administration has prosecuted or tried to prosecute a lot of leakers. this one ought to go right to the top of the list. these people ought to be, we ought to find out who they are, they ought to be fired at a minimum and probably prosecuted. it is outrageous that this is public at in this point. outrageous. martha: i want to go back to your first point, but let's address the second one first. in terms of this leak, it could be that people are very upset within the ranks that this issue is not being taken seriously, and they don't want to see somebody perhaps, you know, go free or not be hit by this drone or not be taken out if they do pose an imminent threat. >> well, i don't care what their position is. it could be they're against the drone strike to begin with, they're worried it's not going to take place, it is not their role to make these deliberations public. this is a decision perhaps for the president himself, but in any event, a clandestine
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operation in the war against terrorism is not a proper subject for public debate, development care what the perp's conscience is. this is outrageous, and i think congress ought to investigate, i think the administration ought to investigate. you can't have a covert operation program if we talk about it in advance. martha: yeah. well, we know that there's been a lot of changes that have been made, it has leaned more to the pentagon for these decisions than the cia, and there's no doubt a lot of discussions going on behind the scenes about whether or not this should happen. and now as you point out, it is very much in the open, and it's a big discussion today. ambassador, thank you very much. good to have you here, as always. >> thank you. bill: all right. three minutes past. how did we get here in this debate over killing americans? the first time the administration carried out a targeted killing against an american citizen, that was september of 2011, a cia drone took out radical preacher and al-qaeda recruiter anwral anwar al-awlaki in yemen. the administration acknowledging last may that u.s. drones had
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killed four americans since 2009 including awlaki, and in that same month president obama saying he intended to gradually shift drone operations from the cia to the pentagon partly to make them more transparent. martha: well, we have lost a true american legend this morning. the most famous child star ever, shirley temple, died at age of 85. ♪ animal crackers in my soup, monkeys and rabbits loop de loop. ♪ swallowing animals one by one. ♪ in every -- martha: you can't not love shirley temple. she was america's top box office draw for a stretch in the 1930s. no other child star near the popularity of shirley temple. her success in countless films credited with helping to save 20th century fox from bankruptcy back then, lifting the spirits of americans across the country
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during the depths of the great depression. after she retired at the ripe old age of 21 years old, she went on to another great role in her life, the most important, she says, was as a wife, a mother and a grandmother. she was beloved by her husband and by her family. she also served as the ambassador to ghana and to czechoslovakia. she is gone from us now at the age of 85. her publy saves says she -- publicist says she died last night at her home near san francisco. what a life and what a contribution she made to this country in so many ways and to her family as well. she will be missed. bill: and when you think about the time she was acting, the mid '30s, america still down in the dumps about all, and they take to this young woman with 56 curls in her hair to cheer them up and get them through the day. martha: you cannot help but smile when you hear her sing. bill: shirley temple, 85. fox news alert now, a 30-year sentence for the man convicted in the shooting death
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of federal border control agent brian terry. terry was killed in a fire fight, revealed the botched fast and furious operation where federal agents allowed criminals to buy guns for weapons smugglers. he's the first person involved in the killing to go to prison in the u.s. two additional suspects are being held in mexico. two others, apparently, are still on the run. terry's sister or talked about that verdict yesterday. >> like i said, after today i didn't want to see his face anywhere, i just wanted to let him know i meant what i said. >> [inaudible] >> i'm still a little overwhelmed. but we're happy. bill: michael warren's a staff writer at the weekly standard. good morning to you. >> good morning, bill. bill: a step toward justice or only partially? >> it's a partial step toward justice. as you mentioned, there are two of the people who were involved in this of the drug cartel members involved with this who are still at large, two are in mexican custody, so there's a
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lot of, a lot more to do in terms of getting justice for brian terry and his family. but also a lot more questions from the administration about why exactly they were engaging in this project that led to terry's death. bill: and to that point, does the justice department, does the atf, do they still think this was a good idea, a good program? >> that's a really good question, you know? they really benefited, i think, from the murkiness of this operation. it's not entirely clear why they were doing this, what they thought they could get away with by getting guns in the hands of drug cartel members and hopefully tracking them and getting the bad guys, so it really kind of failed in that regard, and so they've got to be questioning whether this was good for them. and also the media firestorm over this over the past several years has not been good for them. so, but they benefited from people not really quite understanding. we kind of assume that the federal government is involved in this kind of subterfuge, but
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we kind of expect them to do it competently. we just don't understand it, or it's like something out of a movie. there's still a lot of questions. bill: quickly here, do you think the administration's actually benefited from the murkiness of this operation? what do you mean by that? >> well, i think they've been able to say that it's something that their opponents in the media at fox and a few other media outlets have been pushing this story. they can say, well, it's really not that big of a deal. they benefited because thai used -- they've used that tactic on other scandals, the irs scandal, the benghazi response, even the obamacare rollout. they've been able to not answer those questions by saying, well, the only people covering this are the people who don't like us, and so -- but, again, it does can raise questions about this operation, and they haven't answered those questions. we'll see if it actually pays off for them. bill: michael, thank you for your time. from the weekly standard, that's michael warren in washington d.c. so you have one now that is sentenced, two are being held in
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mexican custody and two others apparently still on the run today. michael, thank you. nine minutes past the hour now. martha? martha: there's some new questions today about whether the white house may be losing control of the health care law after yet another major they. marco rubio joins us with his reaction. bill: and also new york city's mayor saying it's time to end the so-called income inequality. it's a similar theme we've heard from the president, so is that the new vision of america from democrats? we'll debate that today, fair and balanced also. martha: with several witnesses testifying that the irs targeting of conservatives is still happening today, we're going to ask one conservative activist why she says this is a, quote, weaponization of our government. >> i will continue to press in every legal way possible as i did by filing suit against the internal revenue service. no american citizen should be willing to accept a government that uses its power against its
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bill: an exemploying at a ball bearing plant injuring several people. state of new hampshire. the blast was so powerful, people could feel it about a mile away. 11 people sent to the hospital, two many serious condition. 450 work withers inside the -- work withers inside at the time of that explosion. >> i was on the phone, and there was an explosion, and i ran from the building. >> and what was that like? you said the wall -- [inaudible] >> well, we saw, it was debris. >> what was it like in there? >> i can't even explain it. it was scary. bill: first responders working to term that cause. at this point it appears to be an stent. new hampshire. ♪ ♪ martha: the white house is announcing yet another obamacare delay today pushing back a key provision. this is the employer mandate for a second time now.
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it would give some employers til 2016 before they're forced to offer health insurance to almost all of their full-time workers. florida republican senator marco rubio is on the small business and also the foreign relations committee, so we've got a lot to talk to him about this morning. good to have you here. >> morning. martha: good to have you here, sir. what do you make of this latest delay, those who have employees between 50-99 in number now get til 2016. no relief yet for the individuals, apparently. >> i think there are two things that are important. number one, how curious they have now scheduled it until after the next election, so certainly, they are concerned about the impact that is having. it's a reminder of how poorly thought out this law was. it's a warning against rushing and jamming down people's throats this highly-partisan piece of legislation that was not well thought out. it's having such a disruptive impact across the economy. of even these employers that are apparently getting some short-term relief from this are probably not happy about it
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because of the uncertainty it creates in the long term. most people are are not in business for the next two years, they're looking at the next 20, 30 or 40 years. and this law creates tremendous uncertainty. every time they have to delay a key provision, it's a reminder of how unimplementable this law truly is. martha: are you concerned that it gives you and others one less argument going into the midterm elections and beyond? >> well, i don't view this from a political perspective. i think it's hurting the american people and having a devastating impact on the ability of our economy to grow. from a political standpoint, on the contrary, i think it's actually an argument for why this law so disruptive. they have to keep delaying provisions of it, it tells you this law cannot be implemented because it was poorly designed. martha: want to get your thoughts on another big story, and that is we're learning about the battle that apparently is going on in washington over whether or not to take out someone who is called by our intelligence sources a very bad guy who is intent on killing americans.
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he's an american who turned al-qaeda who is somewhere overseas, and i want to play for you a bit of sound on this from rudy giuliani, and then i want to get your thoughts on it. >> if i were the administration, if i were the president, i'd be very concerned that four american officials are talking about this to the press off the record. that's a serious breach of, you know, protecting our national security. if this guy has any brains, he's already figured out who he is, and he's, you know, he's hiding somewhere. so, you know, a lot of the, a lot of the ways in which they can protect us have already been compromised by the fact that this has been leaked. martha: where do you stand on this? is this somebody that should be taken out with a drone if possible? >> first of all, i won't comment on the particular case and the matter, i'm very cautious about what i discuss publicly. second, i'm very concerned about, as mayor yule janney outlined, the propensity of in the administration to constantly leak sensitive information. in this case it's to appear to be deliberative. here's the one thing i will say,
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we do have a growing problem of home grown extremism, people in this country born or raised or naturalized or just residents of the united states who become radicalized on web sites and then take the next step and decide they want to become jihadists. and i am concerned about that, and i am concerned about the challenges that's going to pose for our country in the years to come. and our laws need to reflect that youing reality. -- that growing reality. martha: do you think the president's realistic about the threat this person poses, and does it bother you there's a debate going on about it at all? >> well, i think in fairness the debate has largely been triggered to the the extent by restrictions that have been put in the law and restrictions that have been written in based on some of the outrage about some of these programs. this is tricky business. but the fact of the matter is there are dangerous people out will who happen to be american citizen, and we need to have laws that reflect that while we protect innocent americans from being hurt. martha: you would. i want to talk to you about
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something near and dear to your heart, you are -- you have rolled out a large education initiative, and you're hoping that there's a way many your plan to give sort of an alternative, cheaper way to a college-level education more a wider number of people. how would you do that? >> well, a couple things. first of all, people have knowledge they have acquired by living life, by working, through volunteer itch. they can acquire -- volunteer im. people should be able to to get credit for that. how many people, for example, veterans, return from war knowing how to do all sorts of things, but in order to get a college degree, heavy got to sit in the classroom and take exams and an entire course and pay for it on something they learned doing in the military or in other aspects of life. my point is that we need to have a flexible higher education system where people can get college credit towards a degree that gives you credit for all those things. but we have a bigger problem. we have this rapid transformation in our economy. it is harder and harder to find a job these days if you don't have some sort of higher education. and yet higher education has
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become more and more expensive, and it is completely controlled by the existing colleges and universities who play an important role, but have a monopoly in controlling access. and as a result, we have a trillion dollars in student loan debt out there. martha: it's extremely expensive to go to college in this country right now. there's another -- again, i just have a couple of seconds on this, but a student investment plan that would get sort of the private sector involved in financing education? >> right. it would allow students to basically have private investment groups invest in them. they pay for their education instead of taking out a loan, and in return the student agrees in a contract to pay back that investment over a period of time through a percentage of how much they make. the if that adds up to more than what they borrowed, then the investment group made great investment. if it turns out less, then the investment didn't work out. but that's an alternative to loans. again, the loans will still be there if that's what they prefer to have, but i think this will really help graduate students going into engineering and the sciences, for example. martha: senator, thank you so
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much. it's always good to see you. thank you for coming on. >> thank you. bill: interesting. 20 minutes past. the cbo chief set to testify about a stunning report from his office saying that obamacare will hurt jobs and the economy. >> by providing heavily subsidized health insurance to people with very low income and then withdrawing those subsidies as income rises, the act creates a disincentive for people to work. bill: so what about that? live on the hill in a moment. also -- martha: plus, look at this terrifying scene. a construction worker dangling underneath a busy interstate after a freak accident. >> i just wanted to get down, you know? it was a scary feeling, you know? after that i had to have patience. thinking about my family and my mom, you know, brothers and sisters, everything, you know? just trying to get down to the ground.
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martha: scary scene this ft. lauderdale, a construction worker left dangling from underneath i-95 after the scaffolding he was working op collapsed. he was stuck there for almost two hours. >> the cables that were lifting the scaffolding just snapped. we don't know, it was so fast,? four of them, each corner. and three of us were happening, and i see my buddy just falling on top of the scaffolding, so bad. martha: wow. rescue crews were able to rappel down to get him. he and three other workers were taken to the hospital, one of those being treated for steers injuries. serious injuries. bill: a long way down. we are awaiting a hearing on the hill. the cbo chief is doug elmendorf. he will testify on this bombshell report detailing how millions of americans could cut their hours or opt out of the job market entirely because of obamacare. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel's on
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that story on the hill. good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning, bill. bill: what's the expectation from him? >> reporter: well, we expect that democrats are going to focus on big picture budget issues. senator patty murray wants to get into writers such as research -- areas such as research, infrastructure, and then you look at republicans like senator jeff sessions, the ranking member, and you can expect he's going to go after the impact of obamacare over the next decade or so. what the president's health care law is doing to our economic outlook, also to our budget. and you can expect that he's going to get questions about what this latest delay announced late yesterday of obamacare will do to the budget short term and the ultimate impact over the next decade or so, bill. bill: you know, mike, what do we expect him to say, or maybe even to explain this? because the white house has given a lot of pushback over the report. >> reporter: right. bill: how will he address that? >> reporter: well, you know that doug elmendorf, the congressional budget office is nonpartisan. they are, in effect, the
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referees here in washington. and so when he draws conclusions about the impact of something over the next decade or so in terms of our budget, it makes headlines. and so when he said late last week on the house side of the capitol that the heavily incentivized or heavily subsidized health care provides a disincentive for people to work because as you take those subsidies away, why would people work harder? well, that got a lot of attention. so you can expect a lot of republicans will go after that with him, try to dig deeper on that very subject. bill: okay, mike, thanks. mike emanuel, headlines from the hill. here's martha. >> reporter: thank you, sir. martha: well, the southeast getting socked today. the snow is starting to fall in atlanta once again, the governor of north carolina has declared a state of emergency. we are live with what you can expect where you are. bill: also the federal government turning its weapons on its own citizens. not guns or drones here, but the allegation is about the irs. >> this government attacked me because of my political beliefs,
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martha: a dire warning for georgia right now. there's a huge winter storm that is taking aim at the south. states already getting walloped in early stages by snow, it's ice that they are really worried about that comes later. schools are already canceled. atlanta's streets are pretty much empty, they learned their lesson last time around. a lot of folks are not going to
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work today. there's a heavy buildup on some of the major highways, traffic reduced to a single lane, and forecasters say widespread outages are possible as the ice builds up on the trees and power lines. georgia governor, nathan deal, appeared earlier with us on "america's newsroom" after declaring a state of emergency. >> the real danger here in georgia as in many parts of the south is not snow, it is snow that turns to ice or in this case, predictions of sleet and freezing rain. we already know we have two waves, the first wave is not as severe as the second one. we are in the process of receiving the first wave now. tomorrow will actually with be a worse day for us than today. martha: so in north carolina, governor pat mccrory has also issued a state of emergency, and maria molina is watching it all for us. >> hi, martha. he sounds very well informed. we're talking about a huge concern in terms of ice accumulation across the states
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of north carolina, south carolina and also in georgia. many of these areas do have the potential to see over or a quarter of an inch of ice. you can see all that shading in pink. but there are some areas in here embedded that could actually see a over a half an inch of ice, and that's really why that major concern is there in place in terms of power outages and tree limbs that could actually come down. snow is another big concern, especially along some of the higher elevations of the pap lay chans -- appalachians. you're looking at accumulations that could reach 6 inches to even a foot of snow. this is an area that doesn't tend to see a lot of ice or snow, lighter snow totals forecast across central parts of the carolinas and also apart georgia, so this is going to be a very dangerous mix across many states. you heard him mention something about two waves of precipitation, and we actually have the first one across georgia and also the carolinas. but this isn't the major one. the next one is actually going
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to be much more impactful out here, and in this area of low pressure's going to be producing a lot of icing across georgia and also the carolinas, then the storm tracks northward, and we could be looking at big impacts across the mid atlantic where we do currently have winter storm watches and also across the northeast. martha, a lot of questions in terms of the snow accumulation here, but interior parts of the northeast could see up to a foot of snow. we'll keep you posted. martha: please do. [laughter] thanks, maria. >> bye. ♪ ♪ >> it certainly gives one pause to think that there is interagency collusion against private citizens. it is the weaponization of government. bill: powerful words there from the founder of one conservative group that claims it was the target of the federal government. now we have at least two top democrats calling for an investigation of the investigator, his name is jay russell george.
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these two democrats, george was the irs inspector behind a scathing report issued back in may accusing the irs of targeting tea party groups. katherine engelbreak is founder of one group, true the vote, you just heard from her, and good morning to you in houston p, texas. >> good morning, bill. bill: first of all, the weaponization of government, what did you mean by that characterization? >> i think that we are seeing the power of the federal government targeted at citizens that threaten this administration, and i think that that power's being used to try and chill political speech. certainly, that's what's happened in my case. bill: all right. now is the irs still doing this? is that what you believe? >> well, i think that to the extent that we still tonight have answers, then, yeah, the crime continues to be perpetrated. the thought that we have not -- i've not been asked a single question about what happened. there's tremendous need for
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transparency in process, and i think that's part of the solution that i hope we're now finding our way toward. bill: so the democrats i just mentioned, connolly, democrat from virginia, and another lawmaker by the maim of matthew -- name of matthew cartwright, they called the report by george fundamentally flawed performance audit, incomplete and outright misleading. what did you think of his report? are they right? >> well, i think that his report was, was just the beginning, and i think that everything since then has supported those p findings. i mean, lois lerner herself has said that she targeted organizations. it is what it is. now i think that the reason you're seeing an investigation against the inspector general is because it's a political move to try and shift the narrative. we need to keep our eyes on what's really happened and get to the bottom of it and talk to the groups that have been victimized by this. bill: now, in your own case, i mean, you formed your group,
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what, 2010? >> right. bill bill and according to your report, you say since that time you had 15 visits from federal agencyies and the irs and many others? what happened then? >> well, i mean, it started, it seemed to start anyway with the filing of my nonprofit application in 2010, and from that point forward we had a parade of the alphabet soup come to visit me from the fbi to bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms, osha, the irs more than 15 times when you talked about all the investigations that went on in between. there's really very little to explain away the fact that prior to filing that nonprofit application i'd never had any government agency be interested in me or my family or since that time. bill: what were they asking you? what did they want to know when they came to visit? >> well, it depends on the agency. they all, you know, each of the
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agencies has authority to come in and talk. if a business owner, osha can come in, bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms can come in, and we complied with every audit, we answered every question. it's just that the timing of all of it when in the previous 16-plus years we've never had anything, and then the series of events that followed that filing of the nonprofit application, it just, it's a little circumspect. bill: i think you were given nonprofit status in september of last year, right? 2013. >> well, we were given it as a, in my opinion, as a semi-settlement to a lawsuit. i mean, we sued the irs for our c3 status. typical status is given in, you know, a matter of months. we waited over three years, three years and almost six months. and finally it came as a result of a lawsuit, a lawsuit that still is pending, by way. but that one point they finally
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did acquiesce on. bill: catherine, what do you think of all this now? you're still involved in it. i mean, your testimony on the hill last week is proof of that. what do you make of that? >> oh, i think it's far from over, and i think that the sooner we as citizens can come to grips with the reality that we are in the midst of a very dangerous time in the life of our country and that it now seems to fall to citizens to find their voice and stand up for what we know to be the tenet sst of this republic, we have to be able to count on a transparent process, and we're far from that. bill: from true the vote, houston, texas. we'll see whether or not it's over or, as you say, still going on. appreciate your time today from houston. >> thanks. martha: very interesting. all right, well, there is a massive sinkholes that is swallowing up homes, businesses and roadways.
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where that's going on. bill: also the mayor of new york calling for the end of income inequality. how you doing to do that, america? is he fanning the flames in the class warfare debate? >> our middle class isn't just squeezed, it's at risk of disappearing altogether. that disparity, that inequality crisis is the greatest risk to our new york promise.
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♪ ♪ bill: it's like 5:30 in sochi, so spoiler alert now. if you don't want to know what's happening in the games, turn down the volume, okay? veteran olympic skier julia mancuso took the bronze in the super combine, she finished half a second behind the gold medal winner from germany to win her fourth medal at an olympic games. the weather in sochi has taken a
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toll on the athletes. it is too warm, frankly. temperatures in the 60s causing serious problems for skiers because the snow gets slushy. officials have, they have snow stored in special silos. say that four times fast, martha. so far -- martha: i'll let you do that one. bill: no plans to bring that snow -- [inaudible conversations] martha: all right. well, new york city mayor bill de blasio doubling down on his push for ending income inequality, issuing a call of arms to liberals during a speech yesterday, and here's what the mayor said. >> the truth is the state of our city as we find it today is a tale of two cities with an inequality gap that fundamentally threatens our or future a. our future. it must not and it will not be ignored by your city government. martha: an author and fox news
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contributor and jehmu greene, the former president of the women's media center and a fox news contributor as well, welcome, ladies, both of you to the show this morning. let's take a listen to president obama, because there's a very similar theme here among progressives. let's listen to that. >> the combined trends of increased inequality and decreasing mobility pose a pulse threat to american dream, our way of life and what we stand for around the global. globe. martha: jehmu, let me start with you. this is emerging not only here in new york, but nationally as a theme that we're probably going to hear a lot about as we head into the mud term elections. >> and we'll hear about it from keys which is something i think we all should welcome. the left should welcome the fact that eric cantor is talking about income inequality. but i think we also need to look at the center of mayor debrass owe's argument in his state of the city is an assertion for local control. that is something that
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conservatives should welcome. he is saying this is our city, and we want to govern it the way we want to. i want to be able to raise the minimum wage because it has not kept up with inflation, i want to be able to make this a magnet for immigrants to come to this city because immigrants are an engine of the economy and will help the new york economy grow, and he wants to make sure that the fact that in the last administration as much as i loved bloomberg, we've seen a 73% increase in the homeless population. we have to get affordable housing here. >> the problem is, though, that he wants to take from one person and give to another. this is all redistribution of wealth once again. he's talking about this utopia, requiring developers to build affordable houses and offering every child full pre-k. that sounds great, but that's a utopia. somebody has to pay for that. this money doesn't grow on trees, and his solution, unlike andrew cuomo's, is to take from one person and give to another. martha: is that right, jeff me?
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-- jehmu? >> if utopia is going to exist anywhere, it should exist in new york city. >> it's not realistic. martha: there's two ways to get at income inequality, one is to spread it out. of we heard the president talking about that since joe the plumber, right if if you've done well, you deserve to spread it out, the other way is to try to improve the economy from the ground up so that everybody starts to do better. those are the two philosophies. do you think it's right for people to have more of hair money taken away and -- their money taken away and given to other people? >> well, martha, we have to look at the fact that worker productivity -- martha: are you going to answer my question? do you think it's right, though, jehmu? are you okay with that? that's the question. >> have not districted the wealth and the productivity of the companies that are being, you know, built and driven by workers -- martha: so you are okay with it. >> the redistribution hasn't happened in the way that it should -- martha: so you have to wrench it around and make it happen -- >> we have to reinstitute the ladders of opportunity that make this country great, and those
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have been stripped away. martha: all right. [inaudible conversations] hasn't worked out very well. i do want to get this one other point in about the id cards, because mayor de blasio wants to issue id cards for people who are here illegally because he says it will help them to enjoy things like costco and also bank accounts and library cards if they have an id. doesn't that fly in the face of the argument about voter id cards? i mean, if you -- if they want them to have an id card for costco, i would imagine it would be okay to cruise that for voting as -- use that for voting as well. >> are for voting they don't uphold that, it's ridiculous. what kind of message are you saying? he's not going to come out and talk about border security or and issues like that. that's not going to happen. i have to comment on the income inequality thing. these people in new york city who are making $500,000 or more a year would be paying 53% of their income, that marginal tax
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rate. how much more do you want those people to give? that's more than half of their income that is being redistributed back to government. talk about disincentivizing work, talk about disincentivizing -- >> when our country, when our economy was at its strongest, some tax rates were at 90%. >> look at the states. look at texas. >> we have to -- i do want to touch on -- martha: go ahead, jehmu. >> -- immigration and why the fact that voter id is not tied -- you don't have a constitutional right to shop at costco. from a voter id standpoint, putting any type of barrier in between a u.s. citizen -- martha: yeah, but be you have got -- [inaudible] what's the big deal about asking you to bring it in when you vote? why would that be a big deal? >> you need id to buy cigarettes -- >> it is a barrier. [inaudible conversations] martha: he's admitting that id is a -- [inaudible conversations] >> to shop at costco, and when we place a warier in that, that
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is badr for democracy. our voter participation rates are down. but this id card that will help these undocumented immigrants contribute to the new york economy, that is a good thing. >> you can't say an id, you can't say an id ease necessary for costco but not for exercising your -- [inaudible conversations] martha: jehmu and jedediah, thank you very much for being here. bill: martha, 11 minutes before the hour. here is jenna lee standing by, what you cooking up on "happening now"? jenna: another sticky situation for the white house today as the president's signature health care haw is delayed once again. the fallout and what it means for the future of obamacare. plus, the prosecution rests in the amanda hayes murder trial. now comes the first full day of defense witnesses. how will her lawyers counter some very damaging testimony? and a breakthrough discovery, why doctors now say the physical brain can tell us a lot about a person's intellect. it's all "happening now." bill: what was that again, that
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appropriately-named sinkhole saloon and grill, we hear now from its owner. >> to have done something to it, and just the fact that when water freezes, it expands and contract, that'll make everything move a little. martha: wow. nobody was hurt, thankfully, in that latest collapse. engineers are working on the best plan to fix it. ♪ ♪ bill: christians under attack, the focus of a hearing underway right now. this as we see an escalationing in vicious and often deadly assaults on christians in places like egypt and other places. shannon bream is on that live in washington. how bad or widespread is this now, shannon? >> reporter: well, bill, citing a pew research study, chris smith says there are documented cases of persecution of christians in more than 100 countries in just the last year. he says of course there's been a big emphasis, he thinks there should be, on what's happening in the middle east, but he's also highlighting other
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troublesome spots including china. here's what he says about that country. >> independent protestants and catholics continue to face persecution for refusing to affiliate with government-approved religious groups, protestant groups that refuse to join religious organization are deemed illegal and experience harassment, fines, detention and imprisonment and torture. >> reporter: and smith went on to tell a story about visiting china just a few weeks ago meeting various house church pastors. after they left are, many of them were arrested, harassed and punished. now several of the lawmakers are saying the u.s. has leverage when it comes to trade can and foreign aid and they need to be using it to impact countries where any persecutions are occurring. bill: what is the administration doing about that? >> reporter: well, president obama noted two key cases during his remarks last week. two americans being persecuted and held in other countries because of their faith, kenneth bae and said abedini, he also
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said anyone who would harm someone in the name of their faith is diminishing their own relationship with god, is what he said. he says they'll continue to work about making sure there is religious freedom around the world. he has been taking heat for not doing more to fill a key position, the ambassador at large for international religious freedom. took a couple of years to get someone into that position and it is again vacant. bill: shannon, thank you, on that story for us today in washington. martha: some amazing video today of u.s. special forces capturing an al-qaeda suspect in libya. this is an incredible thing to watch. the whole thing goes down in a matter of seconds.
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