got to work on this. see you tonight. >> hello, everyone. kimberly guilfoyle along with bob beckel, eric bowling, dana perino and greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 in new york city, and this is "the five." what is the best way to help young struggling minorities in america? well, today president obama unveiled the details of a new initiative called my brother's keeper which he hinted about at the state of the union address. it's aimed at improving the odds of a better life for young men of color. >> government cannot play the only or even the primary role. we can help give every child access to quality pre-school and help them start learning at an early age but we can't replace

the power of a parent who is reading to that child. we can reform our criminal justice system to ensure that it's not infected with bias, but nothing keeps a young man out of trouble like a father who takes an active role in his son's life. >> bill o'reilly was at the event, and he talked a lot about challenges in african-american communities, and here's bill's take on the keeper initiative. >> it's long past time for america to join together and help the kids. put yourself in their position. millions of children are born into chaotic homes where their parents are irresponsible or absent. bringing children into the world when you can't support them is stupid and cruel. this message should be drummed into every american, should be done in school, public school, private school. should be done in the media, and it should be done by the president. many americans object to making judgments about behavior. that attitude is leading to disaster. >> okay. well, the guidelines are you

should be reading 15 minutes a day, nighttime bedtime stories to your children. greg, you had a funny comment. >> no, i'm not allowed to read to children because of the subjects i often like to enjoy, but actually this is great. i mean, he's a conservative. suddenly he's a conservative. >> how long will it last? >> the interesting they is who thomas sewel said something like this it's often mocked but when president obama says it it's great. i think it's fantastic that he's doing this. i think it's important that he does it. the important thing is you have to examine why it's gotten so bad over the past decade, and if you don't address what i would think is a major problem which is white guilt, which is in a sense preserved and accelerated destructive behaviors and created in my mind a new kind of racism, it's the racism in which you believe that a group of people cannot handle hard truths, that we are afraid to see that these behaviors need to change because we don't want to hurt feelings or be seen as racist. that's one of the root causes of

this problem, and it's good that he addresses this stuff, and i think it's a positive thing, right? i guess. >> bolling, you're nodding your head. >> i think bill o'reilly is right with the family issue. no question when the families start to fall apart things go bad. black families have a higher rate of that, but here are the numbers, all right. let's start with education. 23% of children, of all children get -- of all the children that get pre-k are black. less than half of all black children get pre-k so it starts very early, and what happens is as they get older, black children do poorer and poorer versus white and asian and even hispanic children, and it just continues to go, so education gap happens. then the unemployment gap happens because the education -- they are falling behind in education. unemployment numbers for black kids are so much higher than everyone else, and then the third one, and the most damaging thing is the household income and the net worth of black families is far below whites,

asians and hispanics, and it all starts, and i think president barack obama and bill o'reilly are right, it starts with the pre-k education. start offering pre-k to more kids, black, white, hispanics, america will be a better play. >> that's what de blasio wants to put forward in new york. found a point of agreement. dana, a good idea? have people tried to do it before? what are your thoughts? >> sure, there's beens like thi but i think this one is different because he's the first black president and people have been asking when, mr. president, are you going to be able to try to help us to help them? a president can be a very good convenor of things, so if you think of president george h.w. bush thousand points of lights, that's still going. still going. freedom corps is something george w. bush put together and the faith-based initiative which actually has not really been sustained under the obama administration. a key to a program like this,

maintaining support in the american public's mind is the measurable results that you can see over a long term. this will get a lot of attention today and then, you know, four days from now nobody will talk about this again, so it's up to the white house to continue to make the case for it because there will be funds, taxpayer dollars, spent to help facilitate the president's program and people will want to know if there are results. if there are results people are willing to pay for these types of thing. >> it's a great idea. would have liked to see it last term. it's here now. that's the positive aspect of it. when dana talks about result, is it going to be a quick enough time frame to turn it around so that this can be part of the legacy of his second term? >> you know, first of all -- >> some kind of measurable result? >> shock sitting at this table and not hearing obama get beat up in the first four people we speak and i'm delighted to hear that. >> maybe we have principles.

>> just say, if you're a principled person you can support someone no matter what their politics are. >> there goes pot roast sunday. things going so well. could smell the pot roast and now it's over. >> a similar situation happened, remember the million man march? >> sure, 1995. >> allotted of initiatives came out of that, and in places around the country where the million man march followed through, it's done quite well. it hasn't been nationwide, but in areas, colorado is one of them, and so i think -- and that was louis farrakhan, remember how that drove everyone crazy, but there were a million men there and the question about eric's numbers are exactly right. what's missing here is the heads of most of the households are women. there are no men, even if there were more jobs, that's the thing that worries me. thank god for grandmothers is all i can say is because a lot of them are taking a role in raising a lot of these children. >> so true. >> now you have a situation where you have black women graduating from college in far

larger numbers than black men. you and i had this discussion at one point. it's very difficult for black college women to find husbands, you know. >> yeah. >> and this is going to touch on what you're saying, bob, and also what greg said. you can't place the blame on white or black here because it really -- it's not that. a lot of people are saying, well, because they are black they are at a disadvantage to white students. no, or disadvantaged to white applicants to the college they want to get into, no, or disadvantaged to the job they want. that's not -- >> at a disadvantage? >> what i'm saying if about you start early and start at pre-k and emphasize education at 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 years old, you'll send black kids performing under whites and asians and hispanics into the same competitive circles as the kids for the next -- for the better high schools, for the better colleges, for the better jobs when they get out. it has nothing to do with race,

bob, but the left seems to want to say, you know, because they are black they are underprivileged or because they grew up in this neighborhood they don't have the same opportunity. that's not what numbers bear out. >> you're the one who thought it was a bad idea, i thought. >> say what. hold on? i thought when i talked about early education and head start you thought that was government intervention. >> i don't think i ever mentioned that. >> there's multiple studies done that say the results are not there when it comes to head start which is one of the problems that de blasio is having getting support for his programs. i don't disagree in terms of getting that kind of education but the government-funded head start has not been the panacea that people make it out to be. >> not in every area. >> such a good word. >> i've got to say college is not the solution for this, when you're having problems in high school. a lot of times when you make it easier for people to get into college, it's a bad thing because they end up dropping out because they are not ready for it. >> they are not prepared. >> i think president obama said he'd be looking at public and

private programs. i can't think really, i'm sorry, of a really strong public program. the best private program is a job and the challenge is to rescue a generation of people that have formed a belief that work is for suckers. we're living in a world where both pop culture thrives off decline, where people are told they don't have to work, that things are easy, and i think that's -- that's a big problem. >> and, you know, i've long said that a lot of this was our fault and that when we decided to do the great society programs, we did a generation -- two or three generations of dependant people resulted. when you do have early childhood education, they do have a much better chance at it. again, when you talk about college, one of the groups i used to represent were there as this announcement, the trade schools. >> yeah. >> trade schools do some -- >> i think they are great. >> itt is one of the best trade schools in the world, the people who teach airline mechanics, costs a little bit of money, can

get student loans for them and there's a big demand for them and everybody thinks you need to go to an ivy league college with all the commie professors. >> you need a skill set. >> the mike rowe school of thought. >> in the early childhood life, one of the most important things, in addition to education, is to have a supportive church community that you're a part of, and in particular black churches have been the driving force of a lot of stability and also an ability to have a faith that can sustain you into the future. it was one of the thoughts behind the faith-based initiative was to try to get monies into the hands of programs that actually work because government is not able to love somebody and to help with the single moms that are trying to raise the children but the churches -- >> at the community level. >> and that's one of the reasons charter schools for one and religious schools, in particular, the catholic schools deserve more of our support because they are actually able

to turn lives around. >> our lady of mercy high school, amen to that, dana. >> ahead. stars were out in washington, actors ben affleck and seth rogan testified for their causes. rogan's testimony got a lot of laughs and see what affleck did with secretary of state john kerry beforehand, next.

yesterday senate democrats brought forth a bill that would ban marketing e-cigs to teens. yeah, that's a concern. what's next? ban the marketing of mountain dew to the elderly? these idiots did this to protect the children, but perhaps they are really protecting the billions in tax dollars they get from real cigarettes. no tone co-in an e-cig. no smoke, it's vaporer, the same

stuff between their stupid ears. i call these gas bags greedy, but they are worse. they are deadly. barbara boxer, dick durbin, harkin, blumenthal, marquee, they stand in the way of the first real progress in ending smoking for good. a half million people die yearly from smoking. if e-cigs had been around 30 years ago many of our moms and dads would be alive. vaping means i will live longer which is awesome for me and you. it's the greatest medical device since the clapper and spurred by cash and drama these hacks smear vaping which makes death smile. they need to be taken to a town square and shown what real tar is. boxer claims that e-cigs profit from addicts. no, they profit from quitters. i get protecting the kids, but this is not a gateway drug, it's a quitting device. her office also said there's no way of knowing whether e-cigs are harmful. there is, it's called science, you bozzo. see, this is all phony concern. critics don't care that it's not

smoking. only that it looks like smoking. why not ban chameleons or the creepy insects that look like sticks. i hate those things. politicians love outrage. it makes them feel good which trumps doing good so they belch their toxic fumes cocooned in fake concern while people die. maybe it's time to slap a warning label across their mouths. beware, secondhand stupidity kills. >> drives me nuts. >> this happened to you. >> yes, i was speaking two nights ago in boston at northeastern university, talking about my cigarette, and -- and talking about how this is great, and it's not smoking and as i put it down an individual had to walk out and take it from me, along with my glass of wine. >> you're kidding. >> because smoking is illegal on campus. >> you had wine. >> and they considered it smoking which is actually -- this is vapor, people. this is like a nicorette gum, like a patch. it's nothing. >> wait, why were you giving a speech smoking and drinking at the same time? >> prop comedy. >> i guess so. relaxing, it's what i do.

>> look what you just did to dana. >> but it doesn't bother me. >> it's water vapor. >> when congress introduces a bill and it's all partisan like that, it -- you have to follow the money. where does it lead to? who is actually giving them the contributions, bob? i mean, it has to be coming from somewhere. you could actually ride in a car with your dad smoking vaping that with the windows rolled up and it would never bother your delicate sinuses. >> it would bother my hair. it would start to wilt so if you vape with a certain circumference around me. >> just so nobody gets terribly along, particularly you, greg, because you have a very long book tour in front of you, the people who introduced the bill are the most liberal of all the liberal democratic senators. >> why are they doing this? need some attention? >> believe it or not, i believe they do believe -- they are way out in front of anti- -- harkin in particular on tobacco, but where are they getting the money from? guess they are getting it from environmental groups is where

they are getting some of the money from. i think the motives are probably pure but the whole thing is ridiculous. if you have something that will help somebody stop smoking what more can you ask for? >> it can't be -- it's got to be money. there are lobbyists somewhere who are saying, listen, let's squash this a little bit because the tonio lobbyists most likely. >> where else? >> could it be the tax revenue because if people stop smoking you don't get tax dollars? >> they are taxed. >> no, that's the thing. they are not taxed. >> they will back off on, you know, the science behind it and start taxing the hell out of it. >> i'd be shocked if any of these people received tobacco money. >> one of the best public policy arguments and debates going on on capitol hill right now actually. there's very little that government can do that won't make something worse. >> yeah. >> but i think it's also very strange that at the same time there are so many promoting the legalization of marijuana which you actually smoke that.

that's not vapor. >> good point. >> like banning alcohol-free beer. >> alcoholics who like the taste of a beer and don't want the alcohol because they are alcoholics and they drink that instead, but they are not sure what's in it so they will ban it. >> it's just reckless, you know. i don't care about your mother or father or whoever in your family, your aunt your uncle because here's a chance for them to repair their lungs, for them to chance the course in the life span that they might be having here and they are saying, no, we're going to ban t.ridiculous. >> in case any of you get influenced by eric bolling and a lot of you do, believe me non-alcoholic beer has alcohol in it so if you're an alcoholic don't touch it. >> it's a tiny bit. >> doesn't matter. don't do it. >> from the bay area, wasn't boxer for clean needles? i'm almost positive. >> part of that needle exchange program. >> which is actually allowing people to use a needle to take their drugs. >> right. >> yes they are against something --

>> how does she justify this? doesn't even have a tobacco. want this to be a tobacco product. >> you need to go to the press conference and ask all the senators. >> let's see if that's in our budget. porter? >> you know who is probably behind this, the trial lawyers. have a very big interest. >> now you're hanging out with your buddy bolling. >> you know how much money they made on tobacco? >> gosh, bob, you may be on to something. >> started here at "the five." >> crazy, about public health but they are actually enabling the death of people. it is a crime what they are doing. >> a lot better than the nicorette patches. i was at a swim club, a guy had patches -- >> you just found the other one. the farming industry saying we give a lot of nicorette, if you smoke that, you don't need the

nicorette. >> farmers, trial lawyers and tobacco lobbyists. >> there's pockets there somewhere. >> there's money, and the tri-lateral commission, throw them there n there, too. got to go. next on "the five," they may look guilty, but do dogs really feel shame? dana, what a surprise, has the answer coming up. >> look at the two of you. >> and katy perry caves to muslims outraged about her new video what. a surprise. we'll tell you about that. don't go away. @w@wowowpg÷÷owúg

all right. if you have a dog probably know what it's like to find your socks or favorite slippers oor from that muffin aybe crumbs from was stolen from the counter.

a lot of times the faces on the guilty culprit say it all. >> who did this mess? >> did you make this mess? somebody made it. who made it? who made this mess? >> dogs may look shameful after they have done something wrong but animal behaviorists are actually saying they lake shame. they say guilty looks are a reaction to how you are reacting at what they did. the reason i'm laughing is because i know that bob is about to explode. >> he is. >> i understand intellectually what they are saying, bob, but i have to tell you i think jasper really does have emotions. check out some of these pictures here. i had to. it's shameless. do we have jasper pictures. >> including one with me. >> there we go, looking kind of pensive, i think you can call that pensive, and the next one, let's see. that's his blue steel look from

"zeelander." i'm tired of you taking pictures. that one is oh, i love my mom, love taking a selfie picture and the last one, this is the one, bob, i want you to explain. what do you think he was thinking there? i love bob. >> first of all, that was his professor, professorship, did he not? he's a nice dog, but are you kidding me? feeling shame. you know what dogs feel. they feel like they want to get to a tree. they want to get to a fire hydrant or want to get to my front yard down in maryland, and the other thing is they think about food. beyond, that let me ask you this. >> forgot another thing. >> they think of one other thing. >> what? >> some things done in the after hours. >> that's fine, happens once a year which would be better all for all of us if that happened to some of us. >> what are you talking about? >> do you think your dog will feel shame? >> i'll tell you unequivocally that this study is absolutely wrong. i can tell you, i walk in the door, 100% of the time everything is fine, freedom will

be there, just so happy to see me. the minute i walk in the door and he's not there, i walk in, look around, and i'll find him, his tail will be down and his ears down, and i'll know that he went through the garbage, and sure enough i'll go to the kitchen and the garbage is strewn across the kitchen. >> see. >> they know they are guilty. >> do you think maybe they are just learning to adapt to how we think they would say so the look on their faces. >> there's a good boy. >> there he is. >> there's freedom. >> bela is really neglected on this show. i was just talking. >> bella is my little dog, an imperial shih tzu, a little cotton ball with flecks of gold. she's really cute and eats like a rottweiler. she hangs out around ronan and eats all the food that drops. one day i forgot to move the

tray and lept with unbelievable agility, ate all the oatmeal and came home from taking him to school and she's sitting there like me, me, me. >> she knew she was bad. >> greg, i'm afraid of what you're going to say and i'm going to be embarrassed. >> all animal expressions are an evolutionary adaptation for survival. hate to tell you that affection is a mechanism so you don't eat them. after all, we hunt foxes. we don't hunt dogs. foxes are dogs who don't give a damn. they are dogs who don't kiss human butts. that's why we hunt foxes. don't eat cats. we don't eat dogs because they evolve to express an emotion that makes us go ah. that's why babies are so adorable so we don't throw the babies out. >> what cat have you ever seen giving emotion? >> all they do is look at you like they know more than you. >> rub your leg. >> i -- any time an animal is

affectionate towards you because they don't want to die. >> because they want food. sorry, that's the truth. that doesn't make them any less lovable. they are just scared of you. they are scared of you. you're a giant fleshy creature that feeds them every day and they are thinking, please, i hope you don't stop feeding me. >> correct. >> and then you let them sleep on the bed. coming up, an update on a story we brought you yesterday. some muslims were you be happy with imagery in katy perry's new music video and the singer has decided to do something about it, but did she have to? that's next.

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>> this i told you about how some muslims are upset with katy perry's new music video dark horse. ♪ are you ready ♪ >> that's the number one song in the country. they accused her of blasphemy because the video shows a pendant inscribed with the word

allah that gets zapped. perry just caved to a petition and removed the symbol from the online version of the video. why, why, why? i guess this raises the bigger question. not just about perry. why is everybody caving to radical muslims, including the white house, including virtually -- i mean, i don't get it. is everybody afraid they are going to get jihaded? what do you think? why do you think. >> fatwa. >> perry values her life and her family which is the ultimate insult to a faith. she's saying your faith scares me to get and it's a complement to christianity that no one does that. oh, they are sane people. >> then i should be dead by now, right? >> and there are, you know, was it 1.5 billion muslims in the world, too, so maybe she values the ability to sell those people records and if there's a big muslim pushback. >> you think they will allow that in muslim countries. >> i'm sure they do allow it, bob. may not like it, but they

certainly allow it with the exception of maybe -- >> i bet if you found it on your ipod. >> some of the songs, 152 million downloads and i'm sure they are coming from -- >> she's hugely popular. >> al qaeda loves her. >> less catering to the muslim religion than she is the muslim dollar or whatever. >> what do you think? do you think she's caving to the dollar or could you think she's afraid she will get ousted? >> not a simple answer. i think it's probably a combination of both but if you had to pick one or the oh, i think it's fear factor. look, there's repercussions. everybody knows it at this table, right? it's not just talk. they act, and they do some of the most vicious heinous things like murdering children, so wouldn't you be a little concerned? i don't blame her for that. >> if i'm concerned i'm in real trouble. from the public relation standpoint, if you were the head of the muslim country wouldn't you think it would be a good idea to at least step forward and say this does not represent all of us? >> i've never actually

visualized myself being a spokesperson for the muslim countries, but, yes, i would have to say yes, i would. i have a question. how did the muslims even see that? you ever heard that somebody wants to be offend they will find a way to be offended. >> right, right, right. >> had to blow that up with a highlight and put a circle around it. i don't understand what are they looking frame by frame in order to be offended? >> you can barely see it. >> and i have to wonder about the recording industry artists of america. why didn't the association come out and defend her and her right to do -- be able to say whatever she wants to. >> scared. >> i repeat, an awful lot of kur cowards in the world. one more thing is up next, cowards.

it's time now for one more thing. we begin with mr. bolling. >> very quickly.

bear with me for a second. take a look at what happened last night and today. just listen to this. >> what we're worried about is the koch brothers and their friends bringing in millions and millions of dollars. >> i can't say that every one of the koch brother ads are a lie, but i'll say this. mr. president, the vast, vast majority of them are. these two brothers are about as un-american as anyone that i can imagine. >> wow. >> crazy harry reid, you are so off base. very quickly, the full screen, take a look at this. the koch brothers are not the top donors. 59th on the list and look at the top three, solidly democratic, strongly democratic and both and let me tell you, kimberly, koch brothers 100 million to the american ballet and 100 million to american presbyterian and 60 million to the met museum of art and 100 million to m.i.t. cancer research and the list goes on. 25 million -- >> to right wing groups.

>> these people are some of the biggest philanthropists on the planet and for harry reid and joe biden to call them out the way they did. they should absolutely apologize. >> why apologize to those guys? out there trying to destroy the democratic party. >> sorry. >> you do this to me all the time. >> you got beckeled. >> my man, teddy cruz, the senator from texas, up of my dear friends. teddy has decided for the first time i can remember to not endorse for re-election his republican colleague mr. cornyn. apparently leaves it open for the tea party to challenge or teddy, my man, got to do something other than talking about steak and cheese or whatever you're talking about, blue smoke and it mirrors. trying to groom you to be president. got to be careful. >> sure he appreciates that. >> i have no idea what he said. >> no one knows. >> greg? >> i'm excited that tonight on "red eye," very late. know you don't stay up too late so dvr it, stuart copeland for

the whole hour, the drummer for the police, one of the greatest drummers alive today, and he'll be on talking about his new project that i think he's doing an orchestral sound track to "ben hur" and i'm not joking. >> is he on for the whole hour? >> that's me when i was skinnier. >> that's like photoshopped in half. >> thank you, kimberly. >> the one more thing that i waived yesterday when we had alex trebek on, a "washington post" correction. one of the best thing to read is a correction. let me tell you about the capture of a mexican drug lord el chapo. in the "washington post" this correction ran. an earlier version of this story erroneously said that joaquin guzman was found in bed with his secretary. he was found with his wife, and this version has been corrected. i guess it's kind of hard to fact check those things, but that's maybe the best correction ever. >> more coverage that be the arrest. >> sorry, we didn't mean to say

in a. >> he'll be out. he's got $1 billion. he's not staying in any mexican jail. he goes to a u.s. one more. one more thing, super cute. put it up. love pope francis and look at the little mini me that came up to him dressed for carnival. here was the big moment and the little munch was crying but looked so cute, got through all the security because of his little outfit. isn't that so adorable? >> if you wear an outfit like that you can walk on up to the pope. >> god patted down at newark airport. >> tsa would have a field day. >> check how cute he is. >> he's a popesicle. >> all right. don't forget to set your dvr so you never miss an episode of

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