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>> you can see how news of the information this discovery was difficult for families to hear. they have waited nearly two weeks for any news of loved ones for now all they can do is wait and hope their worst fierces are not realized. what are the ships up against searching for what may be the remnants of the plane? mike, good to see you they have say this could not be more remote, conditions could be very dire out there and that these seas are incredibly rough to get there to navigate. >> conditions couldn't be worse. i was following this in early hours of the morning when the prime minister was breaking the

news. i thought the information was premature p the information there is just enough information there from satellite imagery to initiate or force a search in the area but there wasn't enough information to be conclusive search. iet led people to say he must know more that he's revealing because awes sdwranls are likely working with the united states. why would they send their prime minister out there? >> i'm not sure he did know more. you know? i think the whole world is speculating about this at the moment what i would say is that the area this is in, it's 600 miles off the southwestern tip of australia almost on the arctic circle it's an incredibly difficult place to search. take five hours for orion traveling at four miles per minute. it will take five hours to get

out to the search operation area. and five hours back. not only is that not a lot of time but fatiguing on the crew, apalling weather conditions i've been on search and rescue operations when the weather comes in and rain starts and drizzle starts. visibility sucks right in. you can't see more than five, sometimes 0 kilo meters in front of you. these guys going to be glued to the ocean, fly agent low levels lots of turbulence around. >> how close will they get to that ocean? >> depends on the judgment of the pilot and co-pilot if you like. they can come down to 200 to 100 feet over the sea. >> how can they see? with the bare eye? to try to identify that is a piece of a plane? versus a piece of a cargo ship

or other debris? >> these things are used to, for maritime surveillance to spot anything untoward, opposition navys or to hunt submarines as well. you're right. they use mark one eye ball, looking out of the window the louder they fly, that reduces search area. higher gives them more of an idea the worst weather it's going to taking onner to search that 100,000 square kilo meters >> they say the ocean just collects garbage. so it just swirls and swirls and australians seem to be cautioning people jumping to conclusions by seeing australian prime minister out there saying we may have found something that they, we shouldn't go there because they had this happen before and it turned out to be nothing. is this area known for debris? is there a danger to sailors to

check it out? >> i think there is lots of debris in the ocean. it was a difficult judgment by the australian prime minister whether to mention or keep it or the of under the quiet until it sent aircraft out there to the evidence. for me, you know, the aircraft come back from a nine-hours sourcing the reports is that one area where they're looking at there was a freighter there. others are dolphins so what it goes to show you is that this could be a container off the side of a ship, a pod of dolphins a freighter or something else. >> satellite was not positioned in the right way to see this particular area the best. >> brat -- great to see you. >> you, too.

>> our chief meet rolling wrist has more on the stretch of water they call roaring 40s >> yes winds often around 40 miles per hour. satellite images, it takes a single swipe of a picture of information and then, adds another satellite with another swipe around like vacuuming to get a clean stripe. you have to piece those together. it's doifl get imagery in the place you're not looking at it. wernl-wise, weather was horrible yesterday but now we've got high pressure right here. you see clearing there. that is indictive of clear skies right there. this is where that debris was you notice we stay clear throughout the day tomorrow, another 48 hours by the time we get to sunday morning that these east coast time. so clouds and rain moving back into the spot.

and will get more difficult to get into it. they're going to get two days the next chance of having that happen. >> thank you. >> you bet. >> if the search pans out, then they have to find the rest of the plane. that process took two years for the air france crash off the coast of south america. the ceo of pologic resource services. your thoughts on how they can go about searching this stretch of ocean, you can see the terrain, the ocean terrain there may be relatively flat but it's also very, very deep and very, very rough. >> it's going to be a challenge for sure the fact that you, we need to find a debris trail, then, once confirmed from the aircraft idea would then be to look at prevailing weather conditions over last couple weeks since aircraft was lost, and the ocean

conditions at the time. and basically, follow the trail back up to a pe ten shall impact zone. from there, gets challenging. you need to bring in ship-based assets to use something called multi-i beam sonar. it's a fan of energy, sound, to look at the ocean floor. look for anomalies. >> you have actually led deep sea expedition. and last guest is saying this could be anything. a lot of people don't think this is this plane. they think an 80 foot piece of something in the ocean is not likely to be an aircraft two weeks after the fact and a lot of folks have said that that is too big to be a cargo but others said that is exactly what a cargo container would look like. your thoughts?

>> when you're from a satellite your resolution is limited you're doing your best guess. it's something of interest. that is why we have to go to the next step. getting a floating debris to help confirm, then looking on the sea floor. if there, if the wreckage is found on the sea floor, through the ship base sensor, then, you go to finer resolution. you might use something called auto nomous vehicle with higher resolution. >> let me ask you this. i asked someone, saying if this is the plane it could not have gone down in a worse location in terms of searching, finding the debris. do you agree with that? >> this southern ocean is a very rough body of water. working on the ocean, in the ocean and deep with what you'll have to do here, it's challenging the environment is -- the

pressure is extreme. temperatures down there are cold. there is no light. it's a foreign world to us it requires sophisticated assets to explore further. >> ed, thank you. if this plane is in the ocean elts have to the gone off they have not found the beacon and this is where it is. and this a plane would have been equipped with multiple elds just one of many questions still out there. the meantime a british satellite company now says that it gave critical data to malaysians after the plane disappeared. it took them a week to redirect the search from the east coast. the 'd of the company gives his first tv interview right here with me tonight. wait until you hear this. plus, fbi shares new details on what's happening with the flight simulator used by the captain of

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continue to take a strong blp hd with this plane. republican senator saxby chambliss is here tonight. good of you to be here, your thoughts on the progress of the data that we have been told was deleted from the flight simulator. >> well, i actually spoke with them this afternoon. and what i can tell you, megyn, they not only have the simulator box but they also have some other assets that they are reviewing in great detail. they are very focused on this. they refer to it as being laser focused, and they will not stop. it will be 24/7 until they do all the forensics on the assets they have including the information they have from the simulator. obviously, they want to see what was deleted and they're going to be able to do that, we think. and there are a number of other assets that they're also looking at. they're going to share that with

the malaysians as soon as they have it. >> do we believe the fbi at this point will be able to retrieve the deleted files? >> well, that is an unknown right now, just like so many other things relative to this airplane, megyn. but you know, nobody has the capabilities that the united states has when it comes to do something like that. and as i say, they're not going to sleep until they complete this process. >> based on -- >> i'm confident that they're going to be able to. >> based on your conversations in the intelligence field. and obviously you're talking to people who are actually in the know, do you believe at this point that we can rule out hijacking or other nefarious conduct on board? >> no, absolutely not. i will say that there doesn't appear to be anything that points to either an act of terrorism or hijacking of some sort. but you just simply can't rule that out at this p

>> there is nothing that points to terrorism you can't rule that out at this point. >> let me speculate on a point just said we know the transponder was shut off. how do we know that? >> well, those that have

examined it and particularly folks from boeing who made the airplane, from what they have been told, there is no way that catastrophic event turn that had transponder off. someone had to turn it off. >> if that is true that is a significant development in the case, if someone turned that off to try to go dark open the airplane that, raises a possibility of hijacking, either by pilot or a passenger. to a considerable level. >> i don't think there is a question about that. that is why the crew and passengers nobody has a case to review the background of the pilots to prove as well as

passengers like we do. nothing has been turned up in this point of time. but nothing really jumped out at them which is really interesting and surprising. >> and yet we have no airplanes sort of hijacking you have to ask towards what end? some people speculated the jet landed. if that is something the agencies are considering or looking into? >> it's unlikely. that they would have been able to land that plane and nobody would have heard anything at this point in time

i haven't been given concrete information but it looks clear that that plane is in the water somewhere. >> when you see the uss kidd go over there and searching, to wind up with the conclusion you do believe it's in the ocean are there alternatives being considered? we don't find debris washing up on some shore. it's probably not in the ocean they say debris always washes up >> you've shown pictures of the area where it may have been seen. it's rough in there. if there is a airplane you hope some debris would surface.

at this point in time we don't have concrete idea on whether we're looking in the right place. the plane took off headed towards beijing, it took a southwest route consistent with where this debris was spotted. so that is encouraging but one more situation that has to be checked out. it's going to be so difficult to find though equivalent we got are magnificent. so if it's there, i think we'll

find it. >> a british satellite company says it has data and their first american tv interview coming up. and what families are saying on the mallash wrin government taking days to act on important information when we come back. bhap ♪

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breaking tonight an emotional day for >> many get angry if they get information from the news before

they get it from authorities. some of the families are praying that the debris is not from flight 370 because it means then they'd still have hope like this father. watch him. >> and then you have others who just want to know and believe the malaysian government is withholding information or giving them bad information, one family member finally reached her breaking point in a malaysia air news conference. take a look at this. >> just heart wrenching. malaysian authorities acknowledge they're not man wrathing family emotions well and say yes, they need help.

>> i see that. i say that to the world we do care for them. we can understand what they're going through, try to understand what they're going through but this is something we could have advice to. >> saying the government should have relied on the united states sooner and maybe could have avoided some of this agonizing wait. >> trace, thank you. >> breaking tonight a british satellite company says it predicted the location ten daysing ayes but mallash wra didn't take actions for days next, i'll speak with the senior vice president of the group that tracked the plane. the first, and only group to have done it. it's their first american television interview. you'll see it only here, next. it is their first american tv interview and you will see

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or . well, breaking tonight, a british satellite communications company is proving to be a key asset in the search for the missing malaysian plane. they are the only company in information with the missing plane after air traffic control lost sight of the aircraft. it is also the group that determined flight 370 went west, not northeast on the night it disappeared. the company is now a technical adviser to the investigation. and joining me now in the company's first american television interview, the senior vice president, chris mclaughlin. chris, great to see you, thank you so much for being here. let me start with what you can. i realize it is limited. but what you can tell us about this particular aircraft. were you the ones that

determined that it was up to seven hours after air traffic control lost contact with this airplane that it continued to fly? that it was continuing to ping? >> yes, we were. we looked at the data that we had on our network and we found that signals had continued to be received for a number of hours after they had lost contact with the radar and with the acars management system. >> how sure were you and are you right now that it was this airplane? >> just like a cell phone, each piece of equipment has its own sim card and its own registration number. we were absolutely certain we were seeing the readings from this particular aircraft. >> so you have a satellite company, i understand you have about ten satellites in orbit, some 22,000 miles above the equator. and you provide a service to various aircraft that will monitor communications systems on board the aircraft with your satellites.

one of those systems is the so-called acars system that we've heard a lot about in this investigation that allows the system to communicate with ground control. that was shut down on this aircraft. but you have managed -- your satellites managed to continue to communicate with the airplane anyway, how? >> okay, in very simple terms just like a cellular phone system if you imagine the satellite network, whoever you choose, the box on the plane, the classic arrow product from inmarsat, is the project, and then there are various apps that may include different text messaging of different sorts that go through that box. now, when the acars and the transponders were switched off, it rendered them useless. but the hand set, just like your phone, stayed on and stayed polled on average an hour just

to see if it wanted service or not. >> in your view if this airplane had been compromised by something like that smoke or fire would it have been possible for a couple of apps to go down as opposed to the entire inmarsat box? >> look, i don't think i'm qualified to say what happened on the plane, but for the inmarsat to determine if it was powered, you draw your own conclusion to determine of it would run for many hours. >> if the plane continued to fly westward and ping, would a pilot understand it? because one of the theories is somebody may have hijacked the plane, turned off the acars systems, the transponder, do you believe that the pilot would have understood that the inmarsat box would continue to communicate, even after the transponder was shut down?

>> i can't testify to what they would understand. but the pilot i flew with understood how it could turn off a transponder, but they didn't understand the other. >> it requires some effort from the sound of it. >> i don't mean to be blocking. >> no, i understand. so when you hear this plane goes down or goes missing, it was saturday, march 8th, malaysia time, friday march 7th, u.s. time. and you start to check your signals and your data immediately, you notice the pinging going on, you you ultimately determine it is this flight, that this flight flew on for many hours after it disappeared. now, i want to go through the time line with you because there is a question about whether the malaysian authorities lost days and wasted resources in searching on the eastern coast of malaysia when they knew or had reason to know the flight had gone westward and could not be there.

you communicate, and inmarsat showed the data showing that it continued to fly west. it was tuesday, march 11th, then wednesday, march 12th it was relayed to the malaysian and british authorities. can you confirm that? >> i think there is no smoking gun here. what we did were two things, first of all on the saturday when the plane went missing we were asked if we had any data related to the flight. and within three to four hours we had handed over the basic flight data information to the supplier of the avionics on the plane. it was only on friday -- because remember everybody thought it would be found in the seas off the indian ocean. but our organization thought was there anything we could do to help? and on sunday or monday, they used the idea, well, maybe we could use the satellite signals. let's have a look. they looked on the website and found the pings as you call them. and they realized the plane went

on for a number of hours and then set off the basic sum can we work out which way it went? and then by tuesday they drew up a suggested arc to the south and north, if you like, to where they would want to look. it is not the case of where we really set up an idea and said, it's here. >> and by wednesday, march 12th, we understand the malaysian authorities had it. can you confirm that? >> i can confirm that on the tuesday we supplied it to the investigation. >> and then that thursday, the uss kidd deployed to the indian ocean, that friday, the uss poseidon aircraft deployed to the indian ocean. and it was not until march 15th that they redirected the search to the western coast of malaysia, do you believe that malaysia acted fast enough? >> i can't say whether they acted fast enough. in all of these crisis situations you have to run out all the information you

>> if the plane had crashed there would have been no further power, and there certainly was no further power to give an 8th ping. >> what conclusions do you draw from the fact that the pings stopped from seven hours after

the plane lost communication with air traffic control? >> well, like you, and this is a very sad thing for all the families that are involved in this and we shouldn't forget them. like you, you have to draw the conclusion that the plane had a certain amount of fuel on it which i believe from the media was about seven and a half hours. you have to draw the conclusion it ran out of fuel. but beyond that, i can't draw a fair conclusion. >> chris, thank you so much. >> thank you . so the pings only go if the engines of the plane are on. and so if this plane had been hijacked and was sitting some place, no longer pinging, which means at a minimum we know it is not turned on. i mean, that is something that we learned directly from the inmarsat executive, you heard right there. one way or the other this plane's engines appear to have been shut down, and the question of course remains how did that happen? if you were just joining us or

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inmarsat. want to bring in our panel. gentlemen, welcome to you all your thoughts on that statement? >> well, i know when i heard it minutes ago i thought it's surprising because it's really

unless there is a significant system preventing an accidental shut down somehow, i can't imagine them not being a circuit breaker or something else to makes it easy to turn power off. if you turn power off it's the same thing as turning the switch. >> he may be right in a technical matter and hold on, stand by we have the sound byte. >> we know someone turned that transponder off. >> how do we know that? others saying perhaps there was a catastrophic event that led to the shut down. >> well, those that have examined it and particularly the folks perfect boeing who made the airplane, from what they have been told, there is no way that a catastrophic event turned that transponder off.

someone had to manually turn it off. >> then i asked whether that raises the likelihood this is a hijacking or a terrorist attack. he says there is no question about it. your thoughts? >> i certainly would agree with that. we need to recognize that we still have a very sows fis ti indicated piece of equipment, the pilot. and the pilot in command real gleedz to have all of the control possible over the equipment on board including the transponder. and so i think it's, it makes sense the transponder could malfunction we'd want the pilot to be able to communicate what is going on, his whereabouts and be able to take evasive action. >> this is the transponder highlighted on this. let me ask you this. is it possible i heard some

pilots argue a pilot needs to have the ability to turn off the transponder they don't like to have it on. so could it be as some have been arguing there was an event right after the sign off to air traffic control. they started shut down systems to be cautious they decided to turn so they can get to the nearest airport. perhaps it went off for safety? >> the transponder would be on during flight alt has option to be shut off for a hard landing. but the transponder is generally on throughout the flight so while that airplane is flying transponder should be on at all times oochl does this make this case more sus spishus to you, kyle? if what they're telling us, what boeing is telling our intel xee

here in the united states is that they believe this was shut down what does that say to you? >> it says to me it was a deliberate act by a perpetrator or crew member. there is no question that transponder should not have been shut off. should have remained on. it was a deliberate act, possibly by a perpetrator or a crew member. >> it went off two minutes after all right, good night. that is one argument on the side of hijacking or something nefarious. what are odds it happened to take place two minutes after signing off from air traffic control and into vietnam's air space? >> this make it look premeditated. someone with a high degree of knowledge of the reason of how

the ground radars work in various countries where blank spots are. where you might be able to take it to a destination, unknown this, falls into the category of beginning to confirm there is some sort of a conspiracy that led to a cockpit breech. >> rob, on the other hand if it is possible for the pilot to turn off the transponder, and boeing coming out and saying... he had to do it. it had to be by the pilot you might expect that, maybe it's the lawyer in me. these things wind up in litigation between manufacturer and aircraft and airline. one blames, they go like this. do we have to take these things with a grain of salt. >> well, you know, i think what

we started is starting to see over the last week alone we've seen people line up on hijacking side or mechanical failure side suicide theme is pretty much disappeared. and i think most people get that concept in their mind that this is a hijacking. i believe sometimes, you know you have you start to make sure every fact lines up with what you believe i'm not trying to cast dispersians to anyone tonight. >> quickly i think that i'm still leaning towards the fact someone got into the cockpit. that is where i'm at. >> thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> alarming reports tonight that

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aeronautical, aeronauti and breaking tonight, a u.s. defense official saying russian forces are on a quote hair trigger, on the ukrainian border. and now, president obama putting sanctuaries against putin, warning them not to take anymore moves. >> is to move as we said to impose additional costs on russia, at the same time, the world is watching with grave concern as russia has positioned its military in a word that could lead to further issues with southern and eastern ukraine. >> in the meantime, russian

forces have not moved. a reported 20,000 troops remain posted on the ukrainian border. richard grinell, a fox news contributor, rick, unbelievable, so we have imposed sanctions on another 11 russians. and now they have imposed sanctions on nine americans. so harry reid and john boehner can't go to russia and some of their officials can't come here. meanwhile, god knows what is happening in the ukraine. >> yes, let's remember that president putin's aggression was a military response. and so far we've just done an economic response. i think it is really important to send a message to the ukrainians and the ukrainian government to be prepared that we would supply weapons. that is an appropriate response. when we're left to do sanctions, especially unilateral sanctions what the white house is not getting is that the only way that sanctions, especially banking ones can work is if

they're uniform and global. and right now they're not. so they're easily going to be kind of pushed aside by the russians. >> rather than saying that we are going to send weapons, never mind, you know, anything beyond weapons the president came out today, or yesterday and explicitly said we're not going to get into a military excursion in ukraine, we'll mobilize the diplomat sources. did he say too much in that message? >> well, i think he just said absolutely the wrong message. diplomacy 101 is to have a credible threat when you have a sort of negotiation. first of all we need diplomacy with muscle, but we also have to have a very real credible threat of u.s. military action. you know, the president has bought this idea and pushed forward the idea with the american people that international crises either mean that we have a war attitude or an ignore attitude. and i don't subscribe to that. i think there is a lot we can do

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