>> this is a fox news alert. the search for the missing malaysia airliner continues. but the question remains the same. where is flight 370. welcome back to our special edition of justice. i am judge njeanine pirro. thank you for being with us tonight. it has been ten-days since flight 370 disappeared. 25 nations involved in the search for an airliner. the guided missile destroyer was sent by the united states to assist in the search for missing malaysian flight 370. with me now on the phone from the uss kid in the indian ocean

is commander william park spokesman for the forward deployed 7 fleet. hello commander. >> hello, good morning. >> all right. good morning to you. >> first of all thanks for being with us. tell us what does it look like there and you are now in the indian ocean when did you get there? oo i just got out of our morning operation so i can give you a rundown of what it looks like for today. i am on board the command ship we have been commanding all of the entire fleet. right now we have the most about the sea and the uss kid he is a destroyer. first search area will get to 3,

4, 500 miles over the course of a 4-6 hour period. a bigger range will be m 860 search and rescue helicopters. fly for about 100 miles out they will fly about 3 and a half hours the time they can do that through out the day. so they will go 3 and a half hours come back refuel with the air crew and do it again. in addition to those we have two long range aircraft they fly out of lapore. those are called a ph pos side den. their range is well over 1,000 miles. they arrive they have additional four hours they have to fly back. that's our best asset. for this morning we have a flight today flying through the sea up towards ber ma up towards

there. it's a huge area we are searching yes. it is over the indian ocean. >> commander mark who can tell us who is in charge of coordinating the effort. 25 different countries are involved right now. is this mapped out so that the u.s. takes this area and someone else takes that area? how is this being decided? >> the government of malaysia mapped it out on a chart. it is the ability to freelance and search opportunity. i will give you an example yesterday we had it up toward the bay of bengal searching for the great deals.

another area they had radar returns. they weren't sure where it was. they had small blips on the radar. they make decisions they went toward the area they were seeing a little radar return. there was no debris there but we have the capability to maneuver. >> have you ever been involved in anything like this before? >> it is really an unprecedented event. over the course of the year we will have 80 exercises 200 or so ports and we practice for this kind of thing. it is something no one has ever

seen before. we participated in operations with the philippines and the typhoon. we are out here 24-hours a day preparing and training for this. >> commander william martin on the uss commander thank you so much this evening thank you for what you do and give our regards to everyone on that ship with you. with me now is military analyst tomorrow mcinerney. we have commander william marx on the uss kid in the indian ocean right now. what is your take on what we can possibly learn at this point.

>> we are looking to see if there was a crash. i have been quite outspoken that i think the airplane landed somewhere, judge, but it's important that you go through this course of action. they make sure the airplane did not crash. simultaneously we must be looking at well over 600 air fields potential air fields because this airplane would have landed, the way it is coming down it looks like the pilots were involved it looks leak an orchestrated event they had no intention of flying up to the indian ocean they crashed it and go off to thailand. >> you believe this plane has landed somewhere, is that your opinion based on what you know? >> you believe you indicated the pilots were involved. not that it is relevant in terms

of a hijacker, if that is the case, if you believe that this plane has landed somewhere, where are the passengers? >> were they using the passengers as pos tajs? >> that's a very good question. i don't have that answer. >> that's one of the things we have to look at. but by determining what potential airfield is in that region of india, pakistan, iran, that the airplane could have landed and you would have to put it in the hangar. the airplane took off at nighttime and landed at nighttime. if the airplane landed somewhere they would have noticed it. it is not clear if people would have seen it land and it is not clear on where they would have been put, the passengers if they

were still alive. >> the last thing we learned from, maybe i need the time line on this one was at 8 in the morning. you are saying it landed at night. how do you know in a? >> i am saying 7 hours in bl blue -- it flew 7, 8 hours. if you are going west the sun it was still dark as you are moving west. the fact is the time difference if you subtract it was probably at least three time zones that it went through. that would have meant it would land say somewhere around 6 which would still be dark in that part of the world. we have to go through those time lines. who was on board, who was the passengers on board? we need a thorough analysis of

everyone and were there aliases particularly the chinese on board. >> i couldn't agree with you more. who is on board and what was in that cargo hole? a lot of questions we don't know whether or not our government already knows the answer to that. we have yet to find out. general mcinerney always good to have you. thank you. >> we have expert dan hampton. good to have you back. >> the uss kid is in the indian ocean. what do you think is going on then? >> well, no, i have never flown a triple 7. but i know aviation and i know the tactical environment and i have an idea of what somebody like me would do if i were doing

this. $2 200 doll -- 200 families out there i don't mean to sound callous but tloois a scenario that explains this. terrorism not with standing. if it is likely now obviously somebody in the cockpit a rated pilot who could fly the airplane not necessarily the two guys in there. the pilot will go to an airport wi were real or fake and get on board a plane and often jump into the seat of the cockpit. >> that's correct. and there may be no record of it with mal laaysia air. all of the altitude excursions m that the plane suffered after takeoff it went up to above 40,000 feet and drop down could be explained by someone in the

cockpit incapacitating the other pilot or pilots. if it gets up to 40,000 feet or above, heavy weight like that it is more than likely going to stall which would explain the tremendous vertical down movement. it is 20,000 feet or so. at that point the plane is flying west. if everybody in the back is going bananas like all would the pilot assuming this is a planned event he is going to continue what he is doing and not care about what's going on in the back or is he going to incapacity or eliminate the passengers. i know it sounds harsh. it's a decision it would have been made. that cockpit door once it shuts there's nothing anybody can do to get in there to change whatever this pilot is up to. he disappears into the indian

ocean he could fly out back 30-30,000 feet they could de pressurize the cabin. they cut off to the back. >> they are eliminating all of the way to the back and he himself has severed oxygen bottles up front. he could kill everything on board through the airplane and do what he wants. >> of course not. it is all hypothetical at this point. >> if the transponder is turned off that seems to be one of the facts that we know. how is it they determine the altitude and are these altitudenal changes, i know you talk about the stall and all of that, are they indicative of additional fighting in the cockpit? >> that's one explanation for it. guys are fighting up there.

if they are in control of the aircraft when you turn the transponder off in the 777 the traffic avoidance system also goes off. nobody else around is going to see it. the only way to see that airplane is on radar. that is what happened when it flew over the island in the straits the military radar sign. the last hit on this airplane heading west. so again that is one possibility. i think my other profession is counter-terrorism and counter insurgency operations. after ten-days of not hearing anything it leads one to the conclusion that you are not going to hear anything. nobody knows but it is looking more like that. >> all right. colonel, thank you for being with us. >> with me now former cia covert operative mike baker. good evening, michael. how are you? >> good evening. what do you think? >> i am doing well, thank you, judge. >> what do you think?

>> i think it is an incredible situation. the more we find out from the mal layings authority the more as spounding it becomes. for me the greatest revelation, the most incredible revelation has been this notion that frankly this plane appeared on three of the stations. they turned west across malaysia over the straight of malaysia. they didn't notice it, or they just saw it and didn't bother to investigate? either is astounding. the transponder shut off all they have is an aircraft. it doesn't have a flight plan and they couldn't be bothered. >> it is their territory. there's aircraft in the air. nobody knows who it is because of transponders are off. >> had we known is there a reason maybe we didn't know the

possible flight path and they were looking at the ocean on the one side as opposed to the northwest trail they could have taken they knew him and they were too embarrassed to say it? >> a half a day or show they were aware they picked up something on radar. how quickly that got reported to other nations. >> they are talking about one nation they involve search and rescue such as this. when you layer on a dozen nations and the u.s. we are getting precious little information and ability to' cyst. we have always had a bit of a touchy relationship with the malaysian government. there's not a good working

relationship there. it is part of speculation what information sharing is going on behind the scenes. there's not a lot happening that would give us hope. if malaysia scrambled the jet this story would have been over likely. >> let me ask you this. the malaysians due to confidence whether they were embarrassed or whatever the reason is the chinese had the vast majority of passengers on the flight. the chinese government doesn't play the game. how were they communicating with the malaysians. >> that's right. there's a -- the ability for the malaysian authorities to share information with the chinese is probably about on par with their willingness and ability to share and play well with us or really anybody else.

i don't want to over state this, we don't have all of the facts about when they started sharing the data. some of the data is difficult to translate and analyze. be that as it may shortly after the plane went missing the malaysian authorities knew it doesn't mean the search in the south china seas. there was a flight plan. they had to engage in the surge there. we could have been on the proper track at the same time. that didn't happen. we are investigating every possible step we can. we are doing the things we are able to do which is not much. we are tearing into the passengers we are doing those things. >> thanks for being with us this evening. >> sure. >> coming up the last words in from someone in the cockpit of

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>> as the investigation into missing flight 370 continues, the focus turns to security.

what role did it play in the disappearance of this aircraft. let's ask the former director of security for tel aviv international airport. aviation expert joins us now. >> good evening, judge. >> let me go right to what your take is as it relates to security and how security difference, security checkpoints might have changed the story we are covering now. >> there are a lot of issues with more and more details about this flight and the security exercised. by the malaysian airways and the guadalupe paw airport. the fact that we had at least two passengers on board. it is a very serious issues. it relies on the fact that who our passengers are.

we managed to stop the dead guys that we know of before we go off it is closed. as far as the security is concerned although i have to say with the latest details that has come up today about the sequence of events meaning first of all it was the data reporting system that was gone, and only later somebody in the cockpit was heard saying good night to the ground station led to the conclusion or the assumption that the pilots are involved and i strongly support that the assumption. but at the same time we need to keep in mind that malaysian airways as well as most other

airlines of the world with the isra israeli airline. every time the door is open we actually open an opportunity for somebody who is well trained to reach into the cockpit and perhaps their own use the bulletproof door to protect inside the cockpit. >> let me interrupt you. >> in terms of the passport identification there were two stolen passports used here. >> is it not correct to verify whether or not that passport has been reported stolen. that's not rocket science at this point. >> it is true. by the way, it is not rocket science you have some kind to allow us to do what the plan is. it would not awill you them to stop it but that's a different

story. but as far as the stolen passports, they are working very hard to prepare this and make them available to any country who wants to use them. >> don't use that because of the element of course that comes to play. >> let me ask you this. do you believe there should be some kind of screening from the cockpit so at least in a situation like this we would know whether or not there were hijackers, a deadheader from other airline is involved? >> i think that we need to have shut down the systems whether visual or audio or both. they shall not be allowed to be shut down by the pilots by

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jeanine. >> welcome back to our continuing coverage of missing malaysia airlines flight 370. there's no lack of theories being floated about this missing plane. let's talk to someone who can separate fact from fiction. joining me now mit professor of aeronautics and aviation expert jonath john hahn son. good evening professor. thank you for being with us this evening. >> good evening.

>> could you tell us what happens first apparently the akards being turned off. what's the significance? can you give us how that happened? >> so, what the sequence of events appears to be is the data reporting system it isn't a simple thing to do. you have to get into effectively a computer and reset some pages so that was done and then after that, they got the last transmission basically they were handed off from malaysian air traffic controllers to vietnam. then after that the transponder was turned off. it appears that at least either the pilots were in control of the airplane. someone acting as a pilot in control of the airplane. after we started to get the sequence of the airplane were trying to masquerade itself to

hide. >> so professor what you are saying is when they heard all right with nights that was after agard is turned off which is more difficult to do than what we already know the transponder being turned off seems to be the easiest and more sensible thing. >> how do you turn that of oh and don't get intoen suit is it in the cockpit? >> it is a computer in the cockpit you have to get into to shut it down. >> do you have to remove a panel or something? >> no, no, it's sort of like setting something in the computer you have to pull down to a couple of pages. you have to hit the right button to but it is more difficult than setting off the transponder. >> the transponder also has a hijack code on it. if an intruder came into the cockpit that would be the first

thing they were wanting to talk with. it p didn't seem to be an intruder it seemed like an inside job. >> there is a report, i want to read this wifor you by the malaysian newspaper said that a passenger on the aircraft was an aviation engineer. they were on the manifest there. it is along with someone catching a ride that would account for some of this problem as well. if someone else was in there they would have disabled the crew before they got to the point which theoretically possible we would have to be monitoring the radio so that they would sign off at the right time. >> talked take two of them to dual on this, right?

>> the airplane flies itself. when it jumped after that turn that northwest turn the altitudenal changes what do you attribute that to? >> you have to be skeptical about those they don't have good altitude to have measuring capabilities. they may be looking at data there. they don't have that decision vertically. so i wouldn't put too much weight into that data yet. >> knowing what you know now professor, your thoughts where could this plane be? >> well, that airplane had plenty of fuel, it has fuel for five hours after the event. it is somewhere in that ark it

could be in the water, it could be crashed into the himalayas or it could possibly be at some airport but it is hard to hide a trip 777. >> given the technology today and the fact that there were no e-mails, text messages, phone calls from any of the passengers on the plane, they primaribased primarily on the fact that none of the loved ones or family members indicated that they received any information, what does that tell you? >> it doesn't tell you too much. >> cell phones depending on the types of networks. the networks are designed not to turn on the cell phones that are too high in altitude or moving too fast. basically they don't have time to connect in. they don't want to be turned on

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>> new clues tonight in the search for the missing airliner. this passenger and crew come under the microscope the search expands. gra reporter terry freel joins me on the phone with the latest on the investigation.

good eefrng, terri. what can you tell us? >> as you say, almost nine days after the plane disappeared we have more questions than we have answers. it passed out the indian ocean off the west coast of australia. we have 25 countries involved in the search. >> and with those 25 countries and the continuing search, who is orchestrating this who is at the center of controlling this search? >> well, theoretically the malaysian transport departments are in charge. when you have so many countries it is hard to coordinate. >> clearly. and going forward, is there anything different than what we have already heard that they are going to be doing? oo no. i mean they really are stumped

at the moment. they don't know what to do next. the families have been holding candlelight vigils. >> they are extremely angry at the way they are being treated by malaysian airlines they are not getting any information. >> and when -- is the chinese government seeing most of the passengers on this aircraft were chinese are they getting any pressure on the malaysian government getting assistance from the family members on the plane? >> yes, they are. in fact we have had rising tensioning between china and malaysia started. the chinese government is unhappy with the way this is being handled and a special team there to work with malaysians to try to sort this out. >> terri, thanks so much for joining us. a little later we are going to talk about what these families are going through. anyway the world is watching and waiting as 25 nations now

involved in the search for this airliner back with me former advisor to the u.k. defense ministry. military pilate michael k. all right michael. you have two boards of inquiry. what are we missing here? is what else do we need to do? >> i think the board of inquiry judges is incredibly important. you have to look at every aspect of what is caused in the relationship for the emergency procedures that were taken by not just the malaysian or traffic authorities. because the aircraft was gearing up for a handover. to me we don't know what emergency actions were taken by malaysia air traffic and vietnamese air traffic until it was turned off and it disappeared off the radar. >> is that part of the whole puzzle it was when they left malaysia and before vietnam that

that handoff kind of added to the inability of any one to practice? >> it does after the complexity. you are having to talk to two various agencies on what they know. if it had been in malaysian airspace you would be focusing on malaysian air traffic. because they were going to airspace the procedure of that is the aircraft would be talking to svietnamese aircraft. they would say you identify them. >> they were on the same channel at this point. >> basically it would be a number which they put on the transformer which would give it a unique trance per quocode and radar picked it up or something along those lines. on the radar screen they have the physical air core cores, you can see the aircraft up and down the specific corridors conflicted by might.

they a -- they are given by height. they are not followed by primary radar. they are followed by secondary radar. once that goes which is the transponder it makes it incredibly difficult to follow. for me it is about asking the question what is the relationship between the military radar services in s vietnam and malaysia and civil air traffic services. you have for example iran has significant integrated defense system. if anything goes on whether it be the traffic anales or whatever they talk to each other. >> that's a lot of information. >> the malaysian military says that they know that the 777 was flying. why didn't they do anything about it? >> you know, to be honest with you if it doesn't have a score on it and as we have brought out on the program it wasn't physically interrogated.

>> we don't know why doesn't the malaysian military say that plane was flying here, here, here and here. they are the ones that gave it to us. >> i have questioned that. as soon as the second radar goes off, you have got all sorts of traffic which is being picked up by radar. you get ships traveling that are picked up on radar. you have jets flying 320,000 feet. you would discern which blip would be an incredibly hard thing to do. >> all right michael. a lot of questions still remain. thanks for being with us. coming up where is this flight 370 and behind the missing airliner's disappearance. that's next.

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>> we continue with our coverage of missing flight 370. with me captain david spunk a retired northwest airlines pilot

who joins us by phone. good evening, captain. >> good evening, judge. >> you believe that this crew might have been incapacitated. why do you say that? >> i think it is pretty apparent that crew or whoever was going to fly the airplane was be unable to do so. whether that was caused by an electro mechanical failure there is some likelihood of it although it is low with an airplane as reliable as a boeing 777 is. it led to multiple system failures fire in the cockpit, these are all indications. we have seen the same set of problems that happen pen with other aircraft because they landed safely didn't even make the news. >> interesting. you are saying there could have been a fire in the cockpit, obviously if there had been at that point that transponders went off they would have come down to where it was. >> not necessarily.

>> think about your house. you plug your refrigerator into your wall and there's an electrical fire. you pull the plug out and it stops. each of these systems is plugged into a different power source. they say you smell burning plastic. they camp out before they took off as a long flight to beijing. they weren't as sharp and quick thinking as they should have been. the way boeing designed the airplane however the crews physically i am capacitated or dead from the toxic fumes or oxygen deprivation. which ever of the three selected auto pilots if that tripped off that would explain the gradual climbing and descending of the

airplane much like the flew up from south dakota to florida it had wide altitude it was trimmed to fly at the time. the second half quickly? >> very quickly. they are flying the airplane but if somebody was disabled. >> thanks so much for your input. how are the families of the crew members dealing with the ups and members dealing with the ups and downs of this ...so you say men are superior drivers? yeah? then how'd i get this... [ voice of dennis ] ...safe driving bonus check? every six months without an accident, allstate sends a check. silence. are you in good hands?

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>> how could the family be paying for all of this? good evening dr. ludwig. relatives try to remember last moments with a loved one. >> yes, what happens with these catastrophic events is they also fast forward to the moment in time they image their family member in the plane what they had to deal with. only these family members don't have that advantage because -- >> there's no clear indication of whether they are alive or not. >> there's an emotional roller-coaster. they are if as lating between despair and hope.

pram perhaps my family member is alive. maybe they landed somewhere. until they see the bodies or know otherwise it will be difficult to get the closure they are going to need assuming the worse case scenario happens. >> what would you recommend the malaysian government would do? they are upset they are not getting any information. >> get them regular information make sure they are comfortable. make sure they feel they can get the information that they need in a time understandable fashion. as they get information share it with the family so it is more transparent. get a psychologist on-site used to dealing with drama. they can create a kind of community and they can be a support system. what's best for the family is these families getting information and finding out what happened had a.

>> sorry we don't have ner time. thanks for that. see you next week on "justice." to budget cuts. there are more than 30 air shows this year. fox news sunday coming up next. i'm chris wallace. more than a week after that malaysia airlines flight vanishes, it is now turned into a criminal investigation. as the search moves hundreds of miles to the west, there is confusion over data pings from the plane. investigators look into the possible of sabotage or hijacking. we'll have a live report on late-developments and talk with the chair of the house homeland security committee, michael mccaul and peter