up next the o'reilly factor. go to gretawire.com as you watch the o'reilly factor. good night from washington. tonight on "red eye." coming up on "red eye" did chuck norris bring down the metrodome with his thoughts? we go inside what some are calling the most impressive demolition ever. and what did he admit he can't find on a map? >> poland along with turkey and romania and germany and spain. >> and are tomatoes dividing our country's guinea pigs? why some can't get enough while others refuse to acknowledge they exist. none of these stories on "red eye" tonight. >> oh my goodness. now let's welcome our guests. she is as sharp as a tack which is is also a hemopheliac. he was a u.n special envoy to

bots won gnaw involving a goat, graham cracker and twine ruined his career. you wrote that? >> i d. >> oh, okay. comedian joe devito. he knows movies like i know juvies. sitting next to me, film and music critic and the editor of city arts. >> a block. the lede. that's the first story. >> hey, greg, our patron [inaudible]. >> you don't have to laugh. he had all day to think of that. i just used this on the go and he planned everything. screw him. all right, he will be more aloof and he hates la buff. it is day 356 of -- well

baldwin is putting up a wall-dwin. in a long essay in a new york magazine, the actor slash sad person announced he is withdrawing from public life and rented a paparazzi huffington post and fox news. mostly he complained about being called a homophobe by others in the gay department of justice or gdoj. he said he was wrongfully accused of using a gay slur. he lamented anything you do is tossed in a a pit and you are measured by who you are on your worst day. the policy went over as well as this one.

>> oh my goodness. we we couldn't show you the rest because it got very bloody. baldwin, does he have a point that he is the victim here? he seems to blame every sing impel person on the planet. >> he was on a good roll with that one. i think if he wants tip on retiring from public life his brothers could give him advice on how to disappear from the media eye. it is a very interesting article. at some points he almost gets it. he is saying like how i am not a homophobic concern and i want to have an out reach and the young trani says to me -- >> that was the best part. >> i thought that was interesting how he is talking about the way people are judged by this group of people

that he chose to associate with and how they don't let you have one misunderstanding and this and that. are you just noticing about this group of people now because that's their stock and trade. it is unfortunate, but he should be glad he doesn't have a show on nbc anymore. >> that's the thing that i got out of this was the sense of betray will yeah. it is the left that did him in and not the right. he went after andrew bright bart, but it wasn't them who was after him. it was all of the people that he hangs with. >> sure. there is so much irony in this story. he should be a vitamin pill. first i couldn't get past the fact that it is touted as an essay and credited as told to. and then following up what you said, what good have you

done! this appears in a gossip column. >> it rambled on and on and on. there were parts where he admitted he has problems. he was lonely. do you think there are outside forces that have caused him to be like this. >> it is you who is making these comments and he has had to live them down. he has had a a lot of bad days. we like to keep looking at them and he keeps bringing them up himself. we can't move on because he won't let us. he said before i go away let me burn every bridge and bite every hand that fed me so if i do want to come back, they won't let me. >> especially with shiya. this is the funny part. he bashes the media.

he bashes the politically correct. he sounds like a conservative sort of. >> yeah, but he throws in fox news and bright bart. i think he realized what he was doing. oh i have to throw in people on the right. i have a little sympathy when he talks about the pop paparazzi and everybody has a camera phone and people are more likely to get in your face when you are a public figure. that's as far as it goes with him. on the trani thing, yeah, first of all this was as told to someone and you assume it was edited. why couldn't someone say this is a word now considered offensive and maybe we should change it. i feel it is his fault for saying it, but they sort of let him hang on that one. i think his problem is he has old person syndrome. he uses words that he honestly thinks aren't slurs because we used to not think of them as slurs. he said trani because people

used to say tranni. elderly people used the word colored. they didn't mean anything by it, but when they were young black people in america were called colored and it was imprinted on their brain and they kept doing it. i think that's part of his problem. he has not adapted to the times. >> is it really up to us to keep up with these changes, andy? it is really confusing. what are you going to tell me to stop saying next? >> the problem is he considers himself the smartest person in the room wherever he goes. you look at him and say well you are kind of not. i believe he has done with public life as much as shy yaw law buff has done with public life. he can't help himself. >> he is the media's pet, and the fact that he appears on the vulture page making an embarrassment of himself is poignant. but also it might be an act.

bush was one of those people who said he is leaving america. he is not leaving new york. >> and he claimed he would leave twitter and he was back on twitter. >> there may be a question about him writing this. what is the point? is it to gain sympathy? it was a glorified blog post. you go on a rant and you try to to -- you tbet the jabs in. you get the jabs in. he didn't accomplish his audience. >> i guess this was it. he was letting it all out. and then you say that's it and he will be back next week. >> it is interesting because you don't see such a level of self-ababsorption and lack of self-awareness happening simultaneously. he is talking about all of these things. and then he said yeah, i have had these run ins with the paparazzi. as i was running down -- whoa, okay.

angrily chasing after them. that's your contribution. they know they can poke him. >> he is also not fully truthful. he did not say the other f-word, but doesn't know what he said. after remember he tweeted the uh could acoustic analysis said he said fat head. that was your story then and we don't know what i said? that's his story. >> and you know what he said? he said the reason it didn't work is the trani that recorded it, it didn't work out right. must we say yea when an athlete is gay? they signed jason collins to attend a contract and something that would have been noticed making him the first such player in the four major sports leagues. now the question becomes, is it okay to not care? writing in the "wall street

journal" he says, no. he writes, quote, i know the people who chirp like to position who cares as an ultra detached free thinking. but saying who cares about something like jason collins signing with an nba team sounds like a socially accepted way of diminishing the news. it sounds like being a crank. let's look at the highlights from last night's game. >> he spins and he drives and he shoots and he scores! >> that's horrible. where is peta? >> we are a culture that uses chickens as basketball ?i. >> it is not okay. >> it is not okay for me either. is the writer correct? we are okay with it. we are okay with it. but that's not enough. you cannot just be okay with it. you now have to care. if you don't care -- i am a crank by the way.

i know i am a crank. but am i wrong not to care? >> no, you are not wrong. i thought that article was a piece of grandstanding and this guy was competing with jason collins. i thought here the media is manipulating my feelings. i don't need to be manipulated. i respect jason collins as a person. too bad he wasn't a better player. god bless him. >> he isn't a very good player, but what do i know about basketball? joe, there are a lot of people invested in his story being a big deal. are you a gay hater if you are not one of them? >> the kid with the chicken had more playing minutes than he did. in a way i think it is good the first openly gay athlete in a major sport is kind of a scrub. if he was a superstar -- we need to embrace the mediocrity of gay people. it doesn't always have to be a big deal.

>> true. >> i think that's why some people who are homophobic, it is a jealousy. the media does a disservice as portraying them as witty and fabulous people. come to new york and experience the new york experience. when you see fat, slobby gay guys and also it is interesting how this is the nba and it is a big deal. the wnba it is like a lesbian witness protection program. it is like no one cares. they are in the wnba. >> it is the opposite. it is like a huge deal. >> i want to retire from the scrutiny here. maybe alec baldwin will join the wnba. >> joanne, what do you make of this whole thing? must we all say hooray even if

we are fine with it? >> it is this hoopla that gets in the way of people's talents. i understand if you want to use your profession as a platform for tolerance and understanding, but after the press release, done. move on. you are really doing a disservice to yourself and you are focusing on the sexual orientation more than the talent of the individual. >> i can't stand basketball and i can't stand identity politics. >> you hate gays. >> no, i just hate you. i hate you. no, i hate you, andy. how does that make you feel? basketball is tall people and tall people scare me. you are defined by who you are and not what you do bugs me. tell me why i am wrong. >> it is a big deal. some day it won't be. right now it is. it is a first. firsts are a big deal. particularly when that first is something that not too long ago would have been unthinkable. whether it is a black president, a gay ceo, gay

athlete. you can say what you want. it doesn't make you a homo fob or a bigot. >> i'm not sure what is the first? >> and first ad campaign for a gay player. >> is he the first gay player? >> no, the first openly gay player. >> i wouldn't say it is a big deal, but it is okay if it is a deal. i don't think we are at the point where there are people where their sexual orientation is a problem with some people. eventually we will get to the point where it will be who cares and why is somebody bringing that up? some day maybe we will judge people based on the value of their performance and their character and so forth. they are not quite there. i think this is all right. >> those basketball players

give a great performance. >> that is so true. >> should football end words that offend? the nfl is expected to institute a rule where players who use the "n"-word on the field should get a 15-yard penalty. that is 45 feet. they monster diversity in the league and they think the decision will be made next month. quote, we want this world to be policed from the equipment room to the locker room. secretary, pr people, who ever we wanted eliminated completely. no more press releases with the n-word. it has been a big problem. i got three today. anyway, for more let's go live to the nfl correspondent, baby ant eater.

>> i don't understand ant eaters. >> i don't either. find something else to eat and then you have to change your name. >> how boring are you if your name is something you eat. that's the name of your species? it is based on something you eat. >> it would be a long name if it were us. thank you for taking us op topic. i go to you first for no particular reason. should the league be policing language on the field. >> i don't know how to answer that question. when the n-word comes up i have nothing to say and it seems to be oprah's favorite topic. frankly from where i sit, that word is not going away. stop policing it. it is a waste of energy to me. >> you tbhee is funny -- well not funny, but the problem with saying the n-word is it

makes it twice as powerful to me. you have the word and then you have a word that is based on it. but maybe that is the way it is supposed to be. >> it is like it is a spell. you can't accidentally say it. >> this is somehow the cover of that and now you know now there are two. maybe there will be a word that blocks out the n, n-word. save me. you are a devout racist. >> yes. >> what do you make of this rule? >> i am happy they are not getting rid of the other racial slurs i like to use. >> exactly. >> isn't that absurd? there is no mention of them getting rid of words about -- >> say them. >> about sexual orientation or gender. if you are saying that one is so bad, what about the others? >> they are keeping the jew stuff in. i said i want all of that in there. >> tolerance doesn't stop race alone. you need to keep the momentum going. maybe this is the

first step. >> we have to do everything is what you are saying. >> we haven't gone far enough? >> no. >> just don't even talk. >> it is a sport. just throw the ball and say oops every once in awhile. >> black players use the word more than whites wouldn't you say? it could be penalizing blacks more. >> we had this whole bullying thing. there was talk about how some of the black players say it is okay for him to say the n-word. if you had a ceremony where you presented me with the plaque and saying honorary black, i am not saying the nfl in a locker room. but i never realized there was such a judgment call for white people to be like -- never. just don't do that.

madonna got in trouble for. >> you have to take 20 seconds to see what it is. >> n-word junior. she said she tried to weasel out and said it was a term of endearment. when rich old white people say the word it is a pat on the back. one of the ways we can stop white people is to say young black men didn't constantly say it. that may help. >> andy, 45 seconds. >> two things are weird when a white ref calls a penalty on a black person for calling another black person the n-word, when the person who was called the m-word doesn't -- n-word does president care. and when somebody on the washington, d.c. football team is penalized for using an offensive word. how do you do that? i don't get that. the issue may be a lot of nfl players are micked and they are worried about that. they are trying to crackdown on profanity.

>> the fcc going down on the n-word. >> we have lots more stuff so stick around. we will talk about the oscars. guys named oscar. that's what we're talking about. people dressed up like in the 70s.

they are not abreast of the years a best. according to a new poll two-thirds of americans haven't seen a single one of their nine movies nominated for best pictures. the router survey shows the most watched nominee was captain philips, but only 15% of us saw it. i never

expected it to take off the way it did. let's take a look at the final rescue scene in captain philips. ♪ >> not even thankful. i don't get it. you know what, i will go to you, joe. have you seen any of the best pictures? >> they never nominated italian movies. i did get the -- you get the promo dvd. i am bragging about my free stuff. i don't know what kind of mood i am supposed to be in. it is a little heavy. >> you have to combine the two.

>> it is a time travel movie. >> evil white scientist decides he is going to send somebody with aids back to the 1800's to infect the people and kill people. >> isn't that what louis farrakhan said. >> i forgot about that. you are like the oscars is basically your oscars. >> thanks for that. >> are they irrelevant or the opposite of irrelevant which would be disirrelevant? >> they need to be disced in someway, except "american hustle." >> i haven't seen it yet. >> the others are sanctimonious dash a dash i feel i am on the right side of history and the right side of hollywood. only hollywood people care about that. obviously the polls show americans don't give a damn. it is embarrassing frankly to

watch the oscars every year and all they care about are the fashions. >> it is fun to watch because you think something neat might happen. it never does, joanne. you never go to movies because you hate to be around ugly people. that's what you said to me. do you see motion pictures ? >> i don't, but i watch the oscars. i need to watch and prase my surprise. there is a lot of that. so many people don't watch these movies at all. but then they all participate in those -- they have to fill out which movies they think will win when they have never seen any of them. everyone is guessing and they are like, oh i won the game. i will participate in. i am very competitive. can hollywood fix this

problem? >> i don't know. i wonder if this is exception to titanic and "lord of the rings." "graph fee" made $269 million and wolf of wall street 112 and captain philips $106. that's pretty good. but even if "gravity" 269 million if you take the price of the ticket that means at most 30 million people saw it in a country of 300 million. that's 10%. even hit movies are not seen by 90% of the country. what are you going to do? unless they put movies a month before the show they should put all of the movies on demand. >> the crazy thing about the box office figures is they never show whether or not people like these movies. the clip we just showed of the cat rescue is better than the cat rescue. i didn't see that. >> what is that movie you and

i were talking about and we decided we didn't like. >> barbarian sound system? >> i can think of 10 better. and i haven't seen it. >> it is an interesting movie. it is about how they make sounds for a -- i thought of it when you said zombie flicks. it is very interesting. all right, i will shut up then. i don't think the oscars are necessary. these people get enough accolades. >> they are are fun to make fun of. >> then you say that about children, andy. >> absolutely. >> glad he agrees. coming up, the uh apocalypse. i don't have the exact time, but i'll let you know. what is up with piers morgan? not his ratings, count it.

was he undone by being anti-gun? it is time for this -- >> cnn, a network, has confirmed it is pulling the plug on piers morgan live after a three-year run. it was that long. the "new york times" reports that the show who struggled with ratings will air its

final episode in march. mor gone who replaced the mummy known as larry king says i am debating cultural issues including guns that has been polarizing, by you. and there is no doubt there are many who are tired of me banging on about it. the cnn president and morgan are discussing a new role for him at the channel including the janitor or door stop. all right. "new york times" david carl, good friend of mine insinuates it is our fault, americans we don't like people with accents telling us about our politics. >> we really don't. especially when they are british. i don't know if there is a british thing for ba-bye, but the faster they get rid of him the better. he brought nothing to this country. >> i have a feeling that a lot didn't have to do with the topics, but the way he presented them as he was always smarter than everybody

else. >> he doesn't have the resume to back it up. coming from tabloids and the reality shows in the uk and then he was at that awkward age where he wasn't young and hip with the accent and he was not fully gray haired and older and wise with the accent. so it is his background with the audience and then the country he was in, it didn't mesh. >> he was like colin firth after a car accident. >> that's perfect. >> reconstructive surgery didn't get him back to the beauty of colin fighter. he is colin f ri th after reconstructive surgery and going through a windshield. that's what it is. where am i? joe, i didn't talk to you yet. he also claims it is polarizing a stance on guns. >> there is being polarizing and there is being a [bleep] bag. the polarizing was him on one side and everyone else being -- can you imagine sitting next to him at a

wedding how unbearable he must be? they said it was a three-year run, but can you call that a run? have they ever just let a tv show trail off until it hit zero and had no -- just wedged down? is there a point -- >> they have been trying to do that with "red eye." we keep rallying, and highest ratings in the history of the show. we don't advertise. and then it gets bad again and then -- >> his show was just -- i don't know why you would watch it. people were returning books to the library. >> people were committing suicide. they said i am not turning off that show, i am turning off the media jie. it shows you what a power house larry king was. he was around so long he couldn't have an opinion. it was the thing that was. >> he was a fixture in your home. >> a mountain.

>> for three weeks he literally was a fixture in my home. i put a light bulb on his head. >> andy, should "red eye" take credit for this? >> absolutely. we don't deserve. it but we can take credit for it. >> we beat him in ratings. >> anytime we talked about him, more people were hearing about him and they watched the show. first of all he is not polarizing. nobody liked him. if you are polarizing, he has to be half and half. even on the gun thing he pissed off liberals and those who agreed with him which is not a good sign. sometimes americans defer to the british accents. in this case it, woulded against him because he was lecturing us about our constitution and without having an understanding of it. >> there is a great british accept where somebody is talking to you and it is bathing in warm milk and there is the pet few lent child accent that is like his whine

knee, i am smarter than you. i don't know if you call it a posh accent, but it drives you nuts. then you have like a northern accent which is cooler that is great. you feel like it is a regular person, but his was always talking down to you. >> it is like ricky jervae abou. even if you are an atheist it is like, shut up. >> it is not polarizing. it is obnoxious. >> i am a hipocrite though. who went to another country to do an american -- to do a british entity and then after three years was gone? that was me. "maxim uk." i was not criticizing british culture. it didn't matter. >> you chose to go there. >> you accept your failure while he won't. >> i am going to do something different. >> was mine really a failure?

>> really? i got this job. >> i think we need to pause for the very idea of ratings too low for msnbc. really think about what that means. >> you mow what it is? it has a lot to do with not having an identity. cnn lost their identity somewhere. they started moving to the left of msnbc. they should have -- i don't know. they got scared of actually having an opinion. >> i don't think they moved to the left of msnbc. they were in the mushy middle. >> but they denied they were anything. that's what it was. >> that's funny. his ratings were so low i thought it was msnbc. >> i thought you were saying they were too low for msnbc. >> they would have fit right in. >> he is the only person alec baldwin didn't burn.

>> i think he tweeted support for morgan. >> isn't that nice? >> i have to take a break. more stuff when we come back. see how we didn't get to the other story because i didn't want to do it? i have a new book. it is out march 18th and called "not cool." i am going to boston to talk about it. yes, boston, in massachusetts. march 28th though i will be at the regan library. i will be in dallas at the end of march, 27th to the 30th and april 4th to 6th in michigan, indiana, ohio, kentucky, tennessee. i don't know how i am going to do this. it makes absolutely no sense. then in april i will be in florida and alabama. just go to g gutfeld.com and see the tour schedule. order a book while you are at it. all of the money goes to me.

did they do wrong by our national song? that's the subject of tonight's "red eye" do beat, 2014, live from the" red eye debate center. >> welcome to the "red eye" debate center. i am the host of tonight's "red eye" debate. the crowd is crazy. everybody settle down. no applause until after the debate. we are here at the "red eye" debate center. in michigan. on saturday, nascar had their season opener and america's most patriotic rock band, madison rising, performed a unique version of the american anthem. stop laughing. let's watch some. ♪ for ramparts we watched ♪ were so gal lently streaming ♪ ♪ and the rockets red glare ♪ the bombs bursting in air ♪ gave proof to the night

♪ that our flag was still there ♪ >> wow. >> that was really good. >> a lot of people hated the performance, but they are just haters. that's literally what they are. the band's manager later defended it saying, quote, people were expecting a conventional presentation, but they got something completely different. had they been familiar with our version, i have no doubt that the reaction would have been the typical resounding round of applause. they weren't familiar with it. i use that excuse when the teleprompter stops moving. what is going on there, people? thanks for ruining that joke. joe, are you a rocker. were you inspired by this performance. >> that was a rough one to sit through. >> man, they looked to me like -- first of all, madison rising sounds like a porno star. there are so many things wrong

with it. i don't know anything about the band. i couldn't bring myself to look up another clip. please make it stop playing while i speak. >> that poor child. >> they look like if you were casting an early 90s tv show and said get me a rock band to play at the peach pit or something like that, that's what they would look like. it is not a song to rock. the national anthem is not about you or your interpretation. it is about the song itself. the only time it ever worked was hendrix. >> that's an anomaly, sir. >> it was, and at the time it was a very unusual thing. >> i have to defend these guys. the song isn't a great song. i believe it is -- oh my goodness. i thought they tried to do a great job. >> i am going to defend them.

>> joe, you made too much sense. let me quickly say that marvin gay version was a radical version as well, but no changes on the song are sub verse sigh. subversive. i liked it. they were board. i give them credit for putting a change on it. sthaz >> that's the limit of my defense. i like public enemy. >> but you like everything. except neck kill back. >> -- nickleback. >> you can like everything. >> r&b bands reinterpret the songs all the time. what is wrong with these young gentlemen? >> i don't think there is anything wrong with delivering a passionate performance. i think they were being

disrespectful. as a performer you need to know your audience. obviously at this nascar event where they are very patriotic and they have seen some wonderful performances of our star-spangled banner you need to be mindful of what people want. this is the most patriotic band in the world and this is the most -- in the country. the most pate tree jot particular in the audience. >> i don't criticize the band. i criticize the people that booked the band. without seeing other videos of them or knowing what they are getting themselves into. >> i think they knew and i think they -- i think the -- you know what it is, people are not used to different things. >> is that what it is? go ahead and be intolerant. i know are you a big fan of francis scott key. oh, don't mess with the original, francis scott key. he was the beatles of national anthems. >> francis scott key only

wrote the lyrics. it was written by a british composer. we have a national anthem with words written by a guy who was a critic ofal bowl -- abolitionism. it is time for a new american anthem, preferably america the beautiful by ray charles. it would be a great national anthem. as for this rendition, i am not uh -- offended, but it wasn't good. >> what about john cougar, "r-o-c-k in the us a"? >> i think it is true to think it is more of the performance, but it is a nascar event. people spending their afternoon watching cars go around -- >> careful, joe, careful, joe. think about what you said.

>> really, the controversy makes me go, huh? especially after roseanne bar? >> can we be honest there is no controversy? >> there is no controversy at all. >> there are no big protests going on. >> people are turning over cars right now on broadway. it is horrifying. lou it shirtless and beating a protestor. >> that is any day. >> you thought it was 5* narcaleptic controversy. >> do you have a video of your animal doing something? go to fox news.com/red eye and click on a video. coming up on our last story, it is strange really.

e block. last story. that's the last story. >> can rock music ruin young minds? experts have been trying to answer that for decades. we may finally have cracked the case. i present to you the evolution of young joe devito. here he is as a toddler.

adorable. and then what appears to be on his way to becoming a nice young man. >> that's right. >> until he discovered rush. see what i mean? he did get through it without too much permanent damage. now let's see them together. see what is wrong? this progression clearly illustrates that music will turn you into a weird owe. it is not permanent, or is it? here is one more from a few years later. dude. i find this interesting, joe, because it illustrates an odd transition that occurs when you are an adolescent that december covers music. why did you turn yourself into a weird owe? >> i think if people are going to beats me up i wanted it to seem like my choice. oh you are beating me up because of my long hair and freakish appearance. i should send a fruit basket and an apology to that band. >> madison rising is going like, this guy made fun of me

1234*. >> oh my hair, my beautiful hair. >> what is it about music that disrupts normalcy and makes you feel stupid? >> i think it encourages you to do whatever you feel. it doesn't matter what you think. >> did you go through a phase? >> sure. >> what was your phase? >> my afro phase. that's when i can grow hair. >> i always do an afro phrase. that wasn't on my head. that's disgusting. joanne, what band was it that did it for you? di involved -- >> i loved hansons. i grew my hair out long and i tried to sound like a little girl. it was great. also i was attracted -- it explains my attraction to metro sexual men. >> that's true jie. it set me up for life. >> but you never really dated any pop stars, have you? >> maybe.

awkward. >> andy? >> you were saying your rush was celine dion. >> no, there are pictures that don't look much different. >> three quart youer sleeve baseball shirt. >> ac/dc shirt. >> i had cheap trick. >> nobody is asking you. >> everything is great except one thing. >> that was my childhood too. i can't say anything. i saw simple simon. >> that's a great show. >> when you are a teenager growing up on long island, new jersey that's what you looked like. >> you didn't have contact lenses either. you were stuck with the giant glasses. >> and glasses were not fashionable back then. >> no, they were not. they were code for hit me in the face as hard as you can. >> it will be 2112 before you

know it. get ready. >> tv's andy levy, that does it for me. i have many pictures like that, but they are all gone because i burned them along with my family. no, just kidding. see you later.

hello, everyone. i'm dana perino along with andrea tantaros, julie, eric bolling, and greg gutfield. it's 5:00 in new york city, and this is "the five." at least julia is her real name. for the first time ever, a majority of americans do not think president obama is respected around the globe. a new gallup poll shows more than half of the country, 53%, believe world leaders do not respect president, that only 41% do, and meanwhile, today at the pentagon, proposed drastic cuts to the army, including shrinking it down to the smallest size since world war ii. >> the army must accelerate t