they suspect the debris to be, one place where a commercial airliner could crash without a ship spotting it, a radar prodding it or even a satellite picking it up. officials say the objects they have spotted appear to be fairly large. >> thanks for joiningç us. "fox & friends" takes it over from here. bye. good morning. it is thursday, march 20. i'm elisabeth hasselbeck. we start with a fox news alert. while you were sleeping, brand-new satellite images from the australian government show possible debris from that missing malaysian flight. they are in an extremely remote part of the indian ocean. >> moments ago malaysian officials had to say this in a press conference about what we found so far. >> every effort is being made to locate the objects sitting in the satellite

imagery. it must be stressed that these sightings while credible areç still to be [inaudible] plane. >> this happened in the middle of the night for us. the satellite photos short time ago? >> reporter: they're taking this seriously. there are two objects which they have identified on satellite images. one of those objects is, they say, 24 meters, about 80 feet long. these images were taken on

sunday. they have only just come to light. they're not very clear. we must emphasize that the australian authorities while they're taking this very seriously, they think this is a promising lead but we haven't confirmed yesterday that this is mh317. they've gotç assets in the area searching for it. but they do believe this is a very promising lead. >> the mammoth of this imagery was discovered to reveal an object that might indicate debris. simply, it is credible enough to divert research to this area on the basis it provides a promising lead to what might be wreckage. >> it is not easy to pinpoint this wreckage. it is 1,500 miles off the australian coast in a very remote area. this part of the indian ocean is quite typical there to find debris. the weather right now is also very bad and there's also the possibility that this wreckage could have drifted quite far from when

those images were taken last sunday. at the moment there areç military from australia, from the u.s. and new zealand. we understand two of those planes reached the area where those images were taken. whether they can spot that wreckage straight away remains to be seen. the malaysian authorities are telling us they are still continuing their searches in other parts where the plane could have ended up but certainly this is sad news today for relatives of those who were on board because this may mean if this is imagery that those people on board would not have survived. >> thank you. we should also point while they say there is no certainty it is part of the plane, some are completely dismissing it. there is a professor in sydney who says it is probablyç a shipping container. if you saw the movie all is lost with harrison ford it was a bobbing shipping container that hit his sailboat and derailed that. >> there's a lot of different scenarios out there. it also brings up if it is in fact the plane or it is

a shipping container, whatever it is, it says you're likely to be able to narrow it down by saying what floats on a plane and then does that match up? what about the huge piece? is that the piece the size of a wing? is it too big to be the tail? >> all this while the families on board are clinging for any information which could potentially get more devastating by the minute. the "wall street journal" actually right now had reported that malaysian officials had known for days. we want to go over a time line. the malaysian officials had known for days that the plane was not in theç area near malaysia. when you look at the time line, this is search time, when you're looking for one person they say hours are critical, minutes are critical. we're talking days here. march 11 the british company hand over information to a partner company. march 12 that info was turned over to malaysian officials. march 13, the info could have arrived in kuala lumpur. march 15, malaysia finally

releases the info to the public. crucial days and hours. >> we're looking in the wrong area. >> we were looking in the wrong area for four days. the reason, we have talked on this program in the past about how there is distrust among the countries out there. apparently the "wall street journal" says the malaysian government was worried about how much information to release. they didn't want to upset anybody that they were changing the story once again. but the way -- if that stuff floating right there is part of the airplane, that means that the airplane wound up going exactly the opposite direction it set off to go. >> we want to give the next part of the story. doug luzader is here, fox news correspondent. decade under your belt in terms of piloting experience. doug, you're joining us live in washington as part of our coverage this morning. thank you for being with us. does this size of the potential debris that we're talking about, is that what makes this such a credible

lead? >> reporter: elisabeth, it seems that is the most promhcing element when they look at this. it is obviously very difficult when you look at these satellite images to discern [inaudible] when you start talking about an object that is 80 feet long, it is possible that may be a shipping container. yes, this is a heavily trafficked route and shipping containers fall off ships with alarming frequency. that is a possibility but something they have to rule out as they move forward. this does fit that southerly track they have been talking about. one of the things they are going to be looking at here is what part of the aircraft this can be. we mentioned 80 feet. you have a lot of big surfaces on anç aircraft of this size, about 210 feet in length, win span 200 feet. it is possible this could be the combination of the hor -- horizontal

stabilizeer. the size of these objects is what they're going to be relying on. >> doug, thaer -- doug, thank you. >> they did get a plane out there. there are few of them. all types of assets are steaming there. a commercial vessel is hours away from getting to where it's supposed to be. so far the clouds, rain and the weather make it impossible toç see. if this is the plane, how did it end up in such a remote area? if so, how do we recover it? >> joining us, aviation safety expert and former accident investigator for the marine corps, matt robinson joins us now. matt, thank you for being with us here. what does this tell you in terms of location, particularly the water here, the depth? we're talking two miles

down in terms of search. possible? >> absolutely possible. in terms of location here, prove it. as we've seenth the satellite imagery that led toç this, to the initial search, it was ostensibly pieces of aircraft. it needs to be proven via surface and aircraft closer examination of this debris. once that's determined, excellent, we are off to the races. but guess what? get comfortable because it is going to take a long time to actually salvage this aircraft if it is in fact this aircraft. it takes weeks if not months to do this. i've done this at sea, search for aircraft and then salvage. it is a long involved process. >> it is very difficult especially if things are at least 12,000 feet down. that is at the same level where they found the titanic. matthew, if we're looking at parts of the airplane, presumably the black box, the emergency beacon, would

be there. would one of our detector airplanes beç able to hear the ping? >> i can't speak to if the aircraft would be able to hear it or not. the way i've utilized before is this side scan sonar deployed under the water, that will be able to hear it. but it need to be in fairly close proximity of the acoustic beacon to be able to hear and hone in on it. and they'll do another grid search just under water at that point to search for that signal. >> matt, i know it's a leap because what you pointed out, the chinese said we spotted something, it turned outç to not be the plane. with the current the way it is, the crash time assuming it was the way it was, if these two pieces are from the plane, how hard will it be to find the rest of it being that the currents there and where it's located? >> that's a great question.

my favorite tool as investigator, my list of contacts. if i was lead investigator in this, my best friend would be an oceanographer and have them right beside me and plotting the path that these objects would have taken in the currents and then go from that and tracing it back to the point of origin. >> because we heard a little while ago from our meteorologist maria molina, you've got the counter clockwise current in that part of the world and the winds, the loft and at the at certain times. >> exactly. there's more challenges at hand here. night's coming up, the bad weather. just expect a significant delay here until conditions are right to safely conduct the rest of the search. >> how potentially dangerous, if this is indeed what you're indicating, how dangerous is this for those on search and rescue given those conditions? >> one of the key tenets of

an investigator is not get anybody else hurt during the course of the investigation. they need to take a look at the weather, all the other factors. anybody else hurt. that need to be mitigated. if it means putting the search off for 24 hours, so be it. >> matt, would you know, and this might be out of your scope, why if we have satellite images on the 16th and we're sitting here on the 20th, why are we getting this on the 20th all for press conferences if they just came off the conveyor belt? >> there could be a myriad of reasons. too many to go into and i really wouldn't be able to speculate on that. spoil -- >> the search area has been a quarter of a million square miles so that's probably of it. matt robinson, thank you for joining us live today. >> coming up, a man who helped recover twa flight

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the latest on the search for missing flight 370. how will investigators find the plane in the water? and what can we expect to get from the black boxes if what we have spotted 1500 miles south and west of perth is indeed the plane? joining us is the former f.b.i. assistant director of the f.b.i. who investigated the crash of wtaç -- twa flight 800. good morning. what do you think? >> i don't know. 50-50. there's a lot of stuff floating around the ocean. >> it is a possibility it is the plane, possibility it is a shipping container. it's big.

>> why would you fly all the way for those many, many hours and eventually crash the airplane? >> in a completely different direction. >> it could be true but defies logic. >> let's assume it is. we're looking at satellite of big hunks of the airplane. in your situation the water was about 130 feet deep? everybody saw where it fell out of the sky. this is a much differentç situation. >> much different. we had three radars that ping it pretty well. it took us four days getting radar there dragging it through the ocean to find distinct piles of debris and all the other stuff, the bodies and all the other stuff. that evening when we got there, there was numerous debris on the ocean floating, including about 100 bodies. >> of course with twa

flight 800 there was a lot of speculation. >> it was tons. we had over 200 witnesses that they think they saw something attacking the plane. we had pierre sal lynn skwrer from paris drunk and stupid talking about french intelligence. >> after a thorough investigation it was figured out it was an exploding fuel tank. >> basically empty means 30 gallons of fuel turned to vapor and exposed wiring. high voltage jumped over to low voltage. >> they reassembled the entire plane in a hangar at jfk. given the fact this is 1,500 miles south and west of perth, if it is the plane and been floating in the indian for the last 12 days, it is going to be hard to figure out what happened and find all the parts? >> if it is a crash scene -- and they willç find

the debris field electronically -- they can send a robot down there and hopefully recover the black box. that might tell them something. in the case of twt, it told us nothing. all the normal activity stopped, boom, it was over with. then if you've got to recover the plane you're talking about a major, major, major operation. >> this is 100 times deeper than what you were talking about with yours. if it was as simple as some have suggested -- a fire which would have cut off the transponder and acars and could haveç prevented the pilots from radioing for hefp, would that be -- radioing for help would that be detected on the black box? >> you'd get the audio on the black box and get the data, but, yes, you would get that. >> of course it's still too early to know whether or not it is even a plane.

>> that is a big muddle. the whole thing is built on a pretty shaky foundation to begin with. it is hard to be definitive. >> we're lucky you decided to stay with us all three hours today. we're going to be watching the news and see what else there is for us to talk about. thank you. meanwhile, coming up, the video is absolutely heartbreaking.ç new reaction this morning from the families of the missing passengers. that is coming up next from take a closer look at your fidelity green line and u'll see just how much it has to offer, especially if you're thinking of moving an old 401(k) to a fidelity ira.

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new information just coming in right now about breaking news on the plane. a navy spokesman sayrç the p-8 poisedon aircraft has returned to perth, australia, with nothing to report. after flying a ten-hour search mission in the indian ocean. it searched over the area designated by australians earlier in the day for approximately four hours and found nothing it thought might to be the wreckage. however it is not clear if the area where the debris was spotted is this area that the p-8 was searching. it won't take off again for another ten hours or so. >> we don't know exactly where it was going. news of these images has loved ones of the 239 people on board -- that includes 12 crew members -- desperate for some answers. we're live in washington with the latest word from one american family urgently waiting for information and holdingç out just a little bit of hope.

>> reporter: that is one texas family. in the meantime, for all the families this latest news is a double-edged sword. it could mean they might finally have answers but it could also be a sign that their loved ones are lost at sea. or it could be nothing. in beijing, families of many of those missing on flight 370 gathered to hear the latest news. they were given phone numbers of government contacts but one family member said the numbers don't work and there was this outburst of emotion. listen. you can hear all the anger and frustrationç in his voice. the man said we don't trust you anymore -- talking about the government. he urged the other family members to stand up and protest. he was expressing frustration of families told all kinds of conflicting information about the possible fate of the missing plane. in texas there is one family watching and waiting for any word on the fate of 50-year-old phillip wood,

an i.b.m. employee and father of two college age boys. the family posted on facebook this morning, quote, please keep all the passengers and loved ones of mh-370 in your prayers as this latest news unfold. yesterday the anger boiled over in kuala lumpur when one woman interrupted a news conference there demanding information about her missingç son. the agony and watching and waiting continues for those families. >> that woman steve showed in those images, she was later dragged out of the room and the world press caught that. it was a huge embarrassment for malaysia and later the prime minister said we shouldn't have done that, and there is going to be an investigation into why he pulled that woman kicking and screaming out of the room. >> exponential agony for the families as they wait for details. maria molina is standing by. maria, what can you tell

us -- we heard about the oceanography, currents, weather, all the concerns. what is your take? >> theç area is very remote and we have poor radar coverage. that makes the search more difficult. the indian ocean is known to be relatively warm with average temperatures in the 70's, low 80's degrees farenheit. the region we're looking atth, n indian ocean. south of 40 degrees latitude temperatures do fall off quickly. we could be looking at temperatures in the low 60's, possibly colder than that. that is something a little heart wrenching to think about, those water temperatures out here. the weather has not been cooperating for search efforts. we have a disturbance moving through and you can see it on the satellite picture. all of that cloud cover moving in a general eastward direction producing choppy seas out here. you have rough wind conditions and a disturbance that is going to hinderç visibility out here. poor visibility in the region.

the ocean current generally flowing counterclockwise across the indian ocean and the location we're looking at across the southern indian ocean, you would have the ocean current flowing from west to east. that would push any debris in an eastward direction. so the actual crash site which of course we do not know yet, that's not confirmed that that has occurred here in the southern indian ocean, but that could be generally about 180 to 250 miles to the west of what the satellite images have shown. and like you've heard, that picture is from march 16, so we have days away here. we're on march 20ç now. so this could have potentially moved farther to the east. i also want to point out just off the coast of the western parts of australia, we have something called the naturalist plateau. this is a plateau located in the deeper ocean water. this is a large sea shell of. it is about 9,800 feet deep. that's a little less than the deepness of the indian ocean. that is the average which

is about two miles deep or 12,000 feet. that would be a little shallower out here. surrounding that, very deep water, 16, 400 feet deep. just heartbreaking here. we're looking at a storm system rolling through parts of the southern indian ocean. once that does move through, quieter conditions will follow. >> if this debris is the debris of the plane, the rest of the plane could be thousands of miles away. >> thank you, maria. that would explain why the australian military has got a c-130 hercules dropping marker buoys in the ocean so they can figure out where exactly -- to maria's point, where the currents are going. >> it does seem they are taking this quite seriously. meanwhile, this morning's breaking developments on the missing plane are shifting theories. the former ambassador to the united nations john bolton says you cannot rule out terror. the guardian is now reporting using their experts that for this

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good morning. if you are just waking up, there is breaking news on theç missing malaysian airlines jet. debris was spotted on satellite in a remote part of the indian ocean.

and australians say it is the most credible lead yet. however, search conditions are tough and visibility is low. planes haven't located anything yet. malaysian officials warn not to jump to conclusions. >> every effort is being made to locate the objects sitting in the satellite imagery. it must be stressed that these sightings, while credible are still to be confirmed. >> meantime u.s. navy spokesman jeff telling fox news our aircraft has returned to perth, australia, with, quote, nothing toç report after flying a ten-hour search mission. however, it is not clear that they were searching the new debris field or another section assigned to them earlier in the day. >> meanwhile everybody is searching in the world's third largest body of water, the indian ocean which has an average depth of nearly 12,000 feet, that means about two miles deep. officials say the objects they have spotted on surveillance satellite

appear to be fairly large. the biggest estimated to be about 80 feet long, one-third of the length or width if you include the wing span of the airplane. in addition, there is another piece that is about 15 feet big. 18 ships, 29 aircraft and 6 helicopters are currently involved. >> it was described by some as having little objects around it, some say a bitç of a debris field. >> just a few hours before that press conference, the australian maritime safety authority spoke about these grainy satellite images. >> joining us now from london with that part of our coverage is kitty logan. is there new information we've learned from australian authorities since that unbelievable press conference, or actually messages from the floor of the parliament earlier today? >> the australian authorities identified those two objects on satellite images which were taken last sunday on the 16th of march, some days

ago. we understand the location of those images wasñr around 1,500 miles off the australia coast. we believe there are two large objects about 80 feet long. the authorities are adamant they cannot yet confirm this is wreckage from mh370 but they are taking this very seriously. they consider this a very strong possible lead. >> the mammoth of this imagery was discovered to reveal a possible object that might indicate a debris field. we have passed the information. quite simply it is credible enough to divert research to this area on the basis it provides a promising lead to what might be wreckage. >> military planes are being deployed from perth, australia, also u.s. assets and a new zealand air force in play. but we have learned in the last hour orç so from the australian maritime authorities that one of those planes has returned to base having not spotted anything so far.

but you do need to bear in mind there are poor weather conditions in the area. visibility is a factor at present. also the light is now fading. that will affect the search. also experts are pointing out this wreckage may have drifted in the days since those satellite images have taken. also there is technology that can help locate that. but this is also a factor. the malaysia transport minister has been speaking recently. he said this morning that they are still continuing to search in other areas where the plane may have gone downç or may have ended up even though the search off of australia is intensifying. whatever the outcome, this is certainly not good news for the relatives of those on board because if this is imagery, if it has gone down in this particular area, it is very unlikely there would have been any survivors. >> kitty, thank you. >> it is 4,350 miles from where we last knew when this plane was. they took in how much fuel it had and how long it

could go without any power at all and glide and that is how they helped narrow down the search. our next guest says you should not rule out terrorism. joining us is john bolton. thank you for joining us. why is this lead after getting so many that seemed to take everyone in multiple directions, why is this?x&ead so credible? >> i think we trust the professionalism you have the australians and their -- professionalism of the australians and their professionism. days after we had chinese imagery in the gulf of thailand. it proved to be erroneous. i think it remains to be seen this is the airplane. but i think we've worked with australia long enough to know we can have confidence in the judgment that this is worth pursuing. >>sam: -- >> and it is refreshing and more hopeful that the australians are in charge of this part as opposed to the malaysians.

there is a story in the "wall street journal" that talks about how aç britain satellite operator turned over data to the malaysians days into the wrong -- searching the wrong part. and as we detail right here, people knew, the malaysians knew for four days they were searching in the wrong place but they didn't want to tell anybody because they looked stupid. >> yeah. look, the malaysian authorities were overwhelmed and in over their heads from the moment they knew the plane was missing. they never experienced anything like this before. they didn't have the capability to handle it. they didn't call in outside help like from the united states because of feelings of shame, embarrassment and national humiliation like when you lose your wallet you don't like to announce it to everybody -fpblt you keep hoping something would turn up. except in this case thereç were hundreds of people involved and valuable time was lost. we may be on the verge of making that up. but the initial handling of

the investigation contributed to the mystery and conspiracy theory. >> the guardian is reporting that the discovery of the debris if it turns out to be the plane, the only way that plane could get where it was, it would have to be deliberately flown off course. their security expert says they would not have reached the search zone without human intervention. what do you conclude from that statement? >> i think until we get the body of the aircraft, one conspiracy theory is as good as another. we just don't know because the location of the plane doesn't tell you anything about theç motivation of the people who took it there. let's just be steady here until we can confirm that it's the aircraft and then if it's in 12,000 feet of water we're not going to get it any time real soon so we could still have a prolonged period here. >> ambassador john bolton with his expertise, thank you. >> if that missing jet did go down in the indian ocean

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passing a bill that would allow rand paul to run for two federal offices for once, the senate and the white house. paul says he's considering to run for president but that he will also run to keep his place in the senate that same year. the move would have put him at odds with the state law banning the same candidate from being on the ballot twice. the u.s. army private convicted of leaking classified information is petitioning to change his name. bradley edward manning formally requested to change his name to chelsea elizabeth manning. manning declared in august that he wanted to be treated as a woman while incarcerated and would go to court to obtain hormone treatment. the hearing has been scheduled for april 23 atç fort levinsworth in kansas where manning is serving a 35-year sentence. >> military aircraft from the u.s., australia and new zealand are look for two objects spotted in the

southern indian ocean that could be related to the missing malaysian airlines flight. but right now rain, clouds making it extremely tough. but it is a very different location than the original search area. so how would the plane have ended up there? joining us is pilot aviation expert and great resource for us during this whole crisis,ç j.p. we saw this plane last 4,350 miles from where it might be now. what questions do you now have? >> how did it get there, first of all? it made a turn after he made his last good night call which to me from the very beginning was the wrong pattern. that was not the pattern for a handoff from an aircraft that was supposed to go from ho chi minh control and return to pay king. how did he get there? using the navigation system. he didn't have to use that. he could have disconnected

the nav system, gone to lateral navigation and flown the aircraft down, climbed to a high altitude. 4,000 miles is not out of the realm of possibility but you'veç had ten days of currents. if this is in fact the debris field. >> 1,700 miles off the coast in the southern indian ocean. what do we have there? >> first of all up north we have diego garcia, a u.s. base leased from the u.k. government. we have submarines, surface aircraft. we have a satellite system up there. we have a resupply system. that is probably one of the staging areas. >> with this rain and with the current and with the clouds it's going to be a tough day for us to get a follow-up story to this although we understand there will be a commercial vessel there within a couple of hours.ç having said that, there's some reports of experts who say let's say the debris field is the plane and the good night call is the last

thing we heard. the only way to get it there is threub rat pilot -- deliberate pilot action. do you agree? >> yes. there is always that 10%, 20% catastrophic failure. the auto pilot would not have stayed on in a critical condition like that. the auto pilot when it suffers a lot of turbulence could be kicked off. when someone tells me there was a catastrophic failure of all the electrical systems, et cetera, et cetera, that airplane is not going to fly for another 1,000 or even 500 miles. that thing had to be guided by some human hand. it would not have followed it because once you went off that navigation system plugged in, the aircraft doesn't know where to goç anymore. it runs out of thought process. it's not programmed. but the person in there could program it without the nav. >> we have these two pieces of major size debris, 15 feet, one is 80 feet. i heard -- you would know better -- that 80 feet is

too big to be the tail. would it be the wing? >> of course. the 200 foot wing span, 80 foot on the side, take the fuselage in the middle or break off a good portion off the engine. >> would it float? >> if the engine is on it, it might not float, but without the engine,ç those engine cells would have torn off because they are designed to fail before the wing fails. in other words, where the engines are hooked up to the pylons they would have ripped off in the ocean. that is an ocean, not the hudson river. so, yes that could be a section of the wing and the engines are deep sixed. >> all scenarios, you're prepared to handle it, j.p., thanks so much. 11 minutes until the top of the hour. a theory about what happened to flight 370 you have not heard before. could it be the same thing that brought down a plane in dubai four years ago?

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this is a fox news alert. possible discovery of debris spotted by satellite a couple days ago. could those things that are floating in the indian ocean be missing parts from flight 370? could this new information debunk the theory that this was caused by pilot sabotage or hijacking or piracy? could a fire on board be responsible? it would not be the first time. >> no. last night shep actually had a guest on who was talking about the potential of this based on the path. take a listen. >> this also explains perhaps why there was no communication or the acars dropping off

because when the aircraft is on fire, these components actually drop off by the protection circuits and perhaps pilots actually turning them off because when you have an electrical fire, any kind of fire, you start turning off components and perhaps the radios were not working where they could have made any contact. again, as i mention on several interviews, on board fires probably the worst case scenario because the fire promulgates so rapidly in an aircraft that sometimes there is absolutely no time. there was a ups 747 freighter crash a few years ago that was carrying lithium ion batteries and they crashed in dubai. that was very, very much in my

mind every time i saw this and again, i had heard some news that this aircraft may have been carrying a shipment of lithium ion batteries in the cargo department. >> so there is a history of lithium batteries causing problems. and if it were as simple as a fire, which would have disabled acars and also the transponders, why did the plane wind up making a complete 180 from where it was going? one of the theories is had they turned around because of a fire and then had the smoke and fumes disabled the crew and essentially it would have been what geraldo was talking to us last friday about, essentially a payne stewart situation where the crew and passengers are overcome, they're knocked out and it simply keeps flying until it runs out of gas. >> but the problem with that theory is that the left turn was made -- they say a lot of times you make a turning to to the

nearest airstrip because it's a panic situation. but he made the turn and then said good night in a normal tone. not a stress tone. >> could be completely unrelated. >> why would you use that moment to say, all right, good night, and not indicate that there was some sort of abrupt incident on board? a question on everybody's mind as we pore through this with the breaking details that have come through overnight. >> we have a lot of breaking details this morning. our live team coverage continues in a couple of minutes. plus the very latest on the rest of the day's news. is that part of missing malaysian flight 370 out in the indian ocean to the south and west of australia? we'll be right back

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brand-new satellite images spotted far off the coast of australia. they could be part of the missing malaysian airlines jet that vanished on march 8. >> right now 18 ships, 29 aircraft, and six choppers have been sent to the search area. close to a quarter of a million square miles. one of them, u.s. navy search plane, the pa poseidon returned to land. it was in the sky ten hours look. so far no sign of the missing plane or debris field. but navy officials were not sure if it even searched the area where this new satellite imagery of debris was spotted. if it is debris. >> right. meanwhile, another big question, if those photos are indeed accurate, where is the plane now? there is no telling how far ocean currents may have carried the floating debris because those pictures were taken on march 16. >> that's right. and you've got the counter encloses wise current as you can

see, under the sea and on top and surface winds that might be going another direction. >> this is terrible weather conditions for the search crew there. kitty logan is joining us from london with an update from the front line. what is the very latest? >> reporter: as you say, so far there have been no success in the search for this wreckage. it's not going to be easy despite this breakthrough, despite these new images. the australian maritime authorities have tweeted in the past hour to say their search plane has also come back with no results, no sightings at all. but also they say to bear in mind there is very poor weather in the area, limited visibility. and the drift factor. it's possible that that wreckage could have drifted quite a distance between now and sunday, the 16th, when these images were first taken. also the australian authorities are keen to emphasize this may not be the wreckage of the plane, but they're taking it

extremely seriously. they do think could be a possible lead. >> this was discovered to reveal possible object that might indicate a debris field. we have passed the information. quite simply, it's credible enough to divert the research to this area on the basis it provides a promising lead to what might be wreckage. >> reporter: this is going to be a difficult search. the location of these images is 1500 miles off the australian coast. the australian military is deploying its air force out there. also u.s. assets and new zealand air force is going to take part in this search. and the malaysian authorities have confirmed that despite this information which they call credible, they will be continuing to coordinate searches in other areas where the plane may have ended up. certainly still a lot of questions out there. but for the relatives, this is possibly a very sad day because if this turns out to be the wreckage of mh 370, if it has

crashed in this location, it is sadly very unlikely that there would be any survivors. >> all right. thank you very much for the live report from london. she brought up the drift factor. that's important today because as it turns out, there is a story in the "wall street journal" talking about how the malaysians knew three or four days earlier that the whole world was looking in the wrong place and they simply wouldn't reveal their hand because they didn't want to look like they were keystone cops. >> it's inexcusable they wasted all our assets and the investigation was hindered because they weren't candid about what they didn't know and what they did know. for example. >> on march 11, british satellite company handed over information to a partner company, thenrch 12 info was turned over to malaysian officials. march 13, that info likely arrived in kuala lumpur. the 15th, the malaysia finally released information to the public. precious time passed. >> four days early they could

have known what was going on and apparently the satellite company revealed, you know those two tracks we saw, the one that goes up toward pakistan and india? that was one of the tracks possible and the other one was to the south which is about where we're at right now. had the malaysians announced the fact that we've got these two tracks, we could have been looking earlier. but instead, we wasted four days because they wanted to corroborate it with the ntsb and the faa here in the united states and after the ntsb and faa looked at it, they said the british satellite was right. you should have told people this four days ago. >> there you see where the plane was. we lost it. and then 4350 miles now we found out what could be debris from the last time we had communication. meanwhile. >> new developments coming this hour. fox news correspondent doug luzader, ten years piloting experience, he's joining us from washington with this part of our coverage. doug, let me ask you, what

they're seeming to find here from satellite, is the debris here, the potential plane that, credible enough to discount the search areas that we were looking at prior to today? >> reporter: well, to the point that australian officials were asked a similar question said they are really shifting most of their focus to this area. so they seem relatively confident that there is a high likelihood this could be debris from the aircraft and a lot of that has to do with the perceived size. they think it's about 80 feet or so, which may be consistent with wreckage from an airliner the size of a boeing 777, and the location. this is really striking. this was kind of the extreme southern route of the possible path of that airliner based on the final satellite pings received. so it's kind of consistents with a possible position, at least. then the question is, if that's where the wreckage is, where would the actual airliner be? for that, they're going to have to figure out not just ocean currents, but also wind speed. all of this raises the question

of where that search is going to move at this point, if they can get their hands on that wreckage. one of the things that everybody always asks about is the black box flight recorder. it can survive at the depths they're talking about here. maybe in excess of 10,000 feet. there is some precedent for this. air france flight 447 back in 2009. it took them a couple of years to find that black box, long after the battery here, which powers that pinging device, long after that battery had run out. they were still able to locate it. it's not easy. again, it took a couple of years. the good news in this situation is we still should have almost three weeks left in that battery, maybe closer to two weeks, to try to find this thing while it's still sending out the pinging signal. but they have to get within at least the ballpark of where that wreckage is before they can begin honing in on that signal. back to you. >> thank you very much. to hone in on that signal, we were told they would have to

deploy underwater sonar and radar to listen for the pinging. if they can find it, that will give them better idea. >> the black box is 420 hours left before it shuts off. >> to ping. but it should retain the information within. >> right. >> with the pinger, underwater locater, the beacon makes it easier to find. we're joined on the phone with associated press airline reporter scott, who has been following the story from the beginning. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> what do you think? >> this is the best thing that we've had happen so far. but there have been so many twists and turns in this instance that we can't be 100% sure. i'm pretty hopeful given the path of the plane and just who is searching. >> is this search in areas like pakistan, is that still going on as reported? are they taking search efforts

there and placing them south? >> everybody is still looking out in all possible parts, north and south. it's just those in the southern area have rediverted to this area and checking the best lead we have to date. >> who is leading this? i saw the malaysian authorities speak after the press conference, hours after, just before we came on the air. who is in charge? who do you go to for answers? >> international precedent is still that the country where the airplane came from and the country where the disaster happened is in charge. as of now, that's still malaysia. but the australians are the ones closest. this is a four-hour flight from australia, just to get out to the wreckage field. so their assets and they're talking publicly about what they're doing. so far that's the strongest theory this morning. >> if what they have found off the coast of australia by about -- to the south and west,

about 1500 miles, if that is part of the debris of the flight, it still doesn't explain why the plane is exactly 180 degrees from the direction it took off from. >> yes. that is the biggest mystery out there. finding the debris gives us hope that investigators will be able to piece together what happened. it will take us a long time to have answers here. but having debris field gives us that hope of finding those black boxes. it took air france nearly two years to recover them. but hopefully we will. >> one of the reasons, a couple reasons why we need to recover them, for the families, number one. number two, if it was a terror incident, we need to make adjustments. if it was a boeing 777 problem, we need to make adjustments. correct? >> yeah. if you look back in history of aviation, the industry has been very good at taking past mistakes, fixing them and moving forward. that's why today it's safe tore

fly than ever before. we need this black box. it's crucial to find out what happened in that cockpit and on the rest of that plane so we can learn from this incident and move forward. >> that's right. scott from the associated press, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> now maria molina, we've been hearing so much about the weather and tumultous conditions. what can you tell us as of now? >> we have that disturbance moving through parts of the southern indian ocean. something to note is that across northern hemissphere, in the southern area, they have a clockwise flow. that's the difference between northern hemisphere and southern. also of note, in that vicinity where we're looking at the area of interest, we also have a very deep trench. we've been talking about the indian ocean having a depth of about two miles deep or about 12,000 feet. this particular trench is about

24,000 feet deep. so that's a very deep area in that part of the ocean. also we do have a plateau that's located off the coast of western australia. that's a naturalist plateau. that is less deep. 9700 feet deep. the deepest part, though, teacher than 16,000 feet. so a lot of variables across parts of the southern indian ocean. temperature wise, it's relatively warm on average. about 70 degrees fahrenheit. but because the area we're looking at is so far south and areas south of 40 degrees latitude, you do see temperatures dropping quickly. we could see temperatures there at about 50 degrees fahrenheit. possibly even colder. ocean currents out here flow in a counter clockwise direction across parts of the southern indian ocean. so in that particular area, the ocean current would flow from west to east, meaning we could be looking at an impact area, if this does happen to be the area where the plane crashed, we could be looking at that crash

site to be up to 250 miles to the west of what we believe could be debris from this plane. so a lot of variables with this situation playing occupant. >> indeed. the drift factor. >> yes. >> thank you very much. coming up on this thursday, a man who helped recover flight 800, the twa flight from the bottom of the atlantic ocean. he will share his expertise on these new developments surrounding the missing malaysian flight 370. stick around. you're watching "fox & friends". i mean, look at it. so indulgent. did i tell you i am on the... [ both ] chicken pot pie diet! me too! [ male announcer ] so indulgent, you'll never believe they're light. 100-calorie progresso light soups.

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i should tell the house and we must keep this in mind, the task of locating these objects will be extremely difficult and it may turn out that they are not related to the search for flight mh 370. >> that's australian prime

minister reacting to these new satellite images a short time ago spotted off the coast of australia. that happened this morning. there is a massive search underway right now for that wreckage. but it's been 13 days since the plane disappeared and these satellite photos are from the 16th and the black box has 18 more days of battery life left. joining us to offer his expertise is the former assistant director of the f.b.i he investigated the crash of flight 800 over here on long island. you went to put that whole plane back together. first off, the black box is getting them now in water this deep. how tough? >> if the debris ends up being the plane and if it's in 2,000 feet instead of -- they'll sean robot down and hopefully they'll find them and bring them up. >> what do you think is a conceivable amount of time it would take, from what we know about this ocean, to get it

back, again, if that is the drifted debris? >> this case is geometriccally more difficult. we knew where the debris field was after four days of sonar. we had the resource of the u.s. navy, all of the resource, diving resources here on station and we were in 130 feet of water. so it's going to be totally different and much, much harder. in that case the black box told us nothing. it just stopped. it was a catastrophic explosion. so we had to -- not necessarily ntsb, but the f.b.i. had to recover almost all the airplane so we could say that this wasn't terrorism. if we only had 80% of it, we couldn't really say that because we didn't examine at all. so it was a real challenge for the bureau. >> when you talk about the debris that we have, we understand there is smaller pieces around, the two huge

pieces, one is 80 feet in length. what could be ruled out from what i just told you? >> i think you got to see it. a day after twa flight 800, the debris field was ten miles long. a week later we were finding debris in cape may in jersey. so this is going to be spread out a long time. if it's not a massive trailing debris field, if this is the airplane, it kind of tells me we're not talking about a catastrophic event. we're talking about just going into the ocean. the whole thing makes no sense to me. >> why? >> why is it flying down there? what is the purpose? what is the purpose and the motive of why they took this plane? if they took it, or whoever took it? why would you just fly into the indian ocean where there is no place to land? if you want to kill yourself, why don't do you it sooner? what are you doing for that time? >> not only are you an investigatessor and aviation with the twa flight, but you also understand government.

when i see the prime minister make that announcement from the floor of parliament and it's australia, not malaysia, i'm sensing this is more than a hunch, that i really feel good and that they feel good that that thank is it. what about you? >> i think they feel good that there is debris there. i don't think they feel necessarily good that this is it because there is a lot of debris floating around. i hope it's it. but i don't think they know that. i don't think they've actually gone and looked at it and saw the markings and then coming back and playing cute. i don't think they're doing that. >> that's true. when i see the announcement by the prime minister and a situation like that when he knows the cameras will be watching and the world watching, a little different than when we saw it in the south china sea. >> i think he's accurate what he's telling us. they're great. they're one of our staunchest allies and very savvy technically. so yes. we have to put eyeballs on it. >> you tell me the black box was no help to you. it was a catastrophic event. this will be different now because this flew it seems for hours.

>> this will be different. but it's still very, very strange, brian. very strange as to the motive. >> james, thanks so much. we're going through it like you're going through it. it's just through all your years of experience. >> hopefully they'll get eyeballs on it quickly. >> they hope it have a civilian vessel there within hours. thank you very much. coming up, it's march madness. the white house is using it as an opportunity to promote obamacare. it sounds strange. we'll explain. play close. good and close.

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we will have more on the possible debris that is located in the indian ocean. first, other headlines this morning. ukraine raising the white flag in crimea. the country ordering mass troop withdrawals as russia tightens its grip in the region. the u.s. hit russia with

sanctions and now russia threatening to retaliate by changing its stance on iran. moscow's envoy warning russia may stop cooperating in nuke talks. and the white house in full sell mode now. ahead of the march 31st deadline to sign up for obamacare, ad promoting the affordable care act will begin airing during the games. president obama taking an appearance on the ellen degeneres show today in an attempt to get you, the people, signed up. the justice department no longer responsible for checking the election procedures in states with a history of racial discrimination. instead it plans to search the country for voting rights violations and will be more pro-active in protecting minority voters. the department is expanding its reach under the voting rights act which allow it is to sue jurisdictions for unfair voting practices. scary moment in the middle of a baseball game. line drive smash sends a pitch tore the hospital. he was carted off the field with

fractures above his left eye and nose after chapman left the field, the two managers decided not to continue that game. he was kept overnight in the hospital for observation. steve, over to you. >> thank you. fox news alert. breaking news, massive search underway in the indian ocean for possible debris from missing flight 370. but how credible are these satellite images? they just look like grainy blobs to us. so we have called in image analyst tim brown with global security. joining us from the washington, d.c. area. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> as we look at that, they're grainy. they're white objects against a black or blue ocean. what do you see? >> i see the exact same thing. i think that the australians were very careful in couching these images because they said if you look at the top of the --

it says possible objects associated with the aircraft. possible objects. they're not saying these are definite objects. the prime minister was on tv, they're very careful to say it's possible object. that's why they're sending aircraft to eyeball them. i think at this point, it's very preliminary to say whether or not these things are part of the debris. >> exactly. one of the objects is about 80 feet long. the other is about 15 feet long, which would be consistent with perhaps part of a tail section or a wing. is that something you could depict from looking at these things? >> no. i don't think so. they're just large objects and another problem is this is almost on the very outside of the radius or the possible radius of the aircraft. it's pushing the very limits of

debris. another problem is that the ocean is 10,000 feet deep. so they're going to have -- that's two miles down. they're going to have to spend quite a bit of time recovering the flight data recorders. we could be years waiting for results of what happened here. if this is where they are. we still don't know that yet. >> you're right. it is possible. that's the way the australians are couching it. others are saying it could be a shipping container. there are a lot of those things that fall off the ship in that neck of the woods. explain if you would, since this is your business, what kind of a satellite would have taken these images? how high would it be from the earth? how do you explain the fact that the images apparently were taken on sunday and we're just now seeing them on thursday? >> first of all, the satellites fly from north to south every 90

minutes, four miles a second. this is a minute or minute and a half every two or three days. the other thing is they're operating about 2 or 300 miles above the earth. they're not 23,000 miles above the equator. they're fast moving and we don't exactly know which satellite this came from, but the problem is -- this is 80 feet long and they're much larger than a shipping container. we just don't know. >> we just don't know. but they found something. tim, before you go, final question for you. would these things have been spotted by the human eye or do you have computer programs to figure out oh, there is something right there? >> actually especially looking at trackless ocean, much quicker

at identifying things. i think that's really a publicity stunt to have people look at all this stuff. the satellite is much able to look at huge areas much quicker. >> the big question is whether or not that's part of 370 and that's why we dispatch add flotilla in that area right now. we thank you very much for sharing your expertise this morning. it's now 7:30 here in new york city. straight ahead, the video absolutely heartbreaking. coming up, new reaction this morning from one of the families of one of the missing passengers. that is coming up. for paul ridley there's no substitute for advil. it's built to be as fast as it is strong and fights pain at the site of inflammation.

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difficult. malaysian officials say this is the best lead yet. they warn not to jump to any conclusions. >> been made to locate the object seen in the imagery. it must be stressed that these sighting, while credible, are still to be confirmed. >> the area there looking at has a depth of 12,000 feet that. means two miles in-depth there. officials say the object they spotted on surveillance appear to be fairly large. the biggest is estimated to be about 79 feet long. that's one third of the length or width if you include wing span of this plane. from that, is there anything that we can determine from these satellite images specifically? m.i.t. professor joins us now. what would you see these images, what do they tell you specifically in terms of the size of this potential debris?

>> the size of the debris is consistent with either a standard large iso shipping container, which are 80 feet long by 20 feet, or it would also be consistent with one of the larger pieces of the airplane, either the wing or the fuselage, most likely the wing. >> sure. and professor, we're just talking to a guy who analyzes stuff like this. he says that these images, while taken on sunday and just released now, they were taken bay satellite that was traveling, i think he said four miles a second. so how reliable are these images? >> the images are very reliable. the satellites are designed to take high resolution images. it's tough to see, as you look at the images, you can see there is also surface waves and whatever, so it's hard to detect the object in the surface. but the images are reliable. so there is definitely something there. the question is, is it a part of

the airplane or is it a container that fell off a container ship? it was not in a normal shipping zone. the other interesting thing is that it's a little bit further south of the end of the arc we would have expected the airplane to be on from the satellite data we had. however, it's possible that, because this was i think now six days after the airplane would have gone in, it would be consistent with surface drift. so that extra range could have just been the wreckage drifting over time. >> how much do you believe, if that is two pieces of debris, massive pieces of debris, how far away could the rest of the plane be? well, the rest of the plane could be five or 600 miles away from that. if the heavy wreckage sank right

after impact and these are lighter pieces that have continued to float, they could be spread out over a large area. so this would help us localize the search. you would go basically upstream and be looking for things on the bottom. it's important to get the acoustic sensing capability in range as quickly as possible. there is only about another 15 days left on the battery of the pinger on the flight data recorder. so that's why people would be anxious to get acoustic sensors in that area to see if there was anything being emitted. >> our navy, after ten hours of searching went back to perth, refueling now, as we are told. given the conditions of the ocean and the weather, what are its capabilities? >> it's got a good sensing capability. the problem is with the weather, a lot of the sensors won't see through the clouds. so they have to make a

decision -- they can do a low altitude search where they -- i don't actually know what the cloud base is there. you can get under the clouds. the challenge with that is the endurance of the airplane at low altitude is not as good at high altitude so they wouldn't have as much search time. also with low altitude, you can't see as far away. so you have a more limited search area. we will be very -- it will be very challenge to go do a search right now. >> one thing, if these are images, objects from that particular flight 370, it doesn't explain why, if the guys took off with this airplane headed north, why this would be thousands of miles south. >> yeah, it's going to be hard to figure out. even if we recover the cockpit voice recorder, which would give us the best indication of what was going on in the cockpit, it's not going to have information from the original diversion.

cockpit voice recorders normally only record 30 minutes or an hour of conversation. so you only have the last 30 minutes or last hour of the flight, which -- it will tell you if anybody was talking, if anybody was conscious on the airplane, but it won't tell you what happened in the original diversion. >> you say conscious. you think there is a possibility there is one theory that it could have been a fire and just like with the payne stewart small jet, it just went 'til it ran out of gas? >> we still have to carry that hypothesis. even if it was an intentional hijack, why were they in this part of the ocean? you're not heading for anything useful. to just run the airplane 'til it ran out of fuel is more consistent with some sort of incapacitation on the part of whoever was flying the airplane. this does appear to be consistent with about where the airplane would have run out of fuel on those arcs.

but we're still 12 days in, we're still trying to figure it out. >> we understand they were going by how much fuel they had and it any power and that's how they ended up where they ended up. as we get more information, we'd like to tap into that m.i.t. knowledge again if that's possible? >> sure. >> 20 minutes before the top of the hour. all of this news has loved ones of the 339 souls on board flight 370 desperate for answers. steve centanni is in washington with the latest. >> reporter: yeah. the anger and agony of the families boiled over again today. this time in beijing where the family members gathered to hear the latest news about debris found off the west coast of australia. they were given phone numbers for officials they could contact for updates, but one number didn't work. so one man urged the others to stand up and protest, telling government officials shame on you. we don't trust you anymore.

listen. angry reaction from the crowd. at kuala lumpur news conference today, malaysian officials acknowledged this intense family frustration. >> for the families around the world, the one piece of information that we want most that they want most is the information we just don't have, the location of mh 370. we must never, never give up hope. >> the family of philip wood is watching and waiting. 509-year-old ibm employee, the father of two college-age boys, is among those aboard the missing plane. a facebook page called finding philip wood, posted this message today in reaction to the latest news out of australia. it said, please keep all the passengers and loved ones of mh 370 in your positive thoughts

and prayers as this latest news report unfolds. so that emotional roller coaster they've been on for 12 days now continues for the families of 239 missing passengers and crew. back to you. >> all right. steve, thank you very much. the family members are upset because in their heart of hearts, they want to believe their family members are still alive somewhere. >> of course. they feel as though they've been denied information far too long. devastating. we'll bring you the latest. straight ahead, these satellite images could be the most important clue in finding that missing jet liner. a licensed commercial airplane pilot helps us find the meaning in these latest developments play close. good and close. help keep teeth clean and breath fresh with beneful healthy smile snacks. with soft, meaty centers and teeth cleaning texture ...it's dental that tastes so good. beneful healthy smilfood and snacks.

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about half of the city's parking meters don't work. over to you guys. our live coverage continues with a licensed commercial pilot and form new york state criminal investigator. john, we saw the debris. we've been looking about, talking about it and we hear that a commercial vessel is getting close to getting eyes on it. what are your conclusions so far >> to believe that that would be this aircraft, which would discount every fact, or at least things we were told about facts, the four way points that lead off into a direction, if this was a diversion due to a fire, there wouldn't be four way points. it would lead to an airport that leads you somewhere. the fact they went to 45,000 feet, the fact they came down to 23,000 feet, the biggest fact of all was that the last ping from the satellite was over myanmar, which is thousands of

miles in the opposite direction. how could an aircraft be identified over myanmar and end up in the southern indian ocean? >> how frustrating that the malaysian officials led us in that wrong direction? >> where do these facts come from? there really needs to be -- if that is the aircraft in the southern indian ocean, there needs to be an investigation into this investigation. where did we come up with the fact that the aircraft was over myanmar? who was identifying that when, in fact, it could have been anywhere? even back then that didn't make sense because thailand kicked off this 777 coming out of malaysia that far away from thai lapped, it certainly would have picked it up as it approached thailand and flew over thailand to get to myanmar. >> sure. john, as we look -- so that's where the debris has been found by a satellite a couple of days ago. so now we've dispatched airplanes out there. haven't spotted anything. there is a norwegian ship in the

region. but this is the third or fourth time we've been looking at debris. as it turns out, one of those hunks of stuff ha is floating is 80 feet, which is exactly the length of shipping containers that fall off ships all the time out there. >> right. it could be something else, but you know what? it's something we've got to jump on right away before it drifts too far. every lead has to be followed up on immediately. there were a lot of missed opportunities. there is no doubt in my mind that this investigation was totally handled incompetent and i'll tell you this, that when you compare what we can do here in the united states, you can absolutely see the blessing of american exceptionalism. we would be able to handle this a lot quicker, a lot faster and respond to it a lot more adeptly than what we saw. >> why didn't we? >> well, because there is jurisdictional issues. countries have to bring you into their country, ask you into their investigation. we could have conducted

researches. a lot of things are not known right now. how far the american government is actually involved in this. we may be involved to a certain point and we may be getting more involved and more involved. so there is some indication where some people have said the airplane landed in another place. well, maybe the government knew that and they're already working on that. so we never know what the c.i.a. and the federal government are doing at any given time and for good reason, they have to keep it secret. especially if we believe that one theory -- >> thanks so much for your skepticism because you can't just jump on board and look at these two shots and think we got the plane. thanks so much. >> thank you. great reminder there. getting ready to help with the search, what exactly can it do? that information coming up next is this the bacon and cheese diet? this is the creamy chicken corn chowder.

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fox news alert. military aircraft from the united states, australia and new zealand are searching for two objects spotted by satellite on sunday 1500 miles to the south and west of perth, australia. could that be related to the missing malaysian jet liner? that's the question. right now rain and clouds and weather making it very tough to search, but this is a very different location than the original search area. >> so what can radar tell us? joining us now is former advisor to the u.k. ministry of defense, michael caine. thank you for being with us. given your expertise here and the information that we're being brought about this potential debris, what does that tell you and then what should we be doing with that info? >> first thing i'd like to say is that taking the australian prime minister's comments that it could or may be malaysian 370

debris to actually unequivocally confirming that it is debris, there is still a long way to go. we've seen where the potential crash area location is, some 1600 miles off the southwestern tip of australia. it's still a huge expanse of water to be able to search. we've got four p 3 orions on task. it's a four hour trip to that area. these have a 13-hour endurance time. that means three hours loitering on task before they have to go back and refuel. that's going to make searching the area a lot more difficult. there is inclement weather in the region as well. these guys are going to be down at 200 feet. if the cloud base is down low, it will bring in visibility, it will make life very hard to confirm that this is p debris. >> so you have a situation where when we last had contact over 4,000 miles from where this debris is, who do you want to talk to now to get additional information if this is the path of the flight?

>> i think that's a really great point. that's where we need to be going. i sat on two boards of inquiry and everyone's zoned in on this area. if it were me, i'd be looking to collaborate through some other means. what i mean is if we go back to the last known point of the transponder ping, which was right in the middle of the south china sea, if you draw a direct line all wait to the potential crash area, it is consistent in terms of being on the outer fringes of a boeing 777 endures. so that is a positive. what i would say is there has been many inconsistencies with the way the radar traces have been picked up from malaysia, indonesia and thailand. i would be on the indonesians saying get me some traces and let's corroborate what we're seeing. >> it sounds like you're skeptical. >> open to ideas. >> all right. that's what we're looking for today. >> not sold yet. >> thank you very much. parts of the indian ocean more than 24,000 feet deep.

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good morning. i'm elisabeth hasselbeck. we're following a fox news alert. brand-new satellite images showing debris far off the coast of western australia. that debris could be part of the missing malaysian airlines jet that vanished into thin air 13 days ago. >> this narrows the search area for 18 ships, 29 aircraft, and six choppers. but so far no sign of that missing plane. now darkness has fallen on that part of the world and the air search is on hold because the weather is also awful there. >> get this, those photos are believed to have been taken sunday. so if it is the plane, where is the plane now? there is no telling how far the currents may have carried that debris as well as the rest of the plane which brings us to our next reporter. >> katy logan is joining us from london with an update from the

front lines of this massive search. what do you have for us? >> reporter: that's right. as you say, it's now dark in the location where the satellite images were taken. that has stopped the search for now. but there is a norwegian ship in the area, we understand. that was diverted at the request of australian authorities. so it could help in the search. the australians say the first search plane that went out didn't spot any wreckage. the same for a u.s. plane which is involved in the search. but that search does continue. there are very difficult conditions. the weather is poor, visibility is bad. it's also difficult for those planes to spend a long time in the area because of fueling issues. and then there is the drift factor. it is very possible that wreckage has drifted from the location where those images were first taken. the australian authorities are keen to emphasize this location could belong to something else. it may not be mh 370. but they are taking this very

seriously. they do believe it is a promising lead. >> the moment that this imagery was discovered to reveal possible object that might indicate a debris field, we have passed the information. quite simply it is credible enough to divert the research to this area on the basis it provides a promising lead to what might be wreckage. >> reporter: so military planes will continue the search. the australian airport based in perth will be deploying its aircraft, as well as u.s. forces and also the new zealand air force will be taking part in this search. but the malaysian transport minister was keen to emphasize that although this information is very critical, they will be continuing to coordinate their search in other areas, in other flight paths that mh 370 may have taken. so this is still very much all open to questions, but if this turns out to be the wreckage of the missing malaysian plane,

then it may be bad news for the relatives of those on board because they would be unlikely to survive a crash in that remote area. >> thank you for giving us the very latest and certainly the families are -- >> they want to think that somehow their loved ones could possibly be alive. >> still hope. right now we are joined again by former f.b.i. assistant director, jim. he headed up the criminal probe after -- in 1986, flight 800 crashed off the coast of long island. in that situation, the debris was 130 feet down. in this particular situation, if that is the location of where the plane went down, it's 100 times deeper. >> it's going to be a lot more difficult. it even took us four days knowing generally where the debris was with sonar to find the debris field. there was three distinct piles of debris half a mile apart,

different parts of the airplane. then, of course, the navy ships could anchor over those positions and send the hard hat divers down, bring up teddy bears and the bodies and all the pieces. it was a gruesome -- it took forever. after that, we had to drench long island sound to find the last 10% of the airplane. >> wow. and you rebuilt the airplane in a hangar in order to do the investigation. you had the whole thing almost intact. is that possible now? >> well, if this is the airplane -- and i don't know the depth of water there -- but if it's down in one of those trenches, 20,000 feet or something, they're never going to get all the pieces of that airplane out of there. they'll have to be satisfied with getting the black boxes and hopefully the black boxes tell them something. the black boxes told us nothing. there was normal conversation, normal data and boom, it was

done, because it was a catastrophic event. there was a huge explosion. >> it's dangerous to say this is something, right? we hear possible, though credible. so how close do you think they are? when you hear this, in your mind, pulling something out of the ocean, body of water, do you think that this could indeed be part of the plane? >> it could be. it makes no sense to me. i'm an investigator. i always look for motive. what is the motive of this whole thing? it just seems kind of mystical of why that would happen. why would someone -- if their motive was to crash the plane, fly it into some city, right? i don't say that with any kind of pleasure. but if you're going to do that, you're going to make a statement. if it's suicide by airplane, you're going to dive into the water. why are you doing all this stuff if it's real? this whole thing is based on a foundation of sand.

from the very beginning, there has only been a couple of facts we really know. then we get all this opinion that bounces all over the place. >> one of the pieces is 80 feet in length, which as it turns out is exactly the same length as some of these giant shipping containers. we understand that 675 shipping containers on average fall off ships every year. >> yeah. one of them had your mercedes in it, i think. >> and that's gone. so don't even look for it. you're right. a lot of these theories become facts and people run with these theories as if they're facts. >> that's understandable. if it is the debris, it's the debris. >> all right. we're still looking for answers. we still don't know. thank you very much. >> thank you. more now on the search because the indian ocean reaches depths of 24,000 feet in some spots. joining us right now is arnold gordon, professor of ocean and climate physics at columbia university. good morning to you, professor.

>> good morning. >> what do you think about -- we've heard from apparently the australian government, these two large objects could be, according to the satellite images taken on sunday, could be parts of malaysia flight 370. >> yeah. that's right. i was looking at those images and they're fairly large objects and maybe they could have fallen off some merchant vessel. the merchant vessel routes are a little bit north of that area. so i think there is some possibility. i think it's certainly worth looking closely at that area, which the australians are doing. >> so far we understand in terms of your climate background, a plane was around there, they weren't able to see anything because of the rain, because of the cloud cover. is it going to be challenging in the southern part of the indian ocean? >> oh, boy, yes. there is a storm system passing through right now. i would say in about a day it will be past that area. they'll have a few days of clear weather. but the challenges are the

waves. it's going to be like ten, 20-foot waves in that area from the southwest. and also the wind will still be strong. the currents in the area, they're right on the edge of a region where -- to the south the currents are moving rapidly from west to east. but as far as i can tell from the image, they're in an area that has rather small currents, but slightly small currents towards the east. so i don't think that's going to be the problem, drift, since the 16th of march, i guess is when the image was taken. i think that might drift something like about 30, 40 miles towards the east. >> not bad. >> i'm looking at the currents in the last five days there and it doesn't look too bad. their challenge is going to be the weather and the waves. >> the average depth we're talking is already going to be one of the most challenging to finds anything, is over

3,000 feet. but we're talking two miles in this particular area down. but there is, as i understand it, a canyon, over 23,000 feet deep? what are the implications of that in terms of finding anything there? >> i'm looking at that now. the images are over the northern plank of the mid ocean ridge and the depths that i see, ocean depths that i see of those images is about 3,000-meters, so something like 10,000 feet. that would be extraordinary challenge to try to recover anything that's at the sea floor. >> sure. professor, just remember it took 75 years after the titanic sunk before bob ballard found it. he used a robot. there were no black boxes, obviously at that time and they couldn't take anything up because it's so far down.

>> that's right. there i suspect if they find the debris -- if that debris turns out to be the wings of the aircraft and i think there is some good possibility that is the case -- you can use some of the ocean models to determine where it landed, where it hit the ocean 'cause we would know about the time, we know the ocean currents fairly well. when a ship would go there with some of the same instruments we use to find the titanic and sent down there. but i think we're talking about many months, if not a year or so before such an expedition could be put together. i do think they'll find it in the same way they found the titanic. >> i want you to listen now maria molina. she's our meteorologist. she has a question for you. >> he's actually my professor at columbia. hi, professor. >> hi. >> thank you so much for coming on at last moment. i wanted to bring something specific up to you, which is a specific trench that's located across the southeastern indian ocean. it's called the diamond peanut

trench and it's about 24,000 feet down. have you been able to locate that in realize to the area we're looking at? >> yeah. i think that's a bit to the north of the area that the images were at. it's close, but not -- the images that i have clearly show -- it's over the northern plank of the mid ocean ridge. i must say there that there is a rough topography. the trench you're talk being is a bit to the north of that. i don't think the aircraft would have went down there based on the ocean current -- where they see the images, i don't think the debris could have drifted from that region. i think it's -- still, it's very rough topography, depths of 10,000 feet. that's difficult enough to find. >> that's under the water and above the water you got really rotten weather today. >> terrible. they come one after another.

i've been looking at the weather patterns there now and there is a storm just about passing over the area now with high wind. but there is another one coming in that will probably be there in about three days. they'll have a window of good weather tomorrow. >> professor, maria doesn't feel comfortable wrapping up 'cause she thinks it will affect her grade. >> this could be your term paper. >> professor, arnold gordon joining us from columbia, thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. thanks for bringing him on. appreciate it. coming up straight ahead, more on our top story that we've been going over. we're going live to the white house with president obama's reaction. are we doing enough to help in this investigation? >> then in other news, how a teen-ager made it past guards and all the way to the top of-sa one world trade center.

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let's take a look at some of the stories making headlines this morning. ukraine raising the white flag in crimea. the country ordering mass troop withdrawals as russia tightens its grip in that region. the u.s. has hit russia with sanctions and now russia threatening to retaliate by changing its stance on iran. moscow's envoy warning russia might stop cooperating in nuclear talks. a new jersey teen-ager sneaks to the top of the world trade center. 16-year-old justin crawled through a hole in a fence, got a lift to the 88th floor from clur operator, then tiptoed past the sleeping security guard on the 104th floor. after two hours on top of the building, the young dare devil was finally caught by a construction worker as he made his way back down. that security guard that was caught snoozing was fired and the teen-ager now facing a charge of misdemeanor trespassing.

the white house in full sell mode to sign up for obamacare. ads promoting the affordable care act will start airing during the ncaa tournament games starting today. president obama is taping an appearance on the ellen degeneres show today to get people to sign up. back to you. >> thank you very much. speak of the commander in chief, the president is weighing in on the plane mystery today. wendell goler has more on that. >> reporter: the president is being briefed regularly on the search, at least once a day. there is a substantial amount of u.s. involvement in this effort. the f.b.i., faa, national transportation safety board all involved. the 7th fleet has offered a couple of long-range planes to go out and look at the new debris the satellite picked up and another u.s. search plane said to be looking in the bay of bengal near india. the australian search involves the poseidon, a top of the line plane that not only has a

long-range, it's able to search for things that are actually under water. president obama talked a bit about the search in an interview with fox affiliate k dfw yesterday. >> we have put every resource that we have available at the disposal of the search process. there has been close cooperation with the malaysian government and so not just ntsb, but f.b.i., anybody who typically deals with anything related to our aviation system is available. >> reporter: white house spokesman jay carney says the malaysians are leading the search effort, but suggesting they're working better with agencies from other countries than they were when the plane disappeared a week and a half ago. back to you. >> all right, wendell goler, thank you. could the passengers on the missing jet still be alive? if it did crash, did it crash into the ocean? why our next guest says yes.

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breaking overnight. debris spotted in satellite photos over the indian ocean. now a massive search is underway. multiple nations involved. could it be flight 370? if so, what brought it down? joining us is d.j. frost. i understand that you think fundamentally, you think this plane ran out of fuel? >> yes, brian. this is a theory i've been proposing pretty much since the beginning that this started that either it was commandeered and they ran out of fuel, thinking they had enough fuel to get somewhere, thinking the plane had full fuel tanks, which is false, or if it was not just fumes a fire which might explain

the communications shutting down at certain points within the time line. maybe everybody then was overcome by the fumes and the smoke and it blew out like a ghost ship and ditched. >> possibly. they estimate in trying to figure out where the debris and plane could be, investigators said, four hours of fuel are left. last spotted off the malaysian northwest coast. how far can it float? how far can it glide without fuel? that's what got them where we are right now. do you have a problem with that theory of investigation? >> no. absolutely not. if they were 38,000 feet, of course, then they'd have to do the math on how far they went with the engines running with fuel and then the glide ratio, how far it went when they glided. of course, usually you want to glide at your best liftover drag and at a certain speed.

but who knows if nobody was at the controls then, it might have just dropped down like it did with the greek airliner that everybody had lack of oxygen and crashed. >> we watched sully sullenberg drop the plane in the hudson. with 20-foot waves out there in the indian ocean, is it possible that plane, without fuel, was able to glide and people could have survived if we jump to the conclusion that the debris is the plane? >> well, if there is debris, then that would have been quite a challenging feat in doing that in high seas. that's why we're giving so much credit to sully. he did it on a very calm day. back to ethiopian airlines, there was a struggle at the last minute. but once the airplane starts to ditch and the water grabs those engines, then anything can happen at that point.

could they survive? i'm not an expert in estimating that. i couldn't really say. >> we know the cushions are supposed to float and we know around those two big pieces, they call it a debris field. that would lead one to believe this may indeed be the plane. >> oh, sure. yeah. i'm sure they're going to follow the currents and look in designated areas. it's been a long time and however, they could find something. i'm praying that they do find something. i really feel for the families that they do need some closure. hopefully some answers will be forth coming immediately. >> all right. it would help if we got the other side of that dialogue and found out who knew where the plane was and when. it takes a lot of nations cooperating. thanks so much. >> you're welcome. any time. >> as you know, news has been breaking throughout the 2 1/2 hours. stay with us. we'll give you the latest and get the analysis. meanwhile, straight ahead, speaking of those families, the girlfriend of one of the american passengers is just speaking out now. what she's heard from investigators about the debris.

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ship reached that remeet area where the objects we were told would be. but so far planes have been unable to locate anything. you have rain. you have clouds. it's very difficult. we understand maybe as high as 20-foot waves. now it's night and the air search is on hold. malaysian officials say this is the best lead yet, but they warn don't jump to conclusions. >> every effort is being made to locate the object sitting in the satellite imagery. i must stress these sights, while credible, are still to be confirmed. >> the area they are looking at right now has an average depth of 12,000 feet. that's over two miles deep. officials say the object they have spotted on surveillance satellite appear to be fairly large. the biggest is about 80 feet long. the other is about 15 feet. it could be a third of the length or width, if you include the wing span of the airplane which is close to 200 feet.

>> that's right. we've also learned that those satellite images are believed to have been taken on sunday now raising questions about why it took four days for authorities to act on the find. >> that's my original thought. if this is the plane, how can we recover the debris? the black box and the flight data recorder quickly? >> especially if it's two miles down. joining us is aviation safety expert and former aircraft accident investigator for the u.s. navy and marine corps, matt robinson. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> if that is part of the plane that the australians have located on that sunday satellite, what's next? >> okay. well, going back to what was said there, how do we recover it quickly, you don't. this is a very time-involved process. it's going to take many weeks if not months to get the evidence that's needed to do a comprehensive investigation of this. so let's take it step by step. the first step is confirming that this is in fact debris.

great. at that point you want to deploy sight scan sonar in order to try and ascertain the location of that acoustic underwater beacon. then you need to retrieve all the evidence on the floor of the ocean. that takes a long time. you need to keep in mind that it's very dark down there. the visibility is zero. and additionally, this has to be done by robot. that takes a long time. >> what are the limitations of that robot and then considering the weather, we hear another storm is coming in about three days and they have this window to maximize as it relates to the u.s. deciding to get back and doing the search. >> limitation, first of all, on the remotely operated vehicle, it's like looking through a toilet paper tube for things in zero visibility. there is a small light that you can utilize to search the bottom of the ocean. you develop a sector and you

search every sector. now with the sea state that presents an additional challenge to these operators in that the umbilical connected to the remotely operated vehicle, it goes up and down. it needs to have a fairly stable sea state so that's going to play into it as well and probably cause some delays. >> commercial satellites, i understand, are also being marshalled into that region. if you were doing the investigation, how much would that play a role? >> it takes a while to position these satellites. it takes even long tore get the imagery from them. >> is that why it took four days? it's not unusual for us to be looking at satellite images on the 20th that were done on the 16th? >> that's correct. they need to be positioned appropriately and then the imagery needs to be downloaded. they need to search volumes of documents or data in order to get that imagery. so it is going to take a while,

yes. >> the other thing is if that is part of the airplane, matthew, why is it exactly 180 degrees in the opposite direction of where the plane took off for? >> i'm not going to develop any theories on that. >> but that's the big question. >> it is. it's a great question and that's going to be answered by the evidence at this point. >> does it make sense to you that it would be there or does it not make any sense that it would be there? >> i'm not going to develop any theories at this point without any type of substantial evidence. it doesn't make sense at this point, but let's see what happens. let's see if this is actually the wreckage. >> all right. we appreciate both your hits today as we get more intelligence, we'd like to share them with you and see where you go from here 'cause you do the investigations. thanks, matt. earlier this hour we talked more about the weather and the waves and the drifting in the indian ocean with professor arnold gordon of climate and ocean physics at columbia

university. take a listen to this. >> there's a storm system passing through right now, i would say in about a day it will be past that area. they'll have a few days of clear weather. but the challenges are the waves. it's going to be like ten, 20-foot waves in that area from the southwest and also the wind will still be strong. >> the professor knows a lot about the weather and the waves as well. and he's good at his job. he's actually the professor of maria molina. you're one of his students and as soon as you heard the story, you said, we got to call him up. >> absolutely. he's a great expert regarding climate around the entire world and across the southern indian ocean, another issue out here is how remote this area is. i was trying to find any buoy data across this region and there is none. a lot more data across some of the other oceans. also out here we have a very deep ocean. so more than two miles on

average is the depth of the indian ocean. we also pulled autopsy computer model. you can take a look at it right now. we do have one storm system moving away from the debris area or the area of interest. then over the next couple of days, there will be a break between the storm systems before the next system arrives come on sunday, and then another one forecast to move through. so conditions very rough out here. we do expect poor visibility, very rough seas and stormy weather. temperature wise, the ocean right now, we're look temperatures out here being in the upper 40s, possibly even the 50s. so very cool. so on average, the indian ocean is a relatively warm ocean, but we're so far south that temperatures out here are much cooler. the ocean current across the indian ocean is generally flowing in a counter clockwise flow, but in this particular area, it's flowing generally from the southwest towards the northeast. so that would push any debris towards the northeastern direction from where this plane could have potentially impacted the ocean. so a lot of ifs out here. of course, the topography from

the ocean floor is very tough. so we'll keep an eye on this as it continues to develop. head over to you. >> thank you very much. >> thanks for keeping an eye on that. the family of the 239 passengers on board the flight are desperate for answers, of course. one, the girlfriend of an american on that flight, speaking out just moments ago. >> a friend called me with the information and i don't think i've stopped shaking since. we just finally settled in to a normal routine of waiting, unhappy waiting, but at least we were going back to normal sleeping cycles and getting in and i've continued to teach at work. now this just throws it all up in the air again. >> even though we don't have any answers, we are still looking to find them. steve centanni is live in work work with more. hey, steve. >> reporter: yeah. heart wrenching for those families. this news from australia is a

double-edged sword. it might give the families some answers, some hope of closure. but it could also mean their loved ones are probably lost at sea. family members gathered to hear the latest news about the debris found off the west coast of australia. this is in beijing. they were given some phone numbers for officials they could contact for updates. but one number didn't work. one man urged the others to stand up and protest, telling government officials shame on you. we don't trust you anymore. a loft frustration there. mean while, at a kuala lumpur news conference today, malaysian officials acknowledged this intense family frustration. >> for the families around the world, the one piece of information that we want most, that they want most is the information we just don't have; the location of mh 370.

we must never, never give up hope. >> reporter: in texas, the family of philip wood is also watching and waiting. the 50-year-old ibm employee, the father of two college-age boys, is among those missing aboard that plane. a facebook page called finding philip wood, posted this message today in reaction to the latest news. it said, please keep all the passengers and loved ones of mh 370 in your positive thoughts and prayers as the latest news report unfolds. and so the emotional roller coaster continues for all the families of those missing. back to you. >> it does indeed. thank you, steven. >> as much as might be a relief to dependent the debris, i go back to the australian defense minister said it's a complex situation, one of the most isolated parts of the world. in fact, it probably doesn't get -- if i could be so bold, more isolated than where this plane debris is believed to be. >> our thoughts and prayers do go to the families, that they can sustain such uncertainties through this storm. >> as we move ahead, senator

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jurisdictions for unfair voting practices. the kentucky state senate passing a bill allowing senator rand paul to run for two federal offices at the same time. the senate and the white house. he says he's considering a run for president, but will also run to keep his senate seat in 2016. and a very scary moment in the middle of a baseball game, a line drive smash off the bat of a royals player send has cincinnati reds pitcher to the hospital. chapman was carted off the field with fractures above his left eye, as well as his nose. after he left the field, the two managers decided not to continue that game. over to you. >> thank you. breaking news overnight, new satellite images from the australian government could reveal the crash site or parts of the missing malaysian flight 370 that vanished march 8. the search now in its 13th day is taking place in a very remote area of the indian ocean. so what took so long to get us

there? >> great question. march 11, a british satellite company handed over location data to a partner company and on march 12, that info was turned over to malaysian officials. on march 13, an official arrived in kuala lumpur and then malaysia released that information to the public. >> malaysian officials have known for days the plane was not in the area they were searching. they didn't tell us for four days. here with a closer look at the time line, former advisor to the u.k. department of defense, michael kay. that's outrageous, isn't it? four days we have 20 nations going in the wrong area. >> well, it is. four days is a long time for the family and friends. i would add a bit of caution. we are speaking with the benefit of hindsight. but what we do know is there are some serious inconsistencies with the information that we've been getting. for example, the radar traces that were supposedly identified by thailand radar, how they don't match up with what malaysia has been accepting are

radar traces. malaysia says they saw radar traces by the malaaca strait. i think there are a lot of inconsistencyies. some would be looking at more evidence to corroborate what we're currently seeing as potential debris within the search area of the southwestern tip of australia. what i would be doing now is i'd be really shaking the indonesians, shaking the malaysians and saying, right. let's get in a room. give me with a you've got. give me the radar traces over the last -- from seven hours from when the aircraft was last known. we know it went into the south china sea. we know the transponder was turned off around the midpoint. >> is radar 100% reliable here? can it be wrong? >> it's a great question. the radar traces that we would be looking at would be primary radar traces. you've got two types. primary and secondary. the secondary surveillance radar

would pick up the transponder if it was turned off. it gives you four things, position, altitude, the speed and also gives you the traffic collision avoidance system. that's what other jets in the airway corridor use to track aircraft in front of them for collision avoidance. the transponder gives you four things. that was turned off. so you can only rely on primary radar. so we would be going to the indonesians. if you take track trace from where it was last notified into the area we're looking at, it will have had to cross somewhere very near to singapore, which has one of the most sophisticated systems in the world and had to have pass close to jakarta. i would be going to the indonesians and singaporeans and saying, hey, if this is the potential debris, then it would have had to go along this line. have you got anything? she -- show me the radar. >> where is the spirit of cooperation? aren't they curious about the plane, too? >> yeah. i think it's disappointing. we don't know all of the

information. i do have firsthand experience. i was a first responder to the tsunami in sinatra and the coordination there were very difficult. they're a very proud nation and what they don't want is the west coming in and meddling before they've had a chance to deal with the situation themselves. it's a pride thing. but i think we're well beyond that thing now. they should be pulling all resources and i think we're getting there. if we take it into the context of air france 447, that took two years. two years and ended up being a mechanical failure without the pilots knowing about it. so we've got to leave all the cards on the table. >> right. because at this point, we don't even know if part of the plane is there. >> thanks. 11 minutes before the top of the hour. coming up next, more on our top story, the clock is ticking to find those black boxes. how much longer do search crews have? how long will they ping, ping, ping? we're going to talk about the crash investigator coming up next. >> but first, let's check in with bill hemmer for what's

coming up at the top of his hour. i know what your lead story is n you got it. i've been watching you all morning. great coverage. we'll see whether or not this is the evidence they're looking for. continuing coverage on flight 370. maybe it's a critical piece. maybe not. we'll ask our experts about what they know to try and glean more for you at home. keep an eye on russia and ukraine, too. the president taking any military action off the table entirely. colonel ralph peters analyzes that. it will be a busy morning. we'll get started in ten minutes here on "america's newsroom" is this the bacon and cheese diet? this is the creamy chicken corn chowder. i mean, look at it. so indulgent. did i tell you i am on the... [ both ] chicken pot pie diet! me too! [ male announcer ] so indulgent, you'll never believe they're light. 100-calorie progresso light soups.

new fox ace let. brand-new photos right now released overnight showing possible debris from the missing malaysian flight. in a remote area of the indian ocean. retired u.s. air force lieutenant ken christianson has

flown search and rescue missions before and he joins us all right. first off, if this is the debris and the black box is in the vicinity, can we get it in an ocean this deep? >> good morning, brian. yes, absolutely. we can get it, but it's going to take some time and i'm not quite sure just how deep the ocean is there. are you familiar with that? >> over 10,000 feet deep. >> okay. yes. 10,000 feet we can do. >> what is the limit? as we heard from maria molina's professor earlier, some spots are double that in that region. there is a trench. >> yeah. the trench will be more problematic, but there are robotic submersibles that the navy and i'm sure other navies have that capability. the u.s. navy does and they can submerse that and extract, cut through the airplane with robotics and extract that, much like they did to get the cockpit

voice recorder and the flight data recorder from the airbus, air fans. >> so all things being calm, it's difficult to find anything if we understand it. with the weather as it is right now, currents, wind, and a form approaching as we heard in three days, discuss the difficulty there and what limitations search crew will have. >> high sea state, when you're putting something into the water can always be problematic. i think the issue to focus with on right now is there can still possibly be survivors. if there were life rafts on the aircraft, until the area is quickly searched to confirm that there are or are not survivors, then the search and rescue phase will stop and it will be a recovery phase. in the recovery phase the

cockpit voice recorder and the flight data recorder, they're going to be fine, even though they're in the ocean, they'll be fine. it's a race to get to the underwater locator beacon because you only have about 19 days of battery life. that goes for 30 days and it will emit a ticking noise. with an acoustical sensor you can find that. then you have a location and you can take your time in getting them out correctly. >> who tray age lates where go? does a ship do what the satellite images tell or things done on the ship while on the surface? >> it's more of a crawl, walk, run phase. the satellite imagery is what you see and then you have the debris field. then what you want to do is look at the currents and everything and you would go okay. we've been here x number of days, ten days. so if the water drifted this debris here, then you back that up ten days and you know where

the area of impact was and then that's where you're going to start your search, you're going to drag the sensor there because that's most probably the location of the underwater locater beacon, which is attached to the flight data recorder and voice recorder. >> that's what they're look for right now, if it's indeed part of the airplane. ken christianson, we thank you very much for joining us today from san francisco. >> my pleasure. >> all right. >> more "fox & friends" moments away ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ told ya you could do it.

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all right. we're done for right now. we are waiting another press conference coming up. we told you about an hour ago a norwegian car carrier ship with a bunch of cars on it is actually in that region where they're looking for potential objects from that flight. we're going to find out very shortly what the folks on the ship have seen so far. >> all that coming up in a 9:00 a.m. hour. so stay with fox. >> right. all the breaking news, whatever

this debris turns out to be, we'll be there. we'll be back tomorrow morning. >> in the meantime, america's news room starts now. bill: we are going to 10 on breaking news for the flight for flight 370. officials say it could be the best lead so far, but is it the plane? satellite spotting two objects. one of them 80 feet in length the other 50 feet long. ships are in the indian ocean well off the coast of perth, au