thursdays. ms. megyn is up next, i am bill o'reilly. please remember the spin stops right here because we are definitely looking out for you. there is breaking news tonight with new clues just coming in about what may have happened inside the missing malaysia airlines jet. reports indicate the plane wildwild ly ascended and descended. tonight we'll bring you coverage of the mysterious disappearance and the breaking news as i am joined by a whole team of aviation, naval and terror experts. but first we want to get you caught up on the latest developments some of which have

broken as we came on air. in addition to the information on the up and down movements of the plane, today, a station confirmed the plane contacted the network. the pings sent out could help the authorities find the trajectory and even the aircraft. we've learned the search area has expanded. to give you more on what they suspect take a look. at the last known position, the plane was at 35,000 feet. it is now thought the plane climbed to 45,000 feet well above the same limit prior to that. that is above the approved altitude limit. the plane is believed to have made a sharp turn left and then descended to below normal cruising levels. from there, the plane changed again, doing a drastic course

change heading away from its destination. while on board, the transmitters went dark, perhaps somebody turned them off. they did not all go off at the same time. but the plane appears to have gone north, these are the areas the authorities are focusing on now. joining me now, michael schmidt, a reporter with "the new york times." he broke a lot of this information today. michael, the most significant piece of news you broke today was the 45,000 feet, and then descending at 35,000 feet. walk us through what you think happened. >> as soon as it went off civilian radar it was picked up by malaysian military radar, and then as you said it went up to 45,000 feet. the height was very thin, the oxygen masks would have likely come down, and at some point the passengers could have died. you have it go up to 45,000

feet, then dropping down to 25,000 feet below where it should have been flying. and then it goes back up again. so as much as we wish it brought clarity to the situation, it just raises questions who was controlling the plane? >> did it ascend to 45,000 feet before or after the u-turn? >> before, but the confusing thing about it, it is moving back and forth, going west, northwest, and at the end of the day you have a plane that is erratic in its directions, going up and down the way the plane is not supposed to. and what raises questions is who was controlling the plane at that time? was it somebody who didn't know how to fly the plane? was it a pilot that had something happen to him that caused it? or was it a mechanical issue

with the pilots on board? there is so much here we don't understand. it is frustrating. >> the communication system also of the airline seemed to have been shut down sequentially? have we confirmed that tonight? we confirmed they did not go out in one fell swoop but sequentially? >> true, true, that raises the questions why did these things go off? and why did the plane go on for several hours to fly? if the plane had blown up these things would have gone off at the same time. and obviously the continplane continued as it did. i don't know, it is very frustrating. >> it certainly is, thank you, michael. a whole lot of theories and experts will join us tonight throughout the hour. gentlemen, thank you for joining us. i want to start with the pilots on what on earth would make a plane go up to 45,000 feet. rob mark, pilot, and aviation

journalist, your thoughts on that. >> well, actually the first thing i thought about when i heard that and i just heard it today. it sounds strange to me that as heavy as the plane was that it would have gotten to 45,000 feet. >> how could you make it do that? >> you would have to push the power in and bring the nose up. but again, when they get up that high and they're that heavy they don't climb very well. again, i know it is supposed to be -- the top end is supposed to be 41. it will climb a little bit above that. it would be struggling at that altitude. >> your thoughts on getting a plane up to 45,000 feet. >> that is a 777, the ceiling is 45,000 feet. i could put the plane at 38,000 feet, put the power to it. make it go up to the max speed, pull up slightly, i might get a zoom out of it. the airplane would become totally uncontrollable. you may even with the disturbance of air on the engine possibly flame out both engines. but the serious thing is you

would lose flight controls because the spread above that air speed is about ten miles per hour -- >> what does that mean? >> in other words, the airplane is flying so high the max performance of being able to stay in the air, and the speed controlled he would have, let's say 500 miles an hour, if he went 505, he would get a high speed buffet. if he went 490 miles an hour he could endanger the plane with a stall. but if he did anything like pulling the plane up with a zoom cloud for altitude, the airplane would become uncontrollable. >> and your thoughts on whether the passengers on board the airplane at 45,000 feet would have been getting oxygen in the manner we normally do when we fly. >> whether the passengers would get oxygen? >> yes.

>> that -- >> the pressurization system goes to a certain maximum differential. it would be up against the stops -- >> when we hear 45,000 feet does it sound like somebody who doesn't know what they're doing? >> this sounds like there is a problem with the systems perhaps. anything could be possible. but the guts of that airplane, the compartment down below, below the galley door, if something malfunctioned of a serious nature, a fire, they would have control issues. >> and "the wall street journal" reported that the satellite was still picking, this airplane up to five hours beyond the time it stopped communicating through its transponder. and yet they're now reporting in order to shut down the pinging, the communication with the

satellite, you would have had to go beyond the airplane, somebody that had sophisticated knowledge of the airplane, suggesting the plane may have not exploded. it may have had the satellite shut down intentionally over that sea. and if that is true for those of you guys who have flown these airplanes what does that tell you? jonathan gilliam, your thoughts on that. >> actually being an fbi agent i'm sitting here and watching all of these pilots. this is the best seat to have here. when i have one pilot nod his head or shaking his head, that is one pilot's opinion. but i have all of these pilots here making the same head movements. it is telling me it is valid to whatever that point is. i can tell you just from sitting here, when you pointed that out. a very good job of pointing it out i definitely see that some type of struggle happened. whether it was somebody in the cockpit or the pilots were struggling with the plane it

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zaha lots of breaking news in the last couple of hours in the mysterious disappearance of the malaysia airlines jet. "the wall street journal" and their reporter will join us in a moment. now quoting sources that say this now looks like a criminal investigation. my next guest believes the evidence looks like it was a hijacking. and that is not all. lieutenant general mcinerney is a fox news contributor, gentlemen, good to be with you tonight. why do you believe this is a hijacking? >> well, there are five data points, and now six as a result of what you all were talking about. but number one, we're sure that the air crew said when they were transferred over to vietnamese controls, they said through the melee, good night, and that is the last transmission we heard out of them. the next was the data point

number two, is the turn to the southwesterly direction. the third data point is the data reporting system goes out. update at 1:02 -- excuse me, 1:07, and then the transponder goes off at 1:21. so we have four clear data points that we know about, megyn, and the last four were reported by sources in the u.s. government. the fifth one is the pinging, of course on the satellite that we got for the next four hours. and that is the very interesting thing. and again that came from the u.s. source. and finally, this "the new york times" report that you all just got about the plane ascending, and descending, and finally the clearing that the pilots talked about. it was really maxing it out and

then going down to 23, i think that is why it went down to 23,000 feet, it started to stall. whether there was a fight going on, i don't know. >> general mcinerney, who would want this plane, and if it was a hijacking, do you believe it possibly landed someplace? >> i believe definitely it landed someplace. that, i do not know. i would look at all air fields, 7500 feet in length with a large ha ha hangar in pakistan and eastern tehran. i do not know why but i know they didn't go through all this activity in five hours through the end ocean, if they wanted to crash it they would have crashed it in the gulf of thailand. >> we know the fbi is involved in researching the background of the pilots. we know the ntsb is involved, as well. do we know whether or not any national security agencies are involved here in the united

states? >> well, i can't tell you specifically, but i know the u.s. government knows a lot more than they're talking about. and clearly, there is a lot of data that they're going through now and reporting through covert channels right now. but i'm confident the u.s. government has a much better picture than the malaysian government and the chinese government. >> wow. general mac, thank you. i want to bring back our panel now to join us, you're a former corporate pilot. how sophisticated would the person have to be, because more and more they're thinking about the pilots. how sophisticated would they have to be to disarm the transponder, disarm the communication system and then five hours later go into the belly of the plane and disarm whatever was communicating with the satellites? >> if this was a 9/11-style hijacking as some have proposed, remember, look how successful they were back then to carry out a successful plan 12 years ago.

now they have 12 years of training, could they imagine what they could do today to change that objective instead of crashing the airplane, taking the airplane, having hostages and then using that again. in order to turn off the transponder, you can either pull the circuit breaker or turn it off and change it out of mode c, the fact they both went off at different times -- >> let me ask you this, the satellite -- did you know as pilots the plane could be communicating with the satellite? if you pulled the transponder would you know the plane would be in communication with somebody, did you know you would be able to track your flight? >> on the engines you would. >> so it is possible that this pilot perhaps would have known that? >> sure, that is possible if they knew something about how the systems operated on the triple 7 and knew what kind of motors it had. and they knew they typically reported back to rolls royce, they would know it was going to happen. >> and we'll talk about that in the next section, more and more

this appears to be a criminal case. and they're taking a look at the pilots, who was on the passenger manifest, but why? why this region in the world. and what would be the goal here? where would they potentially be going? >> i think there are two things you can look at. one, the groups here in the area that have been involved in massive attacks in the past. recently there was a big attack with china, with a group at war with china, they consider themselves to be a separatist movement, they engaged in their biggest attack two weeks ago where they wanted to bring down a plane full of chinese. who is the target? if you brought down the plane and killed everybody on board you would be killing mostly chinese nationalist. you want to look at who would do that. >> no claim of responsibility. >> some groups take weeks, months before they say it was

them. >> and china came out with satellite photos and said look at the big pieces of the potential airplane and said oh, that was a mistake, we didn't mean to release it. it was nothing. and then, potentially an earthquake. our survey said no, it was not, it was not an earthquake. >> we know the malaysian government is upset at the chinese government for holding back information at this point in time. the chinese have better tracking, we have better stuff than the chinese so we're checking them to make sure what they pass forward is accurate. but there is a lot of misinformation, raising the possibility that they're trying to not look foolish to the world -- >> i think that point is very important. it sounds -- i'm just speaking from a pilot perspective that all the misinformation or the you know, red herrings, maybe they are hiding something.

maybe there was somebody inside the malaysian organization somewhere that is involved with this whole thing that made this happen. i mean, even i am beginning to be suspect on this. i mean, it just doesn't seem to make a lot of sense here. >> what seems clear from the reporting tonight whoever was controlling the aircraft knew a lot about the triple 7 and how to control it, rightly or wrongly. and so the speculation is did the pilots have something to do with it and who on board might have? up next, we're going to take a closer look at that. we have new question about the malaysian government's handling of this. the theory on what might have happened and why the malaysians may want to hide it. and as the focus intensifyies o the pilot and co-pilot, we'll look at the theory that suggests these men -- there may be cause to investigate them further. let's put it that way. that is next. ♪

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on the missing plane to the. this time on what could be the two most important people in this mystery. the pilot and co-pilot now a major focus for investigators. trace gallagher has more in the west coast news room, trace? >> and megyn, the more we learn about the flight path and variations in altitude and shutdown of communications the more investigators are focusing on the possibility that a trained pilot may very well have still been in control of this aircraft. so let's begin with the captain, 53-year-old zaharie shah, who has been flying more than 30 years, he is a grandfather, a flight instructor, who actually built a flight simulator inside his home using tv monitors and video games. listen now to him giving handyman tips with the simulator as a back drop, play this.

>> this video is to be used to optimize, in order to reduce your electric bill. >> now to the first officer, 27-year-old fariq hamid who just graduated to the cockpit of the triple 7. his family and friends say he is a good son, a great muslim, recently engaged. but this week, a passenger said on an earlier flight he invited her and another passenger inside the cockpit and flirted with them. that is not a violation here in the united states but when malaysia air found out about it, they were shocked. and it opens the possibility of the pilots allowing somebody else into the cockpit. investigators are looking into the pilots' psychological background and family backgrounds although we don't have evidence that anything was

seized. remember, the final words in the cockpit were all right, good night. what we do not know, megyn, is who said the final words. >> trace, thank you, our panel is back. captain nash, if these pilots or somebody else on board the plane who knows how to fly airplanes took own the cockpit, how would they have managed to do it in a post-9/11 environment? i mean, to keep everybody silent, to not have anybody rush the cockpit, to get away with it? >> if they wanted to make sure nobody in the cabin came forward to cause a problem like the plane that fell to the ground in pennsylvania, all they had to do was make sure everybody on it was on oxygen. >> the pilot can turn that manually? >> he can turn off the pressurization, and at that point you go to 35,000 feet ambient, and then shortly after that everybody goes to sleep.

you wind up dying of oxygen starvation. >> so you basically kill the entire group and then fly the plane. >> you think this was catastrophic mechanical failure, why? >> i won't discount the possibility of a hijacker, that is a totally inadequate pilot. the way i see it i have yet to hear from the malaysian authorities what was in the cargo of the airplane. >> they're talking about possible lithium cargo -- >> how does that explain the transponder going off, 14 oth-- minutes. >> if you had a detonation, and immediate depressurization of

the plane but you did not immediately destroy the air frame, those -- it could progress over a few minutes in a time where you would lose both of those depending on what was happening in the belly -- >> are you suggesting the plane could have been in auto pilot with everybody on board dead? wow, does anybody else believe it was a possibility? >> possibility. >> there was an air-worthiness that came out on the triple 7 recently, there is no way that asia air could comply with it. it warned of corrosion -- >> why would that shut down the communications system. let me ask you, as an investigator, that seems like such a red flag. >> the way the investigation unfolds is you have many, many different pieces of many different pictures. when you get one piece you just have a piece of the picture you don't really know what it is.

you want to find another piece, once you do that you start to develop leads that point in a direction. and i'm hearing what all of these pilots are saying. what i'm concentrating on with this investigation is how many of these pieces can we fit together to start giving a picture? and the picture we're having right now when you take all of the his t -- his taxpa hysteria -- >> before we go to break, raise your hand if you think that there is a possibility that the people on board the aircraft are still alive? a couple, all right, we'll have more on that in just a bit. up next, "the wall street journal" reporter who broke a lot of news, including the moments before we came to air. we'll have him with the latest. and also, our chief national

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that's what matters the mo breaking tonight, brand-new details on the last known moves of the missing malaysia airlines plane. the malaysian military says they tracked the plane after it dropped off civilian radar. new information showing three sudden altitude places, first, while ascending above a safe limit then plunging 10,000 feet before rising again, then the plane appears to have sig -- zig-zagged. and joining us, he has broken a lot of news on this. andy as i read your latest report, the headline to me is they are sharpening their focus

on sabotage, and that there are strong indications that one or more people on the plane deliberately changed the course and tried to mask the location. explain. >> that is right, as investigators try to put together this puzzle, they're looking in a series of what looked like suspected deliberate actions by whoever or whatever group was in control of the aircraft. we already knew that in the space of five hours three signaling systems on the aircraft were disabled or stopped working. but now we're reporting on our website and in tomorrow's paper that it appears from the information the investigators have that after the plane stopped communicating with air traffic controllers someone put in manual commands for a sharp left turn which would of course indicate this was no accident at that point and somebody was in control of the aircraft. and secondly, about five hours after that occurred it appears from what the investigators have put together preliminarily, someone would have had to leave

the cockpit and climb down into the electronics bay underneath, on the lower level of the aircraft in order to disable the last signaling system and to stop all signals coming from the aircraft. >> that is huge, that is huge, wait, i want to ask you about that. thus far many assumed that the reason the plane stopped communicating in the second part of the journey was it went down in the ocean. now you're telling me they are doing further investigation and are pursuing the theory that in fact it was a manual disassociation of that last communication with the satellite. and this plane may have continued flying. >> well, let's be clear. this is one aspect of the investigation. it could be that the plane crashed after the last signal for whatever reason. but another part of this investigation is that someone would have had to disable that last signaling system purposely to hide its location as it continued to fly. it still would have had fuel and

tanks to continue to fly after that point. so that -- >> how much fuel do they believe they had on board at that point? >> depending on how fast it went through its trip and the altitude at which it flew, i would say significantly less than an hour. but maybe closer to an hour depending on how to trip went. >> before i let you go was there anybody on land, in which the aircraft could have landed within an hour on that spot? >> well, i think there are, but could they have been observed by some kind of systems on the ground. the air traffic control systems or missile defense systems or some other kind of systems. and if you land the aircraft you need a long runway, or to go off course an even longer runway. i think that is possible. but still the most likely scenario the investigators are looking at is that somehow this aircraft ended up in the water but of course we don't have any

debris. >> thank you so much, andy, great reporting. >> thank you. and joining me, vernon gross, great to see you tonight. vernon, as you look at this you believe that it is very possible that whoever was in charge of that aircraft may have intentionally killed the passengers on board. why do you think that? >> well it has already been mentioned tonight that they could have taken the aircraft sufficiently high that the people would have suffered hypoxy and they would be dead. however, i would like to represent the ntsb here tonight. and the ntsb is interested in only one thing, that is what. not why. tonight a lot of discussions are on why. and what we first have to find is the location. the discussion tonight is leading to finding that location. because the airplane has been down now for four or five days already. so it is where it is. now, what we have to do is find

it. and once we find it if we get the recorders we'll then learn what. and learning what we'll be able to progress to why. >> how credible do you believe it is at this point that the plane just suffered a catastrophic mechanical failure, period? >> i initially thought that with the dribbling amount of evidence they gave us. but now i changed my mind. i don't think that is true. i think the aircraft lasted beyond the point at which the transponders went off. >> and what do you o-- as you ty to investigate that how closely is as an ntsb guy would you be looking at the pilots and people on board? do we automatically go to the pilots, in other words? >> well, yes, but our reason for going to these people is not to indict them but to find out how they are leading the aircraft to where we can find it. because the key here is still to find the wreckage, wherever it is. >> do you believe the crew is still alive? >> more than likely not would be my position on that.

>> vernon, thank you. i want to bring back our panel. let me ask you, your take on all of this in particular "the wall street journal" information. how they believe somebody five hours into the journey, manually discommunicated the systems. >> i'm a historian, and i'm very familiar with the amelia earhardt disappearance. and the circumstances were incredible. there was an extensive search, no wreckage was found, then electronic communication from the airplane was heard that indicated that the airplane was in that case down someplace. i see all of this with that historical perspective. and i remember the mistakes that were made in the search for earhardt. the assumptions were made. the government reports and

information was accurate. and what i think were correct interpretations were later abandoned because of that report. >> that is a good point, because one of the things we're all assuming, the pings going westward, thanks to the satellites, are correct. and if that is not correct the jet may have never veered off the course -- >> well, here is a scenario, we take a flight, take it out west. a and look at what everybody is saying. they looked at the trajectory of the aircraft and said it must have crashed somewhere in the indian ocean. yes, so somewhere they shut this system down, why did they shut the system down? it could be they wanted to establish a flight path that everybody would think that they were on, disable the system, go totally dark, turn around and come right back to land. >> that is how it sounds based on the journey's reporting. >> absolutely, that is a viable solution based on what is being reported. everybody bought into it, indian

ocean. >> but wait, let me ask you -- >> the scenario, those people were trained to turn the airplane left, right and head to buildings. that is all they knew how to do. this is incredible, this is tom clancy stuff to be able to go downstairs, disable equipment that i have to be able to go to a check list to find and to be able to land the plane in a remote spot that none of us can seem to find, where are you going to hide -- >> my question is, if the plane never headed east and never made a u-turn, then why are you sending a destroyer to the indian sea? because the u.s. government appears to believe this thing is off the west coast of malaysia. >> the united states has -- we have some very good intelligence gathering capabilities. the straits of malacca is very important for air time security. >> but the answer is, we believe the he u-turn.

>> i don't think we would dispatch a destroyer on a willy nilly chase. i think the information indicates something happened out in their direction. they're not just having the guys rage around the ocean to build sea time. they're out there, they're going to start looking. here is the thing. if that airplane is in the water it has an emergency locater transmitter and the flight data recorders have acoustic pingers on them. now, if something is down there on the water and actively pinging, the sensors on the subs and machines will find it. >> let's hope you're right. much more with our panel, up next what the united states military is saying. why the search area is moving and more on this breaking news that someone may have intentionally disabled the last communication system five hours after the plane went dark. sked a simple question: in retirement, will you outlive your money?

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technology never designed for this purpose to help find flight 370. the satellite communication link was not immediately disabled on flight 370, with u.s. officials saying it can't be switched off manually by the cockpits. once an hour it resets, allowing the satellite to find the right tilt to hit the aircraft transmitter as the flight progresses. the satellite reset on 370 did not communicate data but it continued for about five hours after the transponders went dark and this indicates the jet was still operating. while the satellite data does not provide altitude, speed and location investigators hope the satellite tilt information will narrow the scope of the search. and today, the white house says that the president is getting regular updates. >> he is fully aware of it and has been briefed on it and knows where things stand. and he, too, is very concerned about the suffering of the families, what they have to endure in a situation like this

and very concerned about the whereabouts of the plane. >> but six and a half hours into the flight the satellite link also went dark with u.s. officials offering a number of scenarios early today. the jet crashing and the power being disrupted, 370 going into the ocean. or the possibility it landed and the power was shut down. and now tonight, we've heard a fourth possibility from "the wall street journal," megyn. wow, catherine, thank you. we're back with our panel, you say this is like a spy movie if the pilot got control of the aircraft, went up, went down, followed the right coordinates. so what do you think happened then? >> i go back to my statement, where something catastrophically occurred. where the guys tried to handled it and the system down below is disabled in a particular way you're losing control of the airplane. >> well, over the five hours -- >> i'm not sure, i believe the

data that it flew, for five hours, i'm very skeptical because it has been so fragmented. i don't know what to believe here, i'm sure my colleague feels the same way. >> i don't believe there is anybody on board the airplane alive. >> after the initial what -- >> after the initial, whatever it was, detonation, or whatever it was that happened to the airplane. >> how did the airplane turn? >> well, any number of things could have happened in that -- when that airplane starts coming apart partially. so the controls are impacted. >> what points -- >> the computer, that were not part of the initial flight. how did they get in there? according to these reports the airplane hit four different coordinates. lat/longs. >> how did an airplane ever start to fall?

if you're at 29,000 feet, that is going to be a debris field. you will have fields, that is 600,000 pounds of airplane. it would have to be raining aluminum. >> you believe it flew five hours west? >> yes, i do. >> one thing to go along with that is if this is terrorism, and terrorism is unconventional war fare. we're not seeing evolution in terrorism. this has not been done before. but with unconventional war fare is the unconventional tactics, if somebody landed that plane, something that large, if i trip over a cell phone it will be on youtube. >> the old paradigm for hijacking used to be a plane full of live people and negotiate. you have a plane full of chinese nationals, they're much more

worth while to you alive, why take down this plane? jihadists have not gone about this quite that way. >> is it what hard to get an airplane. >> there were people that maybe had a bomb on it that they said we will detonate this unless you make this turn, and maybe there was a scuffle. >> and if they have had a ransom note. >> i think this comes down to as a naval aviator, as the cops say, mean, motive, opportunity. why did they want that airplane? if it was human caused, and i believe it was, if they wanted that airplane badly enough to go to this extremes to get it. >> show of hands before we go to break. how many of you believe we'll find that plane in whatever condition it is now in. wow, almost all of you except the front row. interesting, clearly we've gotten to the critical part of the debate, the evidence of

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so they will dial the number, press the send button and it starts to ring. family who is calling their family members on the plane think their phone is ringing. but it is not. it is not like a home phone. >> i get that. i get that. that speaks to the ringing. but why wouldn't the cell phones be telling investigators where these people who are holding the cell phones are? like 9/11, they sent messages and the messages got off to the people on the ground. >> that is true, but 9/11, the flights were a lot lower and they had connection to the cell phone towers. these planes are way high up in the air, 10,000 feet, 15,000 feet you lose signal. you don't have connection to the cell phone tower. if you don't have connection to the cell phone tower you're out of touch. there is slow just no connection. so unfortunately that is why the phone rings and then eventually cuts off when people are calling it. >> can't get anything from it. jeff, thank you, we'll be right back with a final thought from our panel right after the break.

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>> wow. >> let me -- >> 15 seconds. >> i worked with the malaysian government for several years. now, the only thing i have to criticize the malaysian government now is what is in the cargo hold. >> i got to leave it now guys, great job, see you next week. now this is a fox news alert and welcome to day seven of the greatest airline mystery in history. now, we have all the angles covered throughout tonight. we will talk to all the people who have flown the triple 7, and to co-pilots and pilots. we turn to fox's own shepard smith inside his studio tonight. >> sean, we have more tonight and it makes more sense and we believe the reason why the american authorities are much more involved. now quietly behind the scenes our sources are talking. and i believe the headline is, it is becoming more and more apparent and more and more of