and if you do that you got a good shot at getting it on the air. thanks again for watching us tonight, i'm bill o'reilly, please always remember the spin stops right here because we are definitely looking out for you. i'm martha mccallum, live in new york city. and tonight. on the advice of my counsel i respectfully exercise my fifth amendment right and decline to answer that question. >> nine months later, same answer, but a very different reaction. what is next on cracking the stonewall on the irs scandal. why did half a dozen democratic senators turn on the white house and block this guy from getting a big job at the doj? >> you're with the police officers in a clear case like this or you're not. and then, raising new

questions about kathleen sebelius, the white house and some health care claims that are looking a little shaky. and then, busted in the school bathroom. these third graders accused of smoking pot. yes, sthi yes, third graders. all right everybody, developing tonight. we are getting the inside story of why a group of democratic senators broke with the president and shot down a controversial nominee in part because of his links to a convicted cop killer. good evening, everybody, i'm martha mccallum in for megyn kelly on "the kelly file." debo adegbile was nominated to head up the department of the civil rights division. but his was his position on the convicted cop killer, abu jamal

was convicted of brutally murdering philadelphia police officer daniel faulkner, shooting him in the back first and later in the face as he stood over this young, dying lawman. and while a half dozen national law enforcement groups stood united with officer faulkner's widow, against this nomination, the president described today's defeat as quote, a travesty that was based on wild character attacks against a good and public servant and those who voted against his nomination stood against an outstanding public servant. shannon bream has more details on what is just in today. shannon. >> well, martha, what is important to note tonight is that the fight over debo adegbile may not be over with. that is despite the fight not to nominate him today.

decades after jamal was convicted, debo adegbile headed up the group that fought against that sentence. critics say debo adegbile didn't stop at pure legal work, instead took part in rallies and legal work that portrayed jamal as a political prisoner. when things started to shift when democratic senator bob casey said he would vote no. he specifically cited his conversation with daniel faulkner's widow, maureen, who appeared on "the kelly file" numerous times. it was clear this was going to be a close vote because vice president joe biden was in the chamber and would have been the tie-breaking vote. democrats went in believing with joe biden's vote they had the numbers to be sure that debo adegbile would advance.

at the last moment, we know at least one democratic leader flipped. this is what mitch mcconnell had to say about the nominee. >> even seven democrats couldn't support it. >> >> well today, attorney general eric holder said he was very disappointed in the senate's vote, adding that debo adegbile is uniquely qualified and an exceptional lawyer. his record was either misrepresented or misunderstood for the sake of politics, several democrats voted no. and harry reid was an additional last minute no. here is why, by doing that no, with the prevailing side with the no-voters today he preserved the right to take another vote in the future if he can convince any of the other voters to change their minds. there is always the chance that president obama could re-appoint

debo adegbile in a future nomination. something to watch. joining me for more on this is jay christian adams, an attorney author of "injustice." he has done a lot of digging into the background of this lawyer and he joins us with that. good evening, sir going to have you with us. >> good evening. >> what do you make of the fact that the president was clearly outraged about this vote today. he called it a travesty and a real loss for the white house. >> the only travesty is that they would appoint somebody like debo adegbile. the only reason he is outraged is because he agrees with the nominee, he agrees with debo adegbile to go after law enforcement officials, to defend abu jamal, he was not nominated in spite of his defense of jamal, he was nominated because

of it. because these folks think that mumia was innocent. it is not just a question of giving somebody their day in court. debo adegbile took on the wider cause claiming america was unjust towards people of color. it was because of this rancid racial attitude that president obama appointed him in the first place and that is why he is mad. >> and that may be why the possibility of a recess appointment is a very real one, because clearly, the president and eric holder take this as a loss and a personal affront, this vote today. talk to me about his qualifications. because that is another thing they have put on the record, as just an understood, a given. you say he is not necessarily one of the greatest civil rights lawyers in this country. >> he is a young guy, but look at some of the issues he took on. he fought election integrity measures across the country. voter id. he actually worked to keep a white student out of law school, named abigail fisher, out of the

university of texas only because she is white. so this is a guy who has taken on the most random racial causes, and you know what? the justice department has become racial in the civil rights matters, and debo adegbile would have just added to it at the doj. >> thank you, good to have you with us. so you heard shannon talk about the lobbying effort from officer faulkner's widow. later tonight you will hear her reaction to this news. on today's vote, what she is planning if the nominee comes up for another vote in the near future which is very possible or even a recess appointment, maureen will tell you in her own words later tonight. and breaking tonight as tensions remain high in the ukraine today. the united states is now sending six additional f-15 fighter jets and re-fuelling tankers to support the military forces in the nearby baltics, and as the

crisis continues it may start to hurt obama politically. look at the really stunning numbers here, no doubt stunning numbers for the president this evening. his approval rating has hit a record low at 38%. now just last month he was at 42% on that measure. his approval on foreign policy as we look at the background of everything that is going on, even worse. that is at 33% approval on foreign policy. and when asked if the president is improving america's image a whopping 59% say that on that measure he quote, mostly failed. john bolton joins me now, former ambassador to the u.n., and a fox news contributor, ambassador, good to see you tonight. >> glad to be with you. >> what is your reaction to these numbers tonight? >> well, i think it is gratifying that americans do see the president's numbers on

foreign policy, it is good they see it. better late than never. >> let's take a look at this president in terms of how he hoped to fix america's standing in the world right after he was elected. watch this. >> i would like to think that with my election and the early decisions that we've made that you're starting to see some restoration of america's standing in the world. >> that is what he had hoped. and clearly based on these numbers it does no appear to be the case, ambassador. >> well, i think the president's view of america's role in the world is fundamentally contrary to reality. i think when we protect our interests. when we defend our allies. when we act consistently people respect or in some cases fear us. when we act as though we're uninterested. when the president doesn't pay attention. when he is not willing to protect american interests and

allies then i think others take advantage of us. and i think obama's view of the world is that america is part of the problem and that a weaker, declining, more inward looking america actually contributes to peace and energy. >> the white house today would clearly say they are on top of a lot of different attempts to try to do the right thing in this situation. we heard from secretary of defense hagel today. he says that they are expanding the military cooperation right now with poland and the baltics. that they are expanding aviation training right now in poland as part of the clouohesive plan. >> the fact is that in 2008, the europeans made a very bad mistake in rejecting efforts to put both ukraine and georgia on

a clear path to nato membership. and we're paying for the obama administration's failure in the five-plus years since then to think through the possibility that the russian invasion of georgia in august of 2008 could be repeated in ukraine. or that other states of the former soviet union like the baltics, estonia, latvia, other baltic areas. also tonight, caught lying again, e-mails just out raising new questions about kathleen sebelius, the white house, and some health care claims that are looking a little shaky. plus, former irs official, lois lerner back on the hill pleading the fifth. next, on the firestorm that caused and the request for

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we are back and developing tonig tonight, republicanss are now looking at measures to force the testimony of the woman at the center of the irs targeting scandal. lois lerner, here today during the hearing, the last time she appeared she refused to answer

the committee's questions. today, same story. >> i will decline to answer any question on the subject matter of this hearing. on the advice of my counsel i respectfully exercise my fifth amendment right and decline to answer that question. i respectfully exercise my fifth amendment right. i respectfully exercise my fifth amendment right and decline to answer the question. >> all right, you get the point. but the room erupted when democrat elijah cummings objected. it got worse when chairman issa cut off the microphones, watch this. >> seeking the truth is the obligation of this committee, i have no expectation that ms. lerner will cooperate with this committee, and therefore we stand adjourned. >> chairman, i have a statement, i have a procedural question, mr. chairman. mr. chairman, i have a

procedural question. mr. chairman, you cannot run a committee like this. you just cannot do this. this is -- we're better than that as a country. we're better than that as a committee. >> may i ask my question? state my statement? >> you're all free to leave, but the gentleman may ask his question. >> no, let me say what i have to say. i have listened to you for the last 20 minutes. >> ms. lerner, you're free to leave. >> but first, i would like to make some brief points. for the past year -- >> we're adjourned. >> close it down. >> against the white house. >> before our o-- single document. >> when i -- if you will sit down and allow me to ask a question, i am a member of the congress of the united states of america. i am tired of this.

>> i gave you the opportunity to ask the question. >> i do have a question. >> i gave you the opportunity to proceed. >> hot in there today, right? republican south carolina congressman trey goudy was a member of that committee, and joins me now, good to have you. >> yes, ma'am, thank you. >> i want to get to that scene we just watched. but first, we were covering that in our news room. we didn't know whether she was actually going to testify. it was right up to the wire. why did you folks believe she might actually come in there and answer your questions? >> well, because her attorney told us she would. we believed all through -- >> what changed? >> well -- only thing i can tell you is what he said. that he doesn't like what darrell issa and i said over the weekend about his client. so he decided that she wasn't going to answer our questions. and martha, i don't know what he

thought we were going to ask, it never was going to be a comfortable interview. i wasn't going to ask her what her favorite color was. i was going to ask her tough questions all along, i don't know what he thought changed. >> congressman elijah cummings, obviously very upset. you saw that exchange there, you were in the room. he said oh, we want to get to the bottom of this. and that caused a lot of folks to say let him speak, maybe he would even encourage lois lerner to get to the bottom of this. what he wanted was for her to get immunity, right, and she could make her statement. and that is something you were not having. >> well, i don't want to be hip hyper technical, it was not technical immunity, it is just you go ahead and tell your story, nothing you say will be used against you.

immunity, you will never be prosecuted no matter what you say that never was going to happen. the reality is, she had five opportunities to explain not what other people have done or said but her own e-mails and she invoked all five times. so her hearing was not going anywhere. >> she had said in e-mails, the tea party matter is very dangerous. there are a number of elements that show there could be a connection to washington based on this program to make sure that the conservative groups did not get their status. so what now? because john boehner came out and said we'll place her in contempt and force her to testify if it comes to that. will that happen? >> well, you can't make somebody talk unless you want to get jack bower out of retirement. the most you can do is give them an incentive to talk or you can punish them for not talking and that is contempt. but make no mistake we can't make her tell us what she knows, we can just punish her if she

doesn't. and that is where i would like to see this go. she waived her fifth amendment privilege, if you remember back in may she made 17 separate factual assertions. that is a lot of talking for somebody who wants to remain silent. either she talks and will negotiate a resolution with her or she doesn't and we hold her in contempt in front of congress. >> well, it sounds like we'll never hear from her. because darrell issa indicated as much. >> martha, i did this for 16 years, trust me, we can get her to talk. >> very interesting, we'll leave it at that. and we'll talk to you soon. trey gowdy, thank you very much. how about this, pot smoking in the bathroom, third graders? third graders? and plus, a nominee shot

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ready for this? investigation is now under way after a shocking discovery at a california elementary school. third graders, third graders, busted for smoking pot in the bathroom. i kid you not. trace gallagher joins us now

with this from the west coast news room. hi, trace. >> hi, martha, this is sonora, california, in central california and police there have confirmed that three third graders did get caught in a bathroom smoking pot by another student. the other student then notified the principal who called the cops then. the police say the two 8-year-olds and a 9-year-old were the youngest ever busted for pot. the police seized paraphernalia and the pot. police say they got it from multiple sources. they also say the students didn't have experience smoking and didn't appear to be under the influence. other parents at the school say they can't believe it. listen. >> shocked, about the marijuana. >> yeah, to be in third grade and have their own pipe. >> what do you think should be done? >> i think they should be taken out. but also follow it further to where they found it. >> now, the school

superintendent won't say if the boys have been expelled, but under california law kids under 12 are not normally charged with a crime but could face juvenile charges. california was the first state to allow medical marijuana in the '90s, and polls show there is strong interest in legalizing recreational pot, but sources say it will just give kids like these easier access. >> one word, they got it from multiple sources. what do they think that means? and i think that woman is right. i mean, where they got it is really the main question i would want to know if i were the administrator. >> and that is what we're checking on right now is where they got it. i can just add when we talk about the whole debate, in colorado, kids 10 and 11 just got busted for smoking pot at school. they say they thought it was cool and legal. so where these kids got it is still the question, but police won't release the information. >> all right, unbelievable,

trace, thank you. you bet. coming up, news on the health care exchange that will affect 11 million americans. this is a big one, folks, stick around for the news that broke just before the show tonight. plus, parents voice their outrage after heroin, heroin was found in a grade school. what is going on out here? the teacher's union has now decided that they're going to stonewall the police investigation on this. the needles were found in the teacher's lounge. >> tell me how it is not small town politics when there is no reason you can't put them on administrative leave. i'm not satisfied. point blank, i'm not satisfied. i want to know what is state law and what are your grounds for not putting these people on administrative leave. administrative leave. and everybody can disagree with good job! still runnng in the morning? yeah. getting your vegebles every day? when i can. [ bop ] [ male announcer ] could've had a v8. two full servings of vegetables for only 50 delicious calories.

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you think about this, it's during the debt ceiling deal, democrats develop these pools this, wonderful plan that would be cool to do that to them. so now, they're saying to give it two more years. i mean this smacks of a very political decision. >> this is not intended to protect the american people from obamacare but vulnerable democrats from another wave of cancellations. this will do nothing to stop this wave coming in the employer based health care system. last year he had people with individual market plans

they are deal yeahing these until after election day the question if we can protect vulnerable democrats from obamacare why can't we protect the american people? >> it's an excellent question. you wonder what ramifications are. and they're making it easier, you say for democrats who would be up against a wall when they got millions more people in the district ran out of their ability to keep the plan they liked since they've promised in the beginning. and this is more complicateed and has to do with enroll america z what kathleen sebelius' role was >> it's an outside group formed by former obama administration officials to promote obamacare. what happened is that the kathleen sebelius, they're doing

polls together, they're doing talking points together. that is fine and legal. what you can not do, what she is accused of doing is raising money for them. from people over whom you have regulatory powers so martha if i'm a government official and have power over you i can't say martha, give me $1 million. i can't say to you, hey, martha a group of friends started a great nonprofit give them a million dollars. >> i'm going to say, okay. i don't want to risk having my activities looked into based on the fact i decided not to help you out. >> so it's coercive for a government official to go to private individuals over whom she has great power to make or break their businesses and demand money. >> have they explained this? are they saying no, it's okay because of x, y, z?

>> they're saying that she didn't actually solicit companies over whom she had direct authority. she admits to having solicited money over h and r block. but officials told them in business executives said we've been solicited by obama administration officials demanding seven figure contributions to enroll america. a million dollars and more. bigger companies are getting asked for more can you not coerce private businesses to give money to a nonprofit started by obama officials. >> mark, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> so, also developing tonight u.s. beefing up military presence in mayorland europe. the u.s. sending in more fighter jets at the requests of our

allies. tonight, shepherd smith traveled into the disputed territory into the heart of this crisis and joins us now, live from ukraine. >> reporter: martha, we took a 400 mile flight from here in kiev down to the heart of crimea. when we landed there had been troops there in recent days, russian troops. we saw none of. that local security forces with flags went into squares around, no russian troops. you have to go farther. we went to a naval institution and found russian soldiers had taken charge of it. they'd taken ukrainin soldiers' arms away.

and the fact of the matter is that russians control all ports, all naval installations. yu crane ships are locked into their own port by russians and bbc got video of russian snipers watching over that area. the truth is that russians control crimea for now, at least. there is diplomacy underway. our secretary of state john kerry met with the foreign secretary in paris, and spoke in the 9:00 p.m hour, paris time, 3:00 this afternoon on the east coast and said we had lengthy discussions and explained to them that violation of the territory of ukraine was something that the world would not accept. said he laid out the options from united states per suspective but gave nothing and the bottom line is that talks failed secretary kerry said they'd go forward in days ahead people here are wondering,

especially in kiev, when does this end? behind me? flowers you see? that is the spot the local police set up a wall, police snipers got on top and killed a number of the protestors here. the hotel where we're staying at the time served as a morgue. it may not look as if tensions are high, but they are. russians have taken control and west is trying to get it back. it appears the west does not have a lot of leverage. >> shepherd, invaluable getting that look. shepherd smith, thank you. >> so administration is facing a crisis here at home now the president's pick to lead the doj civil rights division has been shot down the nomination by a bipartisan group of nors up next going to get reaction from the woman whose husband was

killed by the man this man defended as well as a former police officer shot in the line of duty himself then, and asked them both what they make of the suggestion this vote is vote, a tra vesty for the american people. >> president obama has not walked in my shoes for the past 32 years. and has not felt the pain that i and the faulkner family endured from a man who brutally murdered my husband. e the halls are. it doesn't matter if thereare g, e the halls are. or big mahogany desks. whenorking with an investment firm, what's really important is wther the peoe

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spoke today. >> i broke down in tears when i saw the this is blocked i feel he is not the man for this position. now, i just, have gratitude for the senators that were brave enough to vote and do the right thing. i feel as though sometimes i feel danny is looking upon me. through this, giving me the strength to peek out, not because of the brutal murder of what happened but for all police officers throughout the country that we must be united and stand up for them, and respect them for what they do in this country. i do believe he gives me the strength i think he would be proud of me, today. >> i bet he would be proud today. what we're hearing from the hill

is that she is the person who turned the tide on capitol hill by all of the pleading and discussing and sending information to the senators so they cannot say they didn't know what happened. she not only found support in the senate but from thousands of law enforcement officers who said this nomination would be a thumb in the eye to all of them. richard costello is a political director for philadelphia order of police he was a police officer back m those years when daniel faulkner was guned down. sir, welcome. >> thank you. >> we're honored to have you. i wonder what your reaction is when you listen to maureen maulkner. she got this decision today what do you think? >> this case has been a circus

of evil. like a carnival of the bizarre. for over 30 years now we've been forced to endure every left wing hate group in america championing a cold blooded killer of a philadelphia police officer as some type of twisted political hero. maureen herself has been trapped in a time warp of heartache, and it's 2014 she's never been allowed to leave december, 1981. it's been cruel, heartless and needs to end >> i can't imagine what she's been through. you know? her young husband, they were happily married in the beginning of life together. he's guned down by this man and becomes a cause celebrity, then finds one of the men that volunteered to take this on, he decides to get involveed and he almost gets one of the top jobs

in the doj. you're right. it's a cruel circus as you put it. what do you think about the fact the president was shocked by this outcome in the senate? saying this is a tra vesty. >> senator from the great state of west virginia indicated after he spoke with maureen faulkner, he was voting his conscience. if president obama thinks voting is a tra vesty then i submit the true travesty is sitting in the white house. >> this has been an he megsal ride i want to go back to something i just talked about. there is something put out there, mr. adegbile was just doing his job. >> the chronology makes him a

liar. he did not come on board until 27 years later. he was using this case as an excuse to launch an attack on the criminal justice system and champion a killer as some type of twisted hero. >> this is a cause celeb. the it might have been a career booster for him. >> it seemed to think that. it has been a career booster for others this case is a nightmare. a killer has been championed as a hero. >> thank you very much. we know it's a good day for all of you. we'll see what happens. there is a possibility of a recess appointment. we'll stay on it and thank you for being here tonight. >> thank you. >> so there are new developments tonight from a fiery school board meeting with parents demanding answers after heroin is found in a grade school and

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. and a kelly file follow-up for you, a week ago we told you how heroin was found in a new york city elementary school. apparently teachers cooperated with the police until the union told them they should not really be doing that.

so tonight, the board of education heard an earful from outraged parents, and the kelly camera was there. and trace gallagher has more. >> hey, martha, this board meeting was supposed to be all about the school budget but the parents did not want to talk about money at all. they are irate because they believe that some of their kids are likely being taught by a heroin user who is being shielded by the union. listen to some angry parents. >> i love the teachers, i think they're wonderful people and i certainly don't want anybody to be guilty without being proven guilty. but i still don't think they should be in the same hallways with my kid or another kid. >> this is assuming guilt or innocence, but this is just removing the threat from the students. we're not doing that. we're failing them. >> twice in the past three months, heroin was found in a men's faculty bathroom. sources say that a teacher's

aide and a contract worker used the bathroom. the contract worker who was nonunion agreed to give a sample. and at first the teachers agreed until the union said that the state law do not require the teachers to take drug tests. the teachers then got lawyers and are now not cooperating. the union is not speaking and the investigation is moving at a snail's pace. the parents are worried because the school did not notify them until the second incident. even then the note was vague, saying they found the paraphernalia in a rest room and we immediately reported this to the fall'sburg police department. they left out the part about the heroin in the faculty bathroom. tonight we tried to talk to the superintendent and this is what happened. >> i'm with the megyn kelly show, can we please ask you a few questions? >> the superintendent says they

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tonight, a fitting tribute to a member of the greatest generation. during a race benefitting today's military, on sunday, 95-year-old joe bell put on his uniform to cheer on the runners in california when this happened. [ applause ] >> thank you. >> you're doing a good job, get right into it. go after it! >> runner after runner spontaneous going off course to shake the world war ii vet's hand and thank him for his service. what a great shot that is. the race benef tillman's foundation, who left the nfl and went to the war after 9/11.

thank you for joining us everyone, i'm martha mccallum. this is "the kelly file." and this is a fox news alert, the crisis in ukraine continues to escalate. tonight, the pentagon has announced it is sending six team fighter jets and a re-fuelling aircraft to aid the nato forces. and our very own shepard smith flew down to crimea to get a firsthand look on the ground, and he joins us now, shep? >> reporter: and sean, when we got to crimea we were looking for russian soldiers who had been on the ground for days. when we got there, people said no, they're not here, things are much