they know what it means, you may be wrong. we don't want it. miss megyn is next. please remember, the spin stops right here, we're definitely looking out for you . breaking tonight, a bombshell in the mystery of the missing plane. the kelly file confirming a crucial piece of the puzzle. in what could be a big break in the disappearance of malaysia airlines flight 370. welcome to the kelly file, everyone, i'm megyn kelly. moments ago, the kelly file learning details about the time line, vastly different from what we knew before. official government sources are saying at the time the co pilot calmly signed off with malaysian air traffic control at 1:07 a.m., this jet had already made its u-turn heading off course,

back to malaysia's east coast, instead of its intended destination in china. at 1:07 a.m., the plane's data communication system the acars system, sent out its last automated message, they are programmed to fire off every 30 minutes, what we did not know until moments ago is at that time the plane had already changed course, heading west away from the intended destination of beijing, all without a word from the co pilot to control. he spoke with them at 1:19 said nothing about it. again, this is a full 12 minutes before the person sent out the last calm message. all right, good night. . scott brenner is a former faa senior official now with gephardt government affairs, if this is the case, that in fact

at 1:07 a.m., the acars communication system was transmitting data that this plane had already made its turn, is that our information? >> that's what i understand as well, megyn. >> had already made its turn then that would suggest that this co pilot knew a lot more than he was communicating to ground control and places a whole new spotlight on him. >> no, absolutely. this was programmed, in we don't know when it was programmed in, if it was before the flight took off. but at 1:07 we have a new flight path. it's clear whoever put this in, had plans to take this aircraft west very early on in this flight. >> if the acars communication was communicating such data at 1:07 a.m., does it mean the plane was already heading west?

>> most likely yes, unless there was another in between waypoint which i have not heard of. most likely as soon as he hit that way pointpoint it's starting to make that nice slow curve to the west. these are not dramatic turns. >> is it your information that the plane had turned west and was heading west instead of northeast than it was supposed to, was that different from the report that had been generated 30 minutes earlier at 12:47 a.m.? >> we don't know what the flight plan was other than it was the traditional route up to beijing, the next report shows it has a new flight path. >> when the new york times broke information yesterday that the u-turn off the intended flight course had been programmed in by somebody, the plane had been told to do it, the one piece

that was missing from their report was, well, when? when was it told to do it? and the information that came out earlier tonight from nbc news just two hours ago, is that it was told to do it 12 minutes before the co pie loot signed off with mission control. we seem to be adding to that now, and saying, not only was it told to do it, 12 minutes before the co pilot signed off, but the plane itself was heading west. the co pilot knew he was offcourse, in other words, according to how it looks tonight, when he signed off with ground control at 1:19. >> correct. and again, i guess -- not to get too complicates, but acars is reporting every 30 minutes, the last report we have is at 1:07. at that 1:07 mark, we have this new flight plan. then we have another 12 minutes before the co pilot signs off. sometime prior to that, he's plugged it in, he knows he's

taking that aircraft in a whole new direction. >> we've heard some pilots say, well, so plug in alternate destinations, just in case i need to say, oh, shoot, i need to go here, and you press the button. >> i find that a little hard to believe right now, considering that is a dramatic turn from your planned course. >> is there any chance the captain of this flight as opposed to the co pilot -- if we're just assuming right now, that the co pilot was doing this, had made the turn, was communicating with air traffic control, what do we know about the captain, could he have been communicating in this? >> you don't know for a pilot or co pilot to punch in a new waypoint in their flight management system without the other noticing, would be hard to do. it's just a few strokes, but it's a major change in your

flight plan if you're the co pilot or pilot. >> and yet if you look at the circumstantial evidence, the most potentially problematic thing for the co pilot, he was the one that communicating at 1:19, all right, good night, it looks like this plane had already turned off its course. have we heard from the captain at all? >> not that i know of. that's been the problem through this whole thing, the dripping of information from the malaysians. we found out a few days ago, it was the co pilot who signed off. when we get the information, sometimes it's changed, sometimes it's so late, we wasted time looking in an area we shouldn't have been looking in. >> before i let you go, what do

you make of this latest information? what does it tell you? >> i think we've known for a while, at least a lot of folks i've been talking to, that this has been an intentional maneuvering of the aircraft. one of the pilots clearly had the intention, as soon as that plane took off, he was going to take it in another direction, why, i have no idea, it was very clear, not only -- i mean, the fact that the transponder was turned off, the fact that the acars stopped functioning. this type of thing does not happen, and now with this new point you bring up tonight i think it's 100% clear, this pilot or co pilot took this plane with the clear intend of doing something bad. >> scott, thank you. >> we have a panel of experts to break this down for us now. robert mark is a pilot and

publisher of jetwine.com. rob, let me start with you, and get your reaction to that news. >> well, i think that we've heard the phrase game changer for the last 10 days, i think this is probably really going to be it, we now seem to have some of the hard evidence that we needed to say, how do we know that the airplane took very specific actions, and it looks like someone absolutely programmed this in and turned the airplane away from beijing. >> patrick, we have been keeping the theory of mechanical failure alive and discussing that every night, to discuss what could be an alternate explanation. this seems to make a mechanical failure more difficult to explain as the theory if the pilot at the time he's saying all right, good night. has already turned the aircraft.

>> it makes it more difficult, but i would not totally dismiss that possibility. you touched on something a few minutes ago. it's true that pilots do sometimes program in alternate routes, stand by routes, secondary waypoints and flight plans that may be needed for some circumstance. we absolutely do that. and it's possible still that the airplane was turning because the crew was dealing with some sort of on board problem. you don't always communicate an urgency in the airplane with controllers on the ground. in fact, in the priority of -- your priorities when dealing with an emergency are to fly the airplane first, figure out where you could be going. >> but to not mention that when he signed off at 1:19 to instead say calmly, all right, good night. >> well, that's not totally

startling, but it's also true that we need to make sure that that time line is factual, and that the turn was commenced. the actual turn, not just the programs of the fms, that turn that par in advance of the communication, even so, that doesn't leave me convince d -- there couldn't have been something else going on there, aside from the idea of a hija hijacking. again, to let me finish my point. communicating with the ground is really last on the priorities list when year dealing with an in flight emergency. >> i understand if they were dealing with an emergency, they have to do -- >> they have -- >> hold on, i want to get my other guest in. >> the acars system, this is not something we understand, it

communicates zeta from the airplane to air traffic control. it was shut off at 1:21 a.m. two minuteses after the co pilot last communicated, it was shut down either intentionally or by the mechanical failure, do you believe that that information could tell air traffic control that the plane had already turned? would they be able to look at that today and say, this airplane had already made its u-turn at 1:07 a.m., i see it right here? yes, i do. and also, when the co pilot as it's been asluded to has

another point is maintenance issue was the aircraft.

>> you mentioned it would be extraordinary to make this decision without the input of the captain. however, that is the only true if the captain was in the incapacitated. the malaysian authorities seem to confirm they did not hear from the captain but from the co-pilot which i gather is not unusual you hear normally from one not flying the plane. we're going to take a break and pick up on this amazing new news we've intended to come to air tonight and explore the possibility of mechanical failure. the investigation has taken a very different turn as we come to air. in the meantime, malaysian authorities are being criticized for how they're handling this. are they really this inept or is something else going on? plus, what ugs us intelligence

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turning to peter king, you were saying look at the pilot from the begin. why were you zeroed in on them? >> most people felt the plane, odds are, again, not knowing what happened, but odds would be that that had to be an inside job, someone from the inside took over the plane or the pilot and or the co-pilot. just didn't lend itself. other explanations were too much off the playing field i felt this is either a suicide or terrorist attack by someone within the cockpit. >> u.s. officials here in the

united states have they been leaning toward mechanical failure or some nefarious act? >> they've been leaning toward terrorism or suicide >> how close contact do you believe we have with the malaysian government? do you think they're cooperating with us the way they need to be? >> no. it's been terrible. they've not cooperated the fact they took seven days before beginning to look at the pilot and co-pilot is inexcusable. have you to assume whether it's true or not the pilot and co-pilot have to be looked at as possible suspects. and auto mat wrik and immediate investigation especially in a country like malaysia with a strong history of al qaeda activity. not to say they're terrorists but the you have to look into. they never brought fbi or australian intelligence. all of the groups that could have assisted them. >> they say they've

investigateed and searched their computers and didn't find any terror links and searched cell phone records, nothing of question there. this guy, the co-pilot, 27 engaged to marry his girlfriend of nine years. she's a pilot herself. he was recently qualified to fly this aircraft. you know head that incident of inviting young blonde women into the cockpit but pilots say that is not a big deal they seem to be saying there is nudging in his history that would red flag him or the other pilot. >> you can't tell that after a one-week investigation. malaysia saying between saturday and today they've given them a clean bill of health? you >> you have to investigate and investigate. experts like fbi and australian intelligence, bring them in. instead they didn't look at them selves and also, didn't bring in anyone from the outside to help them. >> have you to ask why. congressman good to see you.

>> megyn, thank you. >> the news is breaking fast we learn more about the time line of what looks increasingly like some sort of a hijacking if by the pilot or pilots themselves we're going to take a look at what is going on plus we're not dismissing nor failing to investigate suggestions this could have been a mechanical failure or a fire aboard the plane like this one from 2011. wait until you see what happened to the cockpit on this airline. we'll discuss a theory about how it could have happened on flight 270 as well, next. huh, fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. everybody knows that. well, did you know pinocchio was a bad motivational speaker? i look around this room and i see nothing but untapped potential. you have potential.

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trace ghallager reports now. >> there is a theory by john goodfell yes have you to remember it was filled with passengers, fuel and baggage. it was very heavy, and hot. you use up most of the runway. what he says if the nose gear was under inflated and overheated and caught fire an hour into the flight the co-pilot saying all right, good

night. shortly after goodfellow believes there is smoke in the cockpit the experienced captain programs a brand new destination into the computer which is a nearby 13,000 foot runway that would explain the big left turn the pilot has oxygen. if there is smoke, they can wear smoke masks that only last a few minutes the theory is that the pilots passed out, the plane flew seven hours until it ran out of fuel. there are holes in this theory with tonight's breaking news mixing in there but here is two quick examples in 1998 swiss air flight 111 had smoke in the cockpit trying to turn back it never made it. nose into the ocean in 2011 what you talked about, egypt air 777 at the gate when

it caught fire. look at the cockpit the reason that fire spread so quickly is because it was an oxygen-rich environment. everybody got off board that plane okay. but the damage and jet were destroyed. megan? >> eerie to think about that happening flight 370. patrick smith, robert mark, ask corky smith. patrick let me start with you. the main argument against mechanical failure on board this flight seems to be how could a mean fly 5 or 6 hours on auto pilot, across malaysia into the indian sea? >> well, it could. and you know, i admit that the likelihood of catastrophic failure, any failure is shrinking. it's looking like an intentional act but i'm not ready to close that door completely

the piece today by goodfellow, his name was, he touches on something that i brought up in one of my blogs 5 or 6 days ago is the possibility that the reason the crew made that turn is because they were dealing with a smoke or fumes emergency. in the process of diverting to an alternate airport to perform an emergency landing they were overcome by the smoke or fumes, and because the course had been set to go in one direction, and the plane auto pilot remained engaged, possibly, the airplane continued on for a considerable length of time before burning up or running out of fuel and crashing into the ocean not a likely scenario but it's a lot more likely than some of the other theorys floating around the past couple days i would leave the door open on that one for a little while >> rob, what do you make of it? >> i think that the story that

patrick is referring to, goodfellow one made a lot of sense to me. it did. and i, because he tried to put everyone in the shoes of the pilots and saying if an emergency occurred what would you do? we were doing the same thing, looking for a place to land. we won't have gone straight head towards vietnam in the middle of a populated area. we won't have chosen that. now, when i did the search tonight, before we started the show, i looked at google earth and saw the 13,000 foot runway that he mentioned and it is certainly there. it's great. there are places in between that have one right to the malaysi malaysian-thai border that is not surrounded by an large population if i had an emergency i won't have passed that up.

>> the question remains, if there was communication on board, i assumed the radio would go down. it's not the case the radio keeps working. why didn't they, i realize their primary focus is save lives but does it strike you as unusual? then go to break they won't have at heft for a moment said pan, pan, or mayday? >> i don't buy either one of the theorys. personally. i think they would have come up with a pan pan. transmission. the aircraft could land on the 4,000 foot runway and take 6,000 feet to get it off the ground again. also, on the triple seven it has a fire detection system and also a fire suppression system to put any type of fire out whatsoever.

i can't imagine the aircraft flying around 4 to 5 hours i don't buy either one. >> why are you saying that is not true, patrick? >> several of the things he said aren't quite true. you do not necessarily transmit a problem to controllers on the ground with pan, pan. and the airplane does not have fire suppression systems for any kind of fire that is not true. >> okay. we're -- >> it does in the ee bay. >> if that theory is correct it's possible people on boor this aircraft may have perished. as we saw in the greece, helos flight 522 a couple years ago. those on board perished and the airplane flew on auto pilot to its own demise. and up next more on breaking news on this missing malaysian

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originally thought was the plane had gone up flying toward -- on its original course to beijing, and signing off with air traffic control, and making a westerly turn. we now know within those first 26 minutes, they had reprogrammed the flight plan and were already starting to turn west far before they signed off with air traffic control. >> at 1:19 a.m. when the man identified as the co pilot signed off by saying, all right, good night, your senior sources are telling you that plane had already made its u-turn was offcourse already away from beijing and the co pilot and pilot for that matter said nothing about it? >> absolutely. very odd. very odd, and it's -- you know, this has been confirmed through some data, and that data transmits every 30 minutes, the plane took off at 12:41 and by 1:07 it had already had additional waypoints programmed into the system.

>> to underscore, your information, at least as of tonight has not only been head of the program, but the plane had already turned as of 1:07 a.m.? >> absolutely. they were already starting in that westerly direction. >> all right, scott, thank you. the new york times has been breaking big news throughout this investigation, what do their reporters make of the news tonight given what they reported last night. it all ties in. michael, good to see you again. it was literally 24 hours ago, that you were on our air telling us your information was indeed this plane had been told, specifically had been told by a human being via a keypad to make that turn. so it was no accident it made the turn, it sounds like scott brenner's information jibes with your own? >> yeah, i mean, basically, what this does is, it refocuses all the attention on the pilots and who else on the plane has experience in a boeing cockpit and knew how to operate it, what that says to the investigators there and in the united states

is, what was it that really provoked them, now, the problem is, they haven't really found anything yet, they've gone through the pilots e-mails, they haven't found anything there. it doesn't look like the flight simulator taken from one of the pilot's houses showed anything. the work that was done here by federal investigators didn't show any links to terrorism. so, yeah, we're back looking at people who knew how to fly the plane. >> nor do we flow, michael, whether this co pilot, assuming he was in on it, or doing this, intentionally for nefarious purposes, we don't know whether he was under duress, we don't know whether someone was on board making him do it, we don't know what the status was in the cockpit tonight. >> if we don't get to the plane within another few weeks, the batteries and the flight recorder will go out, and we won't really know anything that happened the last two hours since the plane was still in the air. >> michael, thank you, we appreciate it. >> breaking tonight, sources

tell the kelly file as we told you, moments ago, that before, before this co pilot said good night to air traffic control, this plane had already made its youturn to the west and that was not mentioned in the communication. trace gallagher live with another theory about. >> until they find the black boxes of these planes, the cockpit voice recorder, everything is still on the table. this is the theory that says that someone wanted to incapacitate the passengers and then reuse that plane, land somewhere else and reuse it, the theory is, the jet went to 45,000 feet, which the radar says it did. and that the cabin was then depressurized by someone in the cockpit. now, the oxygen mask would come down, but keep in mind the passengers only have about 15 minutes of oxygen. after that they would quickly suffocate. the pilots also had limited oxygen, but they have more than

the passengers but then again, they can always drop to an altitude where you do not need oxygen, and, of course, the radar says the plane did go back down. there are, of course, gaping holes in this theory, experts say planes are pressurized at 8,000 feet, so the cabin would be at the very same pressure at 35,000 feet as it was at 45,000 feet, so the question is, why would you go up 45,000 feet just to flip off the cabin pressure, and keep in mind for that plane to actually land and be used again, it would have to cross land, it would have to cross land based radar, probably military radar, and it would have to evade that, and that is a very difficult thing to do. megyn. >> thanks, trace. our panel of experts is back now. mike, let me get your reaction now to the breaking news that we've been reporting tonight.

>> right, well, you know, i'm not admittedly the sharpest tool in the shed. if it wasn't just programming the new flight plan, but was actually, had committed the turn and it made this abrupt turn minutes and minutes before the co pilot signed off, with air traffic control, which would have that plane under its control, why didn't somebody say, excuse me, but you turned the wrong way? so i appreciate you saying all right, good night, but why are you heading in the wrong direction? this is part of the problem -- the problem has been that, we're getting conflicting statements, we get information in drips and drabs, you're trying to grab data from a variety of countries. some of whom aren't the most

transparent. >> chuck hagel came out today and encouraged malaysia to tell us what they know when they know it. >> one of the reasons that they couldn't tell what the airplane was doing is that the air traffic control radar doesn't reach as far as where that airplane was at the time. and it's very much -- they were in radio contact, but it doesn't mean that the radar saw everything that was going on. but also, the 45,000 feet issue that we've been talking about for a week here, to my knowledge, the malaysians don't possess high radar. where they came up with this 40,000 pete is beyond me. >> as a pilot yourself, do you -- is it consistent that the more junior pilot on board this flight, if he had seized control from the captain, that the plane would be jerking about, that there would be some inconsistencies zigzagging side to side, going up, going down,

before it leveled off and continued westward? >> well, if the two of them were wrestling, yes, possibly. but that, even though the man didn't have a great deal of nighttime, by the time you're in the right seat, you've gone through the process, you can make a turn without making all kinds of crazy gyrations, even though you're a junior pilot. >> your belief about -- clearly somebody -- well, not clearly, someone appears to have seized control of this airplane, and the thought is what does that person do with the passengers on board, the 227 passengers on board, once that's done? the theory was, go up to 45,000 feet deprives them of oxygen, does the pilot have to go up to 45,000 feet for that? can he not shut down the oxygen and the pressurization for the passengers right from the cockpit? >> yes, he can. only 777, it was reported that it did go up to 45,000 feet. what you have to understand on the 777, the oxygen system is an

automatic oxygen system that is programmed along with the flight plan itself. this aircraft, if it went up to 43,000, the pressure altitude is 8,000 feet. if it went to 450, it would be 10,000 feet. but there are two buttons for the oxygen system. all the pilot or the co pilot would have to do is go to the manual mode on the oxygen system there. >> and they can override it. how much oxygen would the passengers have had in the oxygen masks? >> they would have had 22 minutes. all you have to do is run the pressurization controller up to 18,000 feet, the masks would drop, after 22 minutes, the pilot -- the co pilot allowed

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of the search over to other countries. do we have reason to believe that malaysia is hiding something here? joining me now, ralph richmond. >> in that part of the world, face is very important, the malaysian government was blindsided they didn't know what to do, it's sort of their benghazi scandal. the malaysian military was embarrassed, the malaysian airline was embarrassed. they couldn't make up their minds how to handle it, and they handled it very badly in the first few days. >> do you think the united states needs to insist on being more involved here? >> actually, no. for me, the most interesting aspect of this, apart from the mystery of what lapped to the airplane, it's getting people to

look at a corner of the world we've been ignoring. >> the criticism has been, the information is coming out piecemeal, coming out in a delayed fashion. they don't appear to have an organization such as the ntsb that's as well organized as the one we have. is there any international body who could step in and ashore -- there are three americans on board this flight, assure the american people this is being handled? >> i don't know. i deal with the strategic situation. yes, there are three americans on board, that matters, got it. think about how many americans are killed by drunk drivers every day, i think we all tend to lose perspective in these things. the most interesting aspect is malaysia. the small country of just under 30 million people. it's on paper, constitutional

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