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this is a fox news alert. new details into missing malaysia airlines flight 370. the investigation now criminal. hello and welcome to justice. i'm jeanine pirro. it's been eight days since the flight carrying 239 people disappeared. the malaysian prime minister now says the jet was deliberately diverted. with the latest on the investigation, mike cohen is in the philippines. mike? >> what we've seen here in the philippines is malaysian police searching the home of the pilot
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and co-pilot. they have found a flight simulator inside the home of the co-pilot as well as a history of him allowing people to go into the cockpit. pictures they found in his home, we're learn iing now tontd out malaysia monitored here, so hearing what the police are saying now is who ever took the plane did not know that the aircraft can give a ping every 30 minutes the aircraft is in the air. >> mike, let me ask you this. what significance do the malaysian authorities give to the fact that one of the pilots had a simulator in his home? >> well, that's not criminal. he is a pilot. he is a right to practice. either the pilot or co-pilot had anything to do with the aircraft at this point.
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they are also checking with passenger lists for anyone else who was on board, but what they believe now is two things. one, it was either personal via you know, an emotional problem of somebody on board or a topic with the motive here, judge. >> well, if you say, mike, it was just today they searched the homes of the two pilots, it's been eight days since this happened. isn't there you know, wasn't there cause to go into these homes earlier? >> none of this seemed at the time. everybody thought the plane had gone down. so at this point, warrants had been issued. they go through the same legal process we go through in the united states. judges, lawyers, the whole process and now, the criminal investigation side is the part looking into the background of all of the people on board the aircraft. >> and mike, do you know whether
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or not the malaysian government has released the passenger manifest? the names of everyone, all the passengers on that aircraft? >> yes. but unfortunately, we also know from that manifest, two of those people were using fake passports, so how good that would be at this point in time with the fact two people died on board, we don't know. >> all right. mike, thanks so much. >> and with me now, retired air force colonel, dan hampton. dan has won several, what is it, distinguished crosses. you've gone to top gun school, army, navy. you know a lot about these airlines, a lot about flying. what do you think happened to this plane? >> i said on friday that i
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believe the focus should have shifted within a day or so from an accident investigation to something deliberate. i don't know of any commercial or military pilot that believed this was an accident after the first 24 hours. >> why? >> so, it's a bit of a mystery to me. there was no debris. none of the normal things that happen when there's an accident. everything we know for sure points to somebody in the dock point, i'm not saying it was one of the two pilots, somebody who knew what they were doing. turning off a transponder is not a big deal, but disables the data link system and some of those other things, has to be done deliberately. you don't just flip the switch. >> and that is in the cockpit, is that correct, colonel? >> that's right and so is the emergency locater transmitter, the elt, that activates automatically if the plane crashes. it can be disabled on the
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overhead panel right above the pilot's seat, but again, it's something somebody would have to have specialized knowledge for. >> go ahead. >> no, i'm sorry. >> if you say that everyone you know within 24 hours thought there was a problem here for all of the reasons you've indicated, what has taken so long? isn't it a fact that the malaysian military knew that from some of the beams or beacons that this plane was going in another direction and was not down? >> yeah, and remember, you've got to not think about this like a european or an american and i don't mean to sound condescending, but they don't do things over there the way we do. that's been an ongoing theme throughout this. we've seen the malaysian investigation conducted in sort of a haphazard manner and that's exactly what's happeneded. there isn't really anybody running that thing. like i said on friday, if i wanted to disappear an airplane,
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i would take it out into the southern indian ocean because there's nothing there. one other thing i think they need to look into while getting around to the passenger manifest, is that 777s carry a couple of jump seats that people can use to go from place to place and if somebody was part of a larger plan or had a personal this thing down, it's conceivable they showed up at the last minute with this plan in mind and were able to ride in the cockpit as a pilot and then take care of this plane the way they wanted to and nobody would know if they didn't show up on the official manifest. >> i guess it's not uncommon, but it's a practice called deadheading, where a pilot will go to an airline, they have an extra seat and if they show credentials, they get to ride in the jump seat, which is generally in the cockpit. now, wouldn't that person though listen in the manifest?
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>> it would in a western or european airline. malaysian air, you know, who knows what they're doing. these are guys that let people into the cockpit that automatic flight deck door that locks automatically, people come and go all the time in there. their standards are a lot more lax than ours are. i'm not saying this is probable, but it's possible. >> what about when we talk about someone getting into the cockpit? we both know the cockpit in a 777, one of the safest aircrafts in the air is incredibly robust and strong and all that stuff. but is there an automatic lock on that door, every one of these planes, does it depend on the country that the plane is sold to? >> of course it can be locked
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when it's shut and would take explosives to get into that thing. a good friend of mine, dr. george nally, says you have to use explosives to get into the door and if you did that, you'd have to bring the plane down. so either somebody got in or was able to get in and it had to be somebody qualified to fly in type of airplane and that narrows the list to what we're looking for. >> and where do you think that plane is now? >> i hate to dash hopes and i have to keep reminding myself that there are some 200 families out there that there is a personal issue for, but the simple and most direct answer is that it's out to sea. for some reason, if it was a terrorism event, i believe we would have known unless it's part of a larger, more sinister plot. i don't think it's over the
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asian mainland. there are too many radars that would have painted the thing. i think it's out to sea. >> thanks so much for being with us this evening. >> thanks for having me back at night this time. >> and coming up, new details emerge about the pilots of the missing flight 370. who were they? and tell us in tonight's pole, what do you think happened to the missing malaysian airlines plane? facebook or tweet me. some time?
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and tonight, into the investigation of the missing malaysian airline. malaysian police today searcheded the homes of the pilots, while there is an increased focus on those in the cockpit. here with the latest, fox news'
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on dominic. good evening. >> the focus is going on who was in the cockpits and what they were up to at the time. u.s. officials are now doing background checks on absolutely everybody who was on flight 370, but yet, the pilot and the captain and his first officer, very much in focus. you're looking at the captain now. he's 52 years old and is definitely aviation enthusiast. it's a passion in his life. behind him, he's in front of a homemade flight simulator. which is an extraordinary piece of technology to construct at his home. he's married. he's got three kids. he comes from a good neighborhood. lives in a gated community
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outside kuala lumpur and is trusted by his neighbors. seeps like a safe pair of hands. however, they're digging through his family background and will try and get some sort of psychological breakdown of what he's like. really, it's the first officer and that very peculiar photograph of him posing with those two teenage blonds. why would he let someone like that in the cockpit and that behavior really does cause question marks to be raised. >> was the captain or the first officer, was he living in you said a gated community. is there anything to suggest he was living above his means or the standard of living that he should have been living? >> he would have certainly been paid well by malaysian airlines
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standards. just by national standards, a high poverty level in the country. he's a young guy, only 27 and was considering getting married. he had a good career. and looking at the lifestyle that he can have with that kind of money. he would have been paid international style wages. he probably was living in his means. he was very young and didn't have much experience. >> when you say they're now investigating earn on the plane, can we even been comfort bable with that, given the fact there were two passengers we know of who had stolen passports? >> wasn't just the stolen passports. there were people on the plane who had dual nationalities, so he may have been chinese on paper. they could have another nationality entirely and the background checks he's doing, not just the malaysian officials doing it, but the american as
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well. the fbi and whatever the ntsb may be able to help with. >> and what about chinese authorities? given the fact most of the people on board were of chinese orgin, what role is china playing right now? >> well, china being the strongest player of the neighborhood out to china sea, is putting immense pressure on the malaysians and they don't seem to be up to the task to conduct this investigation effectively at all. for example, took them a week to turn up at the houses of the pilots and start doing searches, so the chinese, the flight was in bound to beijing originally, was on to the soon as possible. so the come bbination of the u. know how and nts bb, hopefully, we'll get answers soon. maybe just maybe while we're getting the malaysians to open up because you know, asian
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culture is very differential. that's one reason we don't get the information so fast. >> it's interesting. that's the exact question i asked earlier, that is why did it take them so long to search the home for the pilots. whether it's about the culture or being differential, the bottom line, there's a lot more information. thanks so much. >> thanks. and coming up, where is malaysian airlines flight 370? the latest in the search. stay with us. [ music and whistling ] when you go the extra mile to help business owners save on commercial auto insurance, you tend to draw a following. [ brakes screech ] flo: unh... [ tires squeal, brakes screech, horn honks ] ooh, ooh! [ back-up beeping, honking ] a truckload of discounts for your business -- now, that's progressive.
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it's been more than a week since malaysian flight 377 disappeared. with me now, michael kay, whose
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been on several boards of inqui inquiry. everything about what we originally thought is now in question. and the orangeal thinking that this plane probably was involved in some kind of catastrophic disaster and went into the water is now the case anymore. no one believes that anymore, but we now know that the aircraft is pinging for seven hours after it last lost contact with after it made communication. what do you think happened to this plane? >> just to pick up on 43 countries, 53 aircraft, this is a huge man hunt. i've been on two boards of inquiry, flown over 20 careyeard have never seen anything like this. the points you raise are really valid in terms of where is this
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aircraft, but i want to dispel a few sort of worries. there are processes an aircraft has to go through before entering a country's sovereign air pace. one, a flight plan. establishing communications. if it doesn't have a flight plan or establish communications and you see this blip coming across the boarderborder, then that so territory is likely going to do something about it quickly. osama bin laden raid, you have to two going across the border, then within two minutes, two f-16s were interrogating it. >> the point you're making is a good one, that everyone is protective of their own sovereign territory. all right, what was the problem here, it was headed toward lay
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beijing going northwest or in a southerly direction. how come no one picked that up? transponders are off. how come they didn't pick that one up? >> it's the million dollar question. for me, there are three things that are highly likely. you've got hijack, sabotage and a mechanical failure, where the crew aren't aware of what's going on. air france 447, the instruments aren't responding, the crew get into a catastrophic storm. there's no distress call, no may day call, no 770 on the transponder and therefore, it crashed into the sea. this is now different. we know that the aircraft has gone to acertain point across the south china sea and simultaneously, the transponder has been turned off and headed
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towards the malacca strait. the last ping was at 8:11 a.m., which is two hours after the scheduled landing time of it landing in beijing. >> and you know, given that, there is now a confirming i believe, a confirmation that the malaysian military knew that this plane was flying. it didn't scramble any jets, even though it was making all these rather unusual turns. is that, does that pique your c curiosity? >> in some ways, it doesn't. it has four unique digits. so, if i'm the pilot of the 370 heading towards china, as i'm approaching chinese sovereign air space, chinese radar is going to say to me, hey, 370, squawk 2614 for identification. when you get i.d.ed, they clear
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it into air space. now, as soon as that goes off, that unique identifier has now gone and if you imagine, there are lots of flights crossing the south china sea. lots of private aircraft out there. simple radar will just pick up lots of blips on the radar. >> what they're telling us now is that the malaysian military picked up the blips and we know it was this plane. the 777. if both are true, why didn't they go check it out because there was no plan of this plane going on that route. >> it's very hard to distinguish what an aircraft is on a radar screen without a unique identifier. >> are you saying is what is the radar of this flight 370 could be the radar of indeed another plane? >> absolutely. for me, there's no way, unless you're communicating with an aircraft or that aircraft is squawking a unique number, it's
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almost impossible to tell because there's loads of aircraft flying in the region. it's very hard to tell unless you're talk talking to it, this is the whole point of the transponder. it identifies the aircraft. >> they turned it off because that was an intentional act. you're going to be joining us later in the show, so stay with us. coming up, the mystery deepens. why did it fly for seven hours after the last recorded contact? stay with us. that's next. [ female announcer ] who are we?
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flying for nearly seven hours after its last contact with ground control. the plane took off at 12:41 a.m. headed to china. at 1:07 was the last known verbal contact. someone, assuming it was the pilot, said, all right, good night. then the plane drops off radar and new today, we get word from the malaysian prime minister that there was a final communication, a ping, at 8:11 a.m., so it appears the plane had been flying for hours and during that time, there's reportedly data showing various changes in altitude, which leads some aviation experts to this county collusion. >> those erratic changes suggest to me there was some sort of struggle from inside the aircraft. maybe a fire or a struggle with possible hijackers.
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>> now, malaysian authorities have refocused their investigation. they're looking into the 239 crew and passengers on board. today, police searched the home of the pilot. co-workers say he loved flying and spent his time tested a flight simulator at home. malaysian airline officials say they do not believe he would have sabotaged the flight. officers also searched the home of the 27-year-old co-pilot. so far as the search evolves into and around the indian oc n ocean, police have not released any details about anyone on the flight who had a connection to a terror group or psychological problems and anxious families of those on board await some kind of word on day eight of the search for the missing plane. >> molly, you talked about that last pick -- i'm going now go to
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eric, eric, terrorism analyst is with us. sorry about that, eric. you heard what molly was saying and you know, she said that at 8:11, there was a ping and that that ping is recognized by malaysian officials as having come from flight 370 and i just had a guest on in the block before this, who said that they really can't be sure that the ping is from this 777 given the fact that the transponders were off and that the data on our cell phone. >> first of all with malaysian authorities and the way they've handled this, i think it's pretty outrage it took malaysia to search the homes. really, 24 hours after this flight went missing, it pretty much became apparent that
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something was up here and the first folks you would look at were the people in the cockpit piloting the plane. i think it's pretty disgraceful the way the malaysians have handled. this seems like every angle but a hijacking or terrorism. if they want to avoid getting egg on their face, too late, because it's there. >> the pilot should have been investigated immediately and apparently, the two guys, the fbi says oh, they're not a problem either. now, we know this is a criminal investigation. something was going on. just give us an idea of terrorism in that area. most of the passengers on board with chinese. the malaysian airlines, what's going on here? >> there is a history in southeast asia of number one al-qaeda involvement. in 2000 in kuala lumpur, we saw
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a plot carried out, thankfully not carried out, but planned by the 9/11 master mind khalid shaikh mohammed to hijack 11 airplanes in southeast asia. some of the 9/11 hijackers passed through that country. if we are considering the terror angle, in western china, where this plane may have been diverted we're founding out, there was a group called the uighurs. they want to break away from china. form their own islamic state and if you want to make political statement against the chinese government, no better way to do it than to hijack a beijing bound plane. >> the problem is, they're not taking credit and if they want to get attention for who they are, these uighurs, wouldn't they have taken credit for this? >> well, judge, a few things here. one, they may still have the plane. probably unlikely, but who
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knows. if it was unsuccessful, say the plane went down and -- they'd be quite embarrassed. >> thanks so much. and with me now, former assistant director of the fbi and my friend, james couch. all right, jim, what happened to this plane? >> who knows. >> looks like more someone took over the air traft. one of those two, might have been a struggle in the plane. the proceediedures, they don't follow. so maybe they came out for a cup of coffee and opened the door and would allow someone in. but to fly for another seven hours after that, if you're going to take over the plane and crash it somewhere, why not flay back to where you came from and crash it. what are you doing for seven hours flying around?
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so, they had to have a plan. i mean, these people had to have some kind of an operation in mind. they're probably not stupid. >> no one has really talked about who was on that plane. you know, was there anyone of any significance from the chinese government, a high ranking government official or was the cargo was on that plane. we're kind of guessing, was it terrorism, but you've got a lot of experience in this area. are the malaysians a little behind? >> i think so. there would be a manifest for the cargo, but even with -- we weren't sure. that stuff isn't checked. if it comes from a reliable freight border. we have a clue what's in those boxes. i'm sure over there, who knows what's in the belly of that plane. that's kind of farfetched, but could be they wanted something on the plane. i don't give a whole lot of
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credence to the man faes. >> right, especially given the fact that two of the people on the plane weren't who their passports said they were. given the fact there was an american on this plane, it is an american aircraft made here, doesn't this give us the able toy get more involved as opposed to waiting a week, then saying, oh, gee, that thing was going and we think it went northwest? >> i think we're too polite. >> to them. >> too polite to them. i think any information we know now is coming from our assets. you know, the intelligence community, nsa, cia, fbi. they're really talked into this thing. >> they're the best. >> they're best in the world and i guarantee you, 90% of what we know and we don't know a lot, but what we know has come from those. >> mentioned the strait of malacca, and it's my understanding that the united states has, we have satellites
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over that area because it is this crucial connection between southeast and southwest asia where you know, irrespective of this flight, that we would know exactly what was going on in there because international -- >> i only say this because i've seen a lot of this stuff, but i have no inside knowledge of what i'm about to say, okay? it wouldn't surprise me if the plane was on the deck somewhere and we know it's there. >> exactly, they know more than they're telling us. not just the malaysian, but the americans. >> they know tons more than they're saying. >> what about the families? aren't they entitled to some closure? >> for the families, i hope the plane's on the deck and i hope they're alive. i don't know. but and i don't know if those pings actually identify the aircraft. and one of your guests before, when you see those long range
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radars, all you see is blips. they could be birds, all kinds of thing. >> exactly. >> i don't think it actually is a positive i.d. >> but can you believe in this day and age, this plane, it weighs something like 600,000 pounds, that it could just disappear? we've got the nsa going looking at everything we're doing and we can't find this big plane. but we can't go there. >> i want to talk to you about that. >> i bet you do. great to see you. former head of the fbi. all right, coming up, why malaysia will say almost ng about the missing jet and could the u.s. be doing more? and vote in tonight's poll. what do you think happened to the missing malaysian airlines plane? facebook or tweet me. so our business can be on at&t's network for $175 a month? yup. all 5 of you for $175. our clients need a lot of attention. there's unlimited talk and text.
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the investigation into malaysian flight 370 has been so confused right from the start. our politics in malaysia, china and even the united states to blame. with me, john bolton. ambassador, thank you so much for being with us. i wanted very much to talk to you about this. you probably have a better grasp on this an anyone. what is going on? people have to know more than they're telling us.
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i just said to jim couchen, the nsa knows my password, they know when my dog goes out. you tell me 600,000 pounds of an airplane, it can just disappear off the face of the earth? >> i'm afraid that's exactly where we are. i am sure, well, i guess i should say i'm hopeful, that our government has more information than they've revealed publicly, and there's a reason to keep what they know quiet. we can't come to any conclusions and i think part of the problem is that the united states government and senior political levels did not -- it's clear the malaysian government is not up to this. it's clear other governments may have things to hide. the united states really has the biggest stake. we should have at the senior
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level, been more involved. i think at working levels of the u.s. government, they're probably looking at it care fri from the get go, but the war on terror is over. what could go wrong? >> is that what you meant when you said that the united states government knows more and isn't sharing all of that with us? is there a good reason and what would it be? >> until we can identify the plane, the remains or we get some better handle, the possibility remote though it may be, that there's still a plot underway means that it would be a big mistake for the united states of anything else to tell the plotters that we have even a clue, far better to act on it than talk about it. >> what about the united states? we didn't jump in right away. it's an american made aircraft. we've got three americans on board.
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clearly, we have the best capabilities of anyone in the world to get information and to call something like this. why did we hang back? all three of those are good points. international air traffic is critical to commerce. i think the ice really had enormous interest and i think the administration for fear of acknowledging that perhaps it was a terrorist, that perhaps it involved islamic terrorists, drew back and at the top levels, just did not want to give the impression this is as serious as it may turn out to be. >> what about the theory that the plane went down and there was a catastrophic event? i know you're not a pilot, ambassador, but i believe it was reported in "the new york times" that the malaysian military knew that or got radar from this
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plane and as opposed to scrambling jets or doing anything, they just ignored it. why didn't they tell us that? if they thought it went northwest, why are we all looking southeast? >> well, this is a good point for people who say oh, that plane can't escape national military radar systems, well, it apparently sailed right through malaysia's radar system and nothing happened. it's also an example of what we lose in terms of time and investigative lead by the united states having come back. there's a point where you shouldn't be entirely polite and you need to go to the malaysians and say, you've got to tell us what you know, we'll help you out however you can. you've got to start sharing intelligence and start sharing with us. we've had the satellite images of what were supposed to be
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images of wreckage of the plane. we're the ones who can really do this. we should have been in it earlier. >> i couldn't agree more. thanks so much. and coming up, could the pilots or hijacker have land ed this plane? i'll ask a pilot who has actually flown 777s next. and what do you think happened and what do you think happened to the missing so, i'm working on a cistern intake valve, and the guy hands me a locknut wrench. no way! i'm like, what is this, a drainpipe slipknot? wherever your business takes you, you can se money with progressive commercial auto. [ sighs ] [ flo speaking japanese ] [ shouting in japanese ] we work wherever you work. now, that's progressive. call or click today. ♪
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welcome back to our special two-hour edition of "justice." the world watches as an investigation in to missing malaysian airlines flight. 0. could one of the pilot or hijacker landed the plane? if so, where might it be.
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former boeing 777 instructor and united airlines pilot captain ross. thank you for being with us this evening. you know the plane better than most. can it just disappear? >> normally they don't, judge. good evening. but apparently this one did somewhere in thin air. >> where do you think it is? >> you know, i wish i knew. at this point, nobody really knows, and i liked what your former guest, jim, said. just because somebody said it pinged seven hours later, not necessarily that's that aircraft. >> what was that captain? >> i tend to agree with that? >> wow. >> it is definitely verified that is the aircraft we're talking about. >>well, captain, if indeed the transponders were turned off, and if the -- is turned off and
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the only thing that is happening is the satellite are trying to catch or vice versa the plane but can't really read data, and send back the data. you're saying that this plane could be anywhere and that it might not be that 777? >> well, not exactly. you know, this airplane perhaps had about seven hours of fuel on board on takeoff. they normally don't fill up the tanks when they take off for a destination. they calculate how much fuel the aircraft is going to take. so it had about seven hours worth of fuel on board, i presume. it can't go very farther than an. seven hour circle from destination. we don't exactly know, obviously, right now where it is. >> but, okay. if they say believe the last
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ping at 8:11, seven hours past the last contact, do you think that plane would have gone down or somebody landed the plane? and before we get to that, what about the height from going to 45,000, to 23 what would happen inside that plane? >> again, if that is true, even a struggle in that airplane or it is done deliberately, the airplane, if they take it up to 45,000 feet depressures, to pressurize the aircraft, that is probably the most humanly way to -- i hate to say it, kill the passengers very quickly. >> in other words if people in the cockpit put on-air masks, they go up to 45,000 and everybody in the back dies. would that explain why we don't have any e-mails or no one is calling or texting.
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i mean, even after you land sometimes your e-mails will go through. will that explain it? >> that would explain it, yes. because at 45,000 feet, you probably have about two seconds, two or three seconds of consciousness before -- if you're not high pressure oxygen, you'll immediately pass out. >> all right, captain. thank you very much for being with us evening. now it is time for the results of the poll. we asked you what you thought happen to the missing plane. most said it was hijacked. and many of you said it was sitting on the ground somewhere. there were other ideas. hijacked by terrorists to be used to explode an emt over the west. that means he's been watching my specials. finally, looks like the bermuda triangle moved to asia. stay with us. the two-hour justice investigation no the mystery of the
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this is a fox news alert. new details in the investigation in to malaysian airlines 2370 and what happened in the cockpit. hello and welcome back to the special justice investigation to the missing flight. i'm judge yu mean. it's been more than a week since the plane carrying 239 people disappeared. here with the latest in the investigation is fox news reporter mike cohen, who joins us from the philippines. mike? >> reporter: judge, right now authorities are looking at here they're looking at the pilots, looking at the crews, looking at passengers. anyone who has piloting experience or aircraft handling experience who were aboard the aircraft, that has -- as we know, the flight data pings from the aircraft, from the aircraft engines, and other

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