make them hip in jon stewart's eyes, but at least it won't make them hypocrites in everybody else's. that's it. good night. hel o, everyone i'm kimberly guilfoyle, along with bob beckel, eric bolling, dana perino, and greg gutfield. it's 5:00 in new york city, and this is "the five." one week. that's how long flight 370 has been missing after it took off from militia headed for beijing. here's what's new today. investigators are now seriously considering that this could have been an act of piracy and not a catastrophic plane malfunction. there's reportedly evidence that a hijacker could is flown the jet off course toward india and may have landed the plane somewhere. we're also learning that the plane sent signals to a satellite for hours after it went missing.

here's more from a wall street journal reporter. >> what we have been able to figure out is after it dropped off radar in the early hours of saturday morning, the aircraft continued to broadcast what is essentially the equivalent of a ping. over the course of the time that that elapsed, at least five hours, the satellite kept pinging the airplane and the airplane said yes, i'm here. and i can receive data. >> so 24 hours, and we're seeing a little bit of a different picture than what we knew just yesterday. more credible leads now? some trail of evidence to see what we might have? >> a couple quick thoughts. they were having a hard time finding kind of covering a small piece of area that they originally thought the plane may have gone down in. remember, it made the sharp left turn, and they thought it was going to go over that malacca strait. now, if this is true, there's four or five hours of continuous flight in any direction, because they're not sure which direction it went, you have a radius of 500 miles per hour, four hours,

2,000 miles in all directions. that's a massive search. it could be anywhere, but i will tell you one thing, it keeps coming back. if these transponders went off and the plane continued to fly for four more hours, they had to be manually turned off. if it was a catastrophic electrical failure, it's going down. down somewhere near that area, but it didn't. it flew for four more hours. there has to be foul play in my very humble opinion on this. >> dana, this new syrian evidence coming in seems to make sense because there wasn't a debris field. they could find evidence, forensic evidence that could lead to what happened, what went wrong. >> one of the reasons i think we know a lot more today than yesterday is a lot of the speculation, even information coming out of our administration, the u.s. government, has gone quiet. and that usually means that they've got some sort of a lead. now you have to balance the public's right to know with the

need to keep secrecy to be able to work in conjunction with the malaysian military forces and all of the other allies working with us in the area. i do think that a week ago, if you had said, yeah, the plane was hijacked by a pilot and landed somewhere so they could use it another time, it would have sounded like something out of a hollywood proposal. unfortunately, that could end up being the reality. for the families, i feel bad for them because they're basically going to have to hang on and hopefully they can get some sort of information behind the scenes from the government. >> you bring up a good point, because it sounds so far fetched, almost, like an abc show, "lost." saying where does the plane go? did they land some place else? could they be alive? it's opening up doors and possibilities. >> i have tried for a week to suppress the desire to speculate. at this point, it's almost impossible. the closest thing this is like is like a missing child, but it's taken to a surveal level. it's a 300 ton missing person,

and the globe is actually the neighborhood, and i think how can that happen? but ariel castro hid kids for ten years in the community. it's perhaps incredibly possible with a dark will to create dark deeds. it seems to me intentional and performed by a trained person who knew when to start a mission, which means there's a purpose and possibly the purpose is not over and maybe someone will claim responsibility or not. the other option, which is very grim and hard for everybody is that the passengers thwarted this and that we might never know what happened because they might have stopped something heroically and we'll never know. >> wow. >> you're right, because we were able to get communication and evidence from 9/11, even cell phone calls. >> let's assume this piece of evidence we've got, at least reported, is reliable. that means the field, as eric pointed out, is huge to look for this thing. it's been isolated. that means there's a lot of places in the debris field to look for. they have to start looking in

those areas. let's assume for a moment it was an act of piracy. what does that mean? piracy, for a terrorist act? if it's a terrorist act, i come back to this point. why do we not hear from anybody yet taking credit for this? this has got to be landed by now. if it landed, and i don't buy into that necessarily, i wonder what you would do with piracy? for what, to steal it, to repaint it, use it for yourself? what would the piracy be involving? >> it could have been botched, which is why you're not hearing anything about de. >> can i point something out? the way you figure this out, if it's 500 miles an hour traveling, which is a likelihood it was at that altitude. four hours, you draw a circle around that, you're talking 15 million square miles of land and sea you've got to search before you know what happened to the plane. i'll make one more point. i made it yesterday. it's relevant. if the nsa has the capability to

do everything they're doing with cell phones, with knowing everything that's going in phones, e-mails, telephone calls, massive amounts of data. to track airplanes from known terrorist places on their way through china, another terrorist hotbed of activity, go for it. spend some time doing that rather than finding out who i'm texting. >> the other thing is we don't know if there is foul play, we don't know the expertise and the capabilities of the individuals involved. the murderers possibility involved, and interesting, especially on the cyberterrorism front, it's so difficult to stay ahead of any of the capabilities taught all around the world, that's why i'm for -- i don't think it's a good idea to cut our military. i want more availability, more resources available to either the nsa or cia or whoever it needs to be to be able to help do the things you're suggesting. >> i mean, the other option is, i mean, i would like to think that if this was foul play, it was one person.

it was a person who committed suicide. it wasn't a greater terrorist act, but it does put the news in perspective in the sense that if it is a monumental event, which it seems to be, it makes other disputes and issues that are covered seem ridiculously small, and to what you're saying, that we all work 9:00 to 5:00, but terrorists and these villains that seem far worse than anything in any batman film, their desire to create menace and fear in our hearts work nonstop for this. this is performance art for them. >> has anybody noticed that two people who had passports that came out of a fellow in iran, that's dropped off in the news? >> that's because authorities have said they checked out the leads and there wasn't anything there. >> probably not a phony passport in and of itself, there's something wrong with that, right? >> yes, but as you pointed out, bob, there's a lot of passport

theft, identity theft in that area. in thailand, if you want to get a fake passport, that's one of the best places to go. >> let me ask you another question. of this pinging we hear about, it doesn't say where. i mean, it just pings? it doesn't have the location? >> they were still being hit with satellites. remember, satellite can cover the globe. radar can't. some satellite picked up some pings, some image at some point, and it may or may not be true, but it sounds like it's true. remember when we were going to have a no-fly list. if you came from a country like iran and you're paying cash for a ticket, you weren't going to get on an airplane. you remember that? and you certainly weren't going to get into a u.s. airport. wouldn't you think interpol has the same standards? >> no, i don't think they do. nor do i think they have the same resources available to them. it's one of the reasons you don't have direct flights from malaysia into the united states.

because you make them fly through somewhere else. >> isn't that a great point? now you see. >> i think that's why. the good news, i believe, is that our military still has good relationships with the malaysian military, so because the malaysians have given us so many pieces of conflicting information and they have undermined confidence in their investigation, i think that we should all be able to trust that our government is on top of it because you start to hear confirmation about the five-hour flight after the transponders turn off, that means our government is in charge. i think we should feel comfortable with that. i think. >> it seems to me the press is in charge. the wall street journal does the reporting. the question is who is in charge? there's no place to go to get an answer that is straight. >> no sort of central nexus for information. >> yeah. >> i think it's working like it's supposed to. our government has to balance the competing needs of the press and the need to not compromise

the investigation and possibly hurt the ability for us to track down additional threads in an intel string. >> you also need to know where this plane actually is or went down, because if it's in international waters, it's a whole different animal than if it's across the shore. >> he's right, jurisdictional issues. >> it's a boeing airplane, an american-made airplane. if there's a problem, something that went wrong, the ntsb will be on it and they'll be in charge of that investigation, but again, you have to find the thing first before you can make the call. >> it relates internationally. everybody has a vested interest in making sure we find answers to what happened. whether it was a malfunction, catastrophic event or piracy, there are a number of options on the table. until we know, we don't know, and they have to be vigilant to find out. i agree with dana. i feel much more confident the u.s. is on top of this. if we can bring in our own aviation experts to investigate, perhaps we're going to --

>> you have to do it in a way that allows the malaysians a way to save face. that's important. >> tell us about the diplomacy. >> we have our state department folks on the ground, but the military cooperation is one of the most important things you can have when you have a situation, kimberly. >> we're joined by shepard smith. >> you mentioned the military. you can bring it to me. that's fine. we have just gotting this new information in from the "new york times." this is fascinating. officials now say data picked up by malaysian military radar shows the plane climbed from the 35,000 feet where it was scheduled to be up to 40,000 feet. even higher. it later dropped sharply to 23,000 feet. and that's more on this. it's just coming in. here's the area we're talking about. taking off from kuala lumpur. they were headed in that direction, and once the ping stopped, the plane climbed to above 40,000 feet, and then

dropped to 23,000 feet. it also suggests, the data shows a sharp drop, as much as 40,000 feet in the course of a minute, but they don't believe that that reading is accurate. so strange, investigators say they don't know -- they don't expect to believe that at all. but the new information suggests when the data stopped flowing, that the plane went up for some time, and then went down to 23,000 feet, which would explain why they said it was flying at a very low altitude. what does all this mean in the grand scheme of things? five guys, i don't know. i know the plane is still missing and noinchd can find it. >> can i ask you quickly? if they know the plane climbed to 40,000 and back down to 23,000 feet, you would assume they had a locater on that as well, right? >> you would assume they would. this is malaysian military data, and it seems to follow along the same course about which we have been speaking. headed in that direction. the pinging stopped. it makes a turn, and at that point, according to the brand new reporting in the last five minutes, it went up and then

went down. they told us they thought it was cruising at a much lower altitude that the 35,000 once it reportedly made the turn and then went on for some four to five hours. nobody can explain why that would happen. >> shep, this is bob. over your -- i guess your right shoulder, the area they were looking for the plane, the direction it was supposed to be flying in, they had a lot of aircraft and radar looking in that area. i look at that big circle you're talking about. how much equipment would it take to cover that kind of area? >> you can't cover that area. this is six times -- and i saw a graphic on your program just a few minutes ago. six times the size of the united states. they're not searching all of this. they can't search all of this. they think in general it headed this way. the u.s. military seems to believe it ended up somewhere in the indian ocean. does that mean it landed on some island? people don't seem to know or really think that. the thinking is it probably crashed into the indian ocean. why do thaw think that?

i don't know, but i thought what dana had to say as a former white house insider, was interesting. we're not issuing any more press statements because malaysia is in charge of this, yet, our assets are in the indian ocean. you would need the united states navy and government facilities to get down that deep. we're headed there for a reason, that we don't know what the reason is makes a lot more sense to me than the rest of it. they don't tell us information until they feel like they've got everything covered. usually, like what dana said, when they put it out, it's usually right. >> i have a question about the new information that's coming out that you said was just released from the "new york times." is this new information to the malaysians or is it new information to us, which my question is, did the malaysians either not know about this, are they just learning about it, or did they not tell us about it in the first place? >> they just shared it with the united states, is our understanding. why they haven't shared from the

beginning is beyond me. i know their military and their civilian authorities work sort of on counterplains, if you will. radar signals recorded by the malaysian military appear to show the aircraft climbing, i said 40,000 earlier. i thought it was a typo. they're reporting 45,000 feet. way above the approved altitude for a jet like this, for a boeing 777. and soon after, it disappeared from civilian radar, it made a shorp turn to the west. according to a preliminary report from the person familiar with this data. the radar track which the malaysian government has not released but said it provided to the united states and china now then shows the plane descending unevenly to an altitude of about 23,000 feet, below normal cruising altitude. what we're talking about is it goes that way. it's climbing as it does. it drops off the radar. and then it unevenly descends to 23,000 feet while headed in this general direction for hours on

end. >> shep, i mean -- i hate asking questions that you can't answer, but it seems to me, it sounds like perhaps there was a struggle. and i was just wondering, what about the cabin door? what is it about this plane that is different from say our planes in terms of security of that cabin door? >> my understanding is there's not a lot different. but the untold truth, you know, you fly in the front, if you work with the company, you get to fly in the front of the plane a lot, and i appreciate that. the fact i'm flying in the front of the plane means i get to see the cabin door. it's locked, but the guy has to go out and use the toilet. they bring the curtain and the flight attendant stands there. it's not as if you can't get in there. >> it seems to me, again, i hate saying speculation, but it seems like passengers knew something was up and revolted. that's what it sounds like. >> if you're climbing that much that fast, you would probably know something was wrong. >> if you're used to flying and you're at a cruising altitude, you expect to stay at that cruising altitude. if you don't, your ears warn

youg immediately. but that being the case, nobody can get any communication out for four to five hours? nobody, no communication of any kind? really? >> shep, you said something about sending assets from the united states. in the middle of the indian ocean, we have one of our largest bases, diego garcia is there, and we have a lot of assets there. in other words, it's not a question of having to steam towards there. we have most of what we need right there, which could be helpful if they have limited the area they think the plane could have gone down. >> they have repositioned some assets. we were moving over to malacca for a while. now from everything we have heard from the united states prior to today, and this doesn't refute any of that, the united states for reasons that are beyond me, because we are not going to know until they want us to know, if most of the leaks happen on purpose, this is the last known path. this is where they think it went. but it kept going. so that position right there, that broadens out. you can see the position where

that was, taking me live, was right here. and then they think it continued in this direction. at 500, 550 ground miles per hour, it would have ended up in here, about 2400, 2500 miles from where it was. you may never find it. >> could you read that again? they said radar and it's been given to the united states and china? it's radar, we have heard that the wall street journal was reporting that a satellite had picked up the plane. now you have a satellite pinging and a radar. i'm going to go -- listen, it sounds like they're going to know pretty darn close where this plane is and they're probably getting the assets the to find it. >> we can hope so, until we find out it went in the drink right there. i'm not sure exactly what we know. how do they know? why do they tell us they believe this plane flew for four to five hours? the only thing i can figure is they put all these data points together. they were able to compile it all and said all right, here's the most logical thing to have happen. we have pings here.

the ping doesn't say this is this airline, flight 370. they say this is some object in the air. thaw put it together and thought it took this route and flew unevenly down at 2300 feet. i don't think they would drop this on the "times" if they didn't know. >> thanks for all that information and more to come on the malaysia mystery ahead. up next, billionaire obama supporters break from the president on the minimum wage. what they say a hike would do to jobs in america. keep it right here on "the five."

president obama wants to raise minimum wage to over $10 an hour, but some of his billionaire supporters do not think that's a good idea. here are bill gates, michael bloomberg, and oracle of omaha, warren buffett. >> when people say we should

raise the minimum wage, i think, boy, i know some economists disagree, but i worry about what that does to job creation, potentially dampening demand in the part of the labor spectrum i'm most worried about. >> this impetus to raise minimum wage is one of the most misguided things we can do. you will hurt the poor. >> you can have a minimum wage of $15 and it didn't hurt anything else, i would love it, but clearly, that isn't the case. >> you have something to say? >> i was going to say gates, bloomberg, buffett, what do they know about starting a business? noclike president obama. geez. >> don't believe anything they say. >> come on. >> they should listen to him. >> go to harvard. >> this is a debate shaping up to be something president obama will push through this year. it was in the state of the union and he's been talking about it on the campaign trail. eric, how much does it undermine those campaign efforts to have

these three gentlemen, at least these three, speaking out against it? >> at least a couple of them supporting president obama, but now they're admitting it's a bad idea. these are people who create jobs and they know what raising minimum wage above supply and demand, you're going to push it overseas. take the cfo's new duke university study came out with cfo magazine, a substantial, a big study. 57% of people -- of cfos in the retail industry, 44% of cfos in the service industry said raising the minimum wage artificially will definitely affect the way they hire. not only the people they employ, the way they hire, and they may cut back on employment. if that doesn't tell you right there you should not mess around with freeimum wage, nothing should. >> what do you expect these guys to say inthey're in that industry. they don't want to raise the minimum wage. of course they're going to say

something like that. >> but those three guys aren't. >> these billionaires, they're pine and they're supporters of obama. i grant you that. >> you said were. >> at $7 and some change, you work a full time job, you're still in the poverty level. there's something wrong with that. minimum wage means you work full time, you work hard, and you're still in poverty. >> you have experts, studies, people in business saying it will hurt jobs and their ability to create jobs. kimberly, do you think president obama thinks that's a price worth paying in order to raise the minimum wage? is he okay with that? >> i think he clearly thinks it's okay. it's an acceptable outcome, a necessary evil, but it really doesn't think it's evil. this has been the most anti-business administration we have had in a very long time, and you see it reflected in some of these policies. if you have even a mild crush on business versus you love it, you're going to see this is an administration that isn't helping the economy grow or move forward. you have to people who used to

be ardent supporters of the president forced to acknowledge the facts. >> can somebody here cite a specific interest where the minimum wage -- >> don't try to prove it with me. let's get greg's thoughts. >> what do you mean? >> can you show me one person, name one person? >> you show me a survey of some people. i'll i'm saying -- they think it would affect their hiring? >> no, not just their hiring. their employment. they may cut back current employment as well as hiring. >> those are jobs lost. >> can greg say one thing? can greg say one thing in the block? >> number one, there is no shortage of jobs. there's a shortage of people who can do those jobs. and mike rowe has brought it up a million times. we need trade skills, we need people to learn trades. they don't need full-time work at mcdonald's. that's for a high school opportunity. it's not for a grown man and a grown woman. the minimum wage is for that

first rung, and you want to turn that into a permanent rung for an underclass that should be growing and should be moving up. that's the problem. >> that's actually my concern. is that the minimum wage, raising it to $10.10 an hour is a wholly insufficient policy to help them in the long run. >> if you raise minimum wage, what about the wages above that? you have to increase wages for those peement and you're going to end up firing them. >> the unions support it because their wages are tied to the minimum wame. >> we have breaking news we're going to go back to shep. >> in just the last two minutes, none of this made sense, right? how in the world did they know the plane is still flying when all of the transponders and stuff are off? now we know. and i'll explain it right after this.

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all right, we have breaking news. shep alluded to it before the break. >> some of this is starting to make sense now. so we know that the acar system

which allows for communication and the one that tells folks on the ground, i'm flight 370, that those things went off. not at the same time, but sequentially, so how in the world do they know this plane flew for another four, five hours? i think we have it now. this comes from the reporting of catherine herridge in washington who has spoken with hers sources. you know how your phone, you'll see at the top every now and then, it's not connected to at & t or verizon and has the circling thing saying i'm searching. and then eventually, it says got it, and it lets you know you have range and you can make a phone call? you didn't do anything there. no data was transmitted, but it made a connection. well, according to the reporting of catherine herridge and her sources, that's what happens with the jets. every hour or so, a handshake is made. between the transmission devices on the plane and the receiving devices which are on the ground.

and that happens about once every hour. and that happened with this jet four to five times after it lost signal. so what does that tell us? a handshake was made. here's when that handshake can't happen. if the power is cut for any reason, if it's in the water, that doesn't happen. if it's exploded, the wouldn't happen. if it's still flying, it happens. and it happened. what do you learn from that handshake, if you will? you don't learn the exact altitude or direction of travel or anything like that. but you learn the ark and scope of where the thing is. noert in other words, could our signal that is receiving it hit it? you learn the arc and scope. then to try to figure out where it went, they have to combine that data with points on the ground or in the water. sometimes buoys, sometimes on little islands, so they had points where they could pick this up on military radar all over that range. and that's why they now indicate to us that it flew for hours and

they think it was headed in the general direction of the indian ocean. one more thing. this is what they said happened. take off from kuala lumpur. right here is where they say they lost contact with the thing, that it stopped sending out the transponder. it's there on the way to here that we learned in the last 30 minutes, it began to climb to 45,000 feet or so according to the "new york times." and then it went this way and descended irregulare to 25,000 feet. they have markers that indicate it made this zigzag along the way. here's the original route. instead it went that way. now we know how they know it was still in the air, because of the handshakes. she's reporting they don't normally use this thing early in the investigation. they use civilian and military markers to begin it, but because this is so weird, they had to go with the handshake. in the same way your phone makes contact with a cell tower but you made no contact, it knows

you're there, and the same thing is true with the airplane, and that's how they know it flew for four to five hours. >> that information is significant, but there's an additional piece of information we could have gotten from the system, but malaysia air didn't sign up for the service with boeing 777 you can get. it's like a subscription service. if you do that, you can get more specific targeted information as to the location of the plane, such as like a gps system. >> that's right. >> tracks it with specificity, you know the direction, not just the arc or the general region. because we didn't have that, we have that misinformation for this time or lack of specifics. >> that's right, and that was described to me as maybe you didn't get the long range coverage on your car. it can now send information to an app if your car is fancy enough. they didn't sign up for it so it wasn't there. >> you said before the plane went from 45,000 feet and rapidly went down to 23,000. >> erratically and irregulare.

>> if you're saying that this information was transmitted every hour or so, how do you get -- how do they know it went from 45,000 to 23,000? >> i think i have an answer for that. >> okay. >> it's the handshake that lets them know that the plane is still flying. and based on what they know about the trajectory, they use military radar and civilian radar to figure out, okay, if this plane was flying in this direction, which of these pings with no identification means anything? right? they lock into that plane and they were able to determine from those radar, from the sxoep a scope and arc, what height, what elevation the plane which was not sending out identifying marks, was flying. according to the compilation of the military and civilian radar along with the knowledge it's still flying, they have been able to come up with this flight path. is this definitive, 100%? no, but according to the times and catherine herridge, these are the items to which investigators are pointing as their best information, to say they believe this is what

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order now the oreck magnesium rs welcome back to "the five." we're continuing our fascinating discussion with shepard smith about the missing jet. i have a question about another possible scenario that was as strange as this one, which was the payne stewart doomed flight when he was in a jet, in a private jet and he was unconscious and the plane flew. has that been entertained? >> it has. there is sapossibility of rapid depressurization inside the cockpit and for that matter in the rest of the plane. what would have caused that? a lot of things potentially. any of them would be extremely rare. this is the safest mode of transportation on earth, safer than walking. you have to keep that in mind. could there have been a crack in the hole to cause rapid depressurization if that happened.

according to analysts and our own leah gabriel, we have three seconds and you're asleep. if rapid depressurization happens. pilots are trained about things you can do in that amount of time, three seconds, but you would go to sleep after three seconds. she had a friend who this happened to in an f-18. he changed the altitude of the plane, hoping it would sort of glide down. instead, they crashed and burned. so is that a possibility? it is a possibility. but they don't believe this happened because, according to this new reporting, there is indication that it came up and hit the southern tip of thailand, and then made its way back. and if i pull out a little bit, this is malaysia, cambodia, vietnam, and then the indian ocean. it would have come right back across here. they seem to have pings from military, by the way, the malaysian government will not share with the public, so not the media. there's no indication why they realize the plane flew back over malaysia, that it didn't react

in real time to all of this. no explanations for any of that. >> shep, i have a question about something we could actually about rather than just speculation. it's about the news gathering and what it's been like for journalists to try to find good sources, solid information. i mean, we're going on a week now of trying to solve a mystery, and i'm curious from your perspective and leading your team, what it's been like to try to get solid information? >> it's been difficult, and i think largely because the united states -- we have good contacts within the ntsb, the national transportation safety board and other agencies. worked with them during twa flight 800, through the value jet crash, through so many, and we have good friends and contacts who want to make sure we're not giving the public the wrong information. i don't think in this case they were as informed as they vd have been. and then we got information yesterday, and then today, everything officially shut down, yet the "new york times" got a very detailed leak. at nytimes.com, and catherine herridge got all this very

valuable information about this handshake and the way in which the plane was still communicating on a very -- almost like a baby communicating with mom. it was just the slightest thing, just bing, we're here. no information, no data. we're still flying. all of that is new, that we're getting this sort of thing. that says to me that american officials have now been informed and are involved. you're telling me we sent all of these resources to the indian ocean and we're not sure that that's where america thinks this thing is inthey wouldn't do that. >> can i jump in. we don't have a lot of time. but if all this information is correct, it made the left turn. it's got four or five hours of flying about 500 miles per hour. it's going to end up in the middle of the indian ocean. who takes over the search and rescue, the search at that point? can we make a case as americans that we'll take it from here because we have the best assets? >> we can make the case, but it's not our ball. it's their ball. you know, we're there to help them with it, but we can't do that. the malaysians are in charge of

this investigation unless and until the malaysians decide we need help. you know, dana was talking about face saving. it's part of the culture there. there would have to be a way for them to save face. i would believe based on the volume of information that we're getting that the americans are much more involved now than they're admitting. >> we're going to return to the search for the missing jet with shep next. stick around. ...return on investment wall isn't a street... isn't the only return i'm looking forward to... for some, every dollar is earned with sweat, sacrifice, courage.

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all right, we're back now with the fox news alert. we're back with shepard smith. let me ask you, when greg mentioned the payne stewart plane, that had a fixed -- the reason it kept flying is it had a flight plan and it kept going, and eventually, it ran out of fuel and crashed. in this case, the flight plan obviously was not followed. somebody or something had to alter the flight plan, correct? >> that's why this idea, this is where they lost contact, after apparently climbing at the end. then it made a turn. if you have a rapid depressurization in the cabin and that happens here, you have three seconds before you fall aslip. maybe you have programmed it a new flight pattern. maybe you're trying to head back to the airport. there's no explanation for this, none at all. everybody's, quote, asleep up there, that can't happen. i'm guessing that's why they're discounting it, that and the

fact it flew for four to five more hours. you would have had to programmed this in, and no pilot would have done that. >> the malaysians have said from the beginning of the week when the scenarios came up, they weren't right. they weren't accurate. now, we've got the malaysian military saying that they are accurate. does that mean that they're lying about it, trying to cover it up, or there was something nobody was talking to the right person? >> it seem s to me like the lef hand and right hand weren't working well together. they don't have a communications arm over there. from extensive reading on this, they don't have an extensive communications set-up. they have a free media, but by our standards, it isn't. and they're not used to being put on the spot like this. and i'm not sure all the data had been compiled. the reason we have this now is because there has been u.s. analysis completed today. i tell you another thing, everybody just got a leak in the last 30 minutes. kathericatherine herridge got te

"new york times" came out with it detailed information, our cable news competition has come out with its information and we now have that as well, which is two different scenarios now. the same thing where they take off here, head in this direction. i think i can draw on this. head in this direction, and this is where they lost contact, and then headed in this direction, right? at this point, off. at this point, there are two theories on what happened next and they're searching both areas. one is it went to the bay of bengal, which is sort of this direction. the other is it went south and east to the indian ocean. either way, they don't know what happened then except four or five hours later, it stopped. there are discussions being had about whether it may have landed on some island. i gotta tell you, at this point, those are just discussions. if they have that information, they have not shared it. >> shep, when it comes to the next wave of information that you can expect, so after the sun

comes up, do we have any sense from our military assets headed in that region, when we might find out more? will it be overnight, or i understand it could be days from now. do you have information about that? >> i don't. here's what i do have. that heir head today the indian ocean, that some, as bob mentioned accurately, are already there, and that there are a lot of assets here. 13 different countries are playing a part in this. but it's my sense that they're not focusing on the water and the land in a location from the air or a boat as much as they're trying to put all these different points of record on. what do we have from cambodia? what do we have from vietnam? what is available from thailand, singapore, malaysia. what is available here, and can they put it all together and then put a map together that makes some sort of sense? it appears they have done that, and it appears this is what they believe is the beginning. it's what happened from here they don't seem to know, and further, they don't know if somebody did this deliberately, though everyone with whom i have had contact seems to believe

that's where they're leading now. that said, we don't know. >> the last information we have was the communication, the good night from air malaysia. >> which is normal. >> to vietnam. >> when you're leaving one area if you're a pilot, you leave one area of control and you're about to leave them, you good night them. you're like, good night, talk to you later. see you whenever. then you go to the next area, like they would have been picked up next by another air traffic control center. you switch your freak wnlsy and say, it's 370. we're coming into your territory. good night and hello is not unusual. >> shep, let's reiterate to a lot of people, this information, we have an idea that it flew on for a while. also, that radar. very, very important. it was picked up on radar at some point in malaysian military, telling us it was radar, which means on some radar screens, that plane was in contact with someone. >> but they didn't know it was that plane because it wasn't sending out identifying marks.

they just have something in the air. a flock of birds can register on radar if it's big enough. it's not that they think that's what happened. the plane sent out something like your phone trying to connect to the verizon tower and it connects. you don't send the information, but it connect. they found that for four to five hours after. they put together ground radar, military civilian and satellite data which also picked it up, and i got it. >> i wanted to ask you a question. does that mean for the last week they have been searching an area where the plane wasn't? >> you know, we don't know where the plane is, but for the last week, they were working on data from over there and data from over here. a bit here and a piece there. they hadn't put it all together. it looks like they have. >> you want to say something? >> i was joking. >> thanks, shep. terrific. "the five" returns in a moment.

welcome back to "the five." we'll get final thoughts regarding the malaysia air flight mystery. >> quickly, say a prayer for the families with all of the misinformation, it has to be incredibly frustrating for those poor people. >> i want to add to that, speculation is just that, speculation. we don't know yet. >> i want to express admiration for the u.s. officials, both civilian and military working on this, because it takes a lot to make sure that your counterparts are assured of what they need of your cooperation and to try to keep us informed. >> funny that we say we shouldn't be speculating, but we are.

>> hopefully we'll be able to get more information with the latest communications and information we got from shepard smith. keep it on the fox news channel. we'll continue to bring you the latest info. don't forget to set your dvrs so you never miss an episode of "the five." i'm bret baier and this is a fox news alert. senior u.s. intelligence officials say there's a high probability that flight 370 crashed into the indian ocean. but that is still not definitive. the worldwide hunt for the malaysian airlines flight lost a week ago has reached a desperate point. investigators are pulling out all the stops. making use of technology in unprecedented ways. chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge has the breaking details. >> this is such an extraordinary case that tonight a u.s. official says investigators are using a new technology that was never designed for this purpose to help locate flight 370. while two