done grat layingses. it was a great movie. i loved every minute of it. >> that is all of the time we have left. thank you for being with us. see you back here real soon. >> i go to the unirs >> i go to george mason university. >> virginia tech. >> i have city of south dakota. >> tonight a special edition of "stossel from the nation's capital. 1500 college students from all over the world gathered here to debate what makes for a free society? these are our future leaders i am glad they are learning about the most important thing, liberty. tonight what you ought to know about economic freedom, free speech, personal responsibility, drugs, privacy and america's

constitution. that's our show. >> thank you. your due accidents are unusual. they are unusual because you have this special interest in liberty. most people don't which makes me wonder how many of you ever discuss liberty on your campuses? how many of your professors discuss it? >> how many discuss social justice? i am not surprised given the government for campuses. most probably don't know much about economics.

our first professors tonight. you are here to tell students what they should learn about he can nomices. >> first thing they should learn are intentions are not results. you get policies by results not by state of intention. second they are no more enlightened than the private sector. >> they are doing the public good. they are different: >> some other ideas higher taxes can encourage work. karl smith who teaches economics at the university of north carolina says taxes make me pourer when people are pourer they need to work for the things they want. therefore taxes should make me work harder. >> when you tax something you get less of it. investments and business this is why countries are high taxes

like the united states you see slow growth and slow job creation. >> you believe econ professors use this? >> we had a credit crisis now we have to regulate the banks. you have said this is the cure with dodd frank. >> he was passed with the financial crisis to protect consumers what we are seeing in practice is consumers are having less access to credit bank fees are at record highs over 3 million people shut out of the banking system. this is a law of unintended consequences. we should buy america. >> when they buy cars we get goods at lower prices. if you want poor people to have access to the lowest priced goods. when americans buy from foreigners that money comes back to america as either demand for

american exports or investment in america. it is normally not seen by those who don't know economics it is real and it helps america. >> isn't it more patriotic if i buy american tough? -- stuff? >> no, that means you are not employing resources as they should be employed. >> income inequality, the theme of the day. it is grossed some people have so much more than others. >> shouldn't government try to even it out? >> government already does to a large percent. top 20 percent of earners pay 20 percent of taxes. we have a huge social safety net. what's important is not income and equality we have people in a broken welfare state and education situation.

>> 70 percent of your age say the mine mimum wage should be increased. how nanny of you think it should be raised? >> if you raise the minimum wage you are raising the cost to employers. when you raise the cost you get less of it. it is as simple as that. >> i want to hear from you students. what questions do you have for abby and don? >> my name is lauren clark from arizona state university. i currently study journalism. it is my dream to take over your show one day. >> please do. >> my question do you is i am also very interested in economics. why is it that in the university sector there are so many people staud ding economics when to me it is reasonable stuff. >> i wish i had a good answer.

i don't understand why people who don't get economics i don't understand. >> i don't think they are exposed to it. the majority of high school studentses aren't exposed to it and you can't be held billion for something you don't i know. >> i play he cam studying econo. when talking about income and equality how do you find the most effective way to relay to people that it is government responsible for displaying dir parity in if the first place. >> government? some people are smarter than others some people are born with a silver spoon. >> there is drone kneecap -- krohn kneecap tallism. what i like to point out is one of the great things about a the market whether it may increase from time to time in equality it

decreases. rich people don't consume much more than pour people today. >> it is shrinking and getting a lot closer. >> you thought a catalog along? >> the typical american worker had to work five hours now they have to work 6 hours to buy a much better vacuum cleaner. it is because of innovative capitalism. kentucky university, and i just >> what's your opinion of

monopoly. i was wondering if you believe there's a better alternative to social spending than food stamps and social security. >> we had an idea a negative income everybody would have a guaranteed level of income and wouldn't have the same digs toergss our social welfare has. the this level would be low enough people don't grow dependent on it. >> wehello. i am michael ashley student at university of delaware. what's a good outline or effective measure of creating small government that is

faithful? >> to keep government smaller it is to link federal spending as a percentage of gdp. they are held responsible if they want to increase spending above historical norms. that's a good starting place. >> the rules are like the past ones. >> itch ken williams political science student at ohio university in obamacare. there is a a distrust innce comy want to make a profit. the solution is to mandate from the insurance company. >> where the idea comes from, i don't e no. it's a dumb idea. insurance companies have incentives to provide the next

mix of coverage at competitive premiums. that is inl fearing with private choices. they would have much better policies of the mandates. >> we are out of time for questions for this segment. if you at home would like to keep the conversation going here's the twitter hash tag ifflc. i don't know how you are supposed to remember that. but stands for international students for liberty conference which is where we are. let people know what you think. coming up, what do you know about america's founding documents? i will give you and our stewed dent audience a quiz. [ female announcer ] a classic macaroni & cheese from stouffer's starts with freshly-made pasta,

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snot ♪ [cheers and applause] %-okay, college students, a quik >> okay, college students.a quik quick pop quiz. in the constitution the decoratilaration of independence it is together. how many times was the word democracy used? fewer than five times or five or more times? who says 5 or more times?

who says fewer? well you guys are educated. i didn't know this. it never mentions democracy. you people should read this. it is not very long. it is shorter than the constitution for most other countries. you want one of these from the kato institute. kato.org on the web. questi question two. the constitution was prepared in ee kret behind closed doors. who thinks it is true? >> this one is true.

you better read this thing. to learn more we turn to the author of "the conscience of the constitution. you went to a liberal college where there was some temps for this. i can see why. it is written by old white wasn't men some from slave holders. why is this so pornlt today? >> the constitution of the united states is a promise about how government power will be used. it is a probabli it is a promise left to us and decided they needed the framework to bless liberty and prosperity. >> it is not relevant today. >> the constitution's promise has been broken time and time again by our government. we are fortunate we can say this is what the framework of our government was designed to do. >> the preamble says secure the

blessings of liberty. >> that is the most important part. >> the conts tugs says as liberty is a blessing d does not say anything about the constitution in general. >> but it also says insurance domestic tranquillity. that could be de seen see codes promote the general we are fair obamacare take care of people. >> only in the framework of delivering which the declaration says we are all born entitled to. if you look at article 1 section 1 the first sentence says all legislative powers are here in granted. a lot of people think congress has all legislative to ye power

not what it says. all of the powers listed in the constitution are give into cot gren. if this is not congress doesn't have the power to do that. >> but they do it all of the time. >> elective father shiofficials along with the government over reaching. in obamacare what happened was the supreme court the government can't force people to buy things. can you image if it had come around tother way. >> we are still going to uphold obamacare as roberts to protect them that the physical.

the constitution is a limit,>> there there some you are happy with? >> yes, there are. first one it was in fact when i fell no love with the constitution i was in 9th grade and i learned about the court's decision hagar verses des moines back arm bans protesting the vietnam store. the wom the. county law library to photo copy the decision, the days before the internet, and i felt in that decision, i felt the constitution -- john: you were an odd kid. >> i was a nerd. can you imagine? [laughter] i felt, when reading that discussion, i felt the constitution reach out and touch me and protect me and say my

rights couldn't be taken away by people telling me what to do. [applause] john: you also mention lawrence versus texas. >> a supreme court case from a ten years ago now, i think, in which the supreme court said the government does not have the right to tell us who we can sleep with. there was a texas law that made it illegal for two adults of the same sex to go to bed together in the privacy of their own homes, and the supreme court rightly said that's obscene in a free country, and that is why i love the constitution because there are moments like that when really helpless minorities and individuals who can't expect the legislative process to respect their rights, nevertheless have a shield in the form of the supreme court saying, no, this line is something that congress and the states cannot pass. [applause] john: questions for tim? >> hi, i recently graduated from

a university in jersey. my question is if the constitution is the rules for the government and government administers and enforces it's own rules how do we prevent them from breaking their own rules? >> that's a very good question. it is won the founding fathers thought a lot about. in creating a government to protect people you have to create one that will protect them themselves. the congress will do all of these terrible things. have we no virtue among us? is we have none we are in a retched condition. no system of parchment barriers would let them. the constitution's promise have the meaning when we honor that promise. the government has fallen away and ignored that promise son many occasions. it is there for us to enforce as we go forward.

>> i studied communications at indiana university un. my question for you is, what do you think is the best method to reverse the policy? >> i think the best method is to elect new officials. enforce the constitution, that means sue, sue, sue. i mean that seoort of selfish. my pro fission fegs, i sue the government i do it for free. i don't charge my clients and you go to court and make your argument. the constitution says this it is up to you court of appeals or you to follow what is written

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all kinds of stuff. >> they are saying all kinds of stuff. unfortunately our campuses across the country are taking a big risk by saying those things. they are demanding things on the campus be censored because they might make them offended or uncomfortable. >> 59 percent of higher education institutions have policies that inspring on our first amendment rights. >> it was 35 percent. it has got pten better. >> you list the worst colleges for free speech harvard university of alabama. why did they go to? >> this is a ridiculous case. we had a student writing for the school paper. hockey coaches are saying how do you find the relationship with the hockey coach to be?

not everything you say has to be complimentary. one of the coaches forwarded that back to the administration and they got the student in trouble for calling it threats call that something that you are not allowed to say on the campus. not everything has to be positive. >> why is harvard number two? >> they decided to read the e-mails of 16 of the resident deans. they were trying to figure out who was leaking information about a cheating scandal at harvard. >> at brown university commissioner ray kelly was not allowed to speak. >> if you make the comments in the question and answer part of the program. >> we are asking you to stopping frisking people. >> he left and ga-- gave up and left the auditorium. this is a liberal arts

institution it is supposed to hear all sides. >> we trained students 2 through 12 and into college to believe certain views are so abhorrent they shouldn't be able to be spoken. ray kelly had to deal with the risk policies. he gave a speech to what he knew would be hostile environment. these organized hecklers for 27 minutes disrupted the speech. after that he gave up and left. >> then at the opposite of the environment we were supposed to have. they had a chance to try to convince ray kelly he was wrong. they skwaun sdered that by enga-- squandered that. >> it is supposed to evoke a

sense of empathy for the sleepwalker. they see it as a threatening image. >> the girl's school. >> they say it might trigger memories of sexual assault of people who see it. it is a man who isn't fully dressed. others reject it because the whiteness and maleness are imp significance. some people called it discomforting. >> i am going to play the role of the university we want people to learn and be comfortable. if it is an ugly person i say you are a big fat ugly lawyer how will people learn? >> severalty sieve vility is important but not as important as freedom. we don't have any liberal arts

college we are teaching them to feel uncomfortable they can't walk around the campus and go to class and learn something has gone terribly wrong for the level of tolerance in the different views. they are going to see white men in their underwear sometime in their life. you can't let it throw off your entire lifestyle. >> coming up we will talk drugs and privacy. are you students getting ripped off by your college? many of you are. that's next. [applause] ♪ ♪ so you can have a getaway from what you know. so you can be surprised by what you n't. get o times the points on travel and dining

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when you stew denlt graduate you want to earn some money dand ge a job. will you? maybe your college is wasting your time and your money. you can't count on your college you need to take responsibility. foster is co host of "the independence. you started in college. >> i started a small telecommunications consulting firm. i spent about ten years doing that. i did not at the time drop out of school. i went about 1, two classes at a time. i would go on from there and start two other small companies one a new media term that does film production and another a retail manufacturing company that makes camera accessories. it is one of those things i think is increasingly true that your college degree is no, sir net illy preparing you for the type of world we encounter.

we have a significant unemployment problem right now. a great deal ch that has to do with the policies we are pursuing as a county. there are people getting liberal arts degrees and don't have the skills necessary to compete in the job market. they were not entrepreneurial enough. it is the sort of thing people aren't being taught at the university. >> being an int paren newer it makes people to understand the limited government. >> i don't know why you became libertaria libertarians. a lot of people say i had no idea this is what business people have to go through. >> that is one of the things that keeps me optimistic about the future. people have a warm feeling and more and more people feel they can be entrepreneurs. there is a free agent cull toour. there is something wonderful that happens when more people

have to make payroll and more find themselves dealing with government pure rock see in the most regular way. whether it is having to payroll and different tax agencies for a nam number. it is wasting 33 percent of your time in a fairly small company with ten employees to comply with various burdensome regulations. >> we need more people to start businesses to wake up? >> absolutely. >> colleges are teaching people you list some of the fun courses. princeton has a source in getting dressed? >> no one at princeton could master that on their even. >> university of california san diego god, sex, cohak lat desir

and the spiritual path. >> delicious. >> ufniversity of texas invente languages cling on and beyond. >> when we think about college, what is it both paying, 20, 30, 40, 50 a year for an extra four as an excellent. it is a good idea to take out loans in order to do it. >> coming up, what school won't teach you about personal freedom like, should i be allowed to open the cabling and do this? [cheers and applause] [ female announcer ] a classic macaroni & cheese from stouffer's

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nsa spying on us and illegal drugs. how many of you have never used an illegal drug? including alcohol when you were not yet 21. some of you. all right. clearly a minority. the editor of my favorite magazine says once you are an adult all substances should be legal. she is katherine of reason magazine. >> all drugs every single one, crack, meth? >> i think legal drugs are safer drugs. that is probably the best place to start with. e cigarettes which you so cooley smoked earlier. >> i tried. >> this is a safer product from a regul than a regular cigarette. people figured out how to sell

drugs in a safer form. i would rather see it all out in the light of day. >> this is really a substitute nicotine delivery bad smell just vapor. >> it exposes this weird puritan cal element on the war on drugs. oh you like that chemical in there it makes you feel good, we don't want you to have it. >> it sends the message that smoking cigarettes is okay. itemedally we find ourselves in the world where the message is using drugs choosing what you want to put into your own body is your own business. we should hopefully let companies provide safer and more rely ablg alternatives. >> this is not what most of the time we are talking about when we talk about illegal drugs. we are talking about the nastier ones like meth that really hurt

people lots of people well meaning authoritarians say they can make it illegal. >> that works out so well so far. >> they argue there would be more of them. >> i am sympathetic. cocaine and vending machines is it the american way? is i get this is an alarming concept. if you look at the huge damage the war on drugs is a done the disproportionate damage to black communities students lives ruined. the costst a are huge. it's not working. heroin is cheaper now than it was years ago. >> nsa spying. i upset libertarians i wasn't that upset. i figured my enemies already had information on me. my neighbor was stealing the information google facebook had the information. i posted a list of 100 things

that government does that upsets me more. trillion dollar debt, schools of choice. i don't think it is worse than nsa spying or is potentially dangerous i can understand the reasons for them wanting to do it. people want to kill us. >> that's true up to a point. what we are seeing as more and more information is coming out we are seeing not a lot of evidence it works. this is the old thought if you sacrifice liberty for security you get neither. that's where we are right now. >> i love it when google takes my data. if i could give my brain to google i would. but that gives me something i want it give the me adds for products i want to buy.

>> it gives you personal safety. >> it gives me services. i am giving you personal safety or i might put you in jail. this was kind of the back slap. google can't put me in jail. >> who agree with her? who agrees with me? >> i do political fiphilosophy the university of arizona. i am diagnosed with bipolar disorder. i have a whole host of medicines and side effects. for my concern i don't think it's anybody's business how a drug interacts with my body. i don't think it's beneficial to bring that to the light so people understand what drugs do for whom and how they interact with what. it is my business not anybody

else's. it is counter individual lis tick to propose i want the legalized drugs when it is none of their business in the first place. that's my question to you. how do you think that is co hose he'sive with individualism. more information is good for individuals to make their own choices. >> my name is ryan vasasha. i am in high school. how do we deal with the liberal bias in high school? i have dealt with it quite recently learning about franklin delano roosevelt. it praises him like he is some sort of god.

he is not. he ruined everything. rl how do we deal with that? how do we communicate liberty and real freedom in all of that into high school stuff? >> the firs part of the answer or the second if you have gone to an on-line high school you have already found how to opt out of the system. congratulations. >> i am elizabeth frances a seen year at san sakansas state univ. what are things people at home can take to work toward changing public policy? >> there is a great campaign that asks people who have smoiked weed to be successful about it. that's a great place to start. i have a job at a bank. smoiked weed. i have a kid, i smoke weed. >> coming up, most of these

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why don't owe people get it. how can we convince them. kathy and julie say they know how. julie has a youtube channel called token libertarian girl. kathy has entered a blog called sex and the state which is a cool title. >> all right. so kathy, you say to open other people's minds libertarians should check their privilege. what does that mean? >> unfortunately libertarianism is overwhelmingly dominated by meddle aged educated white men. >> the over class. >> and so i want to figure out how can we make libertarianism it is not afeeling to other people. that demographic is decreasing as a percentage of the population. there are certain things that you can't know on the basis of who you are. in order for you to understand it is like i have to check my female privilege and listen to

their experiences. >> you are talking about making birth control available over the counter. >> absolutely. >> blacks ending the drug war allowing school choice hispanics e verify which would fire them to get permission from the government data base to hire them. >> i used to be prohibitionist. because it really had never occurred to me drugs were using drug laws and hearing people off to prison and disproportionately julie, you don't buy it. the for me the layer teariatear. what i have noticed with the privileged crowd is it is very device i. it's jealousy.

>> let this woj fresh. usu >> personally i do not like the term check your privilege. you could comment and a lot of people say check your privilege. i have never seen spun. you make a good moinlt maybe someone made a predetermined position about that concern. the i think it's down right move. it is not nice to di vied people into categories. we are all individuals. >> the reality is racism, sexism, homophobia exists. without acknowledging the real inhibit tors.

i advocate for them effectively>> i have to tell you as i look around the woir i see dispo purges gnat i would say this is a turnoff for a while to people. >> there are aa lot of white people here libertarianism has a bit to do with nerdy. i am a nerd myself so i can sap that. >> all of this is food for thought. whose argh ument is bett-- argu is better. who sides with julie and says we should not for chef. whose said we should. fewer hands but more noise. i think you both made good points. thanks to all of you for

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